Regal Angel Primer

[Dejavu]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14691697#post14691697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NuTom
Just wanted to show you guys a crazy looking Regal Angel. Someone was quick and put this fish on hold right when the store got it. So i decided to go with a scribbled angel. It's currently on hold for me until eating.

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu307/NuTom09/NEW20FISH20SHIPMENT20820008.jpg

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu307/NuTom09/NEW20FISH20SHIPMENT20820001.jpg


Some crazy pattern huh?

That sick! :eek: Someone has a nice fish.

[tankslave]

Well, he finally started picking at some of the clams I split open for him yesterday. Seems to prefer being able to rip/tear his food rather than eating it from the water column. I'm wondering what else I could try would have a similiar "eating style". Doesnt really show any interest in the seaweed. I think it gets too mushy. Just kind of waves around. Hell, I'll sacrifice a small colony of zoos, just to keep him going.

Gave him a half dose of Prazi too. He started scratching a bit, and the head shaking has increased. I think it may be inhibiting his appetite. I'll keep an eye on him to see if the meds reduce the symptoms. I'm being cautious about killing all the flukes too quickly, as I dont want to cause too much bleeding.

If anyone has any more food suggestions, let me know!

[szwab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14703819#post14703819 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tankslave
Well, he finally started picking at some of the clams I split open for him yesterday. Seems to prefer being able to rip/tear his food rather than eating it from the water column. I'm wondering what else I could try would have a similar "eating style".
If anyone has any more food suggestions, let me know!

The first took about 3 weeks before realizing there was more to life than clams. The second just recently has start eating anything I put in the tank after 3 months.
I noticed the same eating style in both my regals although the second one loved zoanthids as well. (cleaned my tank out) I tried to "teach" them to eat from the water column as at first they wouldn't even eat clam that way. Clams rubberbanded to rock at first then suspended in the water with fishing line. Eventually they would eat prepared clam/mussel cubes free floating. Then went to scallops rubberbanded to rock then free floating. Eventually broadened their diet with other frozen foods. Now they both eat very aggressively. Even so monitor what they are eating and how much. Feeding is focused on them the other fish do fine with what's left over :)

[Danieltank]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14698065#post14698065 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NuTom
It was $170 CAD :D. I believe it was put on hold even before the store got it too.

That is one beautiful regal angel!!!
$170 CAD, sounds like a joke to me! I would gladly pay $1000 if I ever got the chance to purchase this fish here in Denmark!!!

[tankslave]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14704366#post14704366 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by szwab
The first took about 3 weeks before realizing there was more to life than clams. The second just recently has start eating anything I put in the tank after 3 months.
I noticed the same eating style in both my regals although the second one loved zoanthids as well. (cleaned my tank out) I tried to "teach" them to eat from the water column as at first they wouldn't even eat clam that way. Clams rubberbanded to rock at first then suspended in the water with fishing line. Eventually they would eat prepared clam/mussel cubes free floating. Then went to scallops rubberbanded to rock then free floating. Eventually broadened their diet with other frozen foods. Now they both eat very aggressively. Even so monitor what they are eating and how much. Feeding is focused on them the other fish do fine with what's left over :)

Thanks!
Scallops sounds like a good idea, I think I'll try that, and rubber band it to a rock like you said. Seems like the clam meat is a little tough, IMO. Never thought I'd be using fishing line and "bait" in my aquarium! :p

[szwab]

I would buy whole clams open them up and hang them shell and all. Also makes it real easy to get the food in and out and keep it away from crabs and shrimp :)

[tankslave]

It seems like he has a hard time getting the meat out of the clams. I just bought some from the grocery store, "littleneck" clams... Wondering if I should use a different kind.

Anyone have any luck with garlic? Dont know if it really helps...

[Manta]

Shellfish on the half-shell usually a good bet, I personally wouldn't put garlic near your tank re some of the research floating around lately.

[Kieth71]

What is wrong with garlic in your tank..i have not heard anything about it being bad?

[tankslave]

That's why I mentioned it. I heard there was some research done somewhere that showed it wasnt effective (or even good). Was hoping it might ring a bell with someone.


On another note, I'm pretty sure my regal doesnt have a taste for zoos. I put a colony in there with him over the weekend, and they're all happy as, well, zoos. I was actually disappointed. I was hoping it would stimulate his appetite further.

...and what's with the live brine shrimp shortage?? The second I go out and buy a regal, you cant get live brine anywhere!!

[Danieltank]

I'm getting a juvi ragal within the next few weeks. I'll like to make extra sure that it will get off to the best start in my tank.
Is there some sort of medicine which will be appropriate to to use while acclimating the fish to my reeftank in a seperate bucket over a couple of hours? I'm not gonna QT the fish.

[sly fox]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14702158#post14702158 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dejavu
That sick! :eek: Someone has a nice fish.

what a wonderful fish!

[Felixc]

I picked up a 4.5" regal 3 weeks ago and man is this fish ever shy. It was held in my 25g frag tank ( with lots of rocks) during aclimation where I was able to dedicate it's demands. I started with clams, then move to prawns, and then to nori. Luckly for me, it ate little bit of everything after a week of just hidding behind the rocks. After two weeks, I stopped the clams and was only feeding nori and prawns wrapped on a PVC pipe. It really likes this method and is now regained it's former weight. It did not seem to care much for mysis or brine.

The real test is when I move it over to the display tank where it will have to compete with 7 tangs, and 6 angels. Hopefully it will remember the PVC method and learn to eat pellets over time as the main tank is primarily on pellets. Fingers crossed.

My previous regal attemp was in a bare 25g quaratine tank where I was dosing Prazi. After a week of preventative medication, it died, perhaps I over dosed or it was just too sensitive to the drug. Two other butterflyfish in that same tank was alright with the medication. I don't think I will go that route again on a healthy fish just for the sake of precautions. I am sure I wasted a healthy regal due to prazi.

[silverfly]

Wow-you have 7 tangs and 6 angels in a 120?

[silverfly]

BTW-great thread!:) Why not the regal angel primer?

[tankslave]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14881557#post14881557 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Danieltank
I'm getting a juvi ragal within the next few weeks. I'll like to make extra sure that it will get off to the best start in my tank.
Is there some sort of medicine which will be appropriate to to use while acclimating the fish to my reeftank in a seperate bucket over a couple of hours? I'm not gonna QT the fish.

See here:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14879089#post14879089

I would not recommend putting a Juvi Regal into the main tank unless he is the only/primary resident. They are extremely shy, and will not do well with established tankmates, unless they are already eating. In a QT, you can treat for flukes, and teach him to eat prepared foods, without being harassed

If you're hell bent on sticking him straight into the display, a freshwater dip should remove most of the flukes that are along for the ride, but its no guarantee. FW dip is also very stressful. Regals are very shy, and it just takes one little thing, and they wont eat. If you dont mind the possiblity of treating your display with PraziPro, I would forgo the FW dip, and concentrate on getting him to eat first, and deal with parasites later. They usually dont bother the fish enough to prevent him from eating. A harassing tankmate will. They usually die of starvation before any other illness, from what I've read.

