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Newms118
09/19/2017, 08:13 PM
Still have the flame angel in QT. I went through 24 days of Paraguard, and threw in a round of Prazipro at the end of it. The flame angel still has twitches and was flashing with its mouth, so its back on the Paraguard bc I just keep thinking thats flukes.

But the fish is eating, and always seems to hungry, and for the most part, this has been what its poop looks like. Sometimes its whitish, and it tends to kind of trail behind the fish, with more full poop coming in bursts. Is this a sign of internal parasites?

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This is pretty infuriating considering ive treated this fish at least 3 times with prazipro. So in addition to the Paraguard, I made up some medicine soaked pellets (1 scoop Metroplex + 1 scoop Focus + 1 teaspoon pellets + Garlic guard/water) bc Ive read metronidazole should be able to treat internal parasites. I now feed the pellets close to one at a time to make sure its eating some of them, which it is. They must not taste great bc if it tastes it before the pellet is down the throat, the fish will try to spit it out.

Any thoughts? Prayers?

lagatbezan
09/19/2017, 11:37 PM
How long have you been feeding it metro? It usually takes 5-10 days to cure it. Sometimes more.
Maybe switch to using general cure? It will have prazipro and Metro in it so might help because fish are drinking the water as well. I'm told white stringy poop is sign of internal parasites while black or brown could be the dead parasites leaving the fish or could be due to the diet.
Also if prazipro is not working maybe try doing formalin.
I'm dealing with never ending flashing myself with a racoon butterfly.

Newms118
09/20/2017, 08:50 PM
How long have you been feeding it metro? It usually takes 5-10 days to cure it. Sometimes more.
Maybe switch to using general cure? It will have prazipro and Metro in it so might help because fish are drinking the water as well. I'm told white stringy poop is sign of internal parasites while black or brown could be the dead parasites leaving the fish or could be due to the diet.
Also if prazipro is not working maybe try doing formalin.
I'm dealing with never ending flashing myself with a racoon butterfly.

Today is day 2 with feeding the metro. The flame angel definitely is not impressed with the food. After a few pellets, itll just go up to it and swim away. However the fish will eat the pellet after its sat at the bottom for a good bit, only thing is I dont know how long the meds stay on the food. Sucks you cant really tell what dose you are giving. I mean, its an antibiotic, so you have to get it in the blood to a certain threshold for it to even work.


Unfortunately I dont know if I can combine Paraguard with metronidazole. Seachems website says no, but who knows. Ill order some general cure to see if I can hit the flukes and whatevers in the stomach. Then I can just treat the water and keep with the feeding. One thing I want to know is how long does the food/meds actually last before it all degrades. I keep it in the fridge just to be safe, but still.


Ive tried so hard to get a video of the fish doing to flashing bc its not just rubbing the mouth. The fish seems to like want to spit something out so it sticks its mouth out really fast and then goes and rubs it on a tube.

lagatbezan
09/24/2017, 01:12 PM
You have been treating with paraguard for a little while now right?
If its not helping might be time for something else.
maybe dose metro in the qt water column. That should resolve the white stringy poop.
I personally think I'm dealing with prazi resistant flukes myself on a butterfly. Have done 4 rounds and still shaking the head, yawning and scratching. I think I'm going to do a week in hypo in hopes of eradication.

JustinM
09/24/2017, 02:33 PM
How far apart were your prazi doses?

JustinM
09/24/2017, 02:34 PM
I also agree that it may be time for something else. I have seen too many people try Paraguard with no results at all.

lagatbezan
09/24/2017, 02:50 PM
How far apart were your prazi doses?

Mine were 5 days a part for the first two times, and then another one one week latter. waited a week and still has symptoms. started General cure 2 days ago. gonna do one more in 7 days and then hypo. I would do formalin but it has a cut on its side thats healing but not completely cured so dont wanna risk it.
I never had much luck with paraguard but then again never used it for a long duration.

JustinM
09/24/2017, 02:53 PM
Hopefully the hypo will get it for you, if not wait till his wound his healed and formalin should for sure get it.

lagatbezan
09/24/2017, 03:11 PM
sorry newms118, have no intention of hijacking your thread.

JustinM
09/24/2017, 03:15 PM
Me too, but when I originally asked about the prazi doses, it was meant for newsms haha. He said he only threw a round of prazi in. One dose?

Newms118
09/24/2017, 08:40 PM
Me too, but when I originally asked about the prazi doses, it was meant for newsms haha. He said he only threw a round of prazi in. One dose?

