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allendehl
10/04/2017, 10:36 AM
Well,

My TBS rock just came and to my newbies eyes are WONDERFUL. It came with an insane amount of life on them. So much that I got a baby octopus with them!!! No sure what to do with it so please let me know quick. I kept it in the bag with water until I know if I can put it in the cycling tank or not.
Below are several pics. Of course I have no idea what is in the rocks so I'd greatly appreciate if you help me I'd.

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allendehl
10/04/2017, 10:37 AM
Baby octopus and more. The thing I'm holding in my hand above is soft and spits out water.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/a5bb719fe941dbc77e70be8d56af1ee3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/b1cf720240cf588f53d90caa59bb8efb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/e5b166d561c5d54a28a3082b6dc1fa39.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/11d31c3f4d5abe6e95a3abfd81c104f2.jpg

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ktownhero
10/04/2017, 11:02 AM
Rock looks great but the baby octopus makes me sad. I would see if an LFS will take it from you. They are very intelligent and difficult to keep. They WILL escape any tank you put them in.

tjm9331
10/04/2017, 11:10 AM
Rock looks great but the baby octopus makes me sad. I would see if an LFS will take it from you. They are very intelligent and difficult to keep. They WILL escape any tank you put them in.

agreed, rock looks amazing and should be chalk full of life but get that little guy to a LFS or perhaps see if a local aquarium will take him. what ever you decide you got to do it quick cause I'm sure he won't last long in the bag.

JTL
10/04/2017, 11:19 AM
Maybe just release him into the Atlantic.

allendehl
10/04/2017, 11:22 AM
No chances I can keep it in the tank?

JTL
10/04/2017, 11:23 AM
Your chances of keeping that little creature alive in your tank is less than zero.

Potatohead
10/04/2017, 11:30 AM
Maybe just release him into the Atlantic.

I would do this

allendehl
10/04/2017, 11:43 AM
I am far from the ocean and will not be able to make it today. Best chances are to give it to a LFS and hope they'll take good care of it.
Do I normally get credits for these giveaways to the LFSs?

allendehl
10/04/2017, 12:18 PM
...also can you help ID the stuff in the rocks?

devastator007
10/04/2017, 12:49 PM
I am far from the ocean and will not be able to make it today. Best chances are to give it to a LFS and hope they'll take good care of it.
Do I normally get credits for these giveaways to the LFSs?

sometimes you get credit, and sometimes not. depends on the store and what you give. I think if you get half what they retail for you're lucky. I've also given away fish and starfish for 10% of what they were worth because I couldn't keep them. Beggers cant be choosers, and I'd rather see the animals live than try to make a buck off of them. In the case of the octopus, you'd sort of be giving away a burden as the LFS will have a hard time getting rid of it and taking care of it as well, so I swouldn't espect anything in return for that one.

allendehl
10/04/2017, 12:53 PM
sometimes you get credit, and sometimes not. depends on the store and what you give. I think if you get half what they retail for you're lucky. I've also given away fish and starfish for 10% of what they were worth because I couldn't keep them. Beggers cant be choosers, and I'd rather see the animals live than try to make a buck off of them. In the case of the octopus, you'd sort of be giving away a burden as the LFS will have a hard time getting rid of it and taking care of it as well, so I swouldn't espect anything in return for that one.

Thank you devastator, just learning the ropes on how the relationship with the LFS works. I am trying to establish a good connection with them. This could be a good opportunity for both, me and my baby octopus friend. Hard to send him away tho :)

Breadman03
10/04/2017, 12:58 PM
Thank you devastator, just learning the ropes on how the relationship with the LFS works. I am trying to establish a good connection with them. This could be a good opportunity for both, me and my baby octopus friend. Hard to send him away tho :)

You could also look through the reef clubs listed here (http://reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=535) for clubs local to you, then post it up for grabs. Keep in mind that RC rules state that you can't sell, but you're good to give stuff away.

allendehl
10/04/2017, 05:30 PM
Well...little friend is in the LFS. Did post it in my local reef club but the one person interested was late.