[tankslave]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14881752#post14881752 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Felixc

My previous regal attemp was in a bare 25g quaratine tank where I was dosing Prazi. After a week of preventative medication, it died, perhaps I over dosed or it was just too sensitive to the drug. Two other butterflyfish in that same tank was alright with the medication. I don't think I will go that route again on a healthy fish just for the sake of precautions. I am sure I wasted a healthy regal due to prazi.

Its funny you mentioned that. I miscalculated my PraziPro dose, and only dosed 1/10 the recommended dose. That alone caused noticible stress on the Regal. I did a 30% water change 2 days later, and skimmed as much as I could. Thing was, that he stopped twitching/scratching after that. I'm sure it didnt kill all the flukes, but as others have mentioned, you probably dont want to do that immediately (flukes will leave holes in the skin, and they tend to bleed when the fluke falls off).

Anyhow, I'd start off with only a fraction of the recommended dose, just enough to alleviate the stress to the fish, so that you can concentrate on getting him to eat.

[Danieltank]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14883571#post14883571 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tankslave
See here:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14879089#post14879089

I would not recommend putting a Juvi Regal into the main tank unless he is the only/primary resident. They are extremely shy, and will not do well with established tankmates, unless they are already eating. In a QT, you can treat for flukes, and teach him to eat prepared foods, without being harassed

If you're hell bent on sticking him straight into the display, a freshwater dip should remove most of the flukes that are along for the ride, but its no guarantee. FW dip is also very stressful. Regals are very shy, and it just takes one little thing, and they wont eat. If you dont mind the possiblity of treating your display with PraziPro, I would forgo the FW dip, and concentrate on getting him to eat first, and deal with parasites later. They usually dont bother the fish enough to prevent him from eating. A harassing tankmate will. They usually die of starvation before any other illness, from what I've read.



Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I don't have a separate QT. However, I have the following plan:

1) Slowly acclimate the fish over a couple of hours
2) FW dip for 3 min in RO water
3) Add the fish to a see-through box with small wholes and a few pieces of pvc pipes for hiding and place it in the main tank
4) add a cleaner shrimp to the box to pick off parasites from the fish
5) This way I can hopefully teach the fish to eat without being disturbed while the new fish gets used to the established fished and vice versa, without them being able to attack each other
6) Keep the fish in the box for app 1 week, observe whether it shows signs of illness.
7) Perform FW dips 2-3 times during the week

How does this plan sound to you guys?

[Macimage]

As already noted, these are a delicate fish and you will have the best chance with a separate qt tank. Mine is very shy and hides in the rockwork. It would not have done well in a see through holding container in the main tank.

You may want to pick up a cheap used setup for qt and resell it when you are finished with it.

[tankslave]

Instead of the see-through box, I would get one of those tank dividers, or just use some egg-crate (http://www.louversintl.com/products/louver_eggcrate.html). If you're going to put him in the main tank, at least let him have access to some live rock to forage on.

Personally I'd only do one FW dip before introduction to the tank. After that, just wait and see if he develops any symptoms. I would not do any more FW dips unless absolutely necessary with this fish. Besides, once he is in the display tank, and you find he does have flukes, or anything else, you will probably have to treat the whole tank. FW dip will take care of what flukes he brings in. It will probably be a few weeks before any eggs hatch and can reach maturity. Once he is in the display tank, just concentrate on feeding him. Dont stress him out with additional FW dips until he is eating, and only if necessary. That would be my advice.

[NexDog]

I've tried and failed with Regals 3 times but going to try again soon. Do these pair well? I'm thinking of getting 2 juvis at the same time.

That morph at the top of this page is outstanding.

[tankslave]

The literature usually recommends not to put two adults together, except in very large tanks (which you seem to have). I dont know about juvis...

[michael_cb_125]

Has anyone seen any small Red Sea Regals lately?

I am having a very difficult time finding one.

~Michael

[myerst2]

Hey Michael. The season is about done for them. You may see a few left come out of Vanuatu. T Wish I could get me hands on one of these Regards. T
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg22/myerst22/angels/32382xanthic_regal.jpg

[Danieltank]

Received my red sea regal angel this saturday and it looks nice fat. The store called it a "fingerprint regal angel" as it has some very cool looking miss-bars on the one side and looks normal on the other. I gave it a 5 min FW dip before introduced to my reef.

So far it has eaten some New Life Spectrum pellets. Today, however, I have noticed some white ich on its tail and a white dot on its one eye. Also it has changed behavior compared to the last couple of days, as it has stayed more behind the rocks today.

Should I be worried? Have purchased Oodinex, which should be usable in reeftanks. But I am a bit reluctant to use it other than as a last resort.

[blface]

Oodinex is an excellent product that I have used many times in the past. I can't find it here in the US anymore. It is COPPER based so I wouldn't use it in a reef tank. I only have experience with it in a FO tank. Good Luck w/ the new regal.

[tankslave]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15120670#post15120670 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Danieltank
Received my red sea regal angel this saturday and it looks nice fat. The store called it a "fingerprint regal angel" as it has some very cool looking miss-bars on the one side and looks normal on the other. I gave it a 5 min FW dip before introduced to my reef.

So far it has eaten some New Life Spectrum pellets. Today, however, I have noticed some white ich on its tail and a white dot on its one eye. Also it has changed behavior compared to the last couple of days, as it has stayed more behind the rocks today.

Should I be worried? Have purchased Oodinex, which should be usable in reeftanks. But I am a bit reluctant to use it other than as a last resort.

Is it a white spot, or more like a blotch? Could be flukes.

[Danieltank]

the eye looks a bit cloudy by now, so it could be a fluke. Also the stomach looks a bit swollen, but he doesn't look skinny. Consider buying some Tremazol and soak some NLS pellets in, or taking him out and treat in a separate 20l. bucket for some time?

[Danieltank]

or would it be better to treat the whole tank with sera tremazol? have sps, lps, inverts (GBTA), and tridacnas. could take many of the corals out and put into a separate bucket while treating?

[Danieltank]

Anyone: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1650384

[danorth]

Just got a 4" yellow belly today. It is in a 10 gallon with copper and prazipro right off the bat even though it looks spotless. Next Sunday I will remove all water and replace with clean water and use reef quality rock with stuff growing on it. So far it has pecked at an open clam and that is it. I've presented it so far with:

PE mysis, spirulina (sp) brine, shredded shrimp, NLS 1 and 3 mm pellets, formula 1 pellets and flake food. Yes I have started hard with the feedings to see what I'm dealing with. This fish is fresh from the wholesaler but was held there for a week and ate and was hand selected. The bag had white poo but the fish was fed shrimp for the past week so that makes sense. Anyways, here it is with the bag water *note the white poo floating by*:

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j203/danorth/P1010524-1.jpg

[danorth]

I want to add there was a 5.5" one as well that supposedly didn't eat yesterday and I thought I had read on here that the optimal size is the 3-4" range....

