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FinnCole
05/10/2017, 01:04 PM
Ok so i have a 22 gallon tank and I will be getting a 137 gallon tank soon (we have some family issues going on right now so we can't get it right now) anyway there is a LFS near my grandparents that sells dogface puffer that are really tiny like 1 inch long was the smallest one I saw anyway I really want one so would one work temporarily in 22 gallon

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Mr. Eel
05/10/2017, 03:00 PM
Ill Bet you would be fine if it is really that small. I once saw a dogface that was about 4'' in a 40ish gallon tank at the LFS and it looked fine. Just keep it fed well so it doesnt consider any other fish or especially crustaceans food.

nereefpat
05/10/2017, 03:40 PM
I would just pick a different fish. A dogface puffer gets over a foot long, and the 137 probably won't be big enough either.

marleesan
05/10/2017, 04:16 PM
A dogface belongs in neither tank. Once you get the bigger tank you can get a dwarf puffer.

FinnCole
05/10/2017, 04:22 PM
I have seen tons of people keep dogface in 125 gallons fine the opinion on tank size for this fish varies greatly some say 70 gallons overs say 150 I believe anything above 100 should be good for an adult unless it's extra large for some reason look up dogface puffer 125 gallon lots of places say it's fine and there are tons of videos of them in that size tank there are also threads where people keep porcupine puffer in a 125 fine and my tank 137 gallons

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marleesan
05/11/2017, 07:31 AM
Those fish get over a foot long and very wide, 137 gallons is way too small. I would say at least 180 gallons, but even larger would be better

FinnCole
05/11/2017, 10:55 AM
Those fish get over a foot long and very wide, 137 gallons is way too small. I would say at least 180 gallons, but even larger would be better
I have seen them in 125 gallons doing great

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Hadla
05/11/2017, 11:07 AM
Just wondering how many tanks you're going to have after seeing multiple puffer posts?

FinnCole
05/11/2017, 11:13 AM
Just wondering how many tanks you're going to have after seeing multiple puffer posts?
We where changing our minds alot it was originaily going to be a 80 gallon but we had more room and my Mam loves puffers and so do I so we decided to get a 137 gallon instead so they could have a better tank

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FinnCole
05/11/2017, 11:36 AM
Btw it does not have to be a dogface puffer and smaller arothron puffer would work since I love them all and I like narrow lines puffers just as much as dogfaces but I live in the UK so narrow lines are hard to come by I think narrow lines rarely reach a foot and can be kept i am sure they can be kept in a 125

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FinnCole
05/11/2017, 11:38 AM
https://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334

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marleesan
05/11/2017, 11:39 AM
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+39+3076&pcatid=3076

Live aquaria puts this puffer at minimum 125, so that is the only puffer I would consider in a 137. I think that a dwarf puffer like the valentini would be a better fit

FinnCole
05/11/2017, 12:01 PM
Ok so those anyone know where I could get a narrow line puffer in the UK ?

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FinnCole
05/11/2017, 12:02 PM
There used to be a garden centre about a hour away from where I live that used to sell narrow lines but they shut down the marine fish section a while ago

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FinnCole
05/11/2017, 01:00 PM
That's what the puffer forum says about dogface and narrow lineshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170511/44640b2d1b68e7aea4f75a4c84248b27.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170511/2a8bc0d960968cddf07b28e7d70ded0d.jpg

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Hadla
05/11/2017, 02:14 PM
Are you on thepufferforum? If so, I'm hadla on there also :)

FinnCole
05/11/2017, 02:19 PM
Are you on thepufferforum? If so, I'm hadla on there also :)
Nope but I might make an account one day

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marleesan
05/11/2017, 02:23 PM
Those sources look pretty outdated (they are 6 years old). I strongly recommend not getting a dogface puffer, it's just not fair to the fish

FinnCole
05/11/2017, 02:30 PM
I might try a 160 gallon instead since that's ten gallons over what live aquaria recommends (also in the description on live aquaria it says 100 gallons and over) or I will just get a narrow line

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FinnCole
05/11/2017, 02:35 PM
This is from live aquariahttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170511/5b8d7f0e62d77c40fcc21ba6bf7d6773.jpg

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Breadman03
05/11/2017, 02:49 PM
I don't know if it holds true on your side of the pond, but a 180 is a very common and relatively inexpensive tank in the US. The 6 foot (1.8m) length puts it as, in my opinion, the smallest of the big tanks. Most commonly available fish will be able to be kept successfully and glass thickness isn't going to be prohibitive for gear secured with magnets.

