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SouthFla
08/17/2017, 07:15 AM
So I ditched all of my Canon dSLR's and glass, and invested in Sony's a7R II mirrorless system. Admittedly I was nervous as a life-long Canon shooter. I shoot primarily commercial/event/portrait stuff, although landscape work will always be my favorite (but rarely pays the bills lol). I gotta say the Sony system is flat out spectacular. A bit of a learning curve, but goodness the quality of the images are spectacular and dynamic range and ISO capabilities run circles around my Canon gear. All of this in a form factor a fraction the weight & size of my 1D's and 5DIII's, 70-200 2.8's etc. I went from a large heavy rolling Pelican case to equivalent body & glass that fits in a small backpack!

I'm not confident enough yet in the focusing to try action/sports, but that may come with time and practice. The "Eye-AF" is game changing for portrait and event work, and I find myself giggling like a kid at Christmas when looking at the unbelievable resolution in the 42mp files LOL.

Anyone else make the switch??

trivan
08/17/2017, 07:33 AM
I didn't "switch" but invested in the Fuji world. I'm an amateur but enjoy photography and have been shooting with Nikon for over 20 years. I find that for sports mirrorless is just too slow. I know there are review/posts that some of the newer systems are very quick, eg Sony A9, but that is financially out of reach at this point. The Fuji X-T2, is supposed to be one of the fastest, but I still cannot capture pictures as quickly. Probably just me at this point, but my D500 is amazing at obtaining focus and holding it. Personally, the size factor is minimal once you get away from "kit" lenses and battery life is horrible.

So I been using my nikon for sports and shooting with long lens and fuji for my walk around and general shooting. I find this to be a great combination. I agree the image quality is amazing.

Dline Bullyz
08/17/2017, 09:27 AM
I made the switch from Nikon. I shoot both photography and video. I own three Sony cinema bodies, the A7sii and the a6300 crop. For action and sports, I highly recommend picking up a second body just for that. The a6000,a6300 both shoot 11fps, do a great job tracking and can be picked up relatively cheap since the release of the a6500.

Optionman
08/19/2017, 02:04 PM
Switched to the Sony a6000. Here are some shots. 378299378300378301


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Tinpanva
08/23/2017, 02:55 PM
lol, I'm so embedded with canon glass I'm not sure I can ever leave them. If I could, it would be the sony.

Reef Bass
08/24/2017, 06:19 AM
Canon rumors continues to assert Canon is working on a full frame mirrorless back with EF mount.

May well be a case of too little too late. I am astounded how slowly Canon and Nikon have moved on the mirrorless market.

IPT
08/24/2017, 07:12 PM
I bought a Sony A7r used. I figured it was a cheeper way to "test the water). I also bought a Ziess lens for it (which is a phenomenal combination, and not cheep!) but often use it with a Metabones adapter and my Canon glass. The A7r is the last generation but the image quality is amazing. The focusing is slow but I use it mostly for landscape currently so no issue. I have not seen the weight loss issues since I still lug around the heavy Canon glass. I haven't seen much about the new generation for wildlife or sports but it may be up to (or getting very close to) the task. As mentioned the image quality on all levels (including the increase MP over my 6D and 7D mark II) is quite welcome.

The major con is battery life. it pails compared to the Canon, and that is with the LCD off most of the time. I also shoot Aurora and also have had some issues with using it in very cold temps (single digits or sub zero) that I do not have with the Canon gear.

BlueCorn
08/26/2017, 10:11 AM
lol, I'm so embedded with canon glass I'm not sure I can ever leave them. If I could, it would be the sony.

Metabones.

Reef Bass
08/27/2017, 06:07 AM
How has your experience been with the Metabones adapters Doug? Most features still intact? Autofocus not too slow?

IPT
08/27/2017, 12:05 PM
I can't speak for Doug but my experience with the Metabones has been great. No issues, no lost capabilities. I've even used my 500mm lens hooked up to it. Come to think of it I think I was manually focusing then but I don't recall why.