Now...any help IDing the rest of the stuff? LFS guy told me most are sponges.

thegrun
10/04/2017, 10:45 PM
Most of what I see are sponges, a few may survive, but most will likely die in an aquarium.

Xxero
10/05/2017, 12:02 AM
I'm not 100% positive, but that green macro plant looks like Caulerpa Mexicana to me. I would try to kill every bit of that or else it has the potential to root into all of your rockwork. It can be a real nuisance. :bigeyes:

Xxero
10/05/2017, 12:10 AM
:lmao: Sorry, just saw your other thread asking about the Caulerpa.

Ron Reefman
10/05/2017, 05:25 AM
Most of the live stuff I can see on your rock will probably die, like most sponges do if out of the water. However, some do tolerate it and may survive. The coral is not photosynthetic and odds are it will die. The algae is the opposite extreme, it can grow like crazy and can completely over run your tank.

I tried some TBS live rock in a 65g shallow reef and the algae grew everywhere. I also got flat worms that I'm still trying to get rid of. The only thing I think TBS live rock is good for is if you are doing a VERY wild and natural tank. Never for a coral reef!

cincyjim
10/05/2017, 05:51 AM
I have to disagree with you Ron (first time I think) on your view that TBS rock is not good for a reef. I integrated TBS rock with my rock when I upgraded tanks and I could not be any happier. I got a thing or two that I didn't want but that was okay... it was a known risk. You have a point with the algae but my tangs ate every bit of algae (good and bad) that came on the rocks. The bio diversity cannot be beat in my opinion! I still have a fist size oyster in the tank that came on the rock not to mention a dollar (coin) size scallop that's still alive in my refugium. All the good stuff definitely out weighs the bad.

Ron Reefman
10/05/2017, 06:10 AM
I have to disagree with you Ron (first time I think) on your view that TBS rock is not good for a reef. I integrated TBS rock with my rock when I upgraded tanks and I could not be any happier. I got a thing or two that I didn't want but that was okay... it was a known risk. You have a point with the algae but my tangs ate every bit of algae (good and bad) that came on the rocks. The bio diversity cannot be beat in my opinion! I still have a fist size oyster in the tank that came on the rock not to mention a dollar (coin) size scallop that's still alive in my refugium. All the good stuff definitely out weighs the bad.

No argument with me, just a difference of opinion. I didn't have any tangs in my tank so the algae was an issue. But I have lots of critters that won't tolerate Flatworm Exit and the flat worm population has been a long term PITA! Not so sure you'd feel the good out weighs the bad if you got more of the bad. :thumbsup:

bobt2
10/05/2017, 06:11 AM
the tbs web site has a great id on the critters that come with the rock.i have had a few tbs tanks. I would never do any other rock. the stuff the local shops sell is junk imo.

liverock
10/05/2017, 06:13 AM
Well,

My TBS rock just came and to my newbies eyes are WONDERFUL. It came with an insane amount of life on them. So much that I got a baby octopus with them!!! No sure what to do with it so please let me know quick. I kept it in the bag with water until I know if I can put it in the cycling tank or not.
Below are several pics. Of course I have no idea what is in the rocks so I'd greatly appreciate if you help me I'd.

Thanks!!!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/f137db50eeb61d475bb129937b021c07.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/66d27fdb48ba82f9c21ac016729d2d33.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/b177ef98b4a4dc1b52ba28a5094861bc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/d655889ea7ab65947231804d340e3a44.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/3e15ab7726cb69f28286491fc76fdf0d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/bad286ecacd0ec77ea84b7d2b20b5fc8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/96aa8bd301d0aab39ce82a251af01543.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/22b7bd1497aad00691b6a62167c25e22.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/3c4edb62c2b27ecd8f7f0b4322dc20e9.jpg

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IT is sad that the information on live rock has become so skewed. The industry has changed so much in 30 years as what is available to you the hobbyist in the stores now is dead rock, fake rock, ceramic rock...ect.

