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FinnCole
05/30/2017, 09:58 AM
A porcupine puffer
dogface puffer
star and stripes puffer
Picasso trigger
emperor angel
flame angel
one spot foxface
Toby puffer
Zebra eel
Snowflake eel
Volitan lionfish
Fuzzy dwarf lionfish
Maroon clownfish
Kole tang
Green spotted puffer


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marleesan
05/30/2017, 10:16 AM
That's a lot of puffers. If you only had one puffer I would say 8' 240 gallon minimum. For all three puffers at least 500 gallons

FinnCole
05/30/2017, 10:37 AM
That's a lot of puffers. If you only had one puffer I would say 8' 240 gallon minimum. For all three puffers at least 500 gallons
How much would it be without the toby puffer the maroon clown and the kole tang

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FinnCole
05/30/2017, 10:40 AM
I don't have to get the kole tang since it is in my grandparents 30 gallon and has been in there for years. But I thought that it might be happier in my tank which I am not sure on size on yet

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marleesan
05/30/2017, 11:55 AM
The issue is the three big puffers. The puffer and clown don't make an impact on the size needed

BigBlueTang
05/30/2017, 02:59 PM
I think at a minimum 500g, maybe even more. That's an incredibly aggressive tank, and unless you had a massive aquarium, with the funds to keep it fed and filtered...

anbosu
05/30/2017, 03:41 PM
I'd say 10x3 base if you don't want to likely have problems. As others have said, if you drop the stars and stripes and porcupine puffer a 240 would probably be sufficient, although you may end up with aggression issues from the imperator at some point.

Sounds Fishy
05/30/2017, 05:47 PM
I think at a minimum 500g, maybe even more. That's an incredibly aggressive tank, and unless you had a massive aquarium, with the funds to keep it fed and filtered...

You could say..."unless you had a massive aquarium,with massive funds to buy food and filtration ..." That is a lot of fish. btw,I would scratch maroon clown off the list.Most seem to be trouble makers(why ask for trouble?)

Dromon
05/30/2017, 05:55 PM
500 gallons seems reasonable for so many large fish. If it were me I would cut down to one puffer and lose the clown trigger and Emperor from potential aggression.

That's a good point many made about the cost of food. Many of those fish will require regularly trips to the seafood store. On top of that Puffers are notoriously messy eaters so nutrient export will have to be heavy.

FinnCole
05/30/2017, 06:18 PM
500 gallons seems reasonable for so many large fish. If it were me I would cut down to one puffer and lose the clown trigger and Emperor from potential aggression.

That's a good point many made about the cost of food. Many of those fish will require regularly trips to the seafood store. On top of that Puffers are notoriously messy eaters so nutrient export will have to be heavy.
I said Picasso trigger not a clown. I know how big clowns get

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FinnCole
05/30/2017, 06:19 PM
You could say..."unless you had a massive aquarium,with massive funds to buy food and filtration ..." That is a lot of fish. btw,I would scratch maroon clown off the list.Most seem to be trouble makers(why ask for trouble?)
I only wanted a maroon clown cause my Mam wanted a clownfish.

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FinnCole
05/30/2017, 06:27 PM
The issue is the three big puffers. The puffer and clown don't make an impact on the size needed
I really love porcupines I will cut out ever the dogface or the star and stripes puffer. Which one would makes a better fish

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marleesan
05/30/2017, 06:29 PM
I would only keep one big puffer to keep the bioload and more importantly the aggression down

FinnCole
05/30/2017, 06:35 PM
This is the video that gave me the idea for the tank

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FinnCole
05/30/2017, 06:36 PM
https://youtu.be/T9kKcIDTt_s

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marleesan
05/30/2017, 08:31 PM
That tank is way overstocked. The trigger and angel (just to name a few) have no place in that tank

Achilles Torben
05/31/2017, 12:35 AM
Lion and triggers does not work together. I often read that in this forum.

Greetings Torben

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 04:51 AM
That tank is way overstocked. The trigger and angel (just to name a few) have no place in that tank
The clown trigger ?

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 04:52 AM
How many gallons should that tank be ?