No its gone through multiple at this point. Heres the complete treatment history (this has been a loooooooooong journey):

-Obtained flame angel from Live Aquaria on July 17
- 7/18 Precautionary treatment with New Life Spectrum Ich Shield (57 mg / gallon)
- 7/20 water change and added NLS Ich Shield + Prazipro
- 7/23 water change and added NLS Ich Shield + Prazipro
- 8/1 water change and added Prazipro
- 8/20 Formalin dip (30 min) then added Paraguard 0.5 mL/gallon to QT
- 8/21 to 9/12 Paraguard added 0.5 mL/gallon [total of 24 days of treatment]
- 9/19 0.5 mL/gallon Paraguard and Metro soaked food (1:1 Metroplex:Focus)
- 9/20 0.5 mL/gallon Paraguard and Metro soaked food
- 9/21 0.5 mL/gallon Paraguard and Metro soaked food
- 9/22 Removed Paraguard, added one packet of API Quick Cure into QT
- 9/24 Added one packet of API Quick Cure

The Quick cure may (MAY) be getting rid of the stringy poop, but i doubt the prazi in the quick cure will do much since Prazipro has a higher dose of the drug in it.

So far the fish is still twitching, and rubbing its mouth on a tub (where it seems the most bothered). Its probably the prazi causing the flukes to spaz on its mouth, especially when it eats pellets.

Anyone have any luck with Quick Cure for flukes??

Jdub968
09/25/2017, 03:15 PM
Yes prazipro is great for flukes however internal anerobic parasites should be treated with metroplex and focus just as you started,treat for 10-14 days and then reasses the fish I would switch foods to spiralina brine shrimp your angel might not like pellet and they need to eat this treatment. Also paraguard is no good for internal parasites it is ok as a prophylactically used treatment at .5 per gal but if you see parasites it's time to change when using paraguard imo it's best used as a bath 3 mls per gal well aerated up to about 1 hr. Metroplex can be used with paraguard.
because all these treatments can mask or somewhat help with parasites I would stick to one treatment see it through and then make changes. I would start with a fresh water dip and look for flukes, if flukes are present dose prazipro,change food and continue with the metro focus treat 10-14 days. Metroplex will also cover brooklynella. If no flukes are present In freshwater dip treat with cu and metroplex dosed to the water, this will take care of internal parasites as well as ecto

Newms118
09/25/2017, 09:10 PM
Yes prazipro is great for flukes however internal anerobic parasites should be treated with metroplex and focus just as you started,treat for 10-14 days and then reasses the fish I would switch foods to spiralina brine shrimp your angel might not like pellet and they need to eat this treatment. Also paraguard is no good for internal parasites it is ok as a prophylactically used treatment at .5 per gal but if you see parasites it's time to change when using paraguard imo it's best used as a bath 3 mls per gal well aerated up to about 1 hr. Metroplex can be used with paraguard.
because all these treatments can mask or somewhat help with parasites I would stick to one treatment see it through and then make changes. I would start with a fresh water dip and look for flukes, if flukes are present dose prazipro,change food and continue with the metro focus treat 10-14 days. Metroplex will also cover brooklynella. If no flukes are present In freshwater dip treat with cu and metroplex dosed to the water, this will take care of internal parasites as well as ecto

So how do you treat the metro/focus on the spiralina brine shrimp? I can get the cubes but do you melt them and them refreeze with the medication on it?

I'm currently dosing the water with API quick cure to see if i can kill the internal parasites first and then focus on the flukes.

Jdub968
09/25/2017, 09:51 PM
Here's what I do I defrost two small cubes add the metro 1 scoop and 2 scoops of focus mix it up feed then refrigerate the left over portion and reuse it the next feeding until it's gone keep doing this 10-14 days.
You said api quick cure did you mean api general cure ? I'm not familiar with quick cure. General cure will treat flukes and anerobic parasites so it will treat both your problems because it contains praziquantel and metronidazole.

JustinM
09/26/2017, 02:24 PM
I am wondering if your treatment was successful. You treated two days apart then waited 8 days and treated again. Your second dose should never be more than 7 days and being that you dosed two days apart the first time, I would call that one dose. Just a thought.

