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Dlckwood
01/24/2004, 12:51 AM
Hey everyone, I thought it would be cool to have a list of all the clowns and pictures of them all on the same page. I'm not positive if they all have the right picture but feel free to to post the right picture if I'm wrong. Enjoy

Amphiprion akallopisos - Skunk Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AmphiprionAkallopisos.jpg

Amphiprion akindynos - Barrier Reef Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AmphiprionAkindynos.jpg

Amphiprion allardi - Allard's Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AmphiprionAllardi.jpg

Amphiprion bicinctus - Two-band Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AmphiprionBicinctus.jpg

Amphiprion chagosensis - Chagos Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AmphiprionChagosensis.jpg

Amphiprion chrysogaster - Mauritian Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionchrysogaster.jpg

Amphiprion chrysopterus - Orange-fin Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionchrysopterus.jpg

Amphiprion clarkii - Clarks Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionclarkii.jpg

Heres a black variant
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionclarkiiblackvariant.jpg

Amphiprion ephippium - Red Saddleback (Fire) Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionephippium.jpg

Dlckwood
01/24/2004, 12:51 AM
Amphiprion frenatus - Tomato Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionfrenatus.jpg

Amphiprion fuscocaudatus - Seychelles Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionfuscocaudatus.bmp

Amphiprion latezonatus – Wide band Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionlatezonatus.jpg

Amphiprion latifasciatus – Madagascar Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Amphiprionlatifasciatus.jpg

Amphiprion leucokranos – White Bonnet (cap) Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/leuco037.jpg

Amphiprion mccllochi – McCulloch’s Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/mcc.jpg

Amphiprion melanopus – Red and Black (Cinnamon) Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONMELANOPUS.jpg

Amphiprion nigripes – Black Footed Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONNIGRIPES.jpg

Amphiprion ocellaris – False Percula, False Clown
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONOCELLARIS.jpg

Heres a black variant of A. ocellaris
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/black_ocellaris_pair_small.jpg

Dlckwood
01/24/2004, 12:53 AM
Amphiprion omanensis – Oman Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONOMANENSIS.jpg

Amphiprion percula – True Percula
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONpercula.jpg

SI (Solomon Island) Percula
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/sipercula.jpg

Onyx Percula
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/onyx.jpg

Amphiprion perideraion – Pink Scunk Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONPERIDERAION.jpg

Amphiprion polymnus - Saddleback Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONPOLYMNUS.jpg

Amphiprion rubrocinctus – Australian Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONRUBROCINCTUS.jpg

Amphiprion sandaracinos – Orange Scunk Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONSANDARACINOS.jpg

Amphiprion sebae – Sebae Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONSEBAE.jpg

Amphiprion thiellei – Thielle’s Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/thiellei.jpg

Dlckwood
01/24/2004, 12:53 AM
Amphiprion tricinctus – Three band Clownfish
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/AMPHIPRIONTRICINCTUS.jpg

Premnas biaculeatus – Maroon Clownfish
Gold strip
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/Premnas_biaculeatusgold.jpg

White strip
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/PREMNASBIACULEATUSwhite.jpg

DLCKWOOD:p

liv4speed1
01/24/2004, 08:26 AM
Looks great, looking at all the pictures going down I could hear myself saying, "I want that, that, that, a pair of that, that, and that".

Nice post!

Soccer
01/24/2004, 10:33 AM
Darn it! I wish I could have a look but all I am seeing is red X's, anyone else?

GuidoSarduchi
01/24/2004, 11:01 AM
I see red x's as well.

darn.

hubris007
01/24/2004, 11:02 AM
ditto.

acrohead
01/24/2004, 11:04 AM
my guess is they all came from the same clutch as they all have that same red "X" marking on them....

MaeThunder
01/24/2004, 11:12 AM
All i get are red X's too. :(

hubris007
01/24/2004, 11:39 AM
great idea, though. i hope you get it to work.

Sting
01/24/2004, 11:41 AM
i only see red x's

liv4speed1
01/24/2004, 12:20 PM
works fine for me. touchy server

JHardman
01/24/2004, 12:27 PM
Maybe Carlos could host the pictures?

sagitariuscbc
01/24/2004, 12:28 PM
They looked really nice last night! Now I see just red X's.


All my X's live in Texas!

nanocat
01/24/2004, 01:47 PM
So if you have a pair X + X , then they produce x ?

What if some of them are xxx and some are xx , are these acceptable color morphs :D

SlavicSavage
01/24/2004, 01:50 PM
X + X = 2X heh gooooooo algebra!

hubris007
01/24/2004, 02:24 PM
Unfortunately, they'd all be female and die out, unless they reproduced assexually. (XX)

66chevelle
01/24/2004, 04:47 PM
Boo Hiss....all x's :(
I wanted to see the pics...lol

Cinthia

66chevelle
01/24/2004, 04:47 PM
Boo Hiss....all x's :(
I wanted to see the pics...lol

Cinthia

TheUltimateNoob
01/24/2004, 05:21 PM
Yup, all Xs here too.

Dlckwood
01/24/2004, 06:15 PM
Sorry everyone, the picture will be back up in a few minutes. Just upgraded my account for this thread.
DLCKWOOD:p

Dlckwood
01/24/2004, 06:31 PM
In order to view the pictures you may need to clear your history by going to Tools and then Internet options.
DLCKWOOD:p

Soccer
01/24/2004, 09:26 PM
Okay, works for me now! BTW, if it doesn't work the 1st time you may need to refresh the page.

Great pics and thanx for posting them for us!

angiras
01/25/2004, 01:04 AM
great thread dlckwood.

-Ben

ReefGeekster
01/25/2004, 03:34 AM
Wow! Great job, did you have to take all those pics? If you did you did a nice job! :) And alot of pateince. Kudos!

MaeThunder
01/25/2004, 10:32 AM
Dickwood,
They work for me now. They are great!
I'm beginning to see and understand what is ment by body shape, etc. Thank you for posting them.
Mae

JHardman
01/25/2004, 11:37 AM
Good job!

I think your first picture is of an orange skunk (A. Sandaracinos) though.

I will see if one of the locals here will share his pictures of A. sebae as the one you found is not very representative of the species, not very pretty fish in that one.

Oh Vince, can you post a big version of your avatar?

Dlckwood
01/25/2004, 06:41 PM
I think the only difference between Amphiprion akallopisos and Amphiprion sandaracinos is that Amphiprion akallopisos is a little more of a peachish pink color compared to the orange of Amphiprion sandaracinos.
DLCKWOOD:p

saltgirl
01/25/2004, 10:28 PM
Very nice! That should be in the archives.

CeCe803
01/25/2004, 11:11 PM
Thank you! That must have taken a bit of work to locate and post all those photos. I've been looking for a good pic of A. bicinctus
:-)

Dlckwood
01/26/2004, 12:59 AM
ReefGeekster, I wish I was able to travel to all of the places in the world and take photos of the clowns but no. I guess in a way I did take them, off the internet that is.
DLCKWOOD:p

Carlos
01/27/2004, 02:48 PM
Great thread!!!!

Here is my challenge now. We got great pictures of the clowns available to us for trade. How about we now create information about each particular clown.

Can we get some volunteers to pick a clown and do some basic research on it. I can then take the pictures and create a nice HTML page with the information provided (giving you full credit)

If you can find information such as how easy they are to maintain, what they eat, what anemone they like, how easy they are to rear, water temperature, origin and so on. It would be nice if you enclose a reference list.

If you can post your clown of choice here so no three people do research on the same clown. I think a single clown would be awesome but if you want to do more, that would be even better.

Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. Post your clown selection here but send me your data via email.

Regards,

Carlos

MarinaP
01/27/2004, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Dlckwood
I wish I was able to travel to all of the places in the world and take photos of the clowns but no. I guess in a way I did take them, off the internet that is.
DLCKWOOD:p

I hope you got a OK from the original owners to use their pics. You do not want to get into copyright issue.

oama
01/27/2004, 05:39 PM
Great Job!

