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CoralsAddiction
07/05/2017, 10:18 PM
Looks like DD might have had a pair of Latz clowns for sale a couple of days ago. Does anyone know how much they sold for?

D-Nak
07/05/2017, 10:47 PM
$399 for the pair.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/itemdisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=363766&ref=4282&subref=AI&cmpid=E-_-TR-_-DDN-_-PRDCT

hottuna
07/06/2017, 04:06 AM
I wouldn't pay $3.99 for them...captive bred fish are ugly misfits...

CoralsAddiction
07/06/2017, 07:30 AM
$399 for the pair.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/itemdisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=363766&ref=4282&subref=AI&cmpid=E-_-TR-_-DDN-_-PRDCT

Seems to be a going rate for CB Latz pair.

D-Nak
07/06/2017, 09:36 AM
That pair doesn't look as bad as other Latz I've seen. :-)

OrionN
07/06/2017, 10:48 AM
The face is horrible, especially the higher one of the two. Huge lower jaw protrusion.

CoralsAddiction
07/06/2017, 11:40 AM
Sometimes beggars can't be choosers :)
Wild caught pair usually goes for $1700-$2000. If you want Latz clowns instead of cheaper wild caught species then options are pretty limited.

ThRoewer
07/06/2017, 02:35 PM
The face is horrible, especially the higher one of the two. Huge lower jaw protrusion.

At least they were not misbared like the ones you usually find. Though if I really wanted latezonatus I'd rather go for wilds.

D-Nak
07/06/2017, 04:08 PM
At least they were not misbared like the ones you usually find. Though if I really wanted latezonatus I'd rather go for wilds.

Yes! As they say... Go big or go home!

It looks like DD has a couple more pairs today.

CoralsAddiction
07/06/2017, 05:51 PM
Though if I really wanted latezonatus I'd rather go for wilds.
They're only $2,000 IF you can find them. Unicorn for most hobbyists.
https://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productdetailcc.asp?did=11&cid=365&pid=23624

ThRoewer
07/07/2017, 03:26 PM
They're only $2,000 IF you can find them. Unicorn for most hobbyists.
https://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productdetailcc.asp?did=11&cid=365&pid=23624
You can get them if you know who ask and have patience. Blue Zoo would not be my first choice for such a delicate and pricy fish.

I had a pair of them in the late 90s. Back then they were much more affordable. If I remember correctly it was just $250 for an adult pair.

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CoralsAddiction
07/07/2017, 04:02 PM
Blue Zoo would not be my first choice for such a delicate and pricy fish.



If I'm not mistaken BZA has been pretty much the only choice for wild caught Latz clowns on the west coast for the last 3-4 years at least. SDC gets tank raised ones but retail price is up there with DD...so $250 for a pair of wild caught Latz is no longer a reality.
What I'm hoping for is that we see more of them at a lower cost. It seems to be the case with Gem Tangs...they used to be $2k (LFS)-$3k(DD) and now you can get them for $900(LFS)-$1300 (DD) each.
I personally am a bigger fan of Leucs and Thiellei than Latz but wouldn't mind a pair of the latter species some day.

ThRoewer
07/07/2017, 05:03 PM
I would think Jordan could get them. And he treats his fish with antibiotics which is quite important with wild clowns.

Two weeks ago I found two nice wild Irian Jaya percula at AC (2 of 3 survivors of a larger shipment). One of them looked not too good but since they are hard to find and because this one hat a nice coloration I took a chance. By the time I had them home that one was breathing so fast that a formalin bath was out of the question. I didn't have much hope and kind of expected him to kick the bucket during the night, but decided to try a treatment with Bactrim (Septra) which had worked for me before for wild percula back in Germany.
Additionally to that I put them straight into hyposalinity, initially at a salinity of 1.016.
The next morning, the one I had already written off as loss was fine, breathing normal and eating ok. The other one had a bit stringy poo but was otherwise ok.
With the water change that day I lowered the salinity to 1.009 and gave them another dose of antibiotics.
The second one developed some lesions that looked like beginning Uronema or a bacterial infection. Since the fish behaved fine and didn't seem to be too much bothered I just continued the treatment and it hasn't gotten worse but rather started to heal. Both are eating like crazy now, but may still need some treatment against intestinal infections - rather bacterial than worms, so I will try metro first.
Right now I'm pretty hopeful that both will be fine... which brings me to the next problem: which tank to put them in :debi:

CoralsAddiction
07/08/2017, 12:01 PM
Two weeks ago I found two nice wild Irian Jaya percula at AC

Let's see some pics.