[melanotaenia]

smaller is generally better; they adapt better to aquarium life and feedings.

[Recty]

Nice looking fish, Dan. If you can get one to live happily in your tank, I might risk trying one in mine, I love the way they look :)

[danorth]

Melano-That is what I had thought and glad I went with the smaller one.

Recty- I'll give it all I've got! They are very pretty fish, this and the clown tang, and the scribbled are the prettiest ones out there I think.

[danorth]

It pecks as Formula 2 flake so far....doesn't really care for open clams or even live brine. I had some so I wanted to see if it would eat it....

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j203/danorth/th_VID00001.jpg (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j203/danorth/?action=view&current=VID00001.flv)

[michael_cb_125]

http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/productdetailcc.asp?did=11&cid=331&pid=3395

Notice it says sold ;)

~Michael

[RichK]

I just saw this thread was back on the first page. I got mine from Live Aquaria in March of 2006 and it continues to thrive in my tank. It eats anything and is very fat. It has become the bully of the tank though and it is very pushy when it comes to feeding time. I'll try and post up a pic soon. By far, this has become my favorite fish. Like previous angels I have owned, it has developed quite the personality.

[michael_cb_125]

These fish are amazing, and like you just said, develop quite interesting personalities.

~Michael

[michael_cb_125]

Well, my little guy will be here tomorrow!

I am very excited to see this little fish. I have never seen one this small in person, and have been searching for one for a while now. Actually I just called Blue Zoo Yesterday, and they said that they might see 2 or 3 per year. I really lucked out on this fish.

I wish more of these little guys would come to the US.

~Michael

[danorth]

Mine is eating Formula 2 flake and has now for about 5 days. Today is a week and a day with the fish.

[wooden_reefer]

I believe this fish should not be collected.

I had one for about two years and grew about an inch for the two years. It ate mostly scallop and mixed frozen food. Then for about three months it just swam close to its food smelled it and refused to eat. It became paper thin and then died.

I have no explanation. It managed to live for three months without food so it was not diseased, I think. I just refused to eat after two years in capitivity.

I will NEVER keep this fish again. It was an ordeal I don't want to experience again.

Could there be a natural dietary change? It grew from about 5 to 6 inches including tail.

[Aqua Keepers]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15198877#post15198877 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wooden_reefer

It managed to live for three months without food so it was not diseased, I think. I just refused to eat after two years in capitivity.



Many diseases will cause a loss of appetite.

[DamnPepShrimp]

Gorgeous regal dan! Very alert and healthy looking! Where is she going? What tank? I think you need to setup a nice big reef at home! Or in the classroom, would make for a great educational tool, maybe the school will help fund?

[danorth]

Thanks man, it is very alert and hungry.

Not a chance on funding anything in this economy. It will go into the 240 with the new flame angel in a month or 2. It is a very bold fish and tail swats at my titan trigger....good sign for the attitude it will need with the other angels.

[michealprater]

I am still unable to get my Red Sea Regal to eat. I have had him for 16 days. He was fat and healthy when I got him. He is still hanging in there but getting thin behind the head a little. Looking for any last resort tips to getting him to eat? So far I have tried.

Ocean Nutrition Angel Formula
Hikari Mega-Marine Angel
Clams on a half shell
brine shrimp
mysis shrimp
seafood cuisine
brown nori
green nori
bloodworms
formula 2 flakes

I have tried soaking the foods in garlic. Nothing seems to work. He has nibbled on the flake, clams and angel formula, but a very miniscule amount.

[danorth]

What fish is it with?

[michealprater]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15203666#post15203666 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by danorth
What fish is it with?

Doesnt matter, found the regal dead on the floor. Apparent suicide.

[danorth]

Oh that sucks. Live and let die.

[danorth]

Well, mine is dead this morning too. It and my flame angel at the same time. Other 3 fish still fine in the tank. It was eating just last night at 5:30, very active.....really don't know. Been in QT since 6/9.

[szwab]

bump

[Treg]

Hows your pair doing mark?

[szwab]

Doing great over a year for one and almost for the other. Looking healthy with no issues except the larger of the 2 looks like something nipped her anal fin. Clean and clear though so I'm confident it will heal quickly.
They eat anything (large one won't eat flake though) I'm still paranoid feedings are geared around them, everyone else get's their scraps :D

[Treg]

Thats fantastic!

Its nice to read a success story in this thread!




I may have to stop down and visit them again sometime. :)

[szwab]

Success so far, but like I said they've passed a few hurdles but have a bit to go before I feel like I can claim long term success.

Stop by anytime. :thumbsup:

[tankslave]

Mine's still alive, and appears to be doing good. Just transferred him to the main tank after several month in the QT/prop tank in the garage. Would have moved him earlier, but I added some more hiding places for him in the main tank.

He apparently has a clam addiction, however. :D

[szwab]

Live or prepared clam? Mine are the same I am very hesitant at trying to add a clam to the display. I fear they wuld make lunch of it.

[Kieth71]

I have mine eating clams on the shell.I am adding mysis in the clam to try and get him to start eating other items.Any other suggestions on how to move him over to prepared foods?

[tankslave]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15568813#post15568813 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by szwab
Live or prepared clam? Mine are the same I am very hesitant at trying to add a clam to the display. I fear they wuld make lunch of it.

Shucked from the grocery store, so yes, live. He isnt so keen on frozen clams. I just accepted the fact that I'm not going to have a clam in the display, he'd have a heyday.

Yes, any suggestions on how to get him to eat from the water colum? I tried hanging the clams on a string, but he didnt go for that.

[szwab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15568909#post15568909 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tankslave
Shucked from the grocery store, so yes, live. He isnt so keen on frozen clams. I just accepted the fact that I'm not going to have a clam in the display, he'd have a heyday.

Yes, any suggestions on how to get him to eat from the water colum? I tried hanging the clams on a string, but he didnt go for that.

Lots and lots of patience :D
Mine still have more of the tearing motion when eating not a straight bite like other fish.
Both mine took about a month or so before they'd eat anything but clam on the half shell. next food was scallops rubberbanded to a rock then I slowly weaned them to the water column by chopping up the scallops to bite sized pieces. The larger of the 2 would not eat mysis for a long time. Although she is the one that had the craving for all my zoanthids. (which didn't bother me) Now any food is fair game. Best part is both eat nori so now I can have food available at all times :) I also used arctic pods to increase their interest. I also mixed different foods together and soaked them in clam "soup" (thawed clam) hoping they'd accidentally eat something and decide they liked it.
HTH In all my time with reefing these by far have been the most demanding fish I have had.

[tankslave]

Huh, good suggestions there! Like the idea of soaking them in the clam juice I think I will try that with the scallops. I have noticed that the smell of the food is important.

Yes, by far the most demanding fish I've ever encountered.

