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plyle02
05/14/2017, 07:29 AM
Hello fellow gurus :)
Well the home improvements are nearly complete, and I sold off the old system in order to make these projects happen. My fiance and I painted the entire interior of the home, and my dad and I installed new laminate wood flooring. I knew the 120 had to come down in order to make this project happen. That said, we had a perfect corner to put a smaller setup, and I scored a prototype Waterbox 50 gallon AIO cube from work. So, I am back with a new setup that will be of the mixed variety. Alright then, on to the system setup and equipment.

Tank: 52.4 Waterbox AIO rimless all panels low iron glass(dual overflows)
Skimmer: Aquamaxx WS-1 skimmer
Lighting: Kessil A360W and Kessil A160W
Top Off: Pacific Sun Sentry
Doser: E-shops twin doser and Bubble Magus single doser
Controller: DA RK Lite
Powerhead: Soon to come
Pump: Eco Pump (350gph)

In the tank:
Rock: Mixture of Live Fiji Air Rock, and Real Reef Rock(total around 40lbs.)
Fish: Pair of True Percs, pair of Black ORA cardinals, long nosed hawkfish
Inverts: 20 sps frags, scoly, ricordea garden, acans, a few zoas, 2 fighting conchs, misc snails and hermits

System:
AF Probiotic Reef Salt
AF Vitality, Amino Mix, Build, and Energy
AF Life Bio Fil(passive in media tray box)
AF Carbon(passive in media tray box)
AF NP Pro
AF Pro Bio S

kevlow
05/14/2017, 08:34 AM
Great to see you up and running. I am sure this will be a beautiful system.
What was the deciding factor for you to chose the Kessils?
Are you starting completely from scratch or did save any of your old acros?
Will be subscribed and following along.

Pife
05/14/2017, 08:37 AM
Subscribing! Glad you're back!

reefmutt
05/14/2017, 08:43 AM
Hey Perry!
Glad to see you back! :)
Yes, I'm also intrigued by your lighting choice.
Also wondering if you've kept frags from the old system
Looking forward to watching this system grow out.
Any thoughts on using AF Life Source?

plyle02
05/14/2017, 09:12 AM
Great to see you up and running. I am sure this will be a beautiful system.
What was the deciding factor for you to chose the Kessils?
Are you starting completely from scratch or did save any of your old acros?
Will be subscribed and following along.

Hi Kevin,
I went with kessils cause we had some returned laying around that we could not really do anything with. So, the a160w is running only blue at 50% and the a360w is running around 60% with around a 20k look. Trying to go kind of easy on the lighting and let things settle in. The corals all came from LFS that took my colonies. I have been up and running for a few weeks, and some livestock transferred over from a 25 gallon lagoon, fish and rics, and polyps. Yesterday I called the LFS and told him a price, and to pick out around 10 sps frags. To my amazement, Steve hooked me up with 20 beautiful frags. Some were high $ named frags. Thanks for checking things out, hope all is well!

Subscribing! Glad you're back!

Thanks Brandon, Yeah you cannot keep a sps junkie tankless for too long, lol :)

Hey Perry!
Glad to see you back! :)
Yes, I'm also intrigued by your lighting choice.
Also wondering if you've kept frags from the old system
Looking forward to watching this system grow out.
Any thoughts on using AF Life Source?

Hey Matt,
Covered the lighting deal in Kevin's post, and starting fresh with new frags. All of them are sweet, and named, but I did not write them all down, and nor do I really care, lol.. As far as Life Bio Fil, I am using 1 liter in a mesh bag, in the media tray in the overflow of the tank. I am also running carbon, and have a spot for phosphate remover if needed. The Life Bio Fil is pumice, so a biological media to help with nutrients, but comes pre-loaded with Bacteria. The skimmer seems to be up to the challenge and rocks, but, I will be running ULNS, so it will be important to have a large area for bacteria to home. So glad to be back with a new setup, our home apperance has been greatly improved, and the tank brings it all together. I am stoked to have a small easy to run little system. I think I will be able to pull off something pretty sweet, time will tell :) Thanks Matt!!!

reefmutt
05/14/2017, 10:44 AM
Thanks Perry, looking forward to this tank.
I was asking about AF Life Source, the mud..
Wondering about it as a contained, in sump sand bed as opposed to broadcast dosing it which sounds messy to me..

cFloor
05/14/2017, 01:53 PM
Nice Perry! Looking forward to following along

nemodan
05/14/2017, 02:20 PM
Perry.... knowing your skills this will be a beautiful tank in short time.

Cheers
Daniel !!

Pictures please !!

plyle02
05/15/2017, 02:51 PM
Thanks Perry, looking forward to this tank.
I was asking about AF Life Source, the mud..
Wondering about it as a contained, in sump sand bed as opposed to broadcast dosing it which sounds messy to me..

Hey Matt,
From my understanding, this is dosed into a high flow area, apparently the water will temporarily get cloudy, but return to normal. I will likely take some home to try, I can then have a better understanding. I will update you as I begin use.
Cheers!