CoralsAddiction
07/08/2017, 12:06 PM
so three pairs of juvi Latz sold in the last few days. Hopefully we can see how they develop. I'm curious if they develop blue lips like their wild caught counterparts. Another thing I want to see is how wide their middle bars get vs wild.

pfan151
07/08/2017, 12:28 PM
Nyaquatics had some wild ones a couple weeks ago. They were $800 for the pair. I'm thinking of trying a pair of these captive ones next time a well formed pair pops up. Just debating whether I want to get rid of my current Percs. I'm assuming a pair of latz with a pair of Percs is a definite no go in a 90 with 2 Magnifica and 3 gigantea?

CoralsAddiction
07/08/2017, 01:26 PM
Nyaquatics had some wild ones a couple weeks ago. They were $800 for the pair. I'm thinking of trying a pair of these captive ones next time a well formed pair pops up. Just debating whether I want to get rid of my current Percs. I'm assuming a pair of latz with a pair of Percs is a definite no go in a 90 with 2 Magnifica and 3 gigantea?

Those weren't Latz clowns. They were latifasciatus clowns from Madagascar. I saw them on NYA's site.

ThRoewer
07/08/2017, 04:20 PM
Let's see some pics.
Pics come as soon as I get to take some.

so three pairs of juvi Latz sold in the last few days. Hopefully we can see how they develop. I'm curious if they develop blue lips like their wild caught counterparts. Another thing I want to see is how wide their middle bars get vs wild.

The last pair looked pretty good. If I had the money and space I might have taken them.

Breadman03
07/08/2017, 05:45 PM
I'd like to have a pair of Latz, and it's why I haven't gotten any clowns since my tank crash. Well, that and my weak moments haven't coincided with the very few occasions where I saw clowns that actually looked like clowns.

pfan151
07/08/2017, 06:41 PM
Well I'm weak and just grabbed these. I think they look pretty well formed from what in an see from the pic.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170709/9e701e691c8a64bb027098f4897bd483.jpg


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CoralsAddiction
07/08/2017, 06:51 PM
Well I'm weak and just grabbed these. I think they look pretty well formed from what in an see from the pic.
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Congrats. Keep us posted.

Breadman03
07/08/2017, 07:25 PM
Well I'm weak and just grabbed these. I think they look pretty well formed from what in an see from the pic.
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They look nice to me. Enjoy! :)

knot-hard
07/08/2017, 09:09 PM
I got the pair that went up on Thursday, scheduled to ship on Monday. I don't even have a tank for them to go in after quarantine.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170709/5579c2e6900cc3f9550e85717565d6e4.jpg

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pfan151
07/08/2017, 09:30 PM
I got the pair that went up on Thursday, scheduled to ship on Monday. I don't even have a tank for them to go in after quarantine.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170709/5579c2e6900cc3f9550e85717565d6e4.jpg

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Nice. I was thinking on those. I think those are the nicest pair they have had up but it may just be because it's a better pic than the ones I got. There was another pair a few days ago but one had a severe underbite.

I can't tell if there is something going on with the angle of the tails on the ones I ordered. I'm hoping it's just the way they were swimming when the pic was snapped.

knot-hard
07/10/2017, 10:54 PM
Looks like just the way they are swimming in that picture. These cb pairs look drastically different from the wc ones I got off dd years ago.
I got my shipping confirmation today, I'm super stoked for tomorrow morning.

CoralsAddiction
07/11/2017, 11:24 AM
I got my shipping confirmation today, I'm super stoked for tomorrow morning.

Nice. Do share some pics and vids with us if you have a chance.

Breadman03
07/11/2017, 11:33 AM
Looks like just the way they are swimming in that picture. These cb pairs look drastically different from the wc ones I got off dd years ago.
I got my shipping confirmation today, I'm super stoked for tomorrow morning.



Drip, drip, drip...

How's it going?

knot-hard
07/11/2017, 12:16 PM
Drip, drip, drip...