Real live rock has been around and used for over 35 years in reef tanks. Bio diversity is a wonderful thing for a reef tank, unfortunately there is not enough real live rock from the ocean available, thus you as hobbyist are stuck with fake rock in your local stores.

All the life is beneficial for your reef tank, including macros. Like anything else some pruning of them is needed eventually but the benefit of them is immense in a saltwater tank.

The octopus will do fine, it is a gulf dwarf. I have sold thousands of the over the years and they are great and interesting critters for a real saltwater tank. Dr. Caldwell from University of Berkeley has done a lot of research on them over the years from specimens we have supplied him. Easy to keep, just keep it fed. They have a two year lifespan, yours is a Juvenal, most likely less than a year old.

The knee jerk reaction of real life on the rocks is a direct result of what is not available to you the hobbyist anymore in your stores. Like any anemone observed on live rock is instantly labeled, "Aptasia" horrible, kill it, remove it from your tank. Where in reality there are many, many anemones that occur on real live rock that are fine for saltwater tanks. You have been conditioned by the internet to "Kill" any anemone that pops up.

See that coral growing on the rock, and all the other life...it will do fine in a saltwater tank. Personally to me a saltwater tank is an mirror of what the real reef in the Gulf looks like, not a pile of white dead rock or painted rock.

To each his own.


and this email just came in as I was posting this.... so I will add it....this is what happens when real live rock and sand from the Gulf is used...

I'm sure you hear this all the time but hopefully you don't get tired of it: That rock and sand is amazing! I had set up my tank with dry rock but no sand yet. I found out about your live sand and decided that was the way to go. The tank had been cycling for about one month, was looking good but the water was still a little cloudy. I put in your sand and the couple pieces of rock I ordered, and within one day the water was crystal clear! And the live rock of course puts the dry rock to shame. If I ever set up another reef tank it will be 100% TBS rock and sand. Nothing beats mother nature!

Thanks again,

Jared

cincyjim
10/05/2017, 06:21 AM
No argument with me, just a difference of opinion. I didn't have any tangs in my tank so the algae was an issue. But I have lots of critters that won't tolerate Flatworm Exit and the flat worm population has been a long term PITA! Not so sure you'd feel the good out weighs the bad if you got more of the bad. :thumbsup:

Hey Ron, have you thought about a Wrasse? I've also read where Peppermint Shrimp eat flat worms. I have no idea if that is true or not though. Just a thought.

d2mini
10/05/2017, 06:58 AM
IT is sad the the information on live rock has become so skewed. The industry has changed so much in 30 years as what is available to you the hobbyist in the stores now is dead rock, fake rock, ceramic rock...ect.

Real live rock has been around and used for over 35 years in reef tanks. Bio diversity is a wonderful thing for a reef tank, unfortunately there is not enough real live rock from the ocean available, thus you as hobbyist are stuck with fake rock in your local stores.

All the life is beneficial for your reef tank, including macros. Like anything else some pruning of them is needed eventually but the benefit of them is immense in a saltwater tank.

The octopus will do fine, it is a gulf dwarf. I have sold thousands of the over the years and they are great and interesting critters for a real saltwater tank. Dr. Caldwell from University of Berkeley has done a lot of research on them over the years from specimens we have supplied him. Easy to keep, just keep it fed. They have a two year lifespan, yours is a Juvenal, most likely less than a year old.

The knee jerk reaction of real life on the rocks is a direct result of what is not available to you the hobbyist anymore in your stores. Like any anemone observed on live rock is instantly labeled, "Aptasia" horrible, kill it, remove it from your tank. Where in reality there are many, many anemones that occur on real live rock that are fine for saltwater tanks. You have been conditioned by the internet to "Kill" any anemone that pops up.