Nice Perry! Looking forward to following along

Thank You Connor,
I am really trying to keep this tank as simple and stylish as possible. I feel with the 2 kessils, I will be able to create sufficient light for sps. I love the simple look of this tank, and so does my fiance, so after all the hard work on home improvements, I must keep things tidy, or else....LOL :)

Perry.... knowing your skills this will be a beautiful tank in short time.

Cheers
Daniel !!

Pictures please !!

Hi Daniel,
Thank you for the vote of confidence. We shall see... I will put up some pics real soon, but nothing really impressive enough to share yet :)
Thanks Daniel!

biggles
05/16/2017, 11:59 PM
Really pleased to see you getting a reef running again Perry, looking forward to seeing it all come together buddy :thumbsup:

plyle02
05/30/2017, 10:12 PM
Really pleased to see you getting a reef running again Perry, looking forward to seeing it all come together buddy :thumbsup:

Thank You Andrew!

The tank is running great, I am doing nothing but Probiotic Reef Salt changes weekly, and trying to dial in the exact parameters. So far so good, I have lost a few testers, but that is on me and my lack of knowledge for LED's. They provide more light than I would normally see with me eyes, so I am still trying to get it....LOL... Soon I will feel confident to show something other than boring... :) Nothing but frag sticks and my flubber ;)

plyle02
06/01/2017, 12:41 PM
Intro Video

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reefmutt
06/01/2017, 02:24 PM
Nice intro. Looking good Perry!
Will be neet to see the acros growing out from the pyramid.

markalot
06/02/2017, 09:20 AM
Nice to see this thread, looking forward to seeing the progress!

Zoahoarder
06/03/2017, 10:15 PM
Awesome looking tank now. Those sps frags once grown are going to look sweet. Can't wait to see it.

plyle02
06/04/2017, 03:56 PM
Nice intro. Looking good Perry!
Will be neet to see the acros growing out from the pyramid.

Thank You Matt!!! We shall see, I have an update though, and it will be a great move for me.

Nice to see this thread, looking forward to seeing the progress!

Thanks Mark,
Smaller for now, I love the simplicity, and feel as though I can will be more than satisfied with the smaller setup.

Awesome looking tank now. Those sps frags once grown are going to look sweet. Can't wait to see it.

Thanks Bro!

plyle02
06/04/2017, 03:59 PM
Update:

Lighting will change in a week or so.
I purchased a brand new Hamiliton Cayman Sun pendant, and will be using a 20K Radium 250watt bulb. I will still use the Kesslil A160WE to supplement with blue up and down ramping. I plan to run the halide for 7 hours a day only.
Thanks for checking things out, I will update as soon as the new light comes in :)

reefmutt
06/04/2017, 04:02 PM
Update:

Lighting will change in a week or so.
I purchased a brand new Hamiliton Cayman Sun pendant, and will be using a 20K Radium 250watt bulb. I will still use the Kesslil A160WE to supplement with blue up and down ramping. I plan to run the halide for 7 hours a day only.
Thanks for checking things out, I will update as soon as the new light comes in :)

My name is Matthew Graham and I approve of this message. :)

Zoahoarder
06/04/2017, 04:29 PM
Update:

Lighting will change in a week or so.
I purchased a brand new Hamiliton Cayman Sun pendant, and will be using a 20K Radium 250watt bulb. I will still use the Kesslil A160WE to supplement with blue up and down ramping. I plan to run the halide for 7 hours a day only.
Thanks for checking things out, I will update as soon as the new light comes in :)

Awesome. Can't wait to see the tank with the halide on top.

kevlow
06/05/2017, 04:46 AM
Great stuff!

Will having the the MH change the nature of the reef? Will it still be a mixed reef or will it now be sps dominate?

Best fortune with all that you do.

Kevin

drawman
06/05/2017, 08:58 AM
Nice work Perry! I'm a little sad to see the larger system go but it will be fun to follow the new tank!

plyle02
06/06/2017, 07:31 AM
My name is Matthew Graham and I approve of this message. :)

LOL,
I am glad you approve Mr. Graham :) You really cannot go wrong with a single 250watt radium over this footprint, should light this tank to perfection!

Awesome. Can't wait to see the tank with the halide on top.

Hopefully next week man, I am stoked and this should work perfectly :)

Great stuff!

Will having the the MH change the nature of the reef? Will it still be a mixed reef or will it now be sps dominate?

Best fortune with all that you do.

Kevin

Thank You Kevin! I have grown way too fond over ricordeas, my scoly, acans, etc... So I will keep them all in one tank and try to balance health for all corals, this will be tricky, but I think for me the halide will be easier. I am certain I could get it done with LED, but I KNOW 100% that I can achieve coloration with halides. I just do not have the confidence with LED, already burned a few acro frags and bleached a couple more. With t5 and halide, this would not have happened. The human eye cannot capture certain sensitivity in LED that you can with more linear lighting, this causes amateurs like me to over light with LED, thus scorching them. Anyway, I will still use the a160we for max blue at 50% with angle for actinic up and down viewing, I think it will pair nicely with 7 hours halide daily. Thanks again for checking in!