Newms118
09/26/2017, 08:12 PM
Here's what I do I defrost two small cubes add the metro 1 scoop and 2 scoops of focus mix it up feed then refrigerate the left over portion and reuse it the next feeding until it's gone keep doing this 10-14 days.
You said api quick cure did you mean api general cure ? I'm not familiar with quick cure. General cure will treat flukes and anerobic parasites so it will treat both your problems because it contains praziquantel and metronidazole.

Yeah sorry I meant API General Cure. I just completed 2 packets and changed 25% of the water. Also added a new packet since I read you're supposed to treat metro for at least 7 to 10 days. The fish isnt twitching as much but the stringy poop is still there, maybe its a bit better.

I guess I can try doing the defrost method, I just didnt know how long the food will last when its like that. I think ill try with emerald entree, just thaw one cube until its mush, add the scoops of drugs and see if that helps mask the food. Thing is, if its mush and you add it to the water, doesnt the food just dissolve and go everywhere?

Jdub968
09/26/2017, 08:27 PM
Yeah sorry I meant API General Cure. I just completed 2 packets and changed 25% of the water. Also added a new packet since I read you're supposed to treat metro for at least 7 to 10 days. The fish isnt twitching as much but the stringy poop is still there, maybe its a bit better.

I guess I can try doing the defrost method, I just didnt know how long the food will last when its like that. I think ill try with emerald entree, just thaw one cube until its mush, add the scoops of drugs and see if that helps mask the food. Thing is, if its mush and you add it to the water, doesnt the food just dissolve and go everywhere?

I treat with metroplex 10-14 days in tank ,and I'll feed metroplex up to 3 weeks. Yes the food does go everywhere but the focus keeps the metroplex bound to the food. Let the food sit for 10 minutes or so then feed. Also the food will last in the fridge 5 days or so

Newms118
10/02/2017, 07:53 PM
I treat with metroplex 10-14 days in tank ,and I'll feed metroplex up to 3 weeks. Yes the food does go everywhere but the focus keeps the metroplex bound to the food. Let the food sit for 10 minutes or so then feed. Also the food will last in the fridge 5 days or so

Ok so I've been following your conditions, I've thawed 2 cubes spiralina brine shrimp, 1 scoop metrolplex and 2 scoops focus. As for the stringy poop, the poop is sometimes stringy and sometimes more together, but the color is generally matching the food it eats and not just a white string. Main issue to me is how little the flame angel eats. I have to add drops of vita chem plus garlic to get it to come take a bite or two but then it just swims around and comes back up to the surface for more tasty food, ignoring whats on the bottom of the tank.

During the metro food, I've been doing the API General Cure treatment. Ive used 6 of the 10 packets, and today the fish is -still - flashing - its - face :headwall blue:. I understand that the prazipro is a higher dose, but there should still be enough in General Cure to kill the flukes. At this point, with the stringy poop probably 60% resolved, and the fish still scratching the snout/face/mouth, I'm at a loss of what to try. I'm thinking the metro has really suppressed its appetite bc it used to eat much more, and the fish does look a little bit thinner (its definitely not gaining weight), do you think I should stop one of the treatments?

If this is indeed flukes, and its bothering it mouth, its probably a double whammy and making the fish not want to eat. So what will KILL THESE FLUKES DEAD? Rounds of Prazipro just seem to me to be a wasted of time. Paraguard made the fish at least not scratch but it was obviously a bandaid, kept the flukes down enough for the fish to be decent but didn't get rid of them for good.

I'm getting really frustrated with this case.

Jdub968
10/02/2017, 08:05 PM
If I'm understanding you correctly you don't wanna treat with general cure and feed metroplex at the same time this could cause an overdose of metronidazole.
If it were my fish I would stop the General cure and continue feeding the metroplex/ focus give the fish a break from the Meds check all water parameters ammonia nitrite and nitrate if out of wack fix the issue, observe the fish for a week or so and see if the scratching stops this could be a symptom of to much meds and its irritating him. If the scratching continues do a fresh water dip in a dark container and look for flukes they will look opaque against a dark background. Also praziquantel can suppress appetite this may be why the fish is not eating.
This is my protocal for flashing scratching heavy breathing
1-fresh water dip look for flukes
2-if flukes treat with prazipro 5-7 days WC then treat again 5-7 days
3- no flukes treat with cu 30 days depending on the fish I might add metroplex to the water for 10-14 days with the cu. the cu covers ick and velvet the metroplex covers brooklynella and uronema.