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 05:32 AM
Ok I talked to my Mam we decided to go with a tank for only big puffers so all the puffers I mentioned on that list (we might switch ever the star and stripes or dogface for a golden puffer)

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marleesan
05/31/2017, 05:46 AM
You still need over a 500 gallon tank. Those puffers will be territorial

nereefpat
05/31/2017, 09:54 AM
That tank is way overstocked.

Way... along with some poor individual choices for fish, and fishes that aren't very compatible together.

A tank needed to house that stocklist would need to be huge...much bigger than I would be willing to set up at my parents' house and have to move in the near future.

How old are you (how long will you be around to take care of the tank in the current house) ?

FinnCole
05/31/2017, 11:25 AM
Way... along with some poor individual choices for fish, and fishes that aren't very compatible together.

A tank needed to house that stocklist would need to be huge...much bigger than I would be willing to set up at my parents' house and have to move in the near future.

How old are you (how long will you be around to take care of the tank in the current house) ?
I am not saying my age all you need to know is I am at high school but I am not the only one in the house who wants the tank. I will be around for another 6 to 12 years

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 11:28 AM
How big of tank for just a green spotted puffer a porcupine and a dogface/star and stripes/golden puffer ? So only 2 big puffers

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marleesan
05/31/2017, 11:55 AM
at least 300 gallons I would say. Puffers don't love other puffers

Achilles Torben
05/31/2017, 12:55 PM
It is possible that only puffers will be boring for you in the next years.

Greetings Torben

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 12:56 PM
at least 300 gallons I would say. Puffers don't love other puffers
I know that but I have never seen any puffers being aggressive towards each over. I have only heard of one puffer killing another in a tank and that was a golden puffer killing a mappa puffer. Alot of video of aggressive tanks I see usually have a porcupine puffer and another arothron puffer (usually a star and stripes or dogface)


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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 01:03 PM
It is possible that only puffers will be boring for you in the next years.

Greetings Torben

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I have loved puffers since I was 3 and I saw one at a LFS with my grandparents it was a porcupine puffer and i really loved it. I wanted to buy it but I did not understand the difference between fresh and salt water so when my grand dad told me it was saltwater I wanted to buy some salt in my goldfish tank do I could get him my parents would not let me

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 01:04 PM
Put some salt in my goldfish tank not buy the autocorrect on my phone is messed up

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nereefpat
05/31/2017, 02:02 PM
I am not saying my age all you need to know is I am at high school

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Why not? I wouldn't berate someone for being a certain age, and it seems relevant in this discussion to me.

Anyway, don't take everything you see on youtube as good advice...or the internet in general for that matter. This site is, at least somewhat, peer reviewed.

BigBlueTang
05/31/2017, 05:38 PM
Why not? I wouldn't berate someone for being a certain age, and it seems relevant in this discussion to me.

Anyway, don't take everything you see on youtube as good advice...or the internet in general for that matter. This site is, at least somewhat, peer reviewed.

I agree with that.. I'm in high school too, I'm 17. Everyone on this board has been extremely helpful to me, and as long as the discussions are mature, people usually won't even realize your age. This entire thread seems like you see a fish you like, and you want to keep it in your home, which is completely fine, as that's the basis of aquarium keeping. But, the question shouldn't be "what is the minimum size tank I can cram all these fish into", because that's not healthy for the fish, and they'll likely die, which won't make you happy either. Take our advice, and get the biggest tank you can afford, and take good care of it. Maintaining large tanks is not cheap, and it's a massive step up from the 22 gallon you have. Water changes on a 180 gallon tank can likely cost between $50-70 a month, which gets pricey fast. Big pufferfish are amazing animals, but they are animals who need to be respected and they need their space. Anything that is big enough to hold 2-3 big puffers is likely going to be custom, and cost easily $4000+. That's not factoring in the stand, and the filtration required to house the massive bioload puffers come with, won't be cheap either. I know the position that you're in, as I still live with my parents as well, and price is always the first point brought up. A tank large enough to hold these fish... That's going to be a hell of a sales pitch if you can pull that off to your parents.