How's it going?

Drip drip drip is right, everything looks good so far, other than the ups guy dropping them off at the front desk without making an attempt at my apartment.

The latz are tiny, haven't gotten a real good look at them yet, I'll snap some pictures once I'm done acclimating.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/767a71f4f9a53ab85012a663f874d4f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/0a17ee6638c285ed26b946a9bffa4a08.jpg

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pfan151
07/11/2017, 02:13 PM
Mine made it fine. Both pretty tiny but I did notice any glaring defects. I'll get a better look this evening when I get home from work.

knot-hard
07/11/2017, 03:42 PM
Here are some pics, other than some nipped fins, they both look healthy. I think they stretched the word "bonded"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/0a5aeec0587c666a19b6b70158e68d80.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/5af21f6ce97b20ea30d7864024b4ad09.jpg

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OrionN
07/11/2017, 03:49 PM
How are the shape of the mouth/faces?

pfan151
07/11/2017, 03:57 PM
When I got home from work it is looking like my smaller one isn't going to make it. Bigger one looks perfect. I put them both in an acclimation box. Smaller ones mouth is pretty jacked up too.

pfan151
07/11/2017, 04:20 PM
My small one is a mess. Not expecting it to survive much longer. I put a call in to see if they have one available to replace it. They were going to give me half credit but that is pretty useless because I don't want a single. They are supposed to let me know shortly.

https://youtu.be/KPNHBw1LlCo

knot-hard
07/11/2017, 04:32 PM
How are the shape of the mouth/faces?

Snapped these on my way out, I'll take a closer look tonight when I get back. Due to the size and the opaque snout, it was kinda tough to see.

knot-hard
07/11/2017, 04:39 PM
My small one is a mess. Not expecting it to survive much longer. I put a call in to see if they have one available to replace it. They were going to give me half credit but that is pretty useless because I don't want a single. They are supposed to let me know shortly.

https://youtu.be/KPNHBw1LlCo

I hope he pulls through, how does the larger one look?

pfan151
07/11/2017, 04:48 PM
I hope he pulls through, how does the larger one look?

Larger one is perfect. I can't get a good pic but the smaller ones mouth but it is pretty crooked. He's barely moving now. I think he'll be gone in the next few hours. I'm hoping they will send me a single as a replacement because I have no interest in having a credit for one and then a single left. The supervisor said they are going to contact divers den to see if they have any more in quarantine.

CoralsAddiction
07/11/2017, 05:02 PM
I'm hoping they will send me a single as a replacement because I have no interest in having a credit for one and then a single left.

Hopefully it works out for you.

CoralsAddiction
07/11/2017, 05:04 PM
Here are some pics, other than some nipped fins, they both look healthy. I think they stretched the word "bonded"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/0a5aeec0587c666a19b6b70158e68d80.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/5af21f6ce97b20ea30d7864024b4ad09.jpg

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Very nice. Good luck with them. I still haven't seen a single adult tank raised Latz. Very curious to see how they develop :)

pfan151
07/11/2017, 07:18 PM
Well it ended as I thought. Not a great fish day for me. I also had a choat's wrasse come in alive but barely. Was dead within 2 hours but was only live arrival guarantee. So far the seller has not responded to emails so I think I'm out of luck there.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/0951f65d782bac81b94437cd01df7eb1.jpg

Really hoping Divers den has another in Qt because I have no interest in having a single latz.


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CoralsAddiction
07/11/2017, 07:58 PM
Well it ended as I thought. Not a great fish day for me. I also had a choat's wrasse come in alive but barely. Was dead within 2 hours but was only live arrival guarantee. So far the seller has not responded to emails so I think I'm out of luck there.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/0951f65d782bac81b94437cd01df7eb1.jpg

Really hoping Divers den has another in Qt because I have no interest in having a single latz.


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A little more pricey but BZA has some in stock if you need another single Latz
https://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productDetail.asp?did=1&pid=6573&cid=361

pfan151
07/11/2017, 08:03 PM
A little more pricey but BZA has some in stock if you need another single Latz
https://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productDetail.asp?did=1&pid=6573&cid=361

Yea. I'm going to wait to see what live aquaria does. Makes me nervous to get one without seeing a pic first.

rc4kinu
07/11/2017, 09:11 PM
So sorry about the little guy. Now is the time to make sure you get a smaller juvi or male since the bigger one will most likely turn female.