JustinM
10/02/2017, 08:39 PM
For the flukes you could try a formalin bath or you can run hypo for 5 days at 1.011 instead of prazi or general cure. What works for some doesn't always work for others. I would definitely finish the metro/focus blend first.

JustinM
10/02/2017, 08:43 PM
Also, the protocol for intestinal worms is 1 scoop of metro to 1 scoop of focus to 1 tablespoon of food. You are mixing 2 scoops of focus possibly diluting the metro.

Newms118
10/03/2017, 09:13 PM
If I'm understanding you correctly you don't wanna treat with general cure and feed metroplex at the same time this could cause an overdose of metronidazole.
If it were my fish I would stop the General cure and continue feeding the metroplex/ focus give the fish a break from the Meds check all water parameters ammonia nitrite and nitrate if out of wack fix the issue, observe the fish for a week or so and see if the scratching stops this could be a symptom of to much meds and its irritating him. If the scratching continues do a fresh water dip in a dark container and look for flukes they will look opaque against a dark background. Also praziquantel can suppress appetite this may be why the fish is not eating.
This is my protocal for flashing scratching heavy breathing
1-fresh water dip look for flukes
2-if flukes treat with prazipro 5-7 days WC then treat again 5-7 days
3- no flukes treat with cu 30 days depending on the fish I might add metroplex to the water for 10-14 days with the cu. the cu covers ick and velvet the metroplex covers brooklynella and uronema.

I thought you wanted to treat with both bc you can't be sure that the General cure is enough. Well I stopped feeding the metronidazole and tomorrow ill change the water as its recommended.

Today I saw the fish had a think white/translucent string hanging from it again. Its barely eating now so maybe this is because its hungry and has nothing in its system anymore. I just can see that after all this metronidazole, in the water and in the food, plus with praziquantel in the water, that the fish would still have intestinal parasites that are resistant to both treatments.

The single reason I don't do a freshwater dip is because its absurdly difficult to get the pH and temp a close match. I would have to fight for hours just to get water correct, especially when the pH is to high, you add water to dilute, that drops the temp, that changes the pH, again and again.

Do flame angels do well in hyposalinity? I have a stupid refractometer that doesn't go low, so Ill have to buy a whole new one to attempt that. I honestly think the flukes are resistant to praziquantel bc of all the times I've treated with General cure and Prazipro. Literally the only time the fish seemed happy was when it was treated with Paraguard and then that stopped working.

I guess for now ill try to remove the medication and just see if I can get the fish eating heavy again, perhaps the stringy poop will just go away on its own.

Newms118
10/03/2017, 09:15 PM
For the flukes you could try a formalin bath or you can run hypo for 5 days at 1.011 instead of prazi or general cure. What works for some doesn't always work for others. I would definitely finish the metro/focus blend first.

Tomorrow is the day to change the water from the General Cure, so Ill do that. I think 6 packets is enough to realize this isn't working. Does hypo salinity affect flame angels?

And where in the hell can i get a refractometer that goes down that low? The one I have is a stupid marine depot one that stops at 1.020 I think. Which one do you use, Ill buy that.

Newms118
10/03/2017, 09:17 PM
Also, the protocol for intestinal worms is 1 scoop of metro to 1 scoop of focus to 1 tablespoon of food. You are mixing 2 scoops of focus possibly diluting the metro.

i dunno if that really dilutes it much, Focus is supposed to bind it up, so more focus should make it bind stronger. Plus, the fish would eat maybe a few bites of like just the tip of a teaspoon of food before it ignores it completely. I would add drops of vita-chem and garlic to the food, and thats all the response I get. The flame angel is probably the most stubborn fish I've ever had aside from a mandarin goby.

Jdub968
10/03/2017, 09:48 PM
You don't need to worry about ph during a freshwater dip it will not hurt the fish.as for temp I just float the container in my qt and put a small plastic clamp to hold it in place then I stick and air stone in and let it sit for about 30 min or so check the temp and net the fish drop him in. Also I've seen several reccomendations by seachem as far as the amount of focus that can be used and its anywhere from1-5 scoops so shouldn't be a problem.

This is how positive I am about ph, when I get new fish I set up my qt to matching salinity as the water the fish was shipping in. I float the bag to temp acclimate 30 min or so, then I cut the bag open net the fish and plop him in the qt. I've never lost a fish doing this. Think of it this way the ph is low in the bag so ammonia is in its safe form as you drip acclimate the ph rises quite fast,this causes the ammonia to convert to ammonium the bad stuff. The ph didn't kill the fish it was the ammonium.