FinnCole
05/31/2017, 05:47 PM
I agree with that.. I'm in high school too, I'm 17. Everyone on this board has been extremely helpful to me, and as long as the discussions are mature, people usually won't even realize your age. This entire thread seems like you see a fish you like, and you want to keep it in your home, which is completely fine, as that's the basis of aquarium keeping. But, the question shouldn't be "what is the minimum size tank I can cram all these fish into", because that's not healthy for the fish, and they'll likely die, which won't make you happy either. Take our advice, and get the biggest tank you can afford, and take good care of it. Maintaining large tanks is not cheap, and it's a massive step up from the 22 gallon you have. Water changes on a 180 gallon tank can likely cost between $50-70 a month, which gets pricey fast. Big pufferfish are amazing animals, but they are animals who need to be respected and they need their space. Anything that is big enough to hold 2-3 big puffers is likely going to be custom, and cost easily $4000+. That's not factoring in the stand, and the filtration required to house the massive bioload puffers come with, won't be cheap either. I know the position that you're in, as I still live with my parents as well, and price is always the first point brought up. A tank large enough to hold these fish... That's going to be a hell of a sales pitch if you can pull that off to your parents.
I know how expensive these things are my budget is 5000 so about $6300. Cause that's what I expected a 200 gallon to cost my original plan was to get a red sea reefer 750 litre XXL. I knew I could get a bigger custom tank cheaper but it seemed like it would be difficult and stressful

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marleesan
05/31/2017, 05:50 PM
If you want to go with that tank, you're going to need to make a fish list around that size tank. That means only ONE puffer and no big angel. If you want to focus on the fish list, youre going to need a huge custom tank

FinnCole
05/31/2017, 05:53 PM
The reason I can get the tank is cause my Mam fell in love with a porcupine puffer she saw at a LFS. I know how big this project would be so I may just get a porcupine and a narrow line puffer. That should be ok in a 200 right since narrow lines are the simplest arothron puffer and usually reach about 8/10 inches in captivity and about 12 in the wild they are also alot Skinner than other arothrons.

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 05:53 PM
I ment to say smallest not simplest my phone has horrible auto correct

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marleesan
05/31/2017, 05:56 PM
Two puffers in a 200 gallon tank will not work. It just wont. Look at any site, puffers are a "no" for compatability. Also, the tank is 160 gallons, which is even more of a bad idea for two puffers

BigBlueTang
05/31/2017, 05:56 PM
I know how expensive these things are my budget is 5000 so about $6300. Cause that's what I expected a 200 gallon to cost my original plan was to get a red sea reefer 750 litre XXL. I knew I could get a bigger custom tank cheaper but it seemed like it would be difficult and stressful

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Okay, cool. Red Sea Reefer 750 XXL only is 160 gallons in the display. It's not even big enough for one of those pufferfish, maybe the a porcupine if you really want to cram it in there. Plus, it comes with reef lighting, something you've said does not interest you. There's no point in spending 1k on 4 hydra 26's when all you need is a simple strip light to see your fish. I'd recommend going custom, but the only problem is the tank itself will go over your budget, not including plumbing, filtration, sump, water changes, feeding, etc... I've never ordered a custom tank, but judging from the experiences I've read about, it's usually really easy to get custom tanks, as the people who are building them are usually very nice.

Just saw your new posts. Sorry man, 2 puffers in a 160 won't work. I wouldn't go with the Red Sea line, as they're really geared towards reef tanks, not FOWLRs.

FinnCole
05/31/2017, 05:56 PM
If you want to go with that tank, you're going to need to make a fish list around that size tank. That means only ONE puffer and no big angel. If you want to focus on the fish list, youre going to need a huge custom tank
Ok so the 1 puffer will be a porcupine what over fish on the list can go in the 200 gallon with it ? I really like arothron puffers so would a narrow line work ?

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FinnCole
05/31/2017, 05:59 PM
BigBlueTang how many gallons is your biggest tank since you live with your parents to and how many tanks do you have

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marleesan
05/31/2017, 05:59 PM
I would really recommend a narrow line over the porcupine. You want your fish to be happy and that puffer will not be happy in a tank that small

BigBlueTang
05/31/2017, 06:01 PM
Ok so the 1 puffer will be a porcupine what over fish on the list can go in the 200 gallon with it ? I really like arothron puffers so would a narrow line work ?

