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A. Henin
09/30/2017, 03:29 PM
Helle, Have a green bubble algae problem. Thousands of them invaded my 300 G tank. I have mainly softies and few tangs (Yellow, Purple), angels, and one copperband Butterfly. Nobody seems to have a taste for these ugly things.. My rocks are covered by them, and I am loosing my coralline algae. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

kuzko
09/30/2017, 03:55 PM
Manual removal is pretty much the only way to get rid of it. Cut your siphon hose on a 45 degree angle to give it a point and use the pointy part to scrape the bubbles off the rocks and out of cracks/crevices. Not many other options. You could throw as many emerald crabs as you want in there but it's hit or miss and 300 gallons is quite a bit of room.

kuzko
09/30/2017, 03:56 PM
You could also get a GFO and run it like crazy. Forgot about that. Strip the nitrates/phosphates and reduce feedings and you can probably get it to die off between less feedings and cranking a GFO/Skimmer.

heathlindner25
09/30/2017, 03:57 PM
200 or so emerald crabs might work.

moondoggy4
09/30/2017, 04:17 PM
Is this the small oval shape bubble algae that grows in bunches? Or the large kinda black bubble algae?

A. Henin
09/30/2017, 04:24 PM
Well, They are not black. some may be dark green. Some are oval, some are spherical, and both grow in bunches, in thousands...

A. Henin
09/30/2017, 04:26 PM
I do have about 100 emerald crabs, they are useless with those things..

A. Henin
09/30/2017, 04:28 PM
I was hoping that there is a Tang that have a taste for these things. Manual removal will be a pain in the .... Boy, First the Aiptasia, and now this.....

mcgyvr
09/30/2017, 05:00 PM
post a pic for a positive ID..
Then work on reducing nutrient levels and manually remove what you can..

100 emeralds in a tank? really?

A. Henin
09/30/2017, 06:30 PM
Will post pics as soon as I can. Yes, mcgyvr, 100 emeralds. May be even more. I keep adding emeralds from reeftopia.com, hoping that at least a few will do the job, with no avail.. It is a about 20 years old, big tank with a lot of rocks and corals.

moondoggy4
09/30/2017, 07:50 PM
Let me save you some big bucks on emaralds crabs, I had the the little green buggers by the thousands and I was using Algaefix by API and they just started to dislodge by themselves and would clog my powerheads, now I do not have any. So try Algaefix, manual remove and the emarald crabs that should do the trick.

UTCReefer
10/01/2017, 12:57 AM
Red Sea Desdarjine tang, im not too sure of my spelling though.
Mine eats them after i scrape them free from the rocks. He also picks them off here and there but will always eat them if they float by.

billdogg
10/01/2017, 07:43 AM
I got control of it in my tank using a piece vinyl tubing with a filter sock tied around the end. Just drop the filter sock into the sump and suck away. The first time I did it, I had to stop to empty the sock.

JTL
10/01/2017, 09:11 AM
My lfs was kind enough to give me some with a frag purchase for no charge. Every week I pick off a few in an attempt to keep them localized.

A. Henin
10/01/2017, 09:47 AM
Hello, moondoggy4, I did a very quick search for it, what I found is that it is for ponds. Is it safe for my reef? I hate to kill harm my corals. Did it hurt your coralline algae? Is there a reef safe product of this? Thanks.

A. Henin
10/01/2017, 09:59 AM
Hello, UTCReefer, I will try the Desjardini However, it will be pushing it a little since I already have 8 tangs, 6 yellows, one purple, and one kole. They have been together for over 6 years now, since they were babies, and they get along well, except sometimes........, So adding another one now, will have to be very, very carefully. Wish me luck...

A. Henin
10/01/2017, 10:08 AM
Hello, billdgg, for over 25 years, I read about "siphon" or "sukking away" things from the tank using a "vinyl tubing". I really never new how do you do that.... Your advice is promising, if I knew how to do that. If you would be so kind and explain it to me, I am willing to learn, and will be appreciative to you. If I could do that without the use of chemicals or adding a new tang to be (most likely) killed....... Would be GREAT....... Thanks buddy.

moondoggy4
10/01/2017, 11:39 AM
Hello, moondoggy4, I did a very quick search for it, what I found is that it is for ponds. Is it safe for my reef? I hate to kill harm my corals. Did it hurt your coralline algae? Is there a reef safe product of this? Thanks.


http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4098

They sell both kinds just get the stuff for the reef.

A. Henin
10/01/2017, 11:57 AM
Thanks, moondoggy4, I just placed an order for the marine algaefix. I hope it works. Thank you, Sir.