Newms118
10/04/2017, 08:36 PM
You don't need to worry about ph during a freshwater dip it will not hurt the fish.as for temp I just float the container in my qt and put a small plastic clamp to hold it in place then I stick and air stone in and let it sit for about 30 min or so check the temp and net the fish drop him in. Also I've seen several reccomendations by seachem as far as the amount of focus that can be used and its anywhere from1-5 scoops so shouldn't be a problem.

This is how positive I am about ph, when I get new fish I set up my qt to matching salinity as the water the fish was shipping in. I float the bag to temp acclimate 30 min or so, then I cut the bag open net the fish and plop him in the qt. I've never lost a fish doing this. Think of it this way the ph is low in the bag so ammonia is in its safe form as you drip acclimate the ph rises quite fast,this causes the ammonia to convert to ammonium the bad stuff. The ph didn't kill the fish it was the ammonium.

Well going from salt water to salt water, I wouldn't imagine the pH to be that far out of balance. But I've read that since its with freshwater, the pH swing can be pretty dramatic. You're the first person I've read say pH with the freshwater dip shouldn't matter.

I like the floating the container in the tank to temp match, makes sense. So what dark container do you use? Thats been another issue, last time I did the FW dip it was in a white bucket, really stupid of me. Of course I couldn't see anything.

As for the status, I've done a water change, added carbon to really get all drug out of the tank and am just feeding frozen food to get it eating again. It'll pick at Emerald Entree and Formula 2, but just a bit. Silly eater really, just peck once or twice then swims away and circle back later. It never really eats it all (I'm having to take a knife and cut like 20% of a cube to put in, and the fish leaves a lot of that left).

So far today I saw it scratch its body on a tube, and its poop is still stringy :mad2:.

JustinM
10/04/2017, 08:45 PM
Any online retailer should have one. I use the ATC refractometer, it goes for around 25$. Hypo should not effect the angel. It's probably safer than formalin.

Newms118
10/04/2017, 08:51 PM
Any online retailer should have one. I use the ATC refractometer, it goes for around 25$. Hypo should not effect the angel. It's probably safer than formalin.

Thanks i just ordered one from amazon. Goes 1.00 to 1.07, should be great. So whats the protocol for hypo for flukes, just keep it below 1.011? How slow do you decrease the salinity?

Jdub968
10/04/2017, 10:17 PM
not sure if it's against forum rules to post a link that's on another forum but I can pm you a link to a very respected fish disease expert that will confirm ph for a freshwater dip isn't a concern.

JustinM
10/05/2017, 03:45 AM
Unfortunately Jdub, reefcentral does not allow links to the forum you're probably thinking of.

As for the protocol, bring your salinity down to 1.011 over 2 days. Once there the flukes will start dying off and if maintained for 5 days, the eggs should not hatch.

Bringing the fish out of hypo should take much longer. It is stressful on fish to go up more than .002 over a 24 hour period.

lagatbezan
10/05/2017, 12:34 PM
not sure if it's against forum rules to post a link that's on another forum but I can pm you a link to a very respected fish disease expert that will confirm ph for a freshwater dip isn't a concern.

Yes ageeed, ph change for short amount of time is not a concern and most fish will handle it with no issues. You can add a few drops of the tank water in the freshwater to try to balance it a little.
But if doing full hypo for a few days, then maintaining correct ph is important.

Jdub968
10/05/2017, 01:57 PM
Unfortunately Jdub, reefcentral does not allow links to the forum you're probably thinking of.

As for the protocol, bring your salinity down to 1.011 over 2 days. Once there the flukes will start dying off and if maintained for 5 days, the eggs should not hatch.

Bringing the fish out of hypo should take much longer. It is stressful on fish to go up more than .002 over a 24 hour period.


Thanks Justinm

Newms118
10/05/2017, 08:10 PM
Yes ageeed, ph change for short amount of time is not a concern and most fish will handle it with no issues. You can add a few drops of the tank water in the freshwater to try to balance it a little.
But if doing full hypo for a few days, then maintaining correct ph is important.

So my QT is 10 gallon and I keep it filled to maybe 8 or 9 gallons. My issue is sure I can drop the salinity, but I dont have a ATO so I worry that me just going to work will be enough time for the water to ruse 0.002+ which could end up hurting the fish apparently. How much water typically evaporates?

