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Pprice01
06/09/2017, 12:30 PM
Going to cut over 100 Acros at the base and move them to frag tanks for a cycle of Bayer dips.

That will leave me with a ton of food for the AEFW left in the tank from all of the encrusted bases.

I have an anemone explosion that needs to be removed.

I have some GSP as well - from a bad decision in the beginning of this build.

Given the above situation I was thinking of doing the following and would like your thoughts:

Remove all the rocks that have encrusted acro bases on them and place them in a brute can of NSW. Cover the can with only a powerhead inside to eliminate the light but keep some circulation. No heater because the house stays between 74-80 every day and I'm only trying to keep the rock's bacteria alive - just want to kill the Acros as a food source for the AEFW.

Remove the rocks with GSP and give them a nice bath in acid to kill the GSP. Then baking soda to neutralize the acid - then rinse and soak a few times over three days and then back into the tank with the other rock and livestock that remained in the tank during this little adventure.

Remove the rocks with anemones and remove the anemones and sell them off - if there are also acro bases on these rocks - they go into the brute can to kill the acro bases by eliminating light. If they have GSP they get the acid bath. If they have only the anemones the rocks can go directly back into the tank once the anemones are removed.

Once these things are done I will rescale and reintroduce the Acros upon their completion of the Bayer dip schedule.

Am I crazy or on the right track or good to go with this plan?

Thanks for reading this long post, I appreciate any and all feedback.

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coker98
06/09/2017, 12:35 PM
I'd start with some aefw predatory fish and turkey basting to blow the aefw off the coral.

Unless you're wanting to overhaul, which you've mentioned for a while now, then it's time to break down.

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Jndragon79
06/09/2017, 12:35 PM
damn, large suck. u just got over an infestation in mine. I think you are doing the right moves. make sure you go fallow a minimum of 2 months. do you have any wrasses? if not, get some to eat the stragglers and those roaming that are trying to find a host

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Pprice01
06/09/2017, 12:39 PM
I'd start with some aefw predatory fish and turkey basting to blow the aefw off the coral.

Unless you're wanting to overhaul, which you've mentioned for a while now, then it's time to break down.

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Hello Curtis! You are Johnny on the spot today! I've never actually seen them on any of my Acros, nor any eggs like the pictures I've seen online in my research. So blowing them off hasn't yielded anything.

I see some critters after the Bayer dips, including some worms that look like AEFW.

There are tons of 'healthy' or 'thriving' Acros in the tank and I can see any indications of rotting bases or egg sacks on any of them.

I have the following pest-predator wrasses in the tank:

Melanarus
Yellow Coris
Red Coris
Leopard
Mystery

Not sure what else to do at this point.

Thanks,

Paul


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Pprice01
06/09/2017, 12:40 PM
damn, large suck. u just got over an infestation in mine. I think you are doing the right moves. make sure you go fallow a minimum of 2 months. do you have any wrasses? if not, get some to eat the stragglers and those roaming that are trying to find a host

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Thanks for the reply. I've got the following wrasses:

Yellow and red Coris
Leopard
Melanarus
Mystery

Paul



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reefmutt
06/09/2017, 12:54 PM
Well.. looking at your tank, what you want to do seems like a daunting task..
But there is no way to get the anemones and gsp out without doing what you outline above.
It is a sound approach, I think, if you want to go that route.
You could also try adding 30-50 Caribbean peppermint shrimp. They are extremely effective aefw egg eaters and between blasting the adults and the shrimp eating the eggs, you could probably bring the aefw population down to near zero. Not sure if the Tusk will have them for lunch, though.

tamama
06/09/2017, 01:00 PM
Zeovit flatworm stop.

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Pprice01
06/09/2017, 01:06 PM
Zeovit flatworm stop.

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Thank you for the suggestion!

Been dosing that and the coral booster for about 6 weeks or more now. No idea if it's doing anything.


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tamama
06/09/2017, 01:07 PM
Thank you for the suggestion!

Been dosing that and the coral booster for about 6 weeks or more now. No idea if it's doing anything.


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It will. Just dose it for a few months with wrasse. Aefw will be clear in time.

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Pprice01
06/09/2017, 01:08 PM
Well.. looking at your tank, what you want to do seems like a daunting task..
But there is no way to get the anemones and gsp out without doing what you outline above.
It is a sound approach, I think, if you want to go that route.
You could also try adding 30-50 Caribbean peppermint shrimp. They are extremely effective aefw egg eaters and between blasting the adults and the shrimp eating the eggs, you could probably bring the aefw population down to near zero. Not sure if the Tusk will have them for lunch, though.