FinnCole
05/11/2017, 03:14 PM
I don't know if it holds true on your side of the pond, but a 180 is a very common and relatively inexpensive tank in the US. The 6 foot (1.8m) length puts it as, in my opinion, the smallest of the big tanks. Most commonly available fish will be able to be kept successfully and glass thickness isn't going to be prohibitive for gear secured with magnets.
In the UK tanks are very expensive the 137 gallon costs 629 pounds

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FinnCole
05/11/2017, 03:15 PM
I don't know if it holds true on your side of the pond, but a 180 is a very common and relatively inexpensive tank in the US. The 6 foot (1.8m) length puts it as, in my opinion, the smallest of the big tanks. Most commonly available fish will be able to be kept successfully and glass thickness isn't going to be prohibitive for gear secured with magnets.
On ebay (where I am getting the tank) the biggest tank I can find is 158 gallons

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benjammin03
05/11/2017, 09:11 PM
To answer your original question, I would not put a puffer in a 22 regardless of size. A 1 inch puffer will grow very fast and I don't see why you would put the stress of moving him to 2 new tanks. If you are going to set up a 100+ gallon why not just wait till then. Not to mention a puffer that small will be much more sensitive to stress and any water issues that would be magnified in a 22 gallon. I say wait till you get the tank set up so your fish only has to deal with one move and then you can also get a bigger fish who will be more hardy.

FinnCole
05/12/2017, 02:03 AM
To answer your original question, I would not put a puffer in a 22 regardless of size. A 1 inch puffer will grow very fast and I don't see why you would put the stress of moving him to 2 new tanks. If you are going to set up a 100+ gallon why not just wait till then. Not to mention a puffer that small will be much more sensitive to stress and any water issues that would be magnified in a 22 gallon. I say wait till you get the tank set up so your fish only has to deal with one move and then you can also get a bigger fish who will be more hardy.
Would a dogface work in a 137 gallon in your opinion ?


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marleesan
05/12/2017, 07:05 AM
You have recieved an answer that you do not like so you keep asking the same question. Bottom line, you cannot put a dog face puffer in your tank. They get to 18 inches and should not be in a tank that small.

Hadla
05/12/2017, 08:22 AM
To answer your original question, I would not put a puffer in a 22 regardless of size. A 1 inch puffer will grow very fast and I don't see why you would put the stress of moving him to 2 new tanks. If you are going to set up a 100+ gallon why not just wait till then. Not to mention a puffer that small will be much more sensitive to stress and any water issues that would be magnified in a 22 gallon. I say wait till you get the tank set up so your fish only has to deal with one move and then you can also get a bigger fish who will be more hardy.

+1! My porky is only in the 29 until I have my 75 set up and also cause I want her to get a little bigger before I introduce all three

I've waited over 10 years for a porcupine puffer and I still can't believe I have one!

benjammin03
05/12/2017, 08:40 AM
Would a dogface work in a 137 gallon in your opinion ?


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In my amateur opinion, it would be big enough but you aren't going to have much room for many other fish. If this is your dream fish then go for it, but if you are looking to have a variety of fish you might want to look for something else (fish or tank).

FinnCole
05/12/2017, 12:05 PM
You have recieved an answer that you do not like so you keep asking the same question. Bottom line, you cannot put a dog face puffer in your tank. They get to 18 inches and should not be in a tank that small.
Your answer isn't the only answer over people can have diffrent opinions and diffrent answers that's the point of a forum you ask a question and get multiple answers

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FinnCole
05/12/2017, 12:08 PM
Also have you ever seen a 18 inch dogface sure a 18 inch Indian porcupine I would believe but a 18 inch dogface also I have been looking on some other threads that say 100 is fine your the only person I have seen who has said you need 180 gallons anyway I have seen tons of posts of people saying porcupine do
Fine in a 120 porcupine are about the same size as dogface and alot more active

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FinnCole
05/12/2017, 12:10 PM
I would get a 180 if I could fine one by the way I have seen none for sale

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FinnCole
05/12/2017, 12:11 PM
Also Oscars a similar size fish has a recommended tank size of 75

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FinnCole
05/12/2017, 12:14 PM
Screenshot taken straight from live aquariahttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170512/f3e83ac1e9f8a2c1d9fed87eea25825b.jpg

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FinnCole
05/12/2017, 12:17 PM
Also 45 cm is 18 inches I know they don't get that big are you thinking of star and stripes puffers cause that's around the size they get I have looked around a they apparently get 33 cm about 13 inches

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FinnCole
05/12/2017, 01:24 PM
+1! My porky is only in the 29 until I have my 75 set up and also cause I want her to get a little bigger before I introduce all three

I've waited over 10 years for a porcupine puffer and I still can't believe I have one!
Can I see a picture of your porcupine?

