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steve1981
05/25/2017, 02:39 PM
Hi. Had my lipstick about a month now. Been absolutely fine and happy. Eating loads and no signs of problem. This morning and all today however he has been staying in one of three different spots barely moving. Sometimes he'll have an energy spurt and start moving his fins and looks like he's getting better but then goes quiet again.

He has developed some strange colouring on his body, I thought it was scrapes from where he buries himself into the rock at night but I'm not so sure now. He's eyes look creamy and I'm worried. Any ideas?

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steve1981
05/25/2017, 02:41 PM
I did have a sea apple which I have literally just got rid of just in case and thought it might be that but my other fish are absolutely fine.


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steve1981
05/25/2017, 02:42 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170525/72903f581cad9e36fd85c1e63cdf6bff.jpg

He looks dead!!! (He ain't, he is breathing. Faster than normal too)


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steve1981
05/25/2017, 02:55 PM
Tank parameters are all within range however nitrates a little high at 20 but started NO3PO4X again two days ago. Could it be that?

I also stared dosing Red Sea powder mix solution for Alk, Mg and Cantwo days ago.

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steve1981
05/25/2017, 03:07 PM
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steve1981
05/25/2017, 05:31 PM
49 views and not a single reply. Thanks guys. Don't bother now, I've had to dispatch him.


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sde1500
05/25/2017, 05:39 PM
Sorry you felt the need to do that. Odd you assume the people that viewed this knew what to do. Would you have preferred 49 posts of "I have no idea could you take a more clear picture?"

steve1981
05/25/2017, 11:27 PM
She was definitely going to do I think. Looked like crabs had already started to eat her fins and when she burst away from then she just flopped on the flow and blew all over the place. Poor thing.

I know and was just a little upset that no one had replied yet. I know people in he know might not have seen it yet, was just disappointed. Despite that, it's ironic that if a post is not the best, there are normally replies almost instantly queuing up to tell someone how they're doing something wrong and belittling them. #knowfromexperience.


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j_mazzy
05/25/2017, 11:58 PM
flukes?

booyaa138
05/26/2017, 02:53 PM
Did you QT before putting the fish in your display tank?

steve1981
05/26/2017, 02:54 PM
No booya, I got it from quite a reputable shop who quarantine them themselves.


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booyaa138
05/26/2017, 02:58 PM
next time you need to QT or TTM. I used to do the same thing but learned my lesson. It took 2 different times and I lost all my all my fish and had to start over. Never trust the shop you buy from. Human error happens all the time.

steve1981
05/26/2017, 03:00 PM
What's TTM? How long do you normally QT for?


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booyaa138
05/26/2017, 03:05 PM
Tank Transfer Method. I do TTM because it's easier on the fish then adding chemicals.
After that I QT and watch the fish. Make sure they are eating. I add them to the display tank anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks from when I get them.

Read this post and I will give you info on it
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2388428

lagatbezan
05/26/2017, 03:06 PM
what size tank was it in and what are the tank mates?
cloudy eyes is usually a symptom of flukes or bacterial infection.
I dont have a lot of personal experience with naso tangs but from what I have read they tend to have a low survival rate due to poor collection methods used to catch them and the use of cyanide depending where they are from.

steve1981
05/26/2017, 04:14 PM
Yeah someone else mentioned flukes.

Where as I would love to be able to QT like that, I can't see myself buying a fish and then not being able to see it (in its full glory) for 6 weeks.

It's a 100g 5 foot long. No other if players in there and he weren't that big. That's what gets me is he has been perfectly fine for a month. Eating fine. Playing fine. Even eating out of my hand. Then over a couple of days deteriorated.


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steve1981
05/26/2017, 04:16 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170526/1bbc2239ebb9904a104cafffe6acb23e.jpg

He looks a bit skinny. That was a couple of weeks ago. He fattened up a bit after that and that skinny line went.


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scuzy
05/26/2017, 05:03 PM
Flukes are silent killers. They attach to fish gills eventual eat away their gills causing them breathing issues.


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booyaa138
05/26/2017, 05:34 PM
If your not willing to QT then you might have alot of problems. You could get lucky but it will catch up to you sooner or later.
Also your tank is way to small for a Naso tang.

steve1981
05/27/2017, 02:03 AM
Is there any practical alternative to QT for a month and a half? Like freshwater dipping and QT for a week? Or something similar? I'm guessing people have come up with different methods over time just wondered what other options there were.