[tankslave]

My wife commented, "I see why they call them 'Regals'"

[Kieth71]

I have the fish eating Rods food and angel formula now from the clam shell and is also eating the stuff that falls out from the shell.My next move is to stop putting the shell in and see if he will eat from the water collumn.Either way i am happy i dont have to buy any more clams as they dont sell them cheap in colorado:)

[szwab]

And they are not real good on water quality :)

[Kieth71]

And they are not real good on water quality

He is still in qt and i try and vacuum out the extra food each nightas well as change water often.I wanted to give him a week of eating prepared foods before i treat the qt with prazipro.he is a great looking fish..i will try and get a pic tommorrow-Kieth

[szwab]

You can also dip the food in Prazipro. I do think it's a good idea to get him eating well then treat though.
Have you seen visual signs flukes? Another option would be a freshwater dip. That's what I did with my second one. I'll admit it was tense and nerve racking but worked out well in the end.

[Kieth71]

I have not noticed any flukes but i am pretty sure he has internal parasites.He also has a spine coming from his underside that i am unsure what it is.I am not sure if you can see it well in this pic but he was not cooperating with my attempts to get a good picture:)


http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/001-10.jpg

[Recty]

Are you talking about what I drew the red arrow towards? That is just growing out of his body? Seems very weird... that should be right where he poops from, maybe something is stuck in there.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/Recty/001-10.jpg

[Kieth71]

That is exactly right recty.I was thinking the same thing but i was not sure what should be done.

[Recty]

Have you seen him brush up against anything with it? Like is it a rigid spine or does it move and bend with current or when touching the PVC?

[Kieth71]

It have seen it flex when it hits the pvc but i am not sure it bends.The flexing could also be it moving inside the fish if it is indeed stuck inside as you stated earlier .It does not seem to be bothering the fish as it is still pooping although the waste looks stringy like internal parasites are present in the fish.Current does not seem to move the"spine" though as far as i can tell.

[Recty]

I think I might know what it is...

The top and bottom unpaired fins that run along the length of the fish have spines in them, when the angel flares out those fins you can tell.

It looks to me like the very front spine on the bottom fin has ripped loose from the skin. It's hard to tell from the picture if that spine is a couple millimeters in front of the fin or if they come together at the base.

Anyway, that's my bet... the spine detached or ripped out of the fin and isnt moving the bottom fin anymore. I guess one way to test would be to do something that scares it a little ;) That makes my angels flare out all their fins, if you see the spine moving and the fin not moving correctly near the front, it's almost a sure bet that is what the spine is.

[Kieth71]

You could very well be right but if that was the case wouldnt that spine receed back when not flared?This spine appears to be down as you see it all the time?I tried and the spine does not appear to move although that doesnt mean you are not right as maybe it is injured at this point.

[Recty]

Well I'm not sure how much those spines all tie together. I dont know if the angels only move the front one and all the rest just follow suit since they are all tied together or what the deal is.

It makes sense that if the front spine usually flares the fin and then all the sudden it is detached from the fin and loses all it's normal tension, that it would stick out a lot more than normal.

If you do figure out a way to make him flare, it would be worth noting if the bottom fin flares fully at the front or if it doesnt, that would help determine if that spine should be attached to the fin.

[Kieth71]

I just got a real close look at it and i believe your assesment is correct.I am guessing this will not heal but hopefully it will not affect him to much.Ty for the info as i was worried that it was actually something stuck where he poops as you first suggested.-Kieth

[tankslave]

I had a tang with some parasite that looked similar. I had to physically pull it off with a hemostat. It was the grossest thing ever.

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/523/35522Tang_Parasite.jpg

I dont think what you have is a spine. If it is, it should be paired on the other side.

[tankslave]

More pics:

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/512/35522Tang_Parasite2-med.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/523/35522Removed_Parasite-med.jpg

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15597509#post15597509 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rockymtreefer
I just got a real close look at it and i believe your assesment is correct.I am guessing this will not heal but hopefully it will not affect him to much.Ty for the info as i was worried that it was actually something stuck where he poops as you first suggested.-Kieth You would be surprised, I had a harlequin tusk that ripped away the leading spine in his left pectoral fin and I thought it would never reattach. It eventually did, it started growing back together at the base and just slowly recovered.

For what it's worth, these kind of problems are usually caused when you're handling the fish in a net. The spines slide through the holes and the fins cant.

I dont handle my angels in nets anymore, I just use my hand. If you've never tried it, it's pretty easy. Just real slowly move your hand towards them when they are in a small container like an acclimating bucket and they will just flare their fins but let you pick them up and then you just quickly place them into whatever tank they are destined for.

I never use nets anymore, even with my tangs that I'm worried might slice me, just because I'm afraid of damage to the fish.

[Kieth71]

I have not handled this fish with a net as i am just like you and worry about gill spines and such getting caught.I use a gloved hand and gently moved him from the aclimation bucket to the qt.I am sure though before he got to me that they were used and this could very well be the reason the fish was injured.I hope it does regrow and will keep a close eye on it so it doesnt start a bacterial infection although at this point it loks pretty clean-Kieth

[Recty]

Sounds good! Keep your water quality high and hopefully it eats really well, that should have no problem healing within just a couple weeks to a month if everything goes good.

[tankslave]

I dont handle my fish at all. Dont want to damage their slime coat. I just use small plastic food containers to scoop them out. Much easier both for me, and the fish.

[Iwishihadgills]

heres my beauty


http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/rothincali/regalangel.jpg

[Kieth71]

I just thought i would update on the regal.He is eating everything i put in the tank.He is done with the prazipro treatment as well.I am running carbon will do a water change then i will treat with quinine sulfate.His spine is not healing but it does not seem to be bothering him at all.I also notice his right side twords his head is a bit diffrent on his right side.On one side the line connects on the other it doesnt-Kieth

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/009.jpg


http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/008.jpg

[HomeSlizzice]

Very Nice!

[Western_reefer]

Beautiful Regal Angelfish everyone!! Just curious, how big do they get?

[HomeSlizzice]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15661497#post15661497 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Western_reefer
Beautiful Regal Angelfish everyone!! Just curious, how big do they get?

About 10" from what I've read/heard.

[laguero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15658774#post15658774 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rockymtreefer
I just thought i would update on the regal.He is eating everything i put in the tank.He is done with the prazipro treatment as well.I am running carbon will do a water change then i will treat with quinine sulfate.His spine is not healing but it does not seem to be bothering him at all.I also notice his right side twords his head is a bit diffrent on his right side.On one side the line connects on the other it doesnt-Kieth

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/009.jpg


http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/008.jpg


Hi Kieth,
What a beautiful fish you have there.

Did you notice any difference on the feeding behaviour after treating him with Prazipro? Was he feeding since you got him? If no, what did you do, or what did you offer him to start eating?

I got mine almost a week ago and she hasn't feed anything so far. I have tried with live and frozen clams on the half shell, live brine, frozen mysis, pellets and flakes (ocean nutrition) with no luck.