So i ordered a black bucket, malachite green and methylene blue since I read both have been used with baths, especially the methylene blue for flukes. My refractometer should come tomorrow so I will try actually looking for flukes over the weekend. Id be shocked to not see a mass maaaaaaass exodus off the fish during the dip.

So far today the fish still just pecks a small bit at food. The tank has a carbon pack in there to pull all drug out. Its strange. The flame usually eats by fully extending its mouth out (like with a kissing fish) to peck at the food. Now it just kind of bumps into it with its mouth and takes a tiny bite, like its afraid to fully extend its mouth. Poor little guy.

Jdub968
10/05/2017, 08:21 PM
I wouldn't worry about the minor SG fluctuations from evaporation just top off the tank in the morning and again when you go to bed it will be fine. It won't hurt the fish at all. Methylene blue I have read will help with respiration supposedly it helps the fish absorb o2, I need to study up on this a bit more. However I would not combine a freshwater dip with MB use the MB in a salt water bath.

Newms118
10/08/2017, 08:57 PM
So I have some bad news, the flame angel died today. I did a freshwater dip and after it was completed, it died probably no more than a few minutes after being back in the QT. I have zero idea what went wrong, and I'm pretty upset at the moment. Here's what I did.

I put 1 gallon of RO/DI water into a black bucket. To raise the pH, I used API Proper pH 8.2. I have a small scale I use to weight out medication, so I weighed out what the bottle said: 1 scoop for 10 gallons. The scale was 1 scoop was 9.3 g, so for 1 gallon, I would use 930 mg.

I placed the black bucket into another 5 gallon bucket with just tap water inside. The heater was in the tap water so that it would raise the temp in the bucket without actually being in the water. I added the 930 mg powder and stirred with a spoon until all the powder was dissolved. I then ran an airstone for about 2 hours while the water heated up. When the temperature was 78 degrees C (same as what it was in the QT), I tested the pH using an API freshwater kit test and the High pH test. The pH was 8.4. I then tested the pH in the QT, it was between 8.0 and 8.1. Since the pH wasnt an exact match, I added 1 cup of RO/DI water to lower the pH. I then let the water aerate for another hour. After testing the water again, the pH was 8.0 or so I thought from the color of the test.

With the pH appearing to match, and the temp matched, I then caught the flame angel with a net and put it in the water with the airstone going. The fish was in the water for 4 minutes and 30 seconds. It behaved like what I've read, it began to lay on the ground and was breathing, so I moved the airstone around so that it would keep swimming around. Had to do that for most of the time the fish was in the water. At some points it would go limp aside from breathing, but if I moved it a bit with the airstone it would snap out of it and start swimming again. It was hard to see if anything was actually coming off the fish with the airstone going, but I kept at it since I didnt want the fish to suffocate.

When the time was up, I caught the fish with the net and put it back in the QT. It started to swim around a bit and breathe normally. It then swam into its tubes and stayed there for a while. After about 20 minutes I checked on it again and realized it wasnt moving. I got it out of the tube and it was completely motionless.

What ****es me off is I looked in the black bucket, I didnt really see anything. There was dust and maybe some bits from the net, but I couldn't really see any type of bug or parasite. So the fish died for nothing.

Now, I have done a FW dip before, on a clownfish, I did something similar to the above and the fish survived. So what could have possibly happened here? Say the pH was off somehow. At most the pH variation was a jump from 8.0 in the QT, to 8.4 in the dip (thats assuming that my final pH test was off and the value was from the first test). Would a difference of 0.4 or 0.6 pH units lead to death in a fish? Especially after people here were saying not to even worry about the pH difference? Is it possible that the alkalinity was off or something? I didnt test the Alk in either the QT water or FW.

Jdub968
10/09/2017, 12:51 AM
I'm sorry to hear the angel died, here's my thoughts on what might have happened Api proper ph 8.2 should not be used in water that doesn't contain salts it can cause an unusually high ph. I know you measured the ph after adding the 8.2 but it requires a hard water source to be stable. In the future don't add any chemicals to a fresh water dip.
I've done freshwater dips on fish with straight tap water with no dechlorinator and everything has turned out ok although I wouldn't recommend do that. One thing I would like you to do is test your Ro water for ammonia it is possible ammonia can make it through a carbon block and the RO membrane, and when you added the 8.2 ph the ammonia converted to free ammonia which is very toxic to fish. If you have ammonia present in your Ro water change your filters

lagatbezan
10/09/2017, 10:39 AM
oh man, so sorry to hear :(