Thanks Reefmutt. Any ideas are welcome. Might add them anyway to give me one more option at getting the little bastards!


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undertai
06/09/2017, 01:33 PM
Dr. G's works and can be used in tank, it's not recommended by the bottle. But I have used in tank and several others with good results. Only thing I lost was some of my hermit crabs


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undertai
06/09/2017, 01:34 PM
It's call dr. G's coral dip


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Bpb
06/09/2017, 02:35 PM
You have a beautiful tank but if I were in your shoes I'd be itching for an overhaul. At glance it looks amazing. But I'd also be getting annoyed at the polyps, and gsp, and anemones. I am in support of the overhaul approach as well. The big risk here is colonies triggering an stn/Rtn event from all the moving and having everything go up in smoke. If you have any friends that can quarantine some frags for you just as a safeguard that would be ideal. Otherwise I'd do what you're planning. Remove everything. Blackout period for a while to kill everything but no photosynthesic life. Medicate the acros. Rebuild the scape with only rocks and acros. It'll take a while but you'll be happier with all the filler corals oit


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Pprice01
06/09/2017, 04:01 PM
Thanks everyone. I will be passing some colonies that I wish to keep to friends with established tanks so that once I'm back up and running I can frag them some hefty branches for their time and trouble and return my favorites to my tank.

How long in darkness should I keep the Acros to achieve a complete kill?


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Jndragon79
06/09/2017, 04:30 PM
Make sure you let your friends now about the AEFW infestation you have? You don't want to inadvertently infect your friends tanks as well. I would just invest in some cheap 40 breeder tanks from Petco the next time they do a sale. Or if you have the funds, go buy a rubber maid trough from a Home improvement or tractor supply and put your colonies in that with a skimmer and a powerhead for flow. I had my friend do this while we moved his tank and he filled his up pretty quickly.
As for black out time, that honestly depends on the coral. If you can, try and pull the rock out and pour vinegar on the encrusted parts. If that is not doable, you can always putty over or place a flat rock or object on the encrusted part.

Pprice01
06/09/2017, 04:38 PM
Make sure you let your friends now about the AEFW infestation you have? You don't want to inadvertently infect your friends tanks as well. I would just invest in some cheap 40 breeder tanks from Petco the next time they do a sale. Or if you have the funds, go buy a rubber maid trough from a Home improvement or tractor supply and put your colonies in that with a skimmer and a powerhead for flow. I had my friend do this while we moved his tank and he filled his up pretty quickly.
As for black out time, that honestly depends on the coral. If you can, try and pull the rock out and pour vinegar on the encrusted parts. If that is not doable, you can always putty over or place a flat rock or object on the encrusted part.



Thanks Jndragon.

I would never give my friends coral to hold even just thinking I might have problems without their knowledge. That would just put them in my position and that's not an option. I will either QT them in my systems first, or give them to people who have QT systems up and running who will dip them for me with full knowledge of what to do and how to do it.


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Jndragon79
06/09/2017, 04:46 PM
Sounds like a plan and I figured you knew what you were doing. I still get amazed at how some folks forget about that piece and the newly infected person post that they have AEFW now. Keep us posted on the progress. It sucks but the 2 months go by real fast. I lost a lot of my stuff to RTN because of the moving and what not, so just take your time and make sure the new tank matches the parameters of the old one. I miss my old colonies, but I really love my new stock and I'm just waiting for them to grow into colonies!!!

Pprice01
06/09/2017, 04:48 PM
Sounds like a plan and I figured you knew what you were doing. I still get amazed at how some folks forget about that piece and the newly infected person post that they have AEFW now. Keep us posted on the progress. It sucks but the 2 months go by real fast. I lost a lot of my stuff to RTN because of the moving and what not, so just take your time and make sure the new tank matches the parameters of the old one. I miss my old colonies, but I really love my new stock and I'm just waiting for them to grow into colonies!!!



Thank you!



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Piper27
06/10/2017, 10:40 AM
Did you say you have not seen any worms or any eggs? How do you know you have aefw? Is there visable damage?

If you actually have them I would turkey baster for a few weeks to get the numbers in check and make sure the acros are healthy and strong before dipping. Then I would do weekly dips from the tank and put them back after each dip. Once you have beat the aefw then you can overhaul and clean the rockwork. Doing it all at once is just asking for the corals to rtn ime. Also I would use revive or melafix so you can clearly see worms coming off the coral and it's much easier to do dips without worrying about Bayer getting into the tank and killing off stuff.