I am also searching for a large Desjardini, as per UTCReefer's advice, . I am trying to get the largest one I can found so it may survive the Hell I am about to put it in.......

The manual removing is not practical for me. Large tank full of rockwork, and corals. It will be almost impossible to reach every nooks and cranny in this old reef. Not sure how all this started. All it takes is a little frag from a "trusty" friend, and before you know it, Baaaaam! you are in trouble. I hope Aiptasia will not be next...

ROB2005
10/01/2017, 12:41 PM
Whatever you do, try not to pop them when performing manual removal. They will release spores, that will cause new bubbles to grow.

xCry0x
10/01/2017, 02:18 PM
I got bubble algae years ago from a lfs frag when I didn't know what bubble algae was. Definitely feels impossible to get rid of. I upgraded tanks and scrubbed it off all of my rocks with a toothbrush and within a year my new tank is completely infested.

Just started dosing vibrant, weekly doses 4th dose was yesterday. Some of the bubbles seems to be turning a grey/green so hoping chemical treatment will finally do the trick. Side note, vibrant has quickly eradicated my red turf algae and my glass barely has any buildup throughout the week.

Hearing bubble takes a solid two months to see an impact with vibrant, will see. Manual removal is a joke imo. I scrape it weekly barley makes a dent though.

A. Henin
10/01/2017, 02:55 PM
Hello xCry0x, Another new chemical! I just ordered something called algaefix based on an advice I received here. Now, here is another one. I wonder how much did I miss? I just returned from Hell (my 3rd deployment). Lord welling, will be no more. It is nice to know that they came up with several solutions to these problems. Please let us know how it works. Thanks.

xCry0x
10/01/2017, 05:17 PM
Yup will share results.. if I remember! Was glad to find some chemical options. Can say what you want about phosphate control,I feel like bubble algae could grow on dry land lol..

JTL
10/01/2017, 06:48 PM
Just curious. Why do people let this nasty stuff get so out of control?

A. Henin
10/01/2017, 06:57 PM
Well my friend, some of us are lazy, some are not very smart, some lak wisdom, some are not around enough, some are busy working for a living, and don't usually have the time or energy to deal with all these problems, some have bitten more than they could shew, some are all of the above, like I feel sometimes............
You are correct, We shouldn't, but we do. Sorry..

billdogg
10/01/2017, 08:24 PM
For me, I use a pice of 5/8 tubing about 8’ long. Tie the sock securely to one end and plop it into the sump. Submerge a couple feet of the other end so that it fills with water. Place a finger over the end (keeping it submerged) but allow the rest to come to Vet the side. Take your first never off the end and a siphon will start.


For regular water changes I use a Python Siphon. It hooks to a faucet and creates a Venturi to start suction. Waste water goes down the drain. No buckets to schlep!!!!

alton
10/02/2017, 06:49 AM
Vibrant is a choice just be careful. Once you notice the bubble algae subsiding stop the use of Vibrant, if not when your bubble algae is gone, it will attack other organisms/corals in the tank. There are multiple strains of bubble algae, one of which is the larger and you just have to pluck it out and its gone. The one that most have now including me cannot be starved out of Nitrates or Phosphates because your coralline algae will gone before the bubble is, it is that dominant.

xCry0x
10/02/2017, 02:40 PM
Just curious. Why do people let this nasty stuff get so out of control?

It got into my tank early on before I really understood what I was doing. I wouldn't say I "let it get out of control" in the sense that I was passive or lazy about it.

When I migrated from my nano to my current RSM 250 I took all my rockwork out and scrubbed it with a tooth brush to remove all the bubble algae.

Within 2 weeks I noticed the algae in my new tank -- I quickly removed the bubbles I saw.

The issue is it grows deep in the rock work and from there gets all over the place. Need to remove all the rocks to fight it -- which isn't always a viable option in a rank with grown in corals. I have chalices and montis gluing rocks together that would break if I tried to remove everything.

xCry0x
10/02/2017, 02:43 PM
Vibrant is a choice just be careful. Once you notice the bubble algae subsiding stop the use of Vibrant, if not when your bubble algae is gone, it will attack other organisms/corals in the tank. There are multiple strains of bubble algae, one of which is the larger and you just have to pluck it out and its gone. The one that most have now including me cannot be starved out of Nitrates or Phosphates because your coralline algae will gone before the bubble is, it is that dominant.

Were you unsuccessful using Vibrant to fight it?