Nice work Perry! I'm a little sad to see the larger system go but it will be fun to follow the new tank!

Hey Tim, thanks for the kind words man! Yeah, I have basically divided my reef by half, and starting over with frags, lol... This setup is basically easy, and automated, so I will hopefully get some growth going and fill this bad boy up! This tank will be loaded with corals, and will be placed with max health in mind, using shading for light sensitive corals, and filling the open space with large colonies.... Ahhh.... the vision is coming :)

plyle02
06/06/2017, 07:37 AM
Update:
Started using AF Life Source, and did not have any adverse reactions to the tank. The mud is dispersed by placing and kneading with my fingers by the return pump. The tank is cloudy for maybe a half hour, and no real visible deposits, unless a larger piece escaped. This is a mud, it does not smell foul, it smells of minerals, like soil, very earthy. I understand this to be an extraction off the reefs of Fiji. The idea behind it is to help balance the micr-biology of the tank. With my tank being rather new, I see no harm in this :) Skimmer did not over-produce during dosing. Within an hour, the tank was crystal clear. I might mention that the tank has well seeded sand from my previous 120 gallon tank, and a few pieces of rock from that tank. I also have a piece of fiji live rock(air rock). I have tons of micro life, but absolutely understand the importance of balance with SPS. Cheers!!!

reefmutt
06/06/2017, 08:22 AM
Update:
Started using AF Life Source, and did not have any adverse reactions to the tank. The mud is dispersed by placing and kneading with my fingers by the return pump. The tank is cloudy for maybe a half hour, and no real visible deposits, unless a larger piece escaped. This is a mud, it does not smell foul, it smells of minerals, like soil, very earthy. I understand this to be an extraction off the reefs of Fiji. The idea behind it is to help balance the micr-biology of the tank. With my tank being rather new, I see no harm in this :) Skimmer did not over-produce during dosing. Within an hour, the tank was crystal clear. I might mention that the tank has well seeded sand from my previous 120 gallon tank, and a few pieces of rock from that tank. I also have a piece of fiji live rock(air rock). I have tons of micro life, but absolutely understand the importance of balance with SPS. Cheers!!!

Hey Perry, glad you are trying out this product. I'm curious about it. I was considering using it like Mark did (he is using W. S. Fiji mud) in a container, in a more static way. Instead of broadcasting it in the tank, using it as a sand bed in the sump.. maybe put it in flat containers that can be removed and replaced on a regular basis.. Because it is so fine, I don't think I'd make the bed thicker than 1 1/2 inch to 2 inches deep..
Broadcasting is makes me wonder where all the particles go.. I guess a skimmer and filter sock would remove some but I'm more concerned about it clogging biomedia..
Any thoughts?

plyle02
06/06/2017, 09:55 AM
Hey Perry, glad you are trying out this product. I'm curious about it. I was considering using it like Mark did (he is using W. S. Fiji mud) in a container, in a more static way. Instead of broadcasting it in the tank, using it as a sand bed in the sump.. maybe put it in flat containers that can be removed and replaced on a regular basis.. Because it is so fine, I don't think I'd make the bed thicker than 1 1/2 inch to 2 inches deep..
Broadcasting is makes me wonder where all the particles go.. I guess a skimmer and filter sock would remove some but I'm more concerned about it clogging biomedia..
Any thoughts?

Hi Matt,
I cannot imagine using it as a mud bed, to me it seems with water contact, that it would break down, it is literally mud :) When I broadcast, sure it settles, but the deposit at this point is so fine, it is even hard to see it build on the sand bed. I am using about 2 tablespoon worth every couple of weeks. I ball it up, then just let the water hit it and it quickly breaks down into a soot if you will. The water becomes cloudy grey, then it returns to normal. I would not see this really clogging sand or rocks, it is too fine for that. As you said, probably 40-50% is lost into the filter socks, skimmer, and other forms of filtration. Although my tank is rather new, I am confident that the micro-biology of the tank is well balanced. I will probably have to use it a few more times to see any benefits, but so far nothing bad has occurred :)

reefmutt
06/06/2017, 10:27 AM
Thanks, Perry!

codydemmel4
06/06/2017, 02:57 PM
looking good!

plyle02
06/08/2017, 07:25 AM
Thanks, Perry!

My pleasure Matt, while the "mud" if you will is still new, I think there are certain benefits to be obtained through it's use. I will make more keen observations next week when dosing and update accordingly. :)

looking good!

Thank You Sir!!!