But I'm siding with John on the first pic. A. akalopsis white stripe usually does not extend all the way down to the upper lip. Although the teeth would be a better positive identifier. Akalopsis have peg-like or flat topped teeth. Sandaracinos have conical teeth.

BTW, just like other clowns, skunks have varients.
There is a pink orange skunk (A. sandaracinos) as well as an orange orange skunk (A. sandaracinos). There is also a Orange pink skunk (A. perideraion) as well as the pink pink skunk. Confused yet?

Luis A M
01/27/2004, 06:49 PM
The first pic is indeed a sandaracinos.Besides the orange colour the white bar keeps wide up to the nose,while it tapers to a narrow line in akallopisos.

vgibbens
01/27/2004, 09:35 PM
John, here you go. These pictures are a little out of focus and the one looked much better as my old avatar. This is my A. Sebae that I've had since April of 2003. She was the female of the pair I bought as a Clarkii pair.



http://members.cox.net/vngibbens/Fish/Sebae%201.jpg
http://members.cox.net/vngibbens/Fish/Sebae%202.jpg

Atticus
01/27/2004, 10:20 PM
Excellent Thread!!!

Dlckwood
01/27/2004, 10:32 PM
Well, since I have some A. leucokranos I can do a little more research on them and give you some info and pictures. You would have to give me a few days though. (school first)
DLCKWOOD:p

Soccer
01/28/2004, 03:36 PM
Sounds like a neat idea Carlos!, and again thanx Dlckwood for starting it up by posting those pics. I will volunteer to do research on the Amphiprion akindynos and the Amphiprion melanopus. Sice all my exams are done, I will have some time to do research!

Carlos
01/28/2004, 11:44 PM
Excellent,

thank you both for volunteering. Remember everbody, it does not have to be done right away. Whenever you have time, I can edit the page whenever I get new information.

Carlos

JKramer0706
01/29/2004, 08:23 PM
Boo Soccer, I wanted Akindynos! I'll go for A. Bicinctus. I've been quite successful in raising them and getting them to spawn a few times.

Trumpet12
01/30/2004, 06:11 PM
Nice pictures!:)


Can someone volunteer to write about a clownfish that they have not kept, if they research it and list their sources?

Carlos
01/30/2004, 10:23 PM
absolutely!

Trumpet12
01/31/2004, 06:45 AM
I will volunteer to do A. ocellaris.

Trumpet12
01/31/2004, 07:50 AM
Carlos,

I cannot figure out how to attach something to the Reef Central email form, and if I just paste it in all the formatting gets messed up. It would be great if you would explain how to do attach something to the RC form, or give me your email address, so that I can send it to you through my normal email program.

Thanks, Trumpet12

Carlos
02/01/2004, 07:57 PM
You can send documents and attachments to [email protected]

Carlos

Allancaza
02/27/2004, 08:49 PM
http://www.revela2.com/media/fotos2/9566/214947-6628_max.jpg

Trumpet12
02/28/2004, 03:01 PM
WELCOME TO REEF CENTRAL!!!

Allancaza
02/28/2004, 09:00 PM
http://www.revela2.com/media/fotos2/9566/216841-3561_max.jpg
http://www.revela2.com/media/fotos2/9566/216839-623_max.jpg
http://www.revela2.com/media/fotos2/9566/216840-4425_max.jpg

Trumpet12
02/29/2004, 09:29 AM
Allancaza,

Después de ver su perfil, yo pensé que usted quizás hable español, no inglés, asÃÂ* que puse mi poste por un sitio web libre de la traducción. Si esto no tiene sentido, el problema es probablemente el sitio que traduce, pero optimistamente será entendible.

Se parece a usted tiene un par muy agradable del desove clownfish marrón. Usted ya puede haber figurado esto fuera, pero yo lo repetiré aquÃÂ*, en caso de que usted no entenderá. Carlos busca a personas para escribir acerca de clases diferentes de clownfishes, asÃÂ* que él puede hacer una página web fuera de ello. Si usted quiso escribir acerca de clownfish marrón (o cualquier otro tipo de clownfish), pensarÃÂ*amos que eso era gran.

Trumpet12

Trumpet12
02/29/2004, 09:33 AM
I thought that everyone who does not speak Spanish would want to see my post above in English. The first paragraph just explained that I do not speak Spanish and that I had created the post by typing it in English and sending it through a free translation website, meaning that the quality might be bad.

This is what the second paragraph said.

It looks like you have a very nice pair of spawning maroon clownfish. You may have already figured this out, but I am going to repeat it here, in case you did not understand. Carlos is looking for people to write about different kinds of clownfishes, so that he can make a webpage out of it. If you wanted to write about maroon clownfish (or any other sort of clownfish), we would think that that was great.

Allancaza
02/29/2004, 11:48 AM
Ok,

Sorry!!!

Trumpet12
02/29/2004, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Allancaza
Sorry!!!

What did you do?:confused: I don't see any reason that you need to be sorry.

Trumpet12
02/29/2004, 11:59 AM
If what I said sounded critical to you, I apologize for that, because I did not mean it that way at all. I just wanted to compliment you on your great looking pair of fish and make sure that you weren't confused.

Also, have you ever raised any of your pair's eggs?

Josh K
03/07/2004, 04:29 PM
Very nice pics, but more like a wish list :)

Trumpet12
03/07/2004, 07:10 PM
Josh K,

WELCOME TO REEF CENTRAL!!!

Dlckwood
03/07/2004, 08:43 PM
It sure is a wish list. If I only had the tanks, space, and money for all those clowns.
DLCKWOOD:p

rojasredrum
03/18/2004, 04:56 PM
does anyone have a pic of a black percula? Is it the same as those onyx perculas in the pic above.

oama
03/18/2004, 05:20 PM
The term "black percula" is horribly mis-used. And there are now True Black Perculas. Only Onyx percula and SI percula. Which are both sometimes marketed as "black percula". More often the term is use for black A. ocellaris. But it is also used for dark varients of A. polymnus and even A. clarkii. I think someone even said here that they saw an A. sebae marked as a "black percula" at there LFS.

So, which of these six possibilities were you refering to?

rojasredrum
03/18/2004, 08:26 PM
they look like the onyx percula's that are on this post on the first page.They just have a little more orange and or still juveniles and was hoping that they would turn colors if they are the rite ones.

oama
03/18/2004, 08:38 PM
If the fish your are looking at are Onyx or SI Percula, the orange will always be there as adults. Look above a few pics for the Black Var. of A. ocellaris. These can become fully black to just a hint of orange around the snout, but the fins are black (unlike the percula varients). Note also, the pic of the black var. of A. clarkii.

sclare
04/02/2004, 05:44 PM
Nice pics and no red x's in sight.
Got my clowns spawning every 2 weeks now so i guess the next step is to try and raise the fry.
Any tips would be a help

Trumpet12
04/03/2004, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by sclare
Nice pics and no red x's in sight.
Got my clowns spawning every 2 weeks now so i guess the next step is to try and raise the fry.
Any tips would be a help

This thread (http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=240158) may help you.

scbauer
04/07/2004, 05:05 PM
I want to know what kind of anemone that is with the True Percula... I have a pair of True Percs and just installed a 250W MH in my system, so I can now safely get an anemone. I like the one in that picture. Is that a Rose BTA?

-Scott

Dlckwood
04/07/2004, 05:43 PM
It looks to me to be a Stichodactyla gigantea. One of the hardest anemones to keep.
DLCKWOOD:p

cfrazee
04/13/2004, 10:26 PM
I Love WhitE cAp anenome fish except for i never see them in stores wats up with that i know that they are a pretty penny but still

Rod Buehler
04/14/2004, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by oama
The term "black percula" is horribly mis-used. And there are now True Black Perculas. Only Onyx percula and SI percula. Which are both sometimes marketed as "black percula". More often the term is use for black A. ocellaris. But it is also used for dark varients of A. polymnus and even A. clarkii. I think someone even said here that they saw an A. sebae marked as a "black percula" at there LFS.