See that coral growing on the rock, and all the other life...it will do fine in a saltwater tank. Personally to me a saltwater tank is an mirror of what the real reef in the Gulf looks like, not a pile of white dead rock or painted rock.

To each his own.


and this email just came in as I was posting this.... so I will add it....this is what happens when real live rock and sand from the Gulf is used...

I'm sure you hear this all the time but hopefully you don't get tired of it: That rock and sand is amazing! I had set up my tank with dry rock but no sand yet. I found out about your live sand and decided that was the way to go. The tank had been cycling for about one month, was looking good but the water was still a little cloudy. I put in your sand and the couple pieces of rock I ordered, and within one day the water was crystal clear! And the live rock of course puts the dry rock to shame. If I ever set up another reef tank it will be 100% TBS rock and sand. Nothing beats mother nature!

Thanks again,

Jared

Preach, brother!
I was scrolling through this thread about to go off on a rant and then this guy goes and says it all and more.

I didn't know about the Octopus though! Didn't realize they existed in the gulf. That's pretty cool. :)

Allendehl, enjoy that rock! Did you get "the package" or just the rock?
That bit above about the sand is especially true.

ginpang
10/05/2017, 06:58 AM
I would try to get to a public aquarium.

I happened to me where I used to work.
I had been in the hobby for about a decade back then.
I bought a closed aquarium for it and siliconed the openings for the wiring.

I fed it live ghost shrimp and baby hermits.
Kept it in a dimly light room and covered 3 sides of the aquarium to reduce the stress.
Finally when I figured he was acclimated and used to me approaching the aquarium to feed him 4 weeks later....I tried to take a picture and it inked itself .
I didnít have enough water ready to do a major to complete water change so it dragged for about an hour .. and he didnít make it.
[emoji853]
So basically if you want to try this have at least 3 times the volume of saltwater ready to go just in case he nukes the tank.
A good stash of carbon , purigen or whatever other efficient organic remover.
Also stress zero confined to a separate room where no one goes for awhile.

Good luck


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allendehl
10/05/2017, 07:05 AM
The octopus will do fine, it is a gulf dwarf. I have sold thousands of the over the years and they are great and interesting critters for a real saltwater tank. Dr. Caldwell from University of Berkeley has done a lot of research on them over the years from specimens we have supplied him. Easy to keep, just keep it fed. They have a two year lifespan, yours is a Juvenal, most likely less than a year old.

See that coral growing on the rock, and all the other life...it will do fine in a saltwater tank.

Thank you all, this is why I am so glad to have found this forum, I can't say it enough times. Bunch of good people, with lots of experience and very respectful of newbies and everyone in general.

Now Jared, I gave the octopus away to a LFS but I could call them and take it back if it won't become a peril to my tank or fish or vice-versa. The fella is sticky as hell and I have a rimless tank, I am afraid I may find him on my bedside any morning and that's the end of my marriage :)
Also the tank just started cycle about 4 days to go so it still have some time left. Would it be safe to put it in there?...if so, what does he eat?

About the rocks, I apologize for the dumb question but...which one is the coral? The blue crystal-like? I though so but it is soft to the touch, on the other hand the spongy like brown stuff with the white spot on it is hard, I was told it is a dead coral by the guys in my LFS.

Thank you!

allendehl
10/05/2017, 07:07 AM
Most of the live stuff I can see on your rock will probably die, like most sponges do if out of the water. However, some do tolerate it and may survive.

Ron, is there anything I can do to rescue as many sponges as possible? Also...is it a problem them dying in the tank?...should I be worried about phosphates or the health of the tank in general with so many potential sponges dying in it?

liverock
10/05/2017, 07:14 AM
Ron, is there anything I can do to rescue as many sponges as possible? Also...is it a problem them dying in the tank?...should I be worried about phosphates or the health of the tank in general with so many potential sponges dying in it?