Wrangy
06/08/2017, 11:22 PM
Weeeeewwww :D Good to see you back again Perry :) I'm looking forward to seeing what you can achieve in this little tank! I like the sounds of the mud lol

plyle02
06/09/2017, 09:42 AM
Hey Dom,
Thanks my man, I appreciate all the kind words! This little tank is going to rock, new light coming soon :) Yeah, I like this mud stuff, it seems to add some feeding potential to corals and inverts. Anyway, no negative effects, so time will tell.

glaukos
06/09/2017, 05:54 PM
So happy to see the new start buddy:beer:
Everything looks nice and i'm sure as the days go by they will become even better:thumbsup:

Wrangy
06/09/2017, 07:54 PM
Hey Dom,
Thanks my man, I appreciate all the kind words! This little tank is going to rock, new light coming soon :) Yeah, I like this mud stuff, it seems to add some feeding potential to corals and inverts. Anyway, no negative effects, so time will tell.
For sure! A little tank can be just as much fun and certainly as challenging as a bigger one :) You'll have to keep us updated with everything though!

MichaelW
06/09/2017, 10:18 PM
Perry nice to see the new set up. Im not around as much anymore but like to pop in on my mates journals every now and than. Cant wait to see how this one turns out.

Zoahoarder
06/15/2017, 03:04 PM
Hey perry, it was finally good to meet you and the family. Tank looks great and can't wait till you can throw that halide on top of it.

FloformAustria
06/16/2017, 12:39 AM
nice intro Perry!

canīt wait to see what you are going to do with this tank!

Cheers

plyle02
06/18/2017, 11:49 AM
So happy to see the new start buddy:beer:
Everything looks nice and i'm sure as the days go by they will become even better:thumbsup:

Hey Mike, how are you my friend? I have been kind of dormant around here, I need to get back in the game, lol :)

For sure! A little tank can be just as much fun and certainly as challenging as a bigger one :) You'll have to keep us updated with everything though!

Hi Dom, whats up mate! For a small tank, I sure am spending $$$. I do have some challenges as far as nutrients go, but starting to work down through consistent water changes. Thanks for the reply, hopefully soon I will have more to show.

Perry nice to see the new set up. Im not around as much anymore but like to pop in on my mates journals every now and than. Cant wait to see how this one turns out.

Thanks Michael, I appreciate you popping in :) Yep, new journal, new tank, new set of challenges, but I am happy to have this little setup. I cannot expand too much more, I like that, so once I get the new light up, I will start to see some results, at least I hope. All in all, the tank is setup exactly how I want it.

Hey perry, it was finally good to meet you and the family. Tank looks great and can't wait till you can throw that halide on top of it.

Hey Matt,
Thanks for coming by and having a beer, hope to see the lagoon going soon! We will have to get together soon for sure. Thanks again buddy!

nice intro Perry!

canīt wait to see what you are going to do with this tank!

Cheers

Hey Flo,
Thanks for looking in on the tank and journal. Right now things are kind of ho hum, but hopefully the new light will help get things going. I have not had much success with LED, so for now, I need to work with technology that I am familiar with. Soon I will get some pics :)

plyle02
06/18/2017, 11:59 AM
Update:
Tomorrow the light comes in, took awhile, but by Tues, I will be firing that bad boy up. As a reminder, it is a Hamilton Cayman Sun pendant, with a 250 watt SE Radium bulb. Hamilton also makes the ballast. I imagine this will light the footprint very well.(24"x24"x21"tall) depth is 5" less, due to filtration compartment. I will start the pendant at 14" above the tank, and slowly lower. The plan is to start at 5 hours a day for the first 2 weeks, then go to 6 hours a day. That will be the max as there is really no need for a longer photoperiod with this lamp. I will use a kessil all blue at max 30% to ramp dawn and dusk.
Aquascape Update:
I changed the pyramid to more of a bommie, I wanted to use the top portion of the tank for ample swim space. I now have 5 fish, and plan to get maybe 3 more total. Right now I have a pair of true percs, a longnose hawk, an ora black cardinal, and a female melanarus wrasse. I also have acquired some sick mari cultures, soon I will photo :) I got a crazy pink milli, a blue with yellow hues milli, a funky tenuis, and crazy pink with blue hues humilus. These are some killer bali maris by buddy Steve at Stormborn Reef has been bringing in. When I say hot, I mean hot... Never seen a humilus like this one, I cannot wait to get a sweet photo :)

FloformAustria
06/18/2017, 12:48 PM
now that is what i call light! :D

really looking forward to the new pictures!

Cheers

reefmutt
06/18/2017, 08:37 PM
Perry, updates are good and all and I'm glad to hear the light is coming in soon but you said you re scaped....
re scaped!
Dude, we need a pic..... come on... we are blind, here. :)

plyle02
06/19/2017, 04:01 PM
now that is what i call light! :D

really looking forward to the new pictures!

Cheers

I would have pictures, but taking them under LED is impossible for me, lol... I have confirmation that the new light has arrived, so tonight I will try and install. I am confident that my camera works well under halide lighting, so this should be good.