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FinnCole
05/12/2017, 03:59 PM
https://youtu.be/xOwfg-mPhZk this star and stripes puffer lived in a 125 for 8 years and is bigger than a dogface

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MuShu
05/12/2017, 04:58 PM
Here's the thing. You can get a German Shepherd puppy and keep it in a 4-foot cage. At some point, that dog is going to outgrow that cage. You can keep getting a bigger cage until you reach the bare minimum, but you would still have a problem because you have a highly intelligent animal is a space that just barely meets it's requirements. It's going to get bored and destructive.

Puffers may be okay in a 137, but that would be just barely surviving, not thriving and living up to it's full potential. Puffers can be trained like a dog, and they need space to swim and maneuver, just like the German Shepherd.

And yes, people keep them in smaller tanks. People keep lots of fish in too-small tanks (don't even get me started on one in a facebook group who has a hippo tang and a yellow tang in a 29gal biocube with 2 clowns and 3 damsels). It doesn't make it right or fair to the fish.

FinnCole
05/12/2017, 05:20 PM
Here's the thing. You can get a German Shepherd puppy and keep it in a 4-foot cage. At some point, that dog is going to outgrow that cage. You can keep getting a bigger cage until you reach the bare minimum, but you would still have a problem because you have a highly intelligent animal is a space that just barely meets it's requirements. It's going to get bored and destructive.

Puffers may be okay in a 137, but that would be just barely surviving, not thriving and living up to it's full potential. Puffers can be trained like a dog, and they need space to swim and maneuver, just like the German Shepherd.

And yes, people keep them in smaller tanks. People keep lots of fish in too-small tanks (don't even get me started on one in a facebook group who has a hippo tang and a yellow tang in a 29gal biocube with 2 clowns and 3 damsels). It doesn't make it right or fair to the fish.
Although I believe that a dogface could be happy in a 125 from the videos I have seen if dogface and porcupine in that size tank they seem to interact with there owners and seem happy since they are swimming around however that face book group with the hipp tang in a 29 is disguisting they probably saw finding nemo/dory and thought let's get a nemo and a dory I mean a pair of clowns is ok in 29 but a hippo tang is ridiculous I would say they need atleast 250 gallons a LFS near my grand parents had one In a giant display tank
That used to have a shark in it and it out grew it

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Hadla
05/12/2017, 06:31 PM
And yes, people keep them in smaller tanks. People keep lots of fish in too-small tanks (don't even get me started on one in a facebook group who has a hippo tang and a yellow tang in a 29gal biocube with 2 clowns and 3 damsels). It doesn't make it right or fair to the fish.

What the effing eff?! I don't get people sometimes. :mad2:

FinnCole
05/13/2017, 01:26 AM
What the effing eff?! I don't get people sometimes. :mad2:
Thanks for the picture he looks great

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 05:31 AM
I don't know if it holds true on your side of the pond, but a 180 is a very common and relatively inexpensive tank in the US. The 6 foot (1.8m) length puts it as, in my opinion, the smallest of the big tanks. Most commonly available fish will be able to be kept successfully and glass thickness isn't going to be prohibitive for gear secured with magnets.
How much are they ?

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Breadman03
05/13/2017, 09:16 AM
I want to say they were under $1,000 when I looked a couple years ago. I ended up going used because there is always someone getting out or changing tank. My 150 with stand was $400.

Gar3th
05/13/2017, 10:04 AM
I would get a 180 if I could fine one by the way I have seen none for sale

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There are loads of companies that make 6ft tanks in the UK but they will cost you, factoring in a sump and stand I doubt you'll much change from 1500.

FinnCole
05/13/2017, 10:34 AM
There are loads of companies that make 6ft tanks in the UK but they will cost you, factoring in a sump and stand I doubt you'll much change from 1500.
1500 is probably way above my budget that really expensive the 137 tank I am probably gunna cost 629 I am living with my parents and me and my mam are buying the tank together if u does not have a sunowould it be cheaper ? Also how much is 180 gallons in litres I will look around

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 10:34 AM
1500 is probably way above my budget that really expensive the 137 tank I am probably gunna cost 629 I am living with my parents and me and my mam are buying the tank together if u does not have a sunowould it be cheaper ? Also how much is 180 gallons in litres I will look around

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I ment to say sump not sunowould

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 10:35 AM
There are loads of companies that make 6ft tanks in the UK but they will cost you, factoring in a sump and stand I doubt you'll much change from 1500.
Is that the tank or just the equipment ?

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 10:46 AM
Ok so I found out 180 gallons is 680 litres I searched up 680l fish tanks on eBay 0 tanks that where that size came up

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BigBlueTang
05/13/2017, 01:01 PM
Ok so I found out 180 gallons is 680 litres I searched up 680l fish tanks on eBay 0 tanks that where that size came up

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Do you have a local fish store? They would most likely have the ability to order you a 180g.