No 'rescue' needed....everything will be fine in your tank.....best not to expose the rock to the air...do some reading here from folks who have the rock...

http://tbsaltwater.com/testimonials/index.html

d2mini
10/05/2017, 07:28 AM
Here's my current TBS tank after just 4 months.
I already had a lot of the coral and had no choice but to put it in, immediately following the addition of Part II.
Everything survived. No pest issues. Macros, tunicates and sponges slowly wither away or get eaten which is expected, but now I'm at the 6 month mark and still have some of the sponges and other stuff can still be found.

https://photos.smugmug.com/OLD-STUFF/Aquariums/Elos-Reef/n-xp7TPB/i-JtrR5QK/0/9c698fd3/X2/i-JtrR5QK-X2.jpg


I've also got this guy...

https://photos.smugmug.com/OLD-STUFF/Aquariums/Elos-Reef/n-xp7TPB/i-wGh6BX2/0/27a366c5/O/i-wGh6BX2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/OLD-STUFF/Aquariums/Elos-Reef/n-xp7TPB/i-m8grd6X/0/66b77e5a/O/i-m8grd6X.jpg


You'll probably see a lot of these pop up too.

https://photos.smugmug.com/OLD-STUFF/Aquariums/Elos-Reef/n-xp7TPB/i-G39WTd6/0/7712050f/O/i-G39WTd6.jpg

ginpang
10/05/2017, 07:33 AM
I forgot to mention a tank where the octopus will be the only occupant , besides his food.

Perhaps I thought it obvious.


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ginpang
10/05/2017, 07:43 AM
No 'rescue' needed....everything will be fine in your tank.....best not to expose the rock to the air...do some reading here from folks who have the rock...



http://tbsaltwater.com/testimonials/index.html



+1 expose to air as little as possible , thought sometimes the fear or dying will make them multiply depends on the type of sponge.
This happened when I was pulling out rocks to scrub with a potato brush to get rid of dynoflagellates.
About 6 months ago , Iím thinking aplysilla species. 1 big one exploded into 25-30 babies.


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allendehl
10/05/2017, 08:03 AM
Can someone point out which one is the coral on my rocks?

Thanks!

liverock
10/05/2017, 09:27 AM
Can someone point out which one is the coral on my rocks?

Thanks!

use this list.... http://tbsaltwater.com/thepackage/organisms.html


and ck out #19
http://tbsaltwater.com/thepackage/organisms.html

Bulldog39
10/05/2017, 11:36 AM
What is tbs rock???

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allendehl
10/05/2017, 11:39 AM
What is tbs rock???

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Live rock bought from Tampabaysaltwater.com

It's really amazing.

Bulldog39
10/05/2017, 11:43 AM
Live rock bought from Tampabaysaltwater.com

It's really amazing.Cool that's where I'm from. Have to check them out nd see prices

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DavisGandJessie
10/05/2017, 09:07 PM
Keep it in your tank. My ammonia never went up when I cycled my tank because of all the good bacteria in the rock. It'll be cycled in a couple weeks. You might get a 1ppm ammonia, do a water change. I had zero loss on everything that came in with the rocks. 2 starfish, 4 urchins, crabs, snails, rock anemone, and so much more. Only problem is all those sponges will most likely die as you kept them out of water so you may have spike in ammonia. I would definitely say keep the Octopus. Those rocks are really really good with cycling new tanks.


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Ron Reefman
10/06/2017, 02:54 AM
Hey Ron, have you thought about a Wrasse? I've also read where Peppermint Shrimp eat flat worms. I have no idea if that is true or not though. Just a thought.

Thanks for the idea, as it turns out I just got 2 wrasses a few days ago. These flat worms don't cause much trouble. They seem to gather on live rock, bare sand and the tank glass but not on any corals? However, they do reproduce like rabbits and make the tank look bad. The population in my 50g anemone tank seems to be going down slightly, probably due to over population.

cincyjim
10/06/2017, 04:23 AM
Great! I've seen videos of where those things look to be swarming there are so many of them. I'm glad you are getting ahead of them!