Perry, updates are good and all and I'm glad to hear the light is coming in soon but you said you re scaped....
re scaped!
Dude, we need a pic..... come on... we are blind, here. :)

Hey Matt,
I hear you, I cannot take pictures worth a darn under LED, I am using a prototype led, this thing only on for a week, and is blowing the Kessil lamps out of the water. If I knew this lamp would have worked so well, I may have stuck with it. However, I am really excited to re-visit halides, and Radium is the best one I have used in SE bulbs. I am partial to the Phoenix 14k in the DE bulbs. If installation is a breeze, I may have time to take pics tonight, otherwise I will have to wait until tomorrow. The new scape makes more sense, you will see when I post.
Thanks again man!

plyle02
07/02/2017, 08:57 AM
Update on the tank:

*Going to more basics on the tank.
*AF Probiotic Reef Salt, to Red Sea blue bucket, buffered with CA and MG prior to water changes.
*Plan to switch to Fritz RPM when the salt bucket is used up.
*Rely on 25% weekly water changes
*discontinue use of NP Pro/Pro Bio S, and all coral supplements
*still continue the use of Component 123/ made with 1/2 recommended trace
*Using AF Carbon and AF Phosphate Minus, passive in media basket
*Using AF Life Bio Fil, passive in filtration compartment
*3 drops weekly Bio S post water change
*Lighting with A160we Kessil as supplement, and 250 watt Radium 14" off surface 5 hours a day
*Currently 5 fish in the tank

If there is a system out there, I have tried it, and while many of them work, I think they require more work than necessary. For this setup, with the tank being an AIO, it simply makes more since to rely on a KISS method. I am very happy with nutrient levels, yesterday NO3= 2.5 and PO4= 0.02 These numbers are accomplished with nothing but water changes and more controlled feedings/bioload. I am feeding pellets daily twice, and frozen 3 times per week with LRS. Other than that, I have had the halide over the tank for a couple of weeks, and slowly starting to notice growth and better coloration. The bulb has not quite burned in yet, but the combo of the led and halide will likely yield some pretty killer results, here is to hoping :)

Geeray
07/02/2017, 07:44 PM
Update on the tank:

*Going to more basics on the tank.
*AF Probiotic Reef Salt, to Red Sea blue bucket, buffered with CA and MG prior to water changes.
*Plan to switch to Fritz RPM when the salt bucket is used up.
*Rely on 25% weekly water changes
*discontinue use of NP Pro/Pro Bio S, and all coral supplements
*still continue the use of Component 123/ made with 1/2 recommended trace
*Using AF Carbon and AF Phosphate Minus, passive in media basket
*Using AF Life Bio Fil, passive in filtration compartment
*3 drops weekly Bio S post water change
*Lighting with A160we Kessil as supplement, and 250 watt Radium 14" off surface 5 hours a day
*Currently 5 fish in the tank

If there is a system out there, I have tried it, and while many of them work, I think they require more work than necessary. For this setup, with the tank being an AIO, it simply makes more since to rely on a KISS method. I am very happy with nutrient levels, yesterday NO3= 2.5 and PO4= 0.02 These numbers are accomplished with nothing but water changes and more controlled feedings/bioload. I am feeding pellets daily twice, and frozen 3 times per week with LRS. Other than that, I have had the halide over the tank for a couple of weeks, and slowly starting to notice growth and better coloration. The bulb has not quite burned in yet, but the combo of the led and halide will likely yield some pretty killer results, here is to hoping :)


I'm very interested to seeYour results using half the recommended trace in component 1,2,3. I have been using it for a year and would definitely be interested in cutting the trace in half to make it last longer.

plyle02
07/03/2017, 08:22 AM
I'm very interested to seeYour results using half the recommended trace in component 1,2,3. I have been using it for a year and would definitely be interested in cutting the trace in half to make it last longer.

I will keep you posted, I am and plan on doing 25% water changes weekly, part of the husbandry on this setup. That being said, I feel this will be sufficient for nutrient control as well as balanced with trace. No need to use a full strength IMO. While I have believed in trace dosing for many years, none of my reefs have ever been overwhelmed with it, as I have mostly preferred to do light dosing and observe. So many ways to accomplish nice corals with beautiful colors, I really think it boils down to your setup and it's confinements. Based on my new tank, being an AIO, I had to change my approach from my previous tank. Cheers

cobra2326
07/03/2017, 09:03 AM
Pics! I'm excited to see how things look with the rescape and MH.

plyle02
07/03/2017, 09:41 AM
Not much to look at, but in all fairness, without pics a journal is lacking. I will post the good the bad and ugly. Many of my corals are brownish, they were all mostly raised under radion led's as frags. That said, they have to adjust to the powerful lighting the MH brings, some are browning. Anyway, a few pics of the setup and some potential in corals.

FTS, showing the cayman sun pendant suspended from ceiling, with A160we Kessil for supplement:

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8309.jpg

Aquamaxx WS-1 skimmer, working very well

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8308.jpg

Simplicity at it's finest, my sump, not really, but ATO and Dosing liquids under stand.

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8311.jpg

Forget name, but serious potential with this one

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8313.jpg

another forgotten name, still on the green side

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8314.jpg

supposedly a wolverine, who knows... browned out for sure

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8315.jpg

A little flubber

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8317.jpg

the layout FTS, recent scape change more low lying. I am liking the change.