I started with Praziquantel yesterday as I noticed what I think could be flukes on her body, and hope after the treatment she will start feeding. She is in a 40 gal QT tank very much like yours, with nothing but PVC pipes and Elbows, a large skimmer and medium circulation, no live rock or sand and a sponge filter.

Do you have any advice on how to make her start feeding? I'm thinking on treat with copper after prazipro but Im not sure as she is not eathing anything so far.

I'm in MX and it is close to impossible to get a Regal Angelfish that is already eating on the LFS, as they don't get any "exotic" fish, you have to go to the market or online order to the US, but you have no chance to observe the fish for some days and make sure they are eating.

Any advise will be really appreciated.

Luis

[Recty]

Here's my little regal... not eating yet but I'm still hopeful.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/Recty/regal003.jpg

[Kieth71]

Hi luis

This fish was not eating when i first got him.It took me 3 weeks to get him to eat everything.I started with live clams then after he was eating that well i started stuffing the clam with prepared foods.Eventually i put no clam and just put prepared foods on the clam shell.Then i moved to just dropping the food in.I did not treat the fish with prazipro until he was eating well.Prazipro can stop an eating fish from eating and a fish that is not eating to begin with will become impossible.One thing you can do is give the fish a freshwater bath to give the fish some relief if you are sure he has flukes get him eating well then treat with the prazipro to kill off the remaining flukes and eggs.HTH-Kieth

[Kieth71]

That is a beautiful fish recty.I really wanted a smaller fish and actually ordered a smaller fish but ended up with one about 4 inches.Have you tried live brine at all?Sometimes that can stimulate them to eat.

[laguero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15664460#post15664460 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rockymtreefer
Hi luis

This fish was not eating when i first got him.It took me 3 weeks to get him to eat everything.I started with live clams then after he was eating that well i started stuffing the clam with prepared foods.Eventually i put no clam and just put prepared foods on the clam shell.Then i moved to just dropping the food in.I did not treat the fish with prazipro until he was eating well.Prazipro can stop an eating fish from eating and a fish that is not eating to begin with will become impossible.One thing you can do is give the fish a freshwater bath to give the fish some relief if you are sure he has flukes get him eating well then treat with the prazipro to kill off the remaining flukes and eggs.HTH-Kieth

Wow, that was fast.

I will follow your suggestion, I will remove prazipro and give him a fw dip to remove flukes. I will give him some time hopefully he will start eating soon.

3 weeks, huh? that's a lot, is a fish usually able to support that long with no food?

I'm possitive he has flukes, after 20 mins of adding Praziquantel to the QT tank he started to "scratch" against the floor and PVC and some "things" fell off his body. I'm using pharmacy praziquantel or Cesol as there is no Prazipro available around here, Im using enough to have 2.5mg/l concentration as per Hikari instructions (prazipro).

I will keep trying with live clams, and will try to offer as much variety of food as possible.

Txs again for your words.

Congrats for your beautiful fish.

[szwab]

Time and patience and a lot of luck :)

When you do the dip make sure the temp is the same and you have buffered to match ph. also aerate the water really well prior to placing the angel in. The fish may sink to the bottom of the container. That is not necessarily bad. It is very stressful (at least for me) and took everything I had to continue. If it starts darting around like it's going to jump out of it's scales, that's not a good sign. Remove right away and back into salt water. Otherwise just monitor the fish the entire time.

[TOOTIME]

Can someone tell me if this is a Red Sea or an Indo Pacific Regal. REGAL ANGELFISH (PAPUA NEW GUINEA), I bought one and I am just curious. Thanks in advance

[szwab]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15666767#post15666767 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TOOTIME
Can someone tell me if this is a Red Sea or an Indo Pacific Regal. REGAL ANGELFISH (PAPUA NEW GUINEA), I bought one and I am just curious. Thanks in advance

Did you post a pic earlier in the thread?

Generally the gray bellied are Indos, but not all yellow Bellies are Red Sea either.

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15664612#post15664612 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rockymtreefer
That is a beautiful fish recty.I really wanted a smaller fish and actually ordered a smaller fish but ended up with one about 4 inches.Have you tried live brine at all?Sometimes that can stimulate them to eat. I havent tried live brine yet but I've tried about everything else known to man.

[TOOTIME]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15666813#post15666813 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by szwab
Did you post a pic earlier in the thread?

Generally the gray bellied are Indos, but not all yellow Bellies are Red Sea either.

No I have not posted a pic yet but will try to later tonight. I was just curious if anyone knew what coloration I would be receiving. Thanks...

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15666767#post15666767 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TOOTIME
Can someone tell me if this is a Red Sea or an Indo Pacific Regal. REGAL ANGELFISH (PAPUA NEW GUINEA), I bought one and I am just curious. Thanks in advance I would suspect if they didnt label it a "Red Sea" or a "Yellow Belly" then it's probably the gray/blue coloration, still a pretty fish!

[klasiksb]

For those of you with Regals; what other angels do you keep with them?
Thanks Sheila

[LuvAngels88]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15696023#post15696023 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by klasiksb
For those of you with Regals; what other angels do you keep with them?
Thanks Sheila

My Regal shares a tank with a Bandit angel.

[szwab]

Mine are in with a flameback.

[kinlayan]

Here is my regal ,definitely one of my best fish , had it for 6 years so far and it has the company of alot of other angels such as a full grown french, majestic,blueface, queen, potter,flame and venustus angels with her

couldnt resist showing her off not a good photo though, she hasnt grown much at all compared to some of the other angels she shares the aquarium with

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42085951@N06/3921486448/" title="regal by Kinlayan, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/3921486448_7f83b79837.jpg"

[klasiksb]

kinlayan-How big is your tank? My regal is going in a 210 and I don't want to stress him out with aggressive fish. He is going to be the first fish in the tank.

[kinlayan]

The regal is currently housed in a 1320gal(5000 litres) aquarium for the last year after being moved from an aquarium of the same volume

and yes i doubt i could have kept her so healthy with so many large fishes if i didnt have the large volume of water and territory

[szwab]

If it helps anyone, I just started feeding my regals Cyclopeeze flakes. They eat it at the same aggressiveness as clam on the half shell.

[Aqua Keepers]

Cyclopeeze flakes??? This is news to me. Can you share a link?

[loblazer1999]

I'm new to RC and would like to say everybodys regals look awsome ...I have had one for about 5 months now and it eats everything i put in the tank beauitful fish but recently i had to put it in my sump to swim around because it ate all my zoos,and my clove....I hate to see him in my sump he's my show fish and i wish some one would buy him from me the LFS doesn't want to give me anything for him and i just want what i paid for him 5 months ago ...sorry i'd post pics but i don't know how to....I think the regal is the best looking fish out there just don't want my tank to suffer because of one fish.....

[Aqua Keepers]

[i]i wish some one would buy him from me[/B]
R U kidding me? Tons of people here would buy it. Wish I was in a better position!!