I think it is the cheaper adapters that may snip some functions. Honestly with a 1 y/o I have not been out as much but I am off to Denali NP next week so hopefully I will get some shoting in up there.

BlueCorn
08/27/2017, 02:20 PM
How has your experience been with the Metabones adapters Doug? Most features still intact? Autofocus not too slow?

I've never had a problem. That said, AF speed has never been a concern of mine. I'm a landscape shooter. I'm usually focusing manually.

SouthFla
08/28/2017, 07:15 PM
lol, I'm so embedded with canon glass I'm not sure I can ever leave them. If I could, it would be the sony.

LMAO yep, been there did that. Just finished selling 5DIIIs and 4L's for the Sony system. I gotta say, it's really invigorated me :thumbsup:

Just did a quick trip up to Chicago with family. It wasn't a photo trip, but I managed to snap a few as the family was walking and touring. I think this is a pretty incredible example of the a7RII resolution. Here's the full frame shot, shot on Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 manual lens on compressed raw (apologize for the size and processing-doing quick edits on my iPad while on the plane):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/387391x9f2y0uh0/Photo%20Aug%2028%2C%209%2001%2030%20PM.jpg?raw=1

Here's a 100% crop from that brick building middle left side of image-you can see people! Amazing!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ummu62o9i8dy8oq/Photo%20Aug%2028%2C%209%2001%2045%20PM.jpg?raw=1

Pretty incredible camera IMO, and with the amazing 15mm ultra wide and 55 f1.8 its pretty good for some walk around shots!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7p7848mlinsyhyr/Photo%20Aug%2028%2C%209%2002%2017%20PM.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8fwwjxg68q4g3k7/Photo%20Aug%2028%2C%209%2002%2005%20PM.jpg?raw=1

IPT
09/05/2017, 03:34 PM
SouthFla - so what lenses did you end up with? I love my 24-105 and 70-200 Canons and I am unaware of anything Sony has (zoom wise) that can compete.

BlueCorn
09/05/2017, 05:47 PM
Louis, you should check the new Sony 70-200. :)

Also, no reason you can't keep using Canon glass.

SouthFla
09/05/2017, 06:24 PM
SouthFla - so what lenses did you end up with? I love my 24-105 and 70-200 Canons and I am unaware of anything Sony has (zoom wise) that can compete.

I'm totally changing the way I shoot. I had always used big heavy L zooms (70-200 2.8IS my all time fav), but as I get older the long day shoots with the heavy equip are really taking a toll. SO, I'm going small primes, and the form factor is a FABULOUS change. Right now my minimalist kit is the Voightlander 15mm f/4.5 (I got a fantastically sharp corner-to-corner copy), the Sony FE 55mm f/1.8,and the FE 85mm f/1.8. :thumbsup:

jda
09/06/2017, 09:30 AM
How are these mirrorless for reliability? I am near 250K shots a year and have found that only 1D and 5D to hold up for a few years. I am always just a year from my next camera.

Also, how are the landscapes with depth? I struggles with depth of outdoor landscape here in Colorado and still use film if I really want a particular shot.

Those are some nice walk-around shots.

SouthFla
09/06/2017, 11:14 AM
How are these mirrorless for reliability? I am near 250K shots a year and have found that only 1D and 5D to hold up for a few years. I am always just a year from my next camera.

Also, how are the landscapes with depth? I struggles with depth of outdoor landscape here in Colorado and still use film if I really want a particular shot.


Thanks jda (LOL you stole my initials). Certainly can't attest to reliability or longevity, and they don't feel as "battle-tough" as my 1Ds' or even 5dIIIs, but there seems to be quite a few pros also making the switch and putting them through a workout with good results. But IMO it's too early to know...