So, which of these six possibilities were you refering to?

Maybe you can answer.. Why are black ocellaris marketed as percula.. why are they not marketed as black ocellaris? is it to try to bring in a few more dollars?

JHardman
04/14/2004, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Rod Buehler
Maybe you can answer.. Why are black ocellaris marketed as percula.. why are they not marketed as black ocellaris? is it to try to bring in a few more dollars?

Well I can't speak for ORA, but I am pretty sure Doug would agree...

The big problem is that many of a breeder's customers (the LFS) do not know latin names, do not care to learn or educate their customers.

Here is one example... I went to small LFS here in Phoenix. I asked "I have ocellaris ready for sale, would you be interested?". The owner and most "knowledgeable" person in the store asked me "what is an ocellaris, never heard of them before, is that a fish?". After I explained to him what they were, he copped a big attitude and insisted that there was no such thing as an Ocellaris, that those are Percula and nothing, not even picking up a copy of Joyce Wilkerson book in his store and showing him would convince him otherwise.

Here is another example... Another LFS here... I go in to take a look around, they are known for having some good price on inverts. I see one tank with black A. polymnus labeled as "black percs", I walk a little further down the row of tanks only to find another tank with black A. ocellaris labeled as "black percs". I turn the corner and come back up with other side of tanks an find yet another tank labeled "black percs", this time it has domino damsels in it! When I questioned the owner about it, his response was that he sold the fish based on what the wholesaler called the fish, and frankly didn't care if they were labeled correctly or not because his customers didn't care.

Frankly I give a big thumbs up to breeders and wholesalers like ORA and Quality Marine that actually use both common names and latin species and stand behind their IDs.

oama
04/14/2004, 05:11 PM
Um.... What John said.:D

Rod Buehler
04/14/2004, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by oama
Um.... What John said.:D

K.. I Guess ;) but if the leaders that really know better dont make it right, how will the LFS that doesnt know any better ever get it right? It should start somewhwere.. If the leaders are mis labeling them everyone else will too. I look at ORA as leaders.. Come on Oama ;) change the world ;).

Hey, would you guys have a look at this thread and post your thoughts..
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=352358&goto=newpost

Dlckwood
04/14/2004, 06:17 PM
Well, IMHO "False percula" is just as good and at least almost every hobbiest would be able to pernounce and spell it. ORA also gives the scientific name right next to the fish.
DLCKWOOD:p

JHardman
04/14/2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Rod Buehler
K.. I Guess ;) but if the leaders that really know better dont make it right, how will the LFS that doesnt know any better ever get it right? It should start somewhwere.. If the leaders are mis labeling them everyone else will too. I look at ORA as leaders.. Come on Oama ;) change the world ;).

Hey, would you guys have a look at this thread and post your thoughts..
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=352358&goto=newpost

You missed my last sentence...

ORA does list their stock with both latin species names AND common names. It is up to the LFS to take the hint, but frankly it has to come from the hobbyist, by demanding that the livestock they buy be correctly identified and labeled with a latin species name and a common if they want to or need to.

Quality Marine is also listing most (80%+) of their livestock with latin species too. I am starting to see other wholesalers list some species with latin names too. Some likely never will, after all if you sell someone an A. sebae it had better be an A. sebae and not an A. clarkii, with common names there is always an argument. Actually had a wholesaler tell me "all sebae are really clarkii and I should know I have been doing this for 25 years, so don't tell me I am wrong!!!!!".

So I do think the supply chain is getting the idea, but the pressure has to come from the money source, the end customer. If a LFS started losing sales because customer refused to buy anything that wasn't listed with a latin species name, you would see a big change and fast.

Rod Buehler
04/14/2004, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by JHardman
You missed my last sentence...

ORA does list their stock with both latin species names AND common names. It is up to the LFS to take the hint,

I cought the last sentance just fine ;). I just dont think that a *common name * for A ocellaris shoud be percula.. that very confusing.. who gave these black ocellaris the common name of black percula? and if the common name of an ocellaris is percula, what is the*common name* for percula? I understand that is basically the LFs fault, but th eprope names have to start somewhere, and if they are being sold to the LFS as percs ( which they arent) what is the LFS supposed to do?

oama
04/14/2004, 06:55 PM
LOL Well, if I could change the world, That would be one of the first things I would change! It has always bugged me. About at the same level as marine hobbists using the term "Ich". There is no Marine Ich, so why does everyone use that name?????

Anywho...I just raise them. I know what I raise. It's not my job to sell them. But then again, how often does the phone ring and people are saying "Can you ship me XXX Nemos, tomorrow?" Too often.:confused:

Rod Buehler
04/14/2004, 06:59 PM
heh, I hear ya !

JHardman
04/14/2004, 07:04 PM
I hear you Rob and I think we are all on the same page or more less. ;)

No one really gave A. ocellaris the common name perc(ula). It is kind of the word spam. It used to just mean a canned ham product, now it also means unsolicited email. Who gave it that name, well maybe in today’s information age we might be able to track that person down, but I really doubt you will ever find the person that first called a A. ocellaris and perc(ula).

This is very close to another pet peeve of mine. The misidentification of clownfish species. I do not know how many times I have seen VERY VERY bad ID's. We would not put up with it in say a drug store "so is that aspirin really aspirin or antacid?".

Rod Buehler
04/14/2004, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by JHardman
I hear you Rob and I think we are all on the same page or more less. ;)


Agreed.. and it sound like we all have the same pet peeves :)

oama
04/14/2004, 08:06 PM
I find it is far better to have a pet peeve, than to have no peeves at all. :D

catastrofe
04/20/2004, 10:13 AM
Or no pets. . .:D

OrionN
04/20/2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by JHardman
.....latin species names AND common names. It is up to the LFS to take the hint, but frankly it has to come from the hobbyist, by demanding that the livestock they buy be correctly identified and labeled with a latin species name and a common if they want to or need to.
.......
Just a minor point. These names are Scientific names, not Latin names.
Common names are OK with me as long as it is clear. Clarity is most important. One can call a Yellow tang by it's common name because there is no possibility mistake. However, blue damsel should not be use because it refer to several species of damsels.

MCQUAGLES
05/10/2004, 12:22 PM
in the 3rd post, what is the difference between the SI percs and the ones that you have lables as "Onyx" percs. I think that the ones from the SI are more of an onyx than the ones labeld as onyx.

k_kagy
05/14/2004, 02:46 AM
nice pics

k_kagy
05/14/2004, 02:46 AM
nice pics

Dlckwood
05/14/2004, 03:00 AM
Thanks,

MCQUAGLES, they would both be considered onyx. SI just stands for solomon islands (that is where they are collected). I should have left SI out or added PNG (Papa new Gunie)(sp?).
DLCKWOOD:p

colnel270116
06/02/2004, 10:25 AM
very nice photos I have some perculas and they have 1 bta and they just spawned.

Dlckwood
06/02/2004, 01:06 PM
Congrats! Can you post some pictures?
DLCKWOOD

colnel270116
06/02/2004, 01:27 PM
you want me to post some pics??

colnel270116
06/02/2004, 02:17 PM
If you want info on breeding clowns reed Marine Reef Aquarium Handbook

colnel270116
06/02/2004, 02:18 PM
That is how I made the tank inviorment perfect for breeding now I am an uncle! or what ever you wanna call it

colnel270116
06/02/2004, 02:18 PM
Trust me it is a very interesting book read it!!!

Dlckwood
06/02/2004, 05:33 PM
I have the wilkerson book and I just bought the one by Hoff. Ueah post some pics. I would love to see them.
DLCKWOOD

colnel270116
06/02/2004, 07:30 PM
ok Ill take some and post them ok

fishy_fishfish
06/04/2004, 09:59 PM
I love the onyx percula clowns! I've never seen those before (or heard of them for that matter). Does anyone know where I could get some info on them?

obarrera
06/15/2004, 12:28 AM
My favorites are the variants and the ocellaris.I didn't know there were so many clowns.http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/ups/the_turtle/supasmsm0.gif

Dlckwood
06/15/2004, 01:00 AM
I'm glad to hear you liked the list I put together for everyone.