[szwab]

Yep, you need to choose Regal or zoas (I did :D )in most cases.

[HomeSlizzice]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15708199#post15708199 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by loblazer1999
I'm new to RC and would like to say everybodys regals look awsome ...I have had one for about 5 months now and it eats everything i put in the tank beauitful fish but recently i had to put it in my sump to swim around because it ate all my zoos,and my clove....I hate to see him in my sump he's my show fish and i wish some one would buy him from me the LFS doesn't want to give me anything for him and i just want what i paid for him 5 months ago ...sorry i'd post pics but i don't know how to....I think the regal is the best looking fish out there just don't want my tank to suffer because of one fish.....

If you want Zoas and Cloves that is what a frag tank or small tank tied into your tank is for when you keep a Regal. Because Regal>Zoas

[JohnL]

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[JohnL]

This thread was automatically split due to performance issues. You can find the rest of the thread here: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=15737599#post15737599

[HomeSlizzice]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15708199#post15708199 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by loblazer1999
I'm new to RC and would like to say everybodys regals look awsome ...I have had one for about 5 months now and it eats everything i put in the tank beauitful fish but recently i had to put it in my sump to swim around because it ate all my zoos,and my clove....I hate to see him in my sump he's my show fish and i wish some one would buy him from me the LFS doesn't want to give me anything for him and i just want what i paid for him 5 months ago ...sorry i'd post pics but i don't know how to....I think the regal is the best looking fish out there just don't want my tank to suffer because of one fish.....

If you want Zoas and Cloves that is what a frag tank or small tank tied into your tank is for when you keep a Regal. Because Regal>Zoas

[Elan L.]

wow thats exactly what im going to do with the frag tank

[kinlayan]

regal angel always wants to be centre of attention amongst the jewels!!

pity about the bad quality but it was taken with a cellphone camera


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42085951@N06/3959402661/" title="tank pic by Kinlayan, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2646/3959402661_37fbc98917.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="tank pic" /></a>

[tweetyfish]

I know this is a crazy question but I have to ask. I just received a Regal last Saturday and I am having trouble getting her to eat. I have been watching her from time to time and noticed her mouth does not move at all. Not even when feeding the other fish. I mean the mouth just stays wide open and doesn't close. Is this normal?
Thanks

[szwab]

Doesn't sound normal. Do you have a pic by chance?

[tweetyfish]

I have already shut the lights out. I will take a few pics tomorrow after work.
Thanks

[kinlayan]

regal angel always wants to be centre of attention amongst the jewels!!

pity about the bad quality but it was taken with a cellphone camera


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42085951@N06/3973388349/" title="regal in centre picture by Kinlayan, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2555/3973388349_001c2312f9.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="regal in centre picture" /></a>

[klasiksb]

I'm having some problems with my regal, please look here
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1717022
Thanks

[mattsilvester]

regal angel always wants to be centre of attention amongst the jewels!!

pity about the bad quality but it was taken with a cellphone camera


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42085951@N06/3973388349/" title="regal in centre picture by Kinlayan, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2555/3973388349_001c2312f9.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="regal in centre picture" /></a>

Thats a great looking tank you have there kinlayan, but in the context of this thread I feel it important to point out that regal angels generlly do not fare so well in tanks which are that crowded. What are the tank dimensions?

[kinlayan]

"Thats a great looking tank you have there kinlayan"

thank you Matt

to answer your questions you are correct it takes more skill to keep a regal angel , i have had mine for numerous years and they are currently in a new aquarium after being housed in a previous 5000 litre one, In this new one which has been operating for a year now the volume is again 5000 litres or 1320 Us gallons, it is 3 metres long by 2 metres wide by 1.1 metres high. and is divided into 3 biotope type areas the middle section which you see in the picture which houses mainly fish, live blue coral, anemone and cleaner shrimps. the two side compartments house primarily soft and lps corals.

The regal is definitely one of my favourite fish and when i moved all the fish to this new aquarium, she was the first one to go in, this led to her feeling much more confident in the aquarium as other fish were added, also the aquascaping provides so many nooks and crannies which is very important as this is the usual habitat of regal angels in the wild. Most of the angels are with me for more than 5 years some are now at 15 years with me in captivity

[kinlayan]

Klasiksb the red area's are probably an indication of a secondary bacterial infection on the fish both the medicine's you are using cupramine and prazipro wouldnt be effective at treating this, it may heal on its own keep a close eye on it, but i think if it worsens at all i would treat with antibiotics in the food if possible

[addicted2reefin]

kinylan, is that a picasso/huma trigger in there that i see at the top center slighty left? or another rhinocanthus(sp?) sp.

[psilentchild]

I just bought one from bluezoo.Should I keep it in my qt or move him to my dt?

[kinlayan]

addicted2reefin ,no it isnt a picasso, it is a clown trigger or Balistoides conspicillum that i have had for around 13 years now

[tranto1]

I saw petco selling one for $40. It was roughly 2-3 inch big. I was very tempted to get one but seeing how it was petco selling it and how hard of a fish it is to keep. i had to pass. I plan on getting a small one sometime in the future for sure tho.

[Aqua Keepers]

I wouldn't order Aptasia from Petco.
Actually, their website always says that they have 2-3" 'ers in stock, but if you call them you will quickly find otherwise.

[NexDog]

kinlayan - where can we read more about your aquarium? You have a Queen and a Blue Girled in there and is that a Sohal in the center - or a Clown Tang? Can't make it out.

[kinlayan]

Hi Nexdog thanks for your interest!

I am soon going to make a thread under the large reef aquarium thread i have just not got around to it yet about my build
Yes i have a Queen angel been with me 11 years so far and was a juvenile when i got her
as well as a majestic(navarchus) and blue face angel (xanthometophon)also both been with me 9 -5 years so far
The tang in the centre that you are referring to its probably the juvenile vlamingi tang

Nexdog have been following your thread with alot of interest congrats on your build

[NexDog]

Cool, looking forward to it. :)

[NexDog]

Cool, looking forward to it. :)

[klasiksb]

Does anyone have a Regal that likes the taste of chalice corals?

[szwab]

Mine will nip every once in a while but don't do any damage.

[klasiksb]

Another problem or continuation of the other, please look.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15866579#post15866579

[kellon16]

I know Its probably listed some where on this thread but how bad will a regal go to town on my lps and clams?

[szwab]

Mine nip at lps every once in a while but don't do any damage from what I can see. No experience with clams but considering that's the only thing either would eat when I first got them so much so that I don't dare try one now.

[kellon16]

Well I just picked mine up from the lfs I picked him up the day he arrived I wasn't going to but he was from the red see he is yellow chested and fat as can be he even has a little bit of a gut. My purple tang harassed him a little so far but since the lights were off he hasn't noticed him. I put a crap load of food in and he took interest to it chasing it but never took a bite that I could see. So he might already be eating Im not sure yet but by far the coolest fish I own

[Creetin]

I picked one up about a month ago. He is not eating prepaired foods but is eating the small zoanthids, and grazing off the rocks and sponges.
He leaves the larger zoa gigantus alone. (PPE type polyps) Need to plumb up a zoa tank this weekend.
I'll leave him a ton of green dragone eye's for him to munch on.
He does not like my coral beauty and zebra lyretail angels. As moonpod mentioned it has gotten a typical angel attitude.