I was originally going to try Fluconazole but then in the main r2r thread on that topic I read that people had success with Vibrant so figured I would start there.

JTL
10/02/2017, 03:00 PM
Let me rephrase. To me "out of control" is when nothing is done to fight it or hair algae for that matter when it is a minor inconvenience. I have had bubble and HA in every tank I have owned but every week or even sometimes more we (my wife more so than me) pick it out. I once had a tank and neglected it for a while and it took a major effort to clean it up. I often wonder how people that win TOTM keep such a prestine environment. I suspect lots of hours of work.

xCry0x
10/02/2017, 03:20 PM
Ah got it; I use an old dental scaler to scrape it off my rocks almost every time I do a water change.

Realistically hair algae and bubble are very different in my mind; hair algae is somewhat normal and relatively easy to fight.

Bubble algae is like any other pest and comes in through lack of knowledge and lack of QT.

I know what frag it came in on because I remember seeing it on the frag and scraping the bubbles off before plopping it in my tank.

With what I know now, I would never have bought the frag in the first place and would have made a point to remove frag from plug for any other frag I bought from the store.

It is among the many many lessons learned over time hah.

I would be interested to know how many of these tank of the month tanks actually had to deal with something like bubble algae or bryopsis. If I was starting over from scratch I feel like I could fairly easily avoid getting that junk in my tank in the first place. =)

skimjim
10/02/2017, 03:36 PM
I use to have this problem until....

I bought a glass-encased tube that emits UV-C blue light.
Ever walk into a hospital or retail store and see a light-blue light up by the ceiling?
.....thats a UV-C light to keep the place as germ-free as possible

You can find up to 15watt SUBMERSIBLE ones people put in the top of their water heaters to purify their hot water used throughout the home. Just google "submersible UV-C"

I have a 15watt submersible UV-C tube emitting light in my corner OVERFLOW.

CAUTION: this light will kill corals and fish if the light shines into the tank.
So i have mine in my overflow and the light DOESNOT shine anywhere in the tank.

CAUTION: you also need to shade your eyes working with it.....
bc long exposure to UV-C rays can damage your vision.
UV-C is wicked, BUT IT WORKS for your tank if you use God-given common sense!

Here's one of the few places you can buy it.
You use to be able to buy them all over the place.
My guess is the EPA has stepped in..... I SWEAR by them though:
https://www.ebay.com/i/382140403083?chn=ps&var=651007367038&dispItem=1

.....and NO i'm not the seller, just a happy customer who's tank is in awesome shape bc of UV-C

Once I had the UV-C light going....I POPPED all those green algae bubbles releasing millions and millions of SPORES !BUT!
the UV-C killed all the spores before they could regenerate elsewhere in the watercolumn.

Using a UV-C has made my water clarity 100% crystal clear. I also dont have to worry about ICH bc it kills just about everything thats singlecell parasite or algae in the watercolumn.

I wouldn't go without this submersible UV-C light. Besides my skimmer, its the 2nd-most essential part of my tank's health.

JTL
10/02/2017, 03:37 PM
At this point the BA is on 2 frags. My wife seems to think she can keep picking it off. I told her to remove the coral from the plug and see if that fixes the problem. My concern is this will spread to other corals and then we will have a mess. Right now the tank is only 2 months old and has about 50 frags, positioned into the aquascape, a year or two from now it will be a lot different.

xCry0x
10/02/2017, 03:52 PM
Get it out before it spreads =)

https://i.imgur.com/eJHuc7Hl.jpg

It is a mess, can't even reach everywhere it is and crabs don't really seem to make a huge dent.

JTL
10/02/2017, 03:57 PM
^ will do.

skimjim
10/02/2017, 04:02 PM
OP.... did you read my UV-C advice?

xCry0x
10/02/2017, 04:13 PM
Using a UV sterilizer for the spores definitely sounds like one of the few good reasons to use a sterilizer on a reef tank =)

I'm going to let the Vibrant dosing go for another month before exploring more options.

For the record, I run GFO in a reactor and my tank is fairly stripped -- Hanna ULR is usually a 3-4.

JTL
10/02/2017, 05:20 PM
At this point we don't have spores since we take the frag out to pick off the BA so UV is not something I am going to mess with. I tried UV in 80's when it was all the hot thing for Ich, didn't do much.

pfan151
10/03/2017, 12:49 AM
I do have about 100 emerald crabs, they are useless with those things..



Odd. I have one emerald crab in my 30g that was covered like in your pick and he eats it all day long. I have very few left in the tank at this point. My crab is an Atlantic emerald. Green with hairy legs.