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8318.jpg

lavender with neon tips tenuis, this one is going to rock!

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8321.jpg

A very pretty pink milli from Bali

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/plyle02/IMG_8325.jpg

Ucantwin
07/03/2017, 09:54 AM
None of the pics are showing up for me.

kainic
07/03/2017, 09:56 AM
"Please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting"

plyle02
07/03/2017, 10:17 AM
None of the pics are showing up for me.

"Please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting"

What are you guys using to post images, I have not been out of the game that long, now all of a sudden Photobucket wants $399 a year for 3rd party hosting. Not going to do that :)

kainic
07/03/2017, 10:22 AM
What are you guys using to post images, I have not been out of the game that long, now all of a sudden Photobucket wants $399 a year for 3rd party hosting. Not going to do that :)

I use Flickr for the DSLR pics but I don't know its maximum storage capacity. For the phone pics I guess you could use Google Drive (don't know if you can embed them but you can try)

Geeray
07/03/2017, 12:39 PM
The Amazon cloud shared files don't show up either

reefmutt
07/03/2017, 02:53 PM
Sounds like a good plan, Perry!
Ugh...don't tell me I'm going to have to find some way to move all of my Photobucket photos...

cobra2326
07/03/2017, 06:50 PM
Cabinet looks super clean! That pink milli is sweet, I'm jealous. Here's hoping I can achieve good colors like you guys do in my little 10g nuvo with LEDs.

Here's a story on the photobucket fiasco: https://www.pcmag.com/news/354711/photobucket-breaks-image-links-across-the-internet

Wrangy
07/03/2017, 08:42 PM
What a sh!t fight! Looks like I'll be finding a new hosting website and just leaving everything else there to rot lol. I think photobucket is going to lose probably all of it's user base lol
What a bunch of pricks!

plyle02
07/04/2017, 09:32 AM
I use Flickr for the DSLR pics but I don't know its maximum storage capacity. For the phone pics I guess you could use Google Drive (don't know if you can embed them but you can try)

I got on Flickr, not sure how to share the image yet, but did successfully upload, I will play around on the site today and see if I can get these recent images up, lol...

The Amazon cloud shared files don't show up either

Yeah, I do not use amazon for much, they too are just a freakin greedy...

Sounds like a good plan, Perry!
Ugh...don't tell me I'm going to have to find some way to move all of my Photobucket photos...

Man, I have all of my old pics here on the computer, but am done with PB, they were slow anyway, but now, GREED at it's finest...

Cabinet looks super clean! That pink milli is sweet, I'm jealous. Here's hoping I can achieve good colors like you guys do in my little 10g nuvo with LEDs.

Here's a story on the photobucket fiasco: https://www.pcmag.com/news/354711/photobucket-breaks-image-links-across-the-internet

Thanks for the link, read the user comments, they are getting some pretty brutal comments, PB won't be around much longer, just so familiar with it, sucks that I have to go elsewhere to share pics...

What a sh!t fight! Looks like I'll be finding a new hosting website and just leaving everything else there to rot lol. I think photobucket is going to lose probably all of it's user base lol
What a bunch of pricks!

Yes mate, I too am not thrilled by this move, no communication, just boom, if you want to continue to use our slow service, riddled with ads and pop ups, now you pay $399 per year. Sucks for those who decide to pay, the later to find out that the site will go out of business ;)

plyle02
07/04/2017, 09:52 AM
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plyle02
07/04/2017, 09:52 AM
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plyle02
07/04/2017, 09:57 AM
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Wrangy
07/04/2017, 06:45 PM
Such a nice neat little setup Perry :) How are you enjoying the halide over the t5's from the last tank??

reefmutt
07/06/2017, 02:13 PM
Nice Perry looking good.
Flikr.. hm. Have to look into that..
I just mentioned on Pife's thread that last year I bought some upgrade package from Photobucket at $10/mo I think.
So far my photos still work.. I'm wondering if I'll be cut off soon as well or if the purchase saves me...

plyle02
07/27/2017, 08:51 AM
Such a nice neat little setup Perry :) How are you enjoying the halide over the t5's from the last tank??

Hi Dom,
Thanks for the kind words mate! I love the halide, took awhile to burn the bulb in, like 2 weeks, but now the color is awesome. Most of my corals are frags from Radion lit tank with emphasis on mainly blue, so typically they brown out, then color back up. Cheers :)

plyle02
07/27/2017, 08:52 AM
Nice Perry looking good.
Flikr.. hm. Have to look into that..
I just mentioned on Pife's thread that last year I bought some upgrade package from Photobucket at $10/mo I think.
So far my photos still work.. I'm wondering if I'll be cut off soon as well or if the purchase saves me...