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Nope. The Red Sea Reefer 750 XXL is 200 gallons total water volume. The display is only 160 gallons. Any compatibility chart you look at, pufferfish are not compatible with each other. Usually having a massive tank will offset that, but a 160 is far from massive. Here's the compatability chart I used:http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/compatibility_chart.cfm

BigBlueTang
05/31/2017, 06:02 PM
BigBlueTang how many gallons is your biggest tank since you live with your parents to and how many tanks do you have

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The biggest tank I have is a 75. I have a total of three tanks, my display, my fish QT, and my frag tank is being set up. I'm not saying I have the 500 gallon tank I'm telling you these fish need, but I'm not trying to keep massive fish in them either.

FinnCole
05/31/2017, 07:11 PM
I would really recommend a narrow line over the porcupine. You want your fish to be happy and that puffer will not be happy in a tank that small
A 200 gallon is not enough for a porcupine?

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marleesan
05/31/2017, 07:21 PM
The tank is not 200 gallons, its 160 gallons

nereefpat
05/31/2017, 08:40 PM
I don't think the red sea reefer 750 xxl is the tank you want. It's dimensions are basically the same as a standard 180 gallon, but a foot less long.

Can you get your hands on a standard 240? Those shouldn't be that bad, price wise. Or is there a standard tank size that is 6' x 30" for a footprint?

FinnCole
05/31/2017, 08:44 PM
I don't think the red sea reefer 750 xxl is the tank you want. It's dimensions are basically the same as a standard 180 gallon, but a foot less long.

Can you get your hands on a standard 240? Those shouldn't be that bad, price wise. Or is there a standard tank size that is 6' x 30" for a footprint?
I would probably get a 240 custom made

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humaguy
06/01/2017, 05:14 AM
To me it sounds as if you are working backwards. First get the tank up and running and then start thinking about what to put in it. Coming up with a "dream list" and then getting a tank that is too small to house it will only lead to headaches down the road. Good luck

sde1500
06/01/2017, 07:05 AM
^^ This, or actually buy the right size tank for the stock list you want, long as the stock list is reasonable.

FinnCole
06/01/2017, 07:10 AM
Is a 180 enough for a porcupine puffer with no other fish?

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marleesan
06/01/2017, 08:27 AM
I would say that is the bare minimum. I would do a 240 for a porcupine

rockhead51
06/01/2017, 11:32 AM
Finn, relax buddy. Listen to what everyone is saying. It's not "too many fish" it is the type. I know you have your heart set on specific fish. That's ok. But then you start with the tank size and go from there. You are going to double your tank cost just to get up and running. Talk it over with your folks. It's a lot better to confront your limitations now than it will be to deal with a broken heart after you have stressed, dead, beat up fish after having spent $10,000.
Make it a long-term goal, work your way up. It'll keep you and you Mom close as you both get older....
And please remember people are trying to give you their best, not beat you down.

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Gweeds
06/01/2017, 04:44 PM
Mate, I've seen a few posts from you recently regarding tank sizes etc. As a lot of the posts say, either start with the tank you want and then work out a stocking list OR get the tank you need for the stock list you want...

Given your original stock list I honestly wouldn't put that lot together in anything under 5000 litres. I have 1200 litres in just over 8 feet of tank and the only fish in your list I have is the maroon clowns.. . My biggest fish is an orange shoulder tang... I have considered a vlamingi but don't think I have the room.

Think about it this way... how big a slice of the reef would you need to take to pick up enough natural habitat for all those fish? You're talking millions of gallons... so why squeeze them into less than 0.1% of that?

I'm not trying to bring you down, but unless you're gonna make your living room water tight, you need to be realistic and fair to the fish you wanna keep.

Having said that, a 750xxl isn't big enough for the puffers you clearly love... go custom, you can get what you want and cheaper than off the shelf...

Get a couple of quotes, it'll cost you nothing and you'll see the difference in price.

For reference, mine cost 900 4 years ago, that included tank, drilling, weirs and sump.

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