As far as landscape use, IMO they run circles around Canon, and the aRII may be the best (non-MF) landscape camera manufactured to date. The amount of detail and dynamic range on the FF 42MP sensor is nothing short of astounding. Photos where I'd previously take a -2/+2 5-picture bracket to stack the dynamic range can now be accomplished often in a single shot. It's amazing to expose for the foreground, blow-out the sky/highlights, and be able to completely pull it back and recover all of the sky detail in post. No bracketing/hdr processing or grad ND filters required :spin1:

And with my $700 Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5, I've been shooting at 5.6 and have everything from 3' to infinity in TACK sharp focus! I just did a three building architecture shoot and found myself damn near giddy over the experience with the mirrorless... :thumbsup:

jda
09/06/2017, 01:55 PM
You were here before me... should have grabbed the initials. :) Thanks for your thoughtful response. I am not a professional photographer, but I take a lot of photos at about 1000-1500 a day close up of houses. Any full frame and a 15-30MM lens will work for me, but I have only found 1d/5d and L series to last beyond six months... even then, I nearly always have a lens going back for new USM, or something, since they get so much use and I always have a backup of the same lens.

I will keep my eye out on these in a few years when they get more use out of them to see how they will last. I am totally OK with change, but I need them to be as reliable as the old stuff... and so few things are nowadays.

I don't mind film for an exceptional occasion... and why not just keep the equipment since it is not worth much. :)

Nixy
09/08/2017, 06:43 PM
My first switch was to the Panasonic LUMIX G and GH line. So many fantastic lens choices bc you. An use Panasonic and Olympus. I was getting geared up to buy the GH5 but I got impatient waiting for the release and I bought the latest Olympus. The EM1 markII. I can use all the glass I have already collected and the camera is amazing! I used to shoot Canon and loved my Canon gear too but I would never go back to a bulky, heavy full frame. I love the freedom and fun that a mirrorless provides!


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SouthFla
09/09/2017, 06:12 AM
My first switch was to the Panasonic LUMIX G and GH line. So many fantastic lens choices bc you. An use Panasonic and Olympus. I was getting geared up to buy the GH5 but I got impatient waiting for the release and I bought the latest Olympus. The EM1 markII. I can use all the glass I have already collected and the camera is amazing! I used to shoot Canon and loved my Canon gear too but I would never go back to a bulky, heavy full frame. I love the freedom and fun that a mirrorless provides!


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LOL yeah I kind of feel like I'm "late to the party" :lol2: It is truly such a joy to have an entire kit that fits in a tiny backpack and produces such amazing images. And I picked up the tiny but wickedly-powerful Nissin i40 flash. What a fun kit :thumbsup:

Nixy
09/09/2017, 09:19 PM
LOL yeah I kind of feel like I'm "late to the party" :lol2: It is truly such a joy to have an entire kit that fits in a tiny backpack and produces such amazing images. And I picked up the tiny but wickedly-powerful Nissin i40 flash. What a fun kit :thumbsup:



I love the freedom and convenience of these cameras. Does the Nissin flash attach to your hot shoe?


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BlueCorn
09/09/2017, 09:58 PM
Also, how are the landscapes with depth? I struggles with depth of outdoor landscape here in Colorado and still use film if I really want a particular shot.


Depth is a function of aperture. A full-frame digital will behave exactly like a 35mm SLR in regard to depth. It varies a bit if you're on an APC sized sensor but not significantly.

I'm a landscape shooter, and have several friends whom do so for a living. They've all switched to Sony. The dynamic range blows Canon out of the water.

Recty
09/11/2017, 11:45 AM
I'm actually considering moving from my Canon gear, which I've got very little of anymore, over to Sony.

Anyone have a good feel for when the A7rII will be replaced? I see it came out in June 2015, it seems like it's about time for a replacement, which I was hoping would drive the price of the rII down and I might pick one up for a song.

I'm not really in the know as far as Sony's typical upgrade timeline, is two years about the time we should expect a new camera, like maybe an rIII? What I'm trying to avoid is spending $2500 on a camera and having it be "old" real soon.

IPT
09/11/2017, 02:25 PM
Grant I have been reading on this some as I am considering moving from my A7R up to the A7R II. From what I have read (DP review > sony e-mount forum is a good place to look) it seems like it may not be that long, but I don't recall any specific time frame. I do seem to recall though that the thought was that it would be in the 20MP range. A lot of folks seemed to feel it would apple to oranges and thus would not drive the price of the A7R II down (nor flood the market) but that was just my take on some limited reading this weekend.