ThRoewer
07/12/2017, 06:34 PM
Well it ended as I thought. Not a great fish day for me. I also had a choat's wrasse come in alive but barely. Was dead within 2 hours but was only live arrival guarantee. So far the seller has not responded to emails so I think I'm out of luck there.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/0951f65d782bac81b94437cd01df7eb1.jpg

Really hoping Divers den has another in Qt because I have no interest in having a single latz....

Sorry to hear about your loss. It's always a pain when you get a pair of a hard to find species and one dies. The only upside about this with anemonefish is that sexing isn't really an issue. Pipefish and jawfish are so much more hassle...

So sorry about the little guy. Now is the time to make sure you get a smaller juvi or male since the bigger one will most likely turn female.

At this size they are for sure not females. It's actually even doubtful if they are already functioning males.

pfan151
07/12/2017, 08:18 PM
Looks like it will turn out ok. Among the Reef is bringing in an order of latz produced by Karen next week so I'm going to grab one of those.

ThRoewer
07/12/2017, 09:39 PM
Looks like it will turn out ok. Among the Reef is bringing in an order of latz produced by Karen next week so I'm going to grab one of those.

How much does he ask for them?

Are the ones DD sold also from Karen? The ones they sold before were from Australia, but this time they say they are USA captive bred and from the quality they could be Karen's.

pfan151
07/12/2017, 10:32 PM
How much does he ask for them?

Are the ones DD sold also from Karen? The ones they sold before were from Australia, but this time they say they are USA captive bred and from the quality they could be Karen's.

Not sure on the exact price yet. Also not sure if the ones from DD were from Karen.

pfan151
07/14/2017, 06:54 PM
Well they like gigs and mags
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170715/2aa1f10bb842872a99eac9efe8ebeff5.jpg


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ThRoewer
07/14/2017, 07:33 PM
Nice! In the wild they are usually found in crispas.

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CoralsAddiction
07/14/2017, 08:49 PM
Nice! In the wild they are usually found in crispas.

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Actually mostly BTAs but Crispas too

CoralsAddiction
07/14/2017, 08:58 PM
There's a diver in Australia with tons of Latz vids on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/PDoExLC-SBA

CoralsAddiction
07/19/2017, 12:09 AM
PIA has tank raised Latz babies for $175 each.

OrionN
07/19/2017, 05:17 AM
Any update of these clowns and comment on the fish over all?

pfan151
07/19/2017, 09:03 AM
Any update of these clowns and comment on the fish over all?

Mine is doing great. Loves the gigs but seems to sleep in the mag. I also have a misbar that I found locally in an old seahorse tank both seem to be easy to keep. Planning to grab one from Among the Reef to go with my remaining one from live aquaria when I get back from vacation.

knot-hard
07/20/2017, 12:14 AM
They are doing good, but they do not look like wild caught latz. This is a picture of the wc Juvis I got from dd in 2010 and the cb ones this yearhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170720/0802ed0a61959842930165f54e9ce967.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170720/b8171492d66351cf5d71f19774ee1203.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170720/10b14b404240429ef86a616d0c1f8fa7.jpg

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ThRoewer
07/20/2017, 12:36 AM
What do you mean with that they don't look like wild?
I had wild adults and juveniles before and these look pretty much the same as wild juveniles.
The widening of the bars and the blue lips develop as they grow up.

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pfan151
07/20/2017, 07:17 AM
Curious what you mean as well. They look pretty identical in the pics you posted to me. What am I missing in the pics? I see that the color is a bit lighter but I'm assuming these cb ones are just younger.

knot-hard
07/20/2017, 11:59 AM
Something about the shape of the face just seems off to me, that and the color, but that could be because they are younger. I'll keep this post updated with how they develop.

CoralsAddiction
07/20/2017, 12:24 PM
The yellow color on pectoral fins is much more pronounced on wild caught juvi Latz. Their heads and gills are more proportional, etc etc. I know what knot-hard means.
I think Ocellaris clowns are a good example of how tank raised ones differ from wild caught ones. It's obvious in their shape and color. Same species that look different.