Hi Matt,
Yeah Flikr for now, let's hope RC steps up and provides direct linking like the other popular reef forum recently did ;)

cham
07/27/2017, 08:54 AM
Perry, when are you coming by for a beer and some frags? I'm starting to get enough grow out if you're looking

plyle02
07/27/2017, 09:07 AM
Yes, I would love some frags, especially those you scored from me, hint hint, acid trip :)

cham
07/27/2017, 10:09 AM
Yes, I would love some frags, especially those you scored from me, hint hint, acid trip :)

LOL, I got the acid trip directly from Mike that lived in Sanford (can't remember his RC name) ;)

Darn thing grows so slow, but I hope to frag it soon


But I did get a metric ton of stuff from you, I lost the tri color which I'm bummed about because it was such a nice one.


Also have a bunch of RMF & Atlantis stuff from Mike when I was there getting the acid trip

Ucantwin
07/27/2017, 01:09 PM
Did you also have the aqua sd rainbow milli? It looks similar to the acid trip and was wondering how different they are.

plyle02
07/28/2017, 08:06 AM
LOL, I got the acid trip directly from Mike that lived in Sanford (can't remember his RC name) ;)

Darn thing grows so slow, but I hope to frag it soon


But I did get a metric ton of stuff from you, I lost the tri color which I'm bummed about because it was such a nice one.


Also have a bunch of RMF & Atlantis stuff from Mike when I was there getting the acid trip

Hey Charles, I spoke with Cindy, she said heck yeah, let's BBQ and have a few coldies, lol... Let me know when is good for you, I have weekends off, Saturdays are good. As you know, I like fresh cuts, so no need to plug, I will shoot you a message, I still have your cell. Yeah, the acid trip grew painfully slow for me as well. That one is not necessary until you have plenty of size, no hurry. Stay in touch brother, good to hear from you :)

Did you also have the aqua sd rainbow milli? It looks similar to the acid trip and was wondering how different they are.

Hi,
I did not have the aqua sd rainbow, but agree, many pics showcase these two corals in the same light, so not sure that there is really much of a difference, IMO. I highly suggest you visit Steve at Stormborn Reef, he has the goods! He also does not try and take advantage, with all the hottest stuff you see in Orlando, as many stores shop the same wholesalers. He will name something if he finds it unique and special, but is not naming basic stuff, even if the other shops do. He has been around a long time and has a seasoned eye for rare corals. Also gets maricultures in, and some of them will blow you away, I scored a purple humilus from there, going to be a stunner :)

plyle02
07/28/2017, 08:24 AM
Update:
So I have not documented this on my system, since I have been sort of tracking an ongoing issue with this tank, and I have never experienced this before, so let me begin. I use a salt that mixes at 6.8dkh, and have been doing larger water changes each week at 25%, however, I would see alk increase in my tank on a daily basis of about .4dkh, which baffled me as I do not dose any minerals or trace. I decided to pull all the painted rock from the tank, most of it Real Reef Rock. I moved this rock into a separate tank I had laying around, now the tank is stable. In fairness, I had one more smaller piece of decorative rock that stayed in the system, and I was still climbing daily, but only at about.1-.2dkh. I removed it, and now only have real live rock from Fiji(air rock), and since removing all man made rock, I have now watched my alk stabilize. I am certain that this has caused me to lose about 6-8 corals since beginning this tank, and I am now seeing corals that looked washed out, burnt tips, and other signs of STN now coming back, showing polyps and gaining color. The single piece of live rock is around 20lbs, so not much natural filtration. I may add small pieces with corals mounted around the structure in time, but right now it looks pretty cool and simple, lol..

Part 2 of my update is tracking how NO3 and PO4 would work in my small system, especially due to it being limited for filtration area, as it is an AIO tank, and limited live rock. I was running about 5-10ppm on NO3 and 0.04 on PO4, depending on which day I tested, as the nutrients would creep until water change day, then go back down a bit. I have been using the Life Bio Fil passive in a mesh bag in the back of the filtration area. I had a BRS reactor lying around, I found a spot on the wall behind the tank, so it is hidden, and installed. I suspect about 150gph running through the media. From the time I installed it this way, I ran a NO3 and PO4 test 3 days later, without any water changes, and poof, NO3 no color change salifert, ZERO... PO4 also 0.00, so now I am using some of the AF supplements, as I need to get food to the corals. I am now feeding 2 times a day frozen, I only have 4 fish, but they are pigs. I cannot believe that running active with bio media versus passive would make this big of a difference. I am adding Bio S and Pro Bio S a couple of times per week, and NP Pro at a drop every few days. There is no real need for Phosphate remover at this point, and dosing. I suspect that if I dial down the flow rate through the media reactor, I might be able to control nutrients this way. Just thought I would share this experience. I am quite surprised to have ULNS in a AIO style tank as the skimmer is not over rated by any means.