You don't have much Canon gear left? What did you do with it?

IPT
09/11/2017, 02:26 PM
Louis, you should check the new Sony 70-200. :)

Also, no reason you can't keep using Canon glass.

What are you using on the wide end Doug?

BlueCorn
09/11/2017, 02:49 PM
I'm shooting on a crop sensor. I have the Sony 10-18 and a Rokinon 8mm fisheye.

Recty
09/12/2017, 01:17 PM
Grant I have been reading on this some as I am considering moving from my A7R up to the A7R II. From what I have read (DP review > sony e-mount forum is a good place to look) it seems like it may not be that long, but I don't recall any specific time frame. I do seem to recall though that the thought was that it would be in the 20MP range. A lot of folks seemed to feel it would apple to oranges and thus would not drive the price of the A7R II down (nor flood the market) but that was just my take on some limited reading this weekend.

You don't have much Canon gear left? What did you do with it? I sold it off years ago... I got into astrophotography, but all my old Canon gear was useless for that.

I've got a Canon 70D right now and just the kit lens, it's junk :) I'm wanting a better camera, and was thinking about making the switch to Sony before I invest in any Canon lenses. I realize I can use an adapter but I'd rather just drink the Sony Koolaid completely I think.

IPT
09/13/2017, 12:16 AM
If you are looking to use it for Astrophotograhy you may want to reconsider the Sony and look at Nikon. Apparently Sony has some algorithm that dulls stars with longer exposures (https://petapixel.com/2017/05/04/star-eater-issue-no-longer-recommend-sony-cameras-astrophotography/ .

I think the Canon 6D is well regarded in the Astro world so I am surprised you didn;t go that route. I think the mirrorless world hype with regards to the A7RII (and much more expensive A9) comes down to stuff like DR, but also the resolution, and AF that can lock onto the eye. I wouldn't think most of those attributes would be desirable really for Astro work but I don't do any of that so may be off.

I dig my A7R but the AF is horrible and the higher ISO is not great. I am really thinking to pull the trigger on the A7RII. Mostly for the better AF (getting sick of carrying 2-3 different bodies!) but also the higher ISO performance. It's not going to replace my 7DII I use for wildlife. No chance it can do that, but it might replace my 6D for all but studio setup stuff where I use flash. The flash won't be compatible. However, if I am out and about shooting Landscape stuff and want to grab a shot of my daughter it would be nice to get some in focus :).

I might add for lenses the Rokinon stuff blew my mind. I read a lot about on the Asto sites. It took me 3 copies but I finally got a great one. I sold my Canon 24 F1.4 a moment after comparing the results of the two. At about 1/3 the price the sharpness was night and day better on the Rokinon. I lost some speed, but who cares if I can use a lower ISO or shorter speed if the end result is an image with poor resolution and rendering of what I am shooting.

Nixy
09/13/2017, 02:51 AM
If you are looking to use it for Astrophotograhy you may want to reconsider the Sony and look at Nikon. Apparently Sony has some algorithm that dulls stars with longer exposures (https://petapixel.com/2017/05/04/star-eater-issue-no-longer-recommend-sony-cameras-astrophotography/ .

I think the Canon 6D is well regarded in the Astro world so I am surprised you didn;t go that route. I think the mirrorless world hype with regards to the A7RII (and much more expensive A9) comes down to stuff like DR, but also the resolution, and AF that can lock onto the eye. I wouldn't think most of those attributes would be desirable really for Astro work but I don't do any of that so may be off.



If you want fast AF and tracking and a camera that is perfect for Astro photography look no further than the Olympus EM1 Mark II. It's an absolutely brilliant camera and is considered a professional mirrorless. It has a function called Live Composite that takes star trail photography to a new level!

Another spectacular mirrorless camera is the Panasonic GH5. If you are also interested in video this is the one for you.