EVERYONE: I would like to change all of the pictures listed above to ones of your own fish. This would be so that we dont get into any copywrite problems. If you have a picture of one of the fish listed above do one of two things.
1. Post it to this site and I will use it
2. E-mail it to me
I will give the person who I use their picture credit. Thanks
DLCKWOOD

brahm
06/19/2004, 02:28 AM
We need one of these for anenomes!

thefishman083
06/28/2004, 11:28 PM
Wow that was fantastic

Gary Majchrzak
07/28/2004, 04:00 AM
Feel free to resize, crop and use any of these pictures, Dickwood.
Amphiprion polymnus{black}

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/521/7144137_3702.JPG
A. ocellaris
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/512/7144132_3228_1_.jpg
A. polymnus {brown}
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/521/7144saddleback.JPG

Dlckwood
07/28/2004, 01:33 PM
Thanks, I wish everyone was as forth coming as you but thats just not the case. You are only the second or third person that has given me any pics. At this rate the pages wont get anywhere.
DLCKWOOD:p

OrionN
07/28/2004, 01:54 PM
You can use any of these pictures

http://www.reefland.com/gallery/data/507/1316H_magnifica_022704.jpg

http://www.maast.org/albums/Minh-Nguyen/H_magnifica_013104.jpg

http://www.maast.org/albums/Minh-Nguyen/Ocellaris_s_eye.jpg

http://www.maast.org/albums/Minh-Nguyen/Percula_s_eye.jpg

Dlckwood
07/28/2004, 03:05 PM
Thanks, I hope they keep coming so I can get something up.
DLCKWOOD:p

Vert20
07/30/2004, 12:42 PM
A. Ocellaris (juveniles, Captive bred)
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/122403/proptank%20017.jpg
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/102503/102503%20012.jpg

A. Melanopus (Coral Sea Cinimon, Captive Bred, ORA)
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/102503/102503%20001.jpg
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/102503/102503%20009.jpg

Premnas biaculeatus (Gold Stipe Maroon, WC, Juvenile)
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/tanks/155BF/Reef06142003%20041.jpg
Adult Male with Clutch
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/gsm_fry/Batch6%20003.jpg

Hope this helps, I will get more if needed. I also have a Clarkii pair, but no nice pics yet. Also Pics of 35 day old juveniles if wanted.

GrannyReefer
08/08/2004, 10:08 PM
I noticed the dates on these folks that could only see red x's has been quite a while but I was looking at them just now and they came through with flying colors. Very nice. I haven't finished reading the thread yet though. Maybe someone did something to make it work better by now.;) Oops, maybe I spoke to soon, I was scrolling down just now to the bottom of this page and found more pictures of clownfish with anenomes and there was some of them that I couldn't see, they only had red x's.

Dlckwood
08/08/2004, 10:17 PM
The original problem was solved by paying for more bandwidth. Anything that is showing up with x's now is because someone else is out of bandwidth or they have removed their pictures.
David

horkn
08/09/2004, 01:09 AM
awesome, now i am trying to figure out whether the pink or the orange skunk are from fiji?i think its the orange.. and the other clown from fiji area...i think its the orange finned clown...

kev apsley
08/10/2004, 08:50 PM
Captive Bred Yellow Striped Maroon with Rose BTA

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/62039bubbleclown.JPG

longreef
08/12/2004, 02:52 PM
How can tell the different between Perc. from Salomon Island and Onyx Perc.?

Rod Buehler
08/13/2004, 05:48 AM
Onyx will have no black between any of the bars when they are adults, and IME the dorsal will be black. As juvies the dorsal will be orange, and there will be some orange between the middle and 3rd bar if they are still juvies. Solomon will have orange between the second and 3rd bar even as adults.

brahm
08/13/2004, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Rod Buehler
Onyx will have no black between any of the bars when they are adults, and IME the dorsal will be black. As juvies the dorsal will be orange, and there will be some orange between the middle and 3rd bar if they are still juvies. Solomon will have orange between the second and 3rd bar even as adults.


Is onyx an actualy type of clownfish.. I was under the impression it's just a name given by a dealer to indentify true percs with "more black" then usally.

Trumpet12
08/14/2004, 08:23 AM
My digital camera died, so I can't post any pictures. :(

rturner241
08/23/2004, 12:01 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by angiras
[B]great thread dlckwood.

I agree
Rob;)

JHardman
08/23/2004, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by brahm
Is onyx an actualy type of clownfish.. I was under the impression it's just a name given by a dealer to indentify true percs with "more black" then usally.

Onyx is a variant of A. percula.

The term "onyx" was coined by CQuest many years ago to identify a variant of A. percula they were breeding. At the time they claimed that they had selectively bred A. percula from the Solomon Islands to achive the complete back markings between the head and tail bars.

Since then we know that was not the turth and that this variant is naturally occuring in both fish from the Solomon Islands and from PNG.

rturner241
08/23/2004, 02:40 PM
*Hands UP* ''I'm New''
Could anyone tell me the name of the anemone in the top picture dated 31.1.2004 and it's difficulty to keep.
Thankyou

vgibbens
08/23/2004, 03:08 PM
H. Magnifica, it's one of the hardest to keep.

rturner241
08/23/2004, 03:13 PM
iF I WERE TO DEDIDICATE MY AQUARIUM TO KEEPING IT AND A PAIR OF CLARKS CLOWNS. wOULD IT BE FEASABLE AND FAIR ON THE ANEMONE. !75l AQUARIUM.???

Rod Buehler
08/24/2004, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by JHardman
Onyx is a variant of A. percula.

The term "onyx" was coined by CQuest many years ago to identify a variant of A. percula they were breeding. At the time they claimed that they had selectively bred A. percula from the Solomon Islands to achive the complete back markings between the head and tail bars.

Since then we know that was not the turth and that this variant is naturally occuring in both fish from the Solomon Islands and from PNG.

The "Onyx" the Cquest coined have black dorsals and no orange between either of the bars.. The clown coming from SI and PNG have orange dorsals, and most have orange between the center and tail bar. IMO, they are not Onyx.

I still beleive that they (Cquest) have selectively bred a recessive gene that still breeds true, and the others coming in do not have that gene. My pair produces fri with black dorsals and no orange between the bars. The black is also much more vibrant. Just like the Cquest clowns.

Rod Buehler
08/24/2004, 06:28 AM
At the top of page 5 in this thread, there is a pic of Minh beautiful clowns. Does anyone consider them to be onyx?

npaden
08/24/2004, 08:30 AM
O´nyx

Noun 1. onyx - a chalcedony with alternating black and white bands; used in making cameos

Based on the actual definition it would be only black and white. Any orange on the fish wouldn't = Onyx.

It is like saying a black lab with a white spot on it's chest is a Domino Lab. Then people would be arguing over where the spot was and how big it had to be to qualify it as a domino lab. What if it had 2 white spots instead of 1? Would it be a double domino lab?

Onyx = a made up term for A. percula clownfish that have alot of black coloration. How much black and where the black is can evidently make a $50 or more difference in the asking price of the offspring so it is important to people selling the true "onyx" to be able to say that only their fish are onyx. In fact none of the clowns would qualify as Onyx based on the true definition of the word so it will always be an arguement over how much orange they can have and still be Onyx.

FWIW, Nathan

Dlckwood
08/24/2004, 11:03 AM
It is a very pretty percula but not onyx. The middle and last band are not connected with black.
DLCKWOOD

Rod Buehler
08/24/2004, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by npaden
O´nyx

Noun 1. onyx - a chalcedony with alternating black and white bands; used in making cameos

Based on the actual definition it would be only black and white. Any orange on the fish wouldn't = Onyx.