Now the style of my system is a single low lying bommie, it looks pretty cool, I will have to upload a pic or 2 soon. The corals are looking better by the day, and the hopes for a minimalist display are in the works :)

reefmutt
07/28/2017, 08:44 AM
Wow, that's very interesting about the faux rock. I guess if it were made out of a concrete type material, it could leach buffering compounds.. I guess in a larger system, or one with more corals and growth, one might not even notice..
There is obviously a sweet spot for biomedia.. you seem to have found it, Perry.
Looking forward to new scape pics..

plyle02
07/28/2017, 08:55 AM
Wow, that's very interesting about the faux rock. I guess if it were made out of a concrete type material, it could leach buffering compounds.. I guess in a larger system, or one with more corals and growth, one might not even notice..
There is obviously a sweet spot for biomedia.. you seem to have found it, Perry.
Looking forward to new scape pics..

Yes,
12 years at sps keeping, I literally thought I was going mad... And yes, I have read about mineral leaching, but I did not think it would grow this fast. Combining daily alk increase with new corals is a no no, and I am lucky any corals are still alive, lol.. I scanned my 16 sps corals, a week ago, I though maybe I would end up with around 10-11, about 5 corals looked awe full. I now see PE in all but 1, and thinking I will recover on all but maybe one, it is holding in there too, so maybe not. I am stable at 8dkh now, but wanting to see it drop to around 6.8-7.2dkh, and hold. I suspect that as the corals begin to grow and become healthy, they will start consuming, then I will go online with comp 123 system. The biological media seems to like a constant source of water flowing through it to become effective. Perhaps many tune their flow rate too low as well, I am moving a fair amount of water over and through the media, it is also detritus free this way. Funny thing about it is that even my 120 gallon would never go ULNS, close, but that is why I think my corals maintained the saturation. Cheers Matt :beer:

reefmutt
07/29/2017, 12:54 PM
Maybe flow is the issue.
I added a couple small powerheads to my bio sump.. didn't seem to help much but maybe it just didn't push enough through the media. The reactor method is probably more efficient.
Glad your tank is rebounding well!

plyle02
07/30/2017, 10:09 AM
Sharing some angles of the reef structure update, corals still on the brown side. Now the alk is stable and under 8.0dkh, I think the corals will settle and then begin to color, at least I hope so :)

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reefmutt
07/30/2017, 03:24 PM
Nice Perry, I really like the head on shot.
Gonna be very cool soon enough.

Oldude
07/30/2017, 11:58 PM
Your tank looks good and loaded with potential Perry.

plyle02
07/31/2017, 07:08 AM
Nice Perry, I really like the head on shot.
Gonna be very cool soon enough.

Thanks Matt, I am having fun with this little setup :) I really love how Andrew(Biggles) has a low lying style shallow display, you see such little rock work in his setup. I like how he places corals on different rocks then sort of places them, as the corals grow, all you see is acro on acro after acro, this is what shows such vibrancy in his array of colors :) My intent now instead of the original pyramid design has forced this outcome. Soon we shall see :)

Your tank looks good and loaded with potential Perry.

Greg,
Thank you for looking in on my new setup, a smaller one indeed, but I am still in the hobby and stoked to try something new. I see that things are coming back around for you as well, so I will have my eyes peeled looking for updates. Hopefully I can get these corals to grow my friend! This setup does have some potential, so fingers crossed :)

Wrangy
07/31/2017, 06:47 PM
Groovy as Perry! Definitely really interesting to hear about the faux rock doing that as I used the same rock but didn't face those issues. Maybe there was something in the batch that was causing an excess leaching! It's good that you're not crazy though :lol:

plyle02
08/02/2017, 07:36 AM
Groovy as Perry! Definitely really interesting to hear about the faux rock doing that as I used the same rock but didn't face those issues. Maybe there was something in the batch that was causing an excess leaching! It's good that you're not crazy though :lol:


Hey Mate,
I did my do diligence in eliminating possibilities, I documented test after test for about 2 months. Each week before a 20% water change, I saw 1.5dkh increases, without any dosing. Given I have frags and the demand would be low, I knew I should slowly see alk decrease throughout the week, and likely a 25% water change would suffice until they took off. I finally decided to do some research, the only thing that I could logically think of is something sourcing alk back into the water. I checked RODI and it was like it should be, zero. So I pulled all decorative rock except one small piece, it too was later found to be leaching in very small amounts. I tested the bin where I stored the decorative rock and noticed that the alk climbed in that tank, whereas my display started to slowly stabilize. Not sure what or why, and up to this point, I have never really had anything negative with RRR. In a larger system with larger corals, likely you would never detect. Anyway, my structure was reduced to one single larger shelf of Fiji live rock, that was air freighted in, I will only use real live rock with any new display moving forward, some drawbacks, but paling in comparison to the benefits :) Cheers

Zoahoarder
08/04/2017, 01:55 PM
Dang that's crazy how the rock was leaching alk. Glad you found the source of the problem so you can get some sps in the tank. Looks great by the way.

plyle02
08/05/2017, 10:50 AM
Balance and low nutrients bringing in some color shifts, thanks for looking.

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Ucantwin
08/05/2017, 05:50 PM
Looking good!

Wrangy
08/09/2017, 12:43 AM
Gettin' groovy Perry :)