Yes a couple of people have said that on here before, however I have also been told by many that for the size it was, it's perfectly fine. Not everyone has room for a 1000g tank and still keep them for years. My friend has had one in a 100 for 10 years and is perfectly happy.


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Puffyluv
05/27/2017, 03:43 AM
Would love to know more about what your friend is doing differently...you say they have a fish that gets 18 inches in a tank only 18" wide for 10 years? How big is the fish now?

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steve1981
05/27/2017, 05:42 AM
It's not massive. I thought they grew to the size of the tank. It's not small but it's certainly not massive.


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Puffyluv
05/27/2017, 06:39 AM
Tangs don't grow to the size of the tank...well, they do, but their internal organs still grow, and they eventually die from it. You can see it in the eye...it will be bigger than the same size fish wild collected. Really curious about this, since it is absolutely not the norm!

So sorry about your fish, OP. :(

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A sea K
05/27/2017, 07:47 AM
Flukes are silent killers. They attach to fish gills eventual eat away their gills causing them breathing issues.


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How long does it take flukes to manifest? The OP stated he's had this fish for a month before any problems developed. I ask because I'm experiencing similar problems and do not know the cause.

steve1981
05/27/2017, 08:00 AM
How long does it take flukes to manifest? The OP stated he's had this fish for a month before any problems developed. I ask because I'm experiencing similar problems and do not know the cause.



If it helps, and if it was in fact Flukes, discolouration started 2 days before deterioration.


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A sea K
05/28/2017, 07:15 AM
It has been nearly 6 weeks since I've added anything to an otherwise healthy system, in the last week I've lost 1/2 of my fish. I suspected flukes and have treated my DT and things seemed to be settling down as I've had no more deaths in the last few days where previously I was losing fish daily.
I assumed after 6 weeks I was in the clear and by the time I realized I was having a problem I lost most of the fish before I could administer any form of treatment.

steve1981
05/28/2017, 10:34 AM
I have just had a false clown die and one of my maroons and panther grouper is missing. Quick, how do I treat this bloody flukes!?


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lagatbezan
05/28/2017, 11:00 AM
If it is flukes you need to use prazipro. Make sure you airate your water well since it tends to lower the oxygen level in the water.

scuzy
05/28/2017, 11:00 AM
Prazi pro would work for flukes. It's reef safe too.


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steve1981
05/28/2017, 12:02 PM
Oh ok. So I can just dump that in the DT?


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scuzy
05/28/2017, 12:07 PM
Yes


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steve1981
05/28/2017, 01:48 PM
Awesome thank you. Will post my results.


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steve1981
05/28/2017, 01:50 PM
Is this a similar thing? http://www.h2oaquatics.co.uk/additives-1/sera-med-pro-tremazol-100ml

Can't seem to find prazipro in the uk

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ca1ore
05/28/2017, 03:14 PM
Hard to say with naso tangs. They can get a white blotchy appearance to their skin just from stress, so doesn't necessarily mean flukes. Best way to determine that is a FW dip and see what drops off. Cloudy eyes (both of them) can be an indicator of a bacterial infection, so that'd be my guess.

Either way, quarantine is highly recommended, particularly for tangs - impatience is not well rewarded in this hobby. Tank size is fine for a while though it will outgrow a 5 footer.

steve1981
05/28/2017, 04:08 PM
Thank you ca1ore. I appreciate your comments. I may come across as heartless and even cruel as I have been called on here before, but I of course would sell on any fish that I believed was too big for the tank. I see a regal the other day that was smaller than my thumbnail, and from experience (of keeping a regal tang of moderate young adult size in a 30 litre nano perfectly fine for 3 years, it subsequently died after getting a 120l tank. That is why I'm sceptical when people say 'oh that tank is too small') it is going to be a totally adequate size for some time, albeit until it comes of age and size when it is too big. That thumbnail would probably last 4-5 years until it outgrew the tank. And by then may be in a new bigger tank, and if not sold on or given away. I don't believe people can say 'that tank is too small' because it's simply not always the case but the easiest thing to say.


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carrots
05/28/2017, 06:02 PM
I would blame the NO3POX4. I dosed a tank with the recommended amount and the next morning the water was cloudy and fish were at the surface trying to breath. Did you get any cloudy water after using the product? Lack of oxygen. If you did you really need to increase air to the tank when using it. In the future when **** happens think "large water change." Sorry to hear of your loss.

steve1981
05/28/2017, 06:23 PM
I don't think any cloudiness, but then I am dosing the sump so can't really see. I'm gonna leave off it for a bit and see if anything else bloody dies. Lol. Thanks carrots.


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