Also heard good things about flatwormstop and turkeybasting with it. Probably won't rid the tank of aefw but most people rarely see a spot with damage. I wouldnt bother spending the money on coral booster since flatwormstop stop does what it's supposed to do, they are just trying to sell an extra bottle if you ask me.

Undertai, Dr. G dip is for red bugs... Not an in tank treatment for aefw.

lynchmob3000
06/10/2017, 11:01 AM
Candy hog fish! They have a taste for aefw for sure!


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Pprice01
06/10/2017, 01:02 PM
Did you say you have not seen any worms or any eggs? How do you know you have aefw? Is there visable damage?



If you actually have them I would turkey baster for a few weeks to get the numbers in check and make sure the acros are healthy and strong before dipping. Then I would do weekly dips from the tank and put them back after each dip. Once you have beat the aefw then you can overhaul and clean the rockwork. Doing it all at once is just asking for the corals to rtn ime. Also I would use revive or melafix so you can clearly see worms coming off the coral and it's much easier to do dips without worrying about Bayer getting into the tank and killing off stuff.



Also heard good things about flatwormstop and turkeybasting with it. Probably won't rid the tank of aefw but most people rarely see a spot with damage. I wouldnt bother spending the money on coral booster since flatwormstop stop does what it's supposed to do, they are just trying to sell an extra bottle if you ask me.



Undertai, Dr. G dip is for red bugs... Not an in tank treatment for aefw.



Thanks Piper.

I saw some tissue damage on a few acros, but have so many that 90%+ have no signs.

I've never seen any eggs on any of the corals either.

When dipping the damaged corals some flatworms have come off - leading me to believe they were AEFW.

I have two frag tanks plumbed to the same system that I will move the cut corals to for the duration of the dipping process. I realize this is not ideal as they are not 100% separate systems, but it is what I have to work with.

If I don't remove the rocks with encrusted acro bases and kill the bases in darkness IMO it will take longer to eradicate the worms as they will have a large constant food source for months(that won't be dipped) to eat and multiply while I dip the colonies in the frag tanks.

I dipped everything in Coralrx pro when I introduced the Acros to the tank, but that failed so now it's Bayer for me. I pour out most of the dip solution after I'm done dipping corals and then add water to clear it up so that I can see what has been killed.




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Pprice01
06/10/2017, 01:03 PM
Candy hog fish! They have a taste for aefw for sure!


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Interesting. Will have to look into that. Thank You


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nashorn
06/10/2017, 03:08 PM
Problem with a lot of the AEFW fish/shimp is that's one of the last things it wants to eat. If you feed well they wont real go after them much.
I did talk to a guy that pickup 10 6 line and that seem to control the problem.
but 6 lines maybe a new problem with other wrasses.

Best you can do is control with a mix of fish, basting, removal if you see them or eggs, and Zovit flatworm stop. Lots of reefer live with them.

Do you have a manjo wand? if so just zap around the arco and you will see them running. you can zap them with it too but will leave a spot of the acro.

Piper27
06/10/2017, 03:35 PM
Frag tanks attached to the system is actually ideal imo. Same water really helps things stay stable and there is no need to move to another tank to dip the corals. A lot of people say this is best but I only suggest it if the other tank has similar water and is a very mature tank. It's just so hard/risky to move large acro colonies to other tanks all at once. Some will take a turn just from being positioned under a different light angle or flow and this is what aefw pretty on, weak acros.

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Pprice01
06/10/2017, 05:11 PM
Problem with a lot of the AEFW fish/shimp is that's one of the last things it wants to eat. If you feed well they wont real go after them much.

I did talk to a guy that pickup 10 6 line and that seem to control the problem.

but 6 lines maybe a new problem with other wrasses.



Best you can do is control with a mix of fish, basting, removal if you see them or eggs, and Zovit flatworm stop. Lots of reefer live with them.



Do you have a manjo wand? if so just zap around the arco and you will see them running. you can zap them with it too but will leave a spot of the acro.



Thanks. I can't see any on the corals themselves, and am dosing flatworm stop and coral booster daily.


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j_mazzy
06/10/2017, 06:18 PM
pipefish are known to eat acro bugs. usually redbugs, which for some reason seem to show up when treating aefw.

nashorn
06/10/2017, 07:18 PM
Thanks. I can't see any on the corals themselves, and am dosing flatworm stop and coral booster daily.


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Very hard to spot unless they are moving
Looks like a cloaked ship in startrak.....lol