Also, FWIW, you don't have to justify purchasing the fish. You do not have a big enough tank for a dogface or a porcupine, and it's not right for the fish. If a 180 is out of your budget, then get a smaller tank with smaller fish, there's plenty of toby's and other aggressive fish that you can put in a 150.

FinnCole
05/13/2017, 03:13 PM
Do you have a local fish store? They would most likely have the ability to order you a 180g.

Also, FWIW, you don't have to justify purchasing the fish. You do not have a big enough tank for a dogface or a porcupine, and it's not right for the fish. If a 180 is out of your budget, then get a smaller tank with smaller fish, there's plenty of toby's and other aggressive fish that you can put in a 150.
I don't have a local LFS also dogface puffers don't need a 180

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 03:20 PM
I dont know why people are posting stuff saying 137 is to small I have seen tons of people with them in 125 tanks happy and healthy

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 03:21 PM
If I could find a 180 I would get one but the nearest LFS is 2 hours away and I can't find anything on ebay

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olemiss reb
05/13/2017, 03:31 PM
hippo tang is ridiculous I would say they need atleast 250 gallons

I have seen tons of people with them in -insert smaller tank size here- happy and healthy.

I have seen tons of people with them in 125 tanks happy and healthy

Seeing something done wrong numerous times does not make it right. Not sure how you can understand this with the Hippo but not the Puffer.

FinnCole
05/13/2017, 03:37 PM
I have seen tons of people with them in -insert smaller tank size here- happy and healthy.



Seeing something done wrong numerous times does not make it right. Not sure how you can understand this with the Hippo but not the Puffer.
How is it wrong even live aquaria although they say on the tank size thing 150 in the description for the fish it's says 100 gallon or more and i am sorry but I trust live aquaria more than any of you guys considering they are a professional company that sells fish and has for years

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 03:40 PM
I have seen tons of people with them in -insert smaller tank size here- happy and healthy.



Seeing something done wrong numerous times does not make it right. Not sure how you can understand this with the Hippo but not the Puffer.
Also there is a difference a hippo tang needs a tang like that a dogface puffer can do fine in a 125 hippo tang there is a difference between keeping a fish that can fit in that size tank (although some people would disagree) and a fish in a tank around 10% of what they need

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olemiss reb
05/13/2017, 03:57 PM
live aquaria more than any of you guys considering they are a professional company that sells fish

Key word in that sentence. They're in the business of selling fish. They'll sell many more if buyers go by there guidelines than those recommended by experienced aquarist. I have nothing to gain whether you buy one or not. Ime, a 137 is not a large enough tank for any genus of large puffer.

LiveAquaria list a 180 as a minimum for the Hippo...

FinnCole
05/13/2017, 04:00 PM
Key word in that sentence. They're in the business of selling fish. They'll sell many more if buyers go by there guidelines than those recommended by experienced aquarist. I have nothing to gain whether you buy one or not. Ime, a 137 is not a large enough tank for any genus of large puffer.

LiveAquaria list a 180 as a minimum for the Hippo...
I had not seen the live aquaria minimum size for hipp tangs since as i am not interested in big tangs I said that cause there is LFS near my grandparents that had one In a 200 gallon display tank and it outgrew it but then again that LFS said porcupine puffers get over a metre long

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Sweeper13
05/13/2017, 04:36 PM
1 Dogface in a 22 gallon if small will be fine for the very short term. If your the cycle isn't setup your going to get in big trouble fast with ammonia spikes. They like to eat and you will want to feed. They put a heavier load on your tank. They do grow decent in the first yr if your feed them alot. Your 137 gallon tank will be fine. You start getting into more puffers you better have a good filter and watch your water quality. GL.

FinnCole
05/13/2017, 05:15 PM
1 Dogface in a 22 gallon if small will be fine for the very short term. If your the cycle isn't setup your going to get in big trouble fast with ammonia spikes. They like to eat and you will want to feed. They put a heavier load on your tank. They do grow decent in the first yr if your feed them alot. Your 137 gallon tank will be fine. You start getting into more puffers you better have a good filter and watch your water quality. GL.
Thanks for the info I have decided just to wait till I get the bigger tank at least one person agrees you can keep a dogface in a 137

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FinnCole
05/13/2017, 05:18 PM
1 Dogface in a 22 gallon if small will be fine for the very short term. If your the cycle isn't setup your going to get in big trouble fast with ammonia spikes. They like to eat and you will want to feed. They put a heavier load on your tank. They do grow decent in the first yr if your feed them alot. Your 137 gallon tank will be fine. You start getting into more puffers you better have a good filter and watch your water quality. GL.
It's my dream to one day have a 500 gallon tank for big puffers maybe I will get it one day puffers are my favourite fish by far

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