ThRoewer
07/22/2017, 08:05 PM
So are these from Karen or some other US breeder?

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CoralsAddiction
08/03/2017, 06:28 PM
Bump. Any updates or anyone else bought some recently?

CoralsAddiction
08/10/2017, 05:27 PM
Here is one for sale on BZA's site. It's WYSIWYG
https://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productdetailcc.asp?did=11&cid=365&pid=26986

adtravels
08/11/2017, 02:10 AM
My lfs in Bangkok had some in last weeks
They went in seconds!
I can pm the Facebook site it has some nice pics!

Mad Marine
08/16/2017, 05:21 AM
Nyaquatics had some wild ones a couple weeks ago. They were $800 for the pair. I'm thinking of trying a pair of these captive ones next time a well formed pair pops up. Just debating whether I want to get rid of my current Percs. I'm assuming a pair of latz with a pair of Percs is a definite no go in a 90 with 2 Magnifica and 3 gigantea?

They should be fine together. Might be a good idea to take the percs out for a week and then add the two pairs at the same time.

ThRoewer
09/07/2017, 02:12 AM
They should be fine together. Might be a good idea to take the percs out for a week and then add the two pairs at the same time.Latezonatus can be quite mean - and they get large.
To make them work with a pair of percula you would need to have a barrier between them and an appropriately mean fish guarding it so that none of the pairs dares to take a peek at the other side.

BTW, DD has two baby pairs right now.

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BonsaiNut
09/08/2017, 05:14 PM
I had a pair of them in the late 90s. Back then they were much more affordable. If I remember correctly it was just $250 for an adult pair.

Last time I bought a pair, in 2005, my LFS charged me $80 each.

Price-gouging at its best. They aren't rare. They aren't even uncommon in their native range. However because they come from Australian collectors, and Australian collectors have strict unit restrictions, they would rather catch specimen angels that they can wholesale for $200 each than a clown that they wholesale for $20. So someone asked the question - what if we asked the same amount for a common clown as for a rare adult angel - do you think people would actually PAY that much? Apparently they will and do...

For the record, this is what a healthy adult pair looks like. Not those misshapen misfits...

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ThRoewer
09/18/2017, 03:03 PM
I have a pair of Karen's captive bred latezonatus on the way from Among the Reef. For the time being they will have to share a 20 gallon tank with my yellow Assessors and janssi pipefish.

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CoralsAddiction
09/18/2017, 05:50 PM
DD had two new pairs today. It's Latzopalooza!

pfan151
09/18/2017, 07:03 PM
I have a pair of Karen's captive bred latezonatus on the way from Among the Reef. For the time being they will have to share a 20 gallon tank with my yellow Assessors and janssi pipefish.

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Nice. I got some from there too. Karen must be pumping them out now.

ThRoewer
09/18/2017, 08:55 PM
Nice. I got some from there too. Karen must be pumping them out now.

So you got the other two or did you get them earlier?
Do you think the ones at DD are from Karen as well? Some of them certainly look the part and none of the recent has any misbaring.

pfan151
09/18/2017, 09:52 PM
So you got the other two or did you get them earlier?
Do you think the ones at DD are from Karen as well? Some of them certainly look the part and none of the recent has any misbaring.

I got them a few weeks ago. I assume the ones from DD are Karen's too but I don't know for sure. PacificIsleAquatics also had some of Karen's recently

ThRoewer
09/19/2017, 12:35 PM
Seems she is producing them now in good quantities.

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pfan151
09/19/2017, 01:26 PM
Seems she is producing them now in good quantities.

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I imagine soon the price will dump to a level that makes it not worth raising them. Then the price may rebound some.

ThRoewer
09/20/2017, 02:57 PM
Jordan sells them for $300 a pair, which I think is fair. The $400 (399) DD sells them for likely reflects their larger overhead.
Anyone who ever bred clownfish (wild forms) can tell you that what you usually get for them from a LFS (let's not even talk wholesalers) is a joke when comparing the work it takes. If you then consider also that the life-expectancy of a clownfish can be anywhere between 20 and 30 years (counted from hatch), than most clownfish are terribly undervalued.

CoralsAddiction
09/21/2017, 05:32 PM
More pics anyone?