Yes,, black and white.. no orange on the body at all. There are a few that will fit that discription ;)



It is like saying a black lab with a white spot on it's chest is a Domino Lab. Then people would be arguing over where the spot was and how big it had to be to qualify it as a domino lab. What if it had 2 white spots instead of 1? Would it be a double domino lab?.

Im not that big into dogs, but I believe that judges in a show would disqualify them from being a true black lab ;)



Onyx = a made up term for A. percula clownfish that have alot of black coloration. How much black and where the black is can evidently make a $50 or more difference in the asking price of the offspring so it is important to people selling the true "onyx" to be able to say that only their fish are onyx. In fact none of the clowns would qualify as Onyx based on the true definition of the word so it will always be an arguement over how much orange they can have and still be Onyx.

FWIW, Nathan

Yes, and for some vendors to charge $70 more for wild caught.
and, yes, according to your definition that you posted above, they should have no orange bertween the bars. I agree that the arguement will always be there. Im on the side of saying that there shouuld be no orange between the bars

npaden
08/24/2004, 11:57 AM
I was actually saying that there shouldn't be any orange anywhere on the fish at all. Just black and white.

OrionN
08/24/2004, 03:23 PM
Just imagine that A. percula are all mostly black and white with a little orange, we all will be looking for the ones that are all orange and white with as little black as possible.

A beautiful fish is a beautiful fish when we look at him or her no mater what color.

Rod Buehler
08/24/2004, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Minh Nguyen
Just imagine that A. percula are all mostly black and white with a little orange, we all will be looking for the ones that are all orange and white with as little black as possible.

A beautiful fish is a beautiful fish when we look at him or her no mater what color.

couldnt agree more.
Personally I like your pair of percs better than most any I have seen.

Originally posted by npaden
I was actually saying that there shouldn't be any orange anywhere on the fish at all. Just black and white

I know what you were saying, but having no orange between the bars at all (on the body) is closer to the term onyx than the percs that DO have orange between the the bars.

Npaden, where do you draw the line on the term onyx clowns? or are they all just percs? Are minh's Onyx? what about Skels female? or his male? All the same?
I will agree that they are all A percula, and some have more black than others.. Some fall under the catagory that Bill addison originally quoined onyx. Some do not.

brahm
08/24/2004, 06:21 PM
It's all so subjective..They are all percs to me.

npaden
08/24/2004, 07:34 PM
That's where I'm at. They are all percs to me. There isn't enough of a consistency from one set to the other to even say they are a true color variant IMO.

Rod Buehler
08/25/2004, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by npaden
That's where I'm at. They are all percs to me. There isn't enough of a consistency from one set to the other to even say they are a true color variant IMO.

The gene is recessive (IMO). My fri look like their parents ( no orange between the bars, or on the dorsal). If it wasnt a recessive gene, wouldn't I get varying degrees of black? Maybe even some with no black?

So your saying that there is no difference between Skels female and his male?

When you have seen enough of them ( in person) that look like Skels, mine or a quite a few others, and none of them have orange between the bars or orange dorsals then maybe you would see the consistency.
I guess we can agree to disagree ;)

Dlckwood
08/26/2004, 11:20 PM
For anyone new the pictures will be X's more often because I had to downgrade my account while I adjust my budget to just moving out. (No job at the moment and a car/rent payment)
DLCKWOOD

Vert20
08/27/2004, 03:29 AM
I will host them for you. Having the pics are imortant

Dlckwood
08/27/2004, 02:25 PM
The bad news is reef central would have to change the links. I will just upgrade again and if it becomes trouble I will let you know.
DLCKWOOD

rturner241
08/29/2004, 01:47 PM
could anyone tell me wether a H.magnifica would be comfortable in a 175l aquarium 47.5,16.5,16.5 with 400w MH 6500K, 80W actinic t8, Fluval 304, 4+ internal reef tank with 20kg live rock and a pair of clowns, GSM or True clowns(undecided), I'm new and am willing to devote alot of time/money to keeping it if the anemone would be comfortable once inside. I've heard they're difficult and would like any info if possible?
Thanks ALOT Rob
Advice?,Advice?,Advice?

Bryan Thompson
08/31/2004, 01:12 PM
Here are a few for you. Not the best photos but the new owner of these awesome fish may have some better shots for you.

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/unknown2.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/unknown1.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/PICT0006.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/PICT0005.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/PICT0009.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/pict0007.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/NC.jpg

Feel free to use any you wish.

Bryan

Clownen
09/02/2004, 02:56 PM
Is that mommy and baby in those shots?
;)

Clown-lover
09/05/2004, 07:53 AM
Wonerfull fish :)

traveller7
09/05/2004, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Clownen
Is that mommy and baby in those shots?
;) Can't tell, but that little guy is tiny, very tiny ;>)

Clown-lover
09/12/2004, 05:45 AM
Heres a pic of my 2 chaps. There about 8 years old, the female is about 2.5' long and the male is about 1.5'
They feed out of my hand and everytime I stand up they dart to the front of the tank :) There getting a new tank soon with LR and hopefully a coral host :)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fraggor1/ocuk/fish.jpg

Dlckwood
09/23/2004, 08:02 PM
Is this clown an Amphiprion nigripes?

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/pict0007.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/NC.jpg
DLCKWOOD

P.S. I have update a good portion of the photos

npaden
09/23/2004, 08:03 PM
Yes, those are nigripes.

Vert20
09/29/2004, 06:48 AM
Here are some new ones of the A. Polymnus (Black Saddlebacks) I have...
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/092704/Dsc03892.jpg
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/092704/Dsc03891.jpg
http://www.reefobsession.com/images/092704/Dsc03856.jpg

There are a few more on the website if you want to use them.

Bryan Thompson
09/29/2004, 08:08 AM
A few more updates.

Nigripes. Some better shots.
http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/Nigripe2.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/Nigripe.jpg

Maroon from Bali hosting a Caribbean mushroom

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/maroon2.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/Maroon.jpg

Orange Skunk Clowns

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/skunk2.jpg

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/skunk.jpg

Feel free to use any photos you want.

Bryan

ACIDRAIN
11/03/2004, 07:45 PM
My Onyx Percula pair;

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4cf22b3127cceaa4d650d14440000001610

My Gold Striped Marroon Clown pair;

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d704b3127cceb713701fa0190000001610

And this is them when it was splitting;

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4cf22b3127cceaa4d61c695bd0000001610

MKz reef
11/12/2004, 10:17 AM
never knew there were there many!!!

sweettypize
11/15/2004, 01:24 PM
great pics

guybirch
11/20/2004, 03:19 PM
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/Picture%20224.jpg

Snowflake Clownfish, oceanaquatics in the UK

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/clownodd.jpg

Squareflake Clownfish

Dlckwood
11/20/2004, 03:52 PM
guybirch, do you know if those clowns are wild caught or Tank bred? It looks like a hybred between A. Percula and A. Ocellaris.
David

guybirch
11/20/2004, 04:01 PM
i dont know unfortunately...only info i have is that TMC had 10 pairs they were selling. couldnt give u a scientific name or tell u if they are cross bred unfortunately

Dlckwood
11/20/2004, 04:26 PM
How much were they going for?
David

guybirch
11/21/2004, 09:26 AM
snowflakes are £130 per pair, so about $210 ish

guybirch
11/21/2004, 12:22 PM
word is they are captive bred by TMC in this country :)

catastrofe
11/21/2004, 03:41 PM
TMC = ? (The Marine Center?)

I love that squareflake!

:D

leofish
11/21/2004, 10:08 PM
http://www.cvreefers.org/modules/gallery/albums/Smaug/HPIM0295.sized.jpg

Funny fish if he gets hungery he splashs(my wife only) :)

guybirch
11/21/2004, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by catastrofe
TMC = ? (The Marine Center?)

I love that squareflake!

:D

http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/

they are major world players in breeding of species especially clownfish.

sweettypize
11/22/2004, 09:20 AM
awesome clowns!!! i have a marron but hes only about 6 months still growing.