[Kieth71]

I have not updated progress on mine in a while but he is doing very well and here is a pic of him.

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/001-16.jpg

[kinlayan]

nice different bars on that regal

[Kieth71]

Here are a few more pics...one of the other side which the bars are diffrent and front view as well.He eats everything including spectrum pellets.

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/003-6.jpg

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Rockymtreefer/002-8.jpg

[Creetin]

My regal is finnally looking at and inspecting prepaired foods, But is still aggressivly eating zoanthids and sponge growing in the tank. Good thing i have loads of sponge and green zoa's for it to mow over. Its getting pretty terratorial, But not too bad. It def is no pushover to any fish in my tank.
Looking to add a goldflake angel in the coming mos.

[t4zalews]

question....can a regal angel be housed in a 65g...I remember looking at an old TOTM and seeing one in the same tank dimension I have and it was LOADED with corals. I've had success with keeping larger fish in my tank, but had to give them up when they got too big....hippo tang, lavender tang, purple tang... but I'd like to keep the angel in my tank. Any suggestions, the tank is sps

[Erniethisle]

ick on my regal what to do can anyone help in this madness?

[szwab]

question....can a regal angel be housed in a 65g...I remember looking at an old TOTM and seeing one in the same tank dimension I have and it was LOADED with corals. I've had success with keeping larger fish in my tank, but had to give them up when they got too big....hippo tang, lavender tang, purple tang... but I'd like to keep the angel in my tank. Any suggestions, the tank is sps

I wouldn't reccomend it. I think a larger tank would be better suited. What other fish are in the tank currently?

ick on my regal what to do can anyone help in this madness?
That's tough. How long have you had it? is it eating? The more info you can give the better. QT is an option but sometimes induces more stress and ends up badly. Any other fish showing symptoms? If the regal is eating you may be better off keeping it well fed and see how things go in the display. Also how bad are the visible symptoms? Few spots or full blown? Do you have a pic?

[Erniethisle]

I wouldn't reccomend it. I think a larger tank would be better suited. What other fish are in the tank currently?


That's tough. How long have you had it? is it eating? The more info you can give the better. QT is an option but sometimes induces more stress and ends up badly. Any other fish showing symptoms? If the regal is eating you may be better off keeping it well fed and see how things go in the display. Also how bad are the visible symptoms? Few spots or full blown? Do you have a pic?

i had a temp change and it went from a few spot to full blown in hours.. i just purchaced the guy couple day ago and he hasnt ate yet. ive tryed to let him get used to te tank but it seems my sohal is also been being alittle bully at times. i really dont want to remove him as this will cause more stress to him...

[Erniethisle]

anybody

[szwab]

IMO he's already stressed due to the parasite and the tang. Sounds like leaving him in the tank will not end well. I think your best bet is to remove him from the stressful enviroment andput him in a hospital tank and begin treating him. What have you been trying to feed him?

[NexDog]

Yes, buy a sensitive Regal Angel, don't QT and put it directly in with super-aggressive fish. This can only lead to success.

[Creetin]

Mine is eating pellets today with a vengence. After he cleared every small polyp zoa out he finnally is hungry for other food.
He didnt eat one bit in QT after almost 3 weeks i got worried and since he didnt show any disease or bugs he went into DT.
He leaves the larger paly type zoa's alone.
Now to hunt a healthy goldflake down.

[szwab]

He leaves the larger paly type zoa's alone.



Good to hear!

If he's anything like mine soon the palys will be gone. I just realized mine likes cladiella (I just realized it's gone :) )

[Creetin]

Thanks, Forgot to mention he is a grey belly varient, and still a little scared of me. He is starting to come out when he see's me because the fish know i am the sign that food is about to come. ;)
He started picking on the majestic angel, but has since stopped. He put the zebra swallowtail in place quickly. :)
Still would like a multibarred, brazil flamback, and goldflake angels to add.

He has not touched the xenia yet, But that could/should change.

[fishyheaven]

just wondering is it better to purchase a large regal like around 6-8 or smaller ones around 4? which one will adapt better to a tank life? and will that have any effect on how "reef safe" they can be?

[szwab]

Don't think that will effect their food preference as fas being "reef safe"
IME my smaller on adapted much faster thatn the larger one. IIRC that is the consensus in general.

Mine were approx 5" and 3"

[eaglesrx]

I'm not sure if this has already been discussed. Would a regal nip at chalices or cyphastrea's? Is it all LPS that are at risk or only some? Thinking about a regal down the road. I'm on the fence about giving up my zoos. But, I can't give up my chalices!!

Thanks!!

[Creetin]

Probably and i would count on it so you know what youre getting into. Better off than you getting him and he does and now youre chalices are suffering and you getting rid of the fish.
No coral is safe from angels even sps feel the pinch by them eating polyps. IMO

[eaglesrx]

Probably and i would count on it so you know what youre getting into. Better off than you getting him and he does and now youre chalices are suffering and you getting rid of the fish.
No coral is safe from angels even sps feel the pinch by them eating polyps. IMO

Thanks for the info!!

[Danieltank]

Removed. Commercial links are not the purpose of this primer.

[Creetin]

Still doing good and has stopped eating the zoanthids. It now only eats pellets and mysis.
It hunts me down when i come to the tank. It's the apex angel in the tank.

[Danieltank]

Here is my yellow belly. Had it for about a month and it is eating Ocean Nutrition Angel Formula. However, that is the only thing she will eat.

[Creetin]

I would try to fatten it up. It looks pretty thin to me. Try soaking other foods in garlic. My regal loves stuff soaked in garlic now.

[Danieltank]

I think the lightning/shadows is doing her injustice. She is actually in pretty good shape

[Creetin]

Good to hear, It looks skinny from the pic from my end.

[Aqua Keepers]

Nice Daniel. Do you have more pics of your tank?

[Danieltank]

Here is a few more

[BEN BOGDAN]

Nice looking tank and Regal! That's good that your regal is eating the angel formula. I have one that is doing the same but only been here 5 days. He has eaten a few mysis and a little flake also. I had a regal years ago that was doing great for 5 months then stopped eating and died. Good luck with it!

[eaglesrx]

Here is a few more

just curious, does your regal nip at any of your corals? looks like you have a lot of softies and lps.

thanks!