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alton
10/03/2017, 08:43 AM
Were you unsuccessful using Vibrant to fight it?

I was originally going to try Fluconazole but then in the main clay-boa thread on that topic I read that people had success with Vibrant so figured I would start there.

Yes it worked great on helping control it on my 180.

alton
10/03/2017, 08:45 AM
Odd. I have one emerald crab in my 30g that was covered like in your pick and he eats it all day long. I have very few left in the tank at this point. My crab is an Atlantic emerald. Green with hairy legs.


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emeralds work on certain strains, they will not touch the strain I have. I have even tried the red emeralds

alton
10/03/2017, 08:50 AM
At this point the BA is on 2 frags. My wife seems to think she can keep picking it off. I told her to remove the coral from the plug and see if that fixes the problem. My concern is this will spread to other corals and then we will have a mess. Right now the tank is only 2 months old and has about 50 frags, positioned into the aquascape, a year or two from now it will be a lot different.

Remove immediately and place frags on clean rock. I have fragged many corals from my 180 that has some bubble algae, and placed in other tanks and the bubble algae did not follow the corals into the new tanks. I introduced the strain I have by buying a clam from a fellow reefer. I thought I could just pick it off too, WRONG.

xCry0x
10/03/2017, 01:43 PM
Remove immediately and place frags on clean rock. I have fragged many corals from my 180 that has some bubble algae, and placed in other tanks and the bubble algae did not follow the corals into the new tanks. I introduced the strain I have by buying a clam from a fellow reefer. I thought I could just pick it off too, WRONG.

Yup!

I have learned that the best way to take in new frags is to re-frag them -- if possible remove from plug and attach to a new, clean plug.

xCry0x
10/03/2017, 01:44 PM
Yes it worked great on helping control it on my 180.

Glad to hear - I am hopeful that between the dosing and manual removal it will start to dissipate here over the next 30 days.

It also seems to be helping with my red turf algae -- at least the turf seems to not be growing anymore so my snails are able to effectively fight it back =)

JTL
10/03/2017, 04:35 PM
Remove immediately and place frags on clean rock. I have fragged many corals from my 180 that has some bubble algae, and placed in other tanks and the bubble algae did not follow the corals into the new tanks. I introduced the strain I have by buying a clam from a fellow reefer. I thought I could just pick it off too, WRONG.

Have never fragged. It is on one zoa with at least 40 polyps and of course it keeps coming up from the middle of the cluster. The other is on a Duncan put it keeps popping up on the frag. Do we just scrape off the Duncan and re-glue?

alton
10/03/2017, 07:28 PM
Sorry I only moved Sps and frogspawn frags

xCry0x
10/04/2017, 11:49 AM
Zoa's are fairly easy to frag -- just be sure to wear gloves and goggles.

They basically attach as a mat, you can get a razor blade under the mat and peel the whole thing off the plug - or even off a rock. Then you just superglue it to a new frag plug.

Uncle99
10/04/2017, 12:49 PM
Emeral crabs only eat the small bubbles.
You should carefully inspect each and every addition to your aquarium and dip..dip...dip...must easier before they are in the aquarium.
Reduce the white light, strip the phosphate with a GFO, make sure your PH is 8.4

JTL
10/04/2017, 01:00 PM
I think we fixed our little issue. The Duncan was easy and there was some BA in between the stalks, only one or two but gone now. The zoa was on a small rock we we got it so we did not move it to a new rock. Once the polyps were removed there were several small bubbles in the rock holes. It would have kept coming back. I got this coral from a lfs that I no longer do business with for a variety of reasons. BA can obviously grow in very clean environments since my tank has zero phosphate and nitrates that are <5. Thankfully no HA.

BFG
10/04/2017, 03:14 PM
For my 120 gallon tank , a juvenile vlamingii tang is the only fish that totally cleared this bubble algae . Found this out by chance when a colleague bought this fish by mistake and he appeared at my doorstep with this fish in a bag . I wasnt too keen in having any tang in my tank but since I have a tank full of bubble algae , I told him just dump the fish in my tank . Less than a week , this fish single handedly cleared every bubble algae that I can see and then some .

But this fish grew ! It also was able to stand its own ground against my large green wrasse , which killed my mystery wrasse when I add it to the tank months before . Long story short , I traded both vlamingii and green wrasse for a group of firefish at my lfs . Not a single green bubble appeared again and this tank has been running since 2006 . Till now , there are no sighting of even a single bubble in my tank . Unfortunately , I am planning for a new tank as this current tank had a large scratch in the front pane of the glass .