ReefDweller13
11/23/2004, 10:51 PM
I made a huge mistake in putting a bogregery (Atlantic Damsel fish)in my tank well its bout time i take him out because he is getting big quick.... I have a 55 gal. with 3 saddleback clowns and saddle back anemone. They seem to be chasing him still but he is getting bigger than them.. Anyone think he will kill my clowns? Should i really try to get him out?

Atticus
11/23/2004, 10:54 PM
You will have more of a chance of the third clown being killed by the pair that will soon form.

ReefDweller13
11/23/2004, 10:56 PM
1000 gal. isnt nuthin when you work at a Reef Aquariums store with over 3500gal. of all Reef and saltwater fish tanks.:rollface:

ReefDweller13
11/23/2004, 10:58 PM
Yea i know that will happen. one has never really grown at all and is still 1/2 inch long.

JCorbett
12/10/2004, 07:04 PM
I stumbled on this thread, so I'll post a clown while I practice imaging.http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/521/16450clown_macro_copy.jpg

Angelic
12/13/2004, 09:32 AM
Wow pretty and that Anemone is GORGEOUS!

JCorbett
12/13/2004, 12:05 PM
Thanks angelic, it took nearly 2 yrs for the clowns to take interest in that anenome

Angelic
12/13/2004, 01:53 PM
Whoa ... I thought it was a natural instinct for clowns to like anemones. But then again I am new to this so I haven't done my homework =/

Atticus
12/13/2004, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Angelic
Whoa ... I thought it was a natural instinct for clowns to like anemones. But then again I am new to this so I haven't done my homework =/

Natural instinct... Yes
Is that the natural host of an ocellaris clown... Nope
Will ocellaris clowns usually host anything they can find... You bet
The thing is is may have been happy hosting something else or just didn't feel the need until it matured.

Angelic
12/13/2004, 04:30 PM
That makes sense. Thank you for that information! :)

aberg12012
12/22/2004, 02:25 AM
Since there is all but one other picture of this species in this forum... Are they really that uncommon? Ive had this girl for about a year now... obviously doing quite well in her 10" RBTA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/aberg12012/Reef%20Aquarium%20Photos/_DSC0037.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/aberg12012/Reef%20Aquarium%20Photos/DSC_00262.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/aberg12012/Reef%20Aquarium%20Photos/DSC_0010.jpg

Sorta been trying to post these pics all over, trying to find out if anyone really has any direct experience with them. I'm wondering if they have been sucesfully bred in captivaty?

Atticus
12/22/2004, 11:11 AM
ORA and a few breeders on here breed them on a regular basis.

aberg12012
12/22/2004, 02:04 PM
Thanks... good to know. :D

Betti Weiss
12/23/2004, 02:21 PM
Can you tell me how to tell an ocellaris from a percula? (false from true?)

oama
12/23/2004, 08:43 PM
The best way is to look at the eyes. True Percs have solid, bright orange circle around the black pupal. In Ocellaris the ring is "dusky" or a mottled orange.

jcreef
12/30/2004, 12:56 PM
wood, thanks for the pics that is exactly what I have been looking for. Based on the pics in your list a clown that I was told was a tomatoe clown is a cinnamon clown. Are you sure you are correct? I was also told that there are two species of tomatoe clown fish and you only have one listed. Do you know of this other species? I hope you do because I am trying to find out what it is. You see, I am trying to breed clowns myself. I already had an adult tomatoe clown (but from looking at your pics she is not) and I just purchased a juvenile. The juvenile has two white stripes but otherwise looks just like the one you have in your pic. I purchased my clowns from two seperate dealers and each claim that they sold me a tomatoe clown. So I need some help to make sure I have the right fish so that I may get a spawn someday. If you can help I would appreciate it. Thanks

JMonaco
01/12/2005, 09:14 PM
First time trying to post pictures! Will see if it works..



http://http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=79821 http://http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=79820&papass=&sort=1&size=medium&thecat= http://http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=79818&papass=&sort=1&size=medium&thecat=

Atticus
01/13/2005, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by jcreef
wood, thanks for the pics that is exactly what I have been looking for. Based on the pics in your list a clown that I was told was a tomatoe clown is a cinnamon clown. Are you sure you are correct? I was also told that there are two species of tomatoe clown fish and you only have one listed. Do you know of this other species? I hope you do because I am trying to find out what it is. You see, I am trying to breed clowns myself. I already had an adult tomatoe clown (but from looking at your pics she is not) and I just purchased a juvenile. The juvenile has two white stripes but otherwise looks just like the one you have in your pic. I purchased my clowns from two seperate dealers and each claim that they sold me a tomatoe clown. So I need some help to make sure I have the right fish so that I may get a spawn someday. If you can help I would appreciate it. Thanks

You are currently experiancing the biggest problem in using common names... :D As far as the two banded one goes it is most likely a juv. and it will lose the second stripe as it matures leaving only the head bar. If you are not looking to breed a true bloodline, clowns in the tomatoe complex with cross breed otherwise your best bet is to wait until you find a mate locally so you can id it instead of trusting the description of an online fish. Waiting will also give you time to fatten up the female and get her ready for a mate.

mrblue
01/18/2005, 05:55 AM
Great pics, once I get my digital camera going I will add a few, hopefully a couple of Mcc pics too. I don't know if I understand this onyx clown thing entirely, but if onyx percs are entirely black, how can you tell the difference between onyx percs and black ocellaris. The reason I ask is that I recently purchased a pair of what were supposed to be N.T percs, the strange thing was the male was entirely orange and the female was completely black except for her face. They were full grown and appeared sexually mature. The LFS was adamant they were percs, some kind of special black percs, I didn't really believe it but I thought either way they were a nice and healthy pair so I purchased them. It has been less then two months and now the male is changing colour to black and the female's face is now going black. I have never counted there dorsal fin spines and am not entirely sure how many spines each species is supposed to have (conflicting accounts). When they started changing colour I just assumed they were black o clowns but after reading this thread I'm a bit confused. Here is a pic,

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=80481&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

The main reason I ask is that the LFS also said that ocellaris and perc clowns have a different 'wriggle' in their swim, he pointed it out with another ocellaris pair and there seemed to be something in it.

marinebetta
01/18/2005, 06:28 AM
Mr Blue,

Looks like regular black ocellaris to me...and where they originated from would point to it as well. The black occis start out regular colored and get black as they grow in size, if you don't already know that. (BTW, I'll send you a PM re black occis)

Blackest "onyx" perc I have seen is the male that I have. He is a PNG black perc and has almost all his fins black. "Regular" black percs have black between the white stripes; and onyx are supposed to just be fully black (between the white) as opposed to partially black

Did I just confuse you more?:p

Here is a pic of my black, black perc...

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/32382Black_percs_pair.jpg

mrblue
01/18/2005, 07:37 AM
The black ocellaris came from the Northern Territory in Aus. Well, I am still a little confused, so onyx percs are entirely black and white, similar to black ocellaris or are they all black except for their faces. Where exactly are they supposed to come from? I did know black ocellaris got their color over time but I thought it was supposed happen in like the first year (don't quote me, couldn't find source), my pair are much older then that.

yhellomhan
01/18/2005, 08:18 AM
damn good!

mrblue
01/18/2005, 08:29 AM
Yeh, they are a lovely pair.

mrblue
01/18/2005, 08:30 AM
Marinebetta's pair that is

marinebetta
01/18/2005, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by mrblue
The black ocellaris came from the Northern Territory in Aus. Well, I am still a little confused, so onyx percs are entirely black and white, similar to black ocellaris or are they all black except for their faces. Where exactly are they supposed to come from? I did know black ocellaris got their color over time but I thought it was supposed happen in like the first year (don't quote me, couldn't find source), my pair are much older then that.

Onyx percs are supposed to be all black between the white bars, plus having a black dorsal. The other fins and face are orange. There are no black percs like the black ocellaris. The closest is my male and he's probably one in a few thousand. Onyx is kind of like a trade name of a type/variant of black perc. Don't know their origin but I believe the name was coined by ORA?