You have so many fantastic lens choices for these cameras and you can use both brands on either model, increasing your choices.

Nikon and Canon are quite late to the mirrorless game and I'm sure they will catch up but I wouldn't recommend either brand right now--if you're considering the mirrorless switch.



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SouthFla
09/13/2017, 10:47 AM
I love the freedom and convenience of these cameras. Does the Nissin flash attach to your hot shoe?

Yep, with full TTL functionality :thumbsup:

Recty
09/13/2017, 11:44 AM
If you are looking to use it for Astrophotograhy you may want to reconsider the Sony and look at Nikon. Apparently Sony has some algorithm that dulls stars with longer exposures

I may have explained myself poorly :) I already have a dedicated camera for AP. Not a regular camera I'm trying to make do AP, I have a camera designed for AP. It has no filters in front of the sensor except IR/UV, so I catch all those photons that a regular camera blocks. I have a filter wheel which sits in front of it and I choose what filter I want to use, so I can catch very specific wavelengths of light.

FWIW, it's an Atik 383L+ mono. Great camera. I can cool it to 40 degrees celcius below ambient temps, which helps great with keeping noise to a minimum when doing 20 minute photos. It's pretty much essential to have some form of cooling once you get above a few dozen seconds if you want to keep noise down.

So, I'm not looking for a camera for shooting the stars. I'm looking for a good walkaround camera again, and the Sony AR7II just seemed to check all the boxes, other than I dont really want to invest thousands into a body and lenses right at the moment... but the siren is calling out with the sweet Sony song, I'm not sure how long I'll be able to resist.

shiftline
09/13/2017, 11:58 AM
I have been itching to get an A6500 for a while now. I do weekly reefing YouTube video so I think it would be a great camera. Slowly saving!


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IPT
09/13/2017, 12:29 PM
So, I'm not looking for a camera for shooting the stars. I'm looking for a good walkaround camera again, and the Sony AR7II just seemed to check all the boxes, other than I dont really want to invest thousands into a body and lenses right at the moment... but the siren is calling out with the sweet Sony song, I'm not sure how long I'll be able to resist.

Man that sounds like a sweet rig for the Astro.

42 MP seems robust for a walkaround camera but I guess it all depends on your style, wants, and needs. I've read that the Sony 24-240 goes well with it for a walkaround lens if your not using it too much on either end of the focal length (at least for critical sharpness).

Recty
09/13/2017, 06:40 PM
If you want fast AF and tracking and a camera that is perfect for Astro photography look no further than the Olympus EM1 Mark II. It's an absolutely brilliant camera and is considered a professional mirrorless. It has a function called Live Composite that takes star trail photography to a new level! I appreciate the advice, I looked up some "stuff" on that camera, the Live Composite shooting does seem interesting.

It isnt the type of AP I do, I'm taking single 20 minute exposures and then stacking 40 of them, but for star trails or other static shots with only certain pixels changing it is a cool shooting mode, I agree.

BlueCorn
09/14/2017, 07:27 PM
For Astro stuff you want the S, not the R. A7SII fewer pixels but you can see in the dark.

Nixy
09/14/2017, 07:50 PM
I appreciate the advice, I looked up some "stuff" on that camera, the Live Composite shooting does seem interesting.



It isnt the type of AP I do, I'm taking single 20 minute exposures and then stacking 40 of them, but for star trails or other static shots with only certain pixels changing it is a cool shooting mode, I agree.



Oh I didn't even read your original post. I was replying to the Nikon suggestion. Yes, I think you know exactly what you want/need for AP. :)


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Recty
09/15/2017, 12:00 PM
For Astro stuff you want the S, not the R. A7SII fewer pixels but you can see in the dark.

I did look into the A7SII, but the "Star Eater" problem has me a little reluctant. It's hard to tell if it is a real issue or not, but some pictures sure seem to indicate it is.

Regardless, my Atik 383L+ is a better astro camera than anything mirrorless will be :) I'll stick with that.