True, it is strange that your male ocellaris got black late in life....generally they get black within a yr. One thing though, is that maybe your pair is actually younger than you think - wild growth rates are often much faster than in a captive environment....

Atticus
01/18/2005, 11:45 AM
Most one here say that onyx fits any percula with a solid black band going from white head stripe to white tail stripe. They do not require black fins, but some say that to be a true onyx the clown must be black inbetween the head and tail bars including the fins.

Atticus
01/18/2005, 11:48 AM
Onyx was coined by C-Quest. As far as ocellaris darkening it is a normal occurance in my experiance. I have a female that has been adding black to here bars and along her back for years. This also occured with a few other O pairs I have had and sold or lost... I believe nutrition has a little to do with it as does age.

mrblue
01/18/2005, 04:28 PM
Cool, thanks for the info, I understand now. It's strange what you say about nutrition, Atticus, because a lot of my mature pairs have gone through rapid, growth/color change in a reasonably short time (check my GBM in my gallery), maybe it's the funky 'gumbo' I feed my fish, or the 11 other options they have to pick from.

Rod Buehler
01/18/2005, 05:04 PM
I beleive lighting and nutrition are 2 of the biggest factors. Most of mine are black before they reach the 1 year mark. A male with a darker gene may also play a role . The clown in my avitar is a juvie that is about 10 monts old.

mrblue
01/18/2005, 05:14 PM
Cool, thanks for the input.

Dlckwood
01/18/2005, 08:26 PM
I like the new pic Rod!
David

Rod Buehler
01/19/2005, 06:02 AM
Thanks David, but I cant take credit. The juvie is from my pair, but I did not take the pic. Casbarian took the picture and cut it out for me. My camera skills are not very good, while his are.

less
01/27/2005, 10:56 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/lesrat/tank/MVC-164F.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/lesrat/tank/MVC-164F.jpg

Key Of David
02/01/2005, 06:44 PM
why is my ocellaris fish called a "false clown"? I have never understood that...

oama
02/01/2005, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Key Of David
why is my ocellaris fish called a "false clown"? I have never understood that...

The "trade" name for them is The False Percula Clownfish. An attempt to seperate them from A. percula (aka the Percula Clownfish) as they are a different species (A. ocellaris).

Dlckwood
02/02/2005, 01:35 AM
A question for the more experienced clownfish breeder (Oama). This question is also in its own thread, anything answered here I will copy over.

My Allardi pair is said to be a juvenile pair. (pic bellow)
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/clownsnew006.jpg
Will their markings change before they are able to spawn?
David

zooqi
02/06/2005, 09:24 PM
SDC had them in their list two weeks ago. Those are babies and I would say they are 3-5 months old. They have way to go to start spawning. I have 4 pairs of them and they are one of the nices after two banded once.

DougSupreme
02/18/2005, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by guybirch
http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/Picture%20224.jpg

Snowflake Clownfish, oceanaquatics in the UK

http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploads/clownodd.jpg

Squareflake Clownfish

Is the Squareflake legit, or is it photoshopped? I think it is really unique, but I can find no mention of it online anywhere.

oama
02/18/2005, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by DougSupreme
Is the Squareflake legit, or is it photoshopped? I think it is really unique, but I can find no mention of it online anywhere.

It is being termed a Picasso Percula and it is legit.

DougSupreme
02/18/2005, 05:23 PM
ok, still no hits on google. do you have a link as to where I could purchase one (or two)

Bryan Thompson
02/19/2005, 08:06 PM
Black and Yellow Saddle Clown

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/PICT0224.jpg

Bryan

3.99AfterTaxes
02/24/2005, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Bryan Thompson
Black and Yellow Saddle Clown

http://www.blowfishaquatics.com/PICT0224.jpg

Bryan


Does anyone have any idea what the anemone in this picture is? I can get them in but I have no clue about their husbandry needs.

Thanks,

Albert

dragon79
03/09/2005, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Dlckwood

Heres a black variant of A. ocellaris
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/black_ocellaris_pair_small.jpg [/B]

Do these pair qualify as Ocellaris Var or Perculas? They are lighter than your variants, but mine are younger....am I to expect on upon getting older, they'll lose the orange on their face and go all black as in your picture above? This was the only picture I saw that came close to the ones I have. They were labeled when I bought them as "black true perculas" Any light you can shine on this would help. Thanks.

here's my pair:

http://xs19.xs.to/pics/05102/true_black_percs.JPG

Dlckwood
03/09/2005, 12:14 PM
Those whould be a juvi pair of ocellaris.
David

dragon79
03/09/2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Dlckwood
Those whould be a juvi pair of ocellaris.
David

of the black variant right? So in fact they will turn darker(black *as in pic*) when they mature?

Dlckwood
03/09/2005, 12:48 PM
Yep, black ones. They should darken up but there is no garrantee they will be completely jet black.
David

PCIALF
03/12/2005, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by liv4speed1
Looks great, looking at all the pictures going down I could hear myself saying, "I want that, that, that, a pair of that, that, and that".

Nice post!

I was thinking exactly the same thing:)

criccio
03/15/2005, 06:37 PM
Looks like your hardwork has been hijacked David...http://www.aquatalk-auctions.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=2979

Atticus
03/15/2005, 06:42 PM
Ohhhhh, that guy has a heap of trouble headed his direction....

Dlckwood
03/15/2005, 07:01 PM
I just popped in and said hello.
David

Thanks for the link.

davidryder
04/10/2005, 10:15 PM
this is clarky sleeping inside of his burrow. underneath him is a long tentacle condy sleeping also.


<img src="http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/90394100_0249.JPG">

Pleco420
04/18/2005, 07:06 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/pleco420/Anenome3_3.jpg

David M
05/15/2005, 12:04 PM
There is a single clown at lfs about 1-1/4". It is bright yellow/ citron with a single wide stripe, most similar to a tomato except for the color. It really doesn't look like a skunk of any sort, really looks like a yellow tomato. ???? Don't see it in the pics above or in Joyce's book. Should I buy it and hope to find another?

Atticus
05/15/2005, 12:55 PM
I would

LUIZ LÜBBE
05/17/2005, 09:55 AM
HI, FRIENDS! ANYBODY HERE COULD HELP ME TO BUY A COUPLE OF ONYX PERCULA? I HOPE TO DO A CREATION OF THIS KIND OF FISH. WHERE TO BUY. GET ME IN CONTACT WITH THE HIGHT PERSONS. THANKS FOR THE ATTENTION
CONGRATS
LÜBBE

Atticus
05/17/2005, 11:31 AM
www.rods-reef.com

Atticus
05/17/2005, 11:31 AM
Tell him Atticus sent you. I have to start getting credit for those links... :D

TSX
05/29/2005, 04:52 PM
Can an orange skunk and pink skunk breed? I havent seen one like this beforehttp://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/521/68053clownface.jpg

David M
05/31/2005, 08:59 AM
That is one beautiful fish :rollface:

Dwarfpufferfish
06/25/2005, 02:28 PM
If anybody knows where I can pick up a pair of the Picasso Perculas please PM me. I would be verry interested in getting my hands on them!!!

guybirch
07/04/2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by DougSupreme
ok, still no hits on google. do you have a link as to where I could purchase one (or two)

I couldnt tell you in North America, but in the UK TMC would be the most likely source of tank-bred and rare clownfish!

dlemons1
08/07/2005, 08:00 PM
bump

Family Reefer
08/12/2005, 01:28 PM
Here is a pic of my Maroon Clown in a Bubble Tip

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b86/Loanshark2179/JUNE2005003.jpg

af_hall14
09/02/2005, 04:44 PM
Here are my clowns....

My female true perc and her pal, false perc....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/af_hall14/DSC01514.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/af_hall14/DSC01510.jpg
Another shot of the true perc....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/af_hall14/DSC01513.jpg
A shot of the ocellaris...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/af_hall14/DSC01511.jpg
And last but not least the male true perc.... the 2nd and 3rd bars are broken on both sides of his body!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/af_hall14/DSC01507.jpg

Can anyone tell me how you can identify their age?

jiff
09/25/2005, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by guybirch
I couldnt tell you in North America, but in the UK TMC would be the most likely source of tank-bred and rare clownfish!

Do you have a link for TMC

Thanks;)

David M
09/26/2005, 05:56 AM
Here are some baby A. nigripes , aka Maldives or blackfoot clowns.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/19883blackfoots_resized.JPG

Dlckwood
09/26/2005, 07:35 AM
Very cool David! How many of those do you have left?
David

David M
09/26/2005, 06:14 PM
I thought there was just 12 but now it looks more like 15/16.

ChrisMan123
10/09/2005, 02:09 PM
I'm thinking of getting a clownfish pair (prob ocellaris) does anyone know the easiest kind to keep? and which anenomes re compatible with it and how easy they are to keep as well? any information would be appreciated... any breeding information would be of help too... conditions for breeding... becoming a pair.. do you need an anenome? etc... thanks

Dlckwood
10/09/2005, 02:18 PM
My opinion for easiest clownfish are A. Ocellaris and A. Percula. As far as anemones go BTA's are generally the easiest but by no means easy. For most of your concerns you should first read through this http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=282136 and then if you have more questions you will get more looks if you start up a new thread.
David

ChrisMan123
10/09/2005, 02:23 PM
thanks, I started my own thread as well... I havent gotten any feedback yet though

Arcan3
10/17/2005, 12:59 AM
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/black_ocellaris_pair_small.jpg
..drool...

Snap-on
11/18/2005, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Dwarfpufferfish
If anybody knows where I can pick up a pair of the Picasso Perculas please PM me. I would be verry interested in getting my hands on them!!! I would appreciate it as well. Thanks.;)

Jim_S
01/01/2006, 03:27 PM
Here's some shots of my Clown and Anemone. They have been in my reef for about 2 years. The Anemone has split 2 times and keeps growing faster and faster.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/75364anemone_edit.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/75364clown_nenny_macro1_edit.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/75364clown_nenny_macro2_edit.jpg

Jim

jnowell
01/08/2006, 09:39 PM
I don't want to start a fight or anything, but I too fell in love with the picasso percula. After searching high and low (including TCM's site) and turning up nothing, I went back and had another look at the photos.

First off, let me tell you that I used to teach Adobe Photoshop professionally. I led the trade show demonstrations for release 5.0 in the Adobe booth at trade shows around the country, taught for the Internet Institute, as well as subbing for the Art Institute of Dallas. Needless to say, I know my photo-editing.

In using some techniques that I taught to law enforcement agencies to spot "doctored" photos, I find ample evidence of this in both the snowflake image, and the square snowflake. I'm not saying they definitively do not exist, but I definitely question the validity of those photos. You don't need a fancy degree to see it either, look at the white stripe under the eye of the squareflake, there are two of them, different shades and all. One was layed on top of the original stripe.

Pretty good photo editing, but edited in my opinion. Just didn't want other people out on a wild goose chase like I feel that I was...

Jason

oama
01/09/2006, 11:18 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6456304#post6456304 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnowell


Pretty good photo editing, but edited in my opinion. Just didn't want other people out on a wild goose chase like I feel that I was...

Jason

LMAO, Jason.
Well, I just left the one in question. He's doing quite well. As is one of his offspring that has the same exact square on the cheek, But, on the opposite cheek than his daddy.

jnowell
01/09/2006, 10:46 PM
LOL - I figured that would get some kind of response! So, if they really are real, when can us mortals get some? And how did you get one if Florida? More pics please, I won't even question their validity this time...no really, I promise! :D

Jason

oama
01/10/2006, 04:25 PM
Only a very low %age of the offspring have the extra white. The amount/locations of the white varies greatly. They are sold as they come to size. There is no "wait list". First come first serve.

TypeSH
01/13/2006, 04:56 PM
i think there was a post in another forum about the picasso clowns.

http://www.orafarm.com/newspecies.html

Sam

irene
01/23/2006, 06:05 PM
Great pictures, I love clown fish as well. How established does
the tank need to be prior to introducing the clowns. I like the
maroon clowns, have you seen them?

David M
01/24/2006, 06:19 PM
Whatever you call them, I just got two about a week ago. They were at a lfs, I traded 15 small osc for them (they were asking $150). The small one looks like the one above with the cheek mark & black spot, but not as nice. The "female" just looks like a perc with extra wide white stripes. They are not really a pair, just two fish in the same tank. I'll start a thread on them in the FBF after I get some decent pics.

ninhsavestheday
01/25/2006, 09:57 AM
did u get them at VM (brillant reef)?

David M
01/25/2006, 07:04 PM
Yes, those are the ones.

knowse
01/31/2006, 10:43 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6469699#post6469699 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by oama
Only a very low %age of the offspring have the extra white. The amount/locations of the white varies greatly. They are sold as they come to size. There is no "wait list". First come first serve.

Ok, but you still haven't said where to get them. Since it seems your's are breeding, do you sell them?

knowse
01/31/2006, 10:50 AM
dlckwood, what type of clown is that in your avitar?

topmav1
01/31/2006, 03:40 PM
Question: I saw a beautiful pair of what I thought were Black and White perculas at my LFS. I really think they are Saddlebacks. Any experience here with Saddleback clowns? I really love the perc but these at the store are really beautiful. I know that clowns dont get along so well...if I bring these two Saddlebacks into my tank, can I also house a percula?

Dlckwood
01/31/2006, 07:55 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6632061#post6632061 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by knowse
dlckwood, what type of clown is that in your avitar?

Thats an A. Chrysopterus clown. Sadly I have horrible luck with them so I have stopped trying.
David

knowse
02/01/2006, 09:07 AM
oama, sorry about the stupid post/remark, didn't realize who you was until it was too late to change it.

David, if I were to order a pair, would these be the one's labeled as "blue stripe"? Do all of them have the "blueish" stripes or is it a lighting thing? My lfs got one in a few weeks ago (with the blue) and I thought about getting it, but I want/need a pair, so didn't pick it up. I want to have them order me a pair, but I'm afraid they'll come in and not have the blue.

exotec
02/04/2006, 12:27 PM
No, No, nanocat! silly -- you can't produce anything with all x's .... you have to have some y's in there too!

sheesh

BlackOnyx
02/10/2006, 11:07 PM
LD: is your avatar photoshoped?

Dlckwood
02/11/2006, 08:34 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6715115#post6715115 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BlackOnyx
LD: is your avatar photoshoped?

Absolutly not! They are stunning fish.
David

puffer21
02/12/2006, 09:25 AM
what is the deffernce between the
Amphiprion percula – True Percula
SI (Solomon Island) Percula
Onyx Percula
Amphiprion ocellaris – False Percula, False Clown

thedigitalimager
02/19/2006, 08:23 PM
Here's a shot of Amphiprion bicinctus with a Heteractis magnifica (ritteri) anemone in the Red Sea. I can't recall ever seeing these available to aquarium enthusiasts. They're very beautiful, and I've spent many dives just observing them in their natural setting.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/71036JK.jpg

NANOFOOL
02/25/2006, 07:17 PM
those r great pics, where did you get them

NANOFOOL
02/25/2006, 07:17 PM
those r great pics, where did you get them

thedigitalimager
02/26/2006, 03:27 PM
Thanks, my wife and I spent eleven years teaching in Saudi Arabia. We were fortunate to be stationed in the Western Province next to the Red Sea. I dove every weekend and had my Nikonos with me on just about every dive.

clownnrnd
02/26/2006, 09:46 PM
LD, you say you don't have much luck w/ the chrysopterus. Is that becouse they dod not adapt to aquarium life or they do not spawn well? I've wanted to find a smallish pair of these or Bicinctus pair.
TIA,
Chad