[Danieltank]

The only coral that it takes interest in is an open brain (trachyphyllia), but not anything bad. The coral is still thriving

[Creetin]

Well mine has stopped nipping at corals but i have been keeping the tank well fed with an addition of an achilles.
He is eating flake,pellet,nori, and frozen angel formula. He is nice and plump. :)

[Tracey2]

This is the second time now that I have tried a regal angel, the first one wouldn't eat, so I made sure the second one was eating in the store, he prefers flakes. He has been in my tank now for almost 2 weeks. He was doing a little head shaking so I dosed my tank with half dose of prazipro for gill flukes, this seemed to help him and he even started eating mysis. I have been doing 5-10g water change a day because my first regal died right after a water change, I have been very careful to not change anything drastically. Yesterday I decided to turn the skimmer on and remove the prazipro and this morning my regal is hiding and sitting nose down which is also what the first regal did before dying. Can anyone tell me, am I doing something wrong? Are regals very sensative to something I might be doing in my water changes? What makes a fish sit nose down?

[szwab]

What size is the you Display. The 5-10 gallon water changes are not doing much if your tank is of significant size. If you can soak the food in prazi and it'll eat it that is a good way to administer it as well. Have you tested your water recently? What are the parameters? Other than the head shake is it looking healthy? Nice and fat or thin?

[Tracey2]

He is about 2.5 inches and fat, my DT is 180 so I am changing about 50g a week. Water reads Amonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 0, Phos. below .25 almost undectable, Calcium 400. I just switched kh to a seachem test and its reading 2, not sure what that means, I used ot use and api kit and it was about 9, I think my kh is reading a little low now with the seachem test kit. I will try to soak the food in prazi, not sure he is eating now though. I just cant believe it he looked so healthy and was eating great until I turned my skimmer back on and did a 10g water change which couldn't have changed the water perimeters. I think its gill flukes.

[szwab]

How long was the skimmer off and was there water in it that may have become stagnant then pumped back into the display?

By doing the small water changes yes you are changing 50 gallons per week but the effect they are having is reduced significantly when you look at the percentage of old water bing pulled out to new being put in. For example a 50 gallon water change on a 180 is approx a 30% water change where as a 5 gallon water change is roughly 5% with each additional change you are also removing the new water from the previous changes which reduces the total amount of old water changed.

What's your specfic gravity, temp and ph at and is the ph stable or do you have swings throughout the day?

[szwab]

If you believe it's gill flukes you may want to try a fresh water dip. that would be a quick fix. I dipped my regal when I got it. t's scary to do but effective if done properly.

[Tracey2]

Thanks for your help, I never thought of the skimmer having stagnant water, it was off for 3 days. I know what you are saying about my water changes but my last regal died right after a water change so I have been a bit nervous about changing more than 10g at a time, I did think this would be a temporary thing just until she was really settled in and then I would go back to 10-20% a week. Salinity is 1.025, ph 8.2, temp is 79, my ph might fluctuate a little, I do have a light over my sump at night.

Today I dosed again with prazipro and shut off the skimmer and tonight she came out of hiding so maybe I am just not treating her long enough, if she has flukes how long does it take for the prazipro to get rid of them? She seems to improve within a day of dosing prazipro. I will freshwater dip as a last resort. I also soaked mysis and flakes in prazi but I'm not sure if she ate any or not.

[Creetin]

Good luck! Its scary to not know for sure whats going on with them. Freshwater dips are good treatments, I use malichite green/methylene blue dips on all new fish.

[theisdept]

I've seen fresh garlic squeezed through a press boost appetite and immunity quite a bit.

[Finsky]

I have had an Indo-Pacific Regal about 3 1/2" for one year and three months. It devoured my mushroom coral drilling down from the top center like eating cake. It ate my $35 zoanthids I added as an experiment like candy. It does not touch my Six Aussie Lobed Brain corals, seven goinioporas, one alveopora, two red rose bubble tip anemones, and toxic palythoa polyp rocks.

[szwab]

Have a pic by chance?

At least you know what you can feed it if needed :)

Wish mine would eat mushrooms. I have some that are out of control.

[Finsky]

Here it is!

[szwab]

lol
In my tank thos palys would be history :D

[vpower]

Nice pictures of probably one of the nicest fish!
Has anyone tried 2 pygoplites in the same tank? Any things to look out for?
I`m most likely going to try 2 of them in jan/feb.

[szwab]

I have two of regals in mine along with a flameback. No issues and it's been almost a year with them all together. In my case by chance the largest of the 3 was added last.

[vpower]

I have two of regals in mine along with a flameback. No issues and it's been almost a year with them all together. In my case by chance the largest of the 3 was added last.

Sounds good :-) Do you know if its possible to see which is male and female?

[Outerbank]

Feeding,

Mine is one month old. I still have it in the QT. It seems to really like PE mysis, especially the tail part. I thaw the PE mysis, then cut off the meaty tail, cut the tail part in half, and feed this part. It consumes the tail pieces right away. It often ignores the legs and heads of the PE mysis.

[Finsky]

What is "PE" mysis?

[Nemo Niblets]

http://www.mysis.com/

[davelin315]

What is "PE" mysis?

Piscine Energetics.

They are freshwater mysis that are frozen whole and have the heads intact for the most part so the fish can see the eyes and this can trigger a feeding response. They are great as far as feeding is concerned, but I always wonder how they can be so good for fish if they're a freshwater shrimp, versus mysids which are saltwater (or at least that's my understanding).

[maddog2002]

Last weekend, I bought a red sea regal which already eat blood worms in store. After hours she was put in my tank, She start to eat blood worms! Today she start to eat Formula two small Pellet!

[Finsky]

Good sign eating pellets! Also, the blood worms. It sounds like it would eat a various diet of flake, freeze dried, frozen, fresh seafood.

[maddog2002]

Yes. it's good sign less than week start to eat pellets. Hopeful I can keep her happy!

[szwab]

Even when accepting pellets or flake remember to offer a varied diet.

[Finsky]

I agree with a varied diet. I used to feed my two red rose anemones chopped clams and then the grocery store could not get them. I called around and found a grocery store which gets me fresh frozen razor clams for $15/lb. I cut them up in 1/4 to 1/2 inch sizes and feed the anemones. I usually have extra and than I cut the thawed clams in to bite size pieces and I try to make sure the Regal gets a good quantity of this fresh seafood. While I was waiting for my recent order of two pounds of razor clam, I purchased a pound each of small scallops and small shrimp. I keep all in the freezer and cut off a chunk and thaw before feeding.

I always try to offer a varied diet for all my fish and it really seems to pay off with healthy looking and acting fish.

[rgentry123]

i ordered a regal and it should here for me on tuesday, i have a plan of sorts and wanted to run it by the members on this board just so i can make sure i am doing everything correctly. i plan to start it off in a 30 gallon qt tank, and keep it in there until i can get it eating really well. im going to be taking some of the LR from my DT and put in the QT so that the regal has rocks to eat off of while in trying to get it accustomed to prepared foods. My DT tank size is 110 gallons and the regal im getting is going to be in the 3" range. im thinking that if i cant get it eating prepared foods off the bat i was going to rubber band some nori sheets to the rock and see if that works. has anyone ever tried that? any thoughts or wisdom either on my plan or anything else i should be doing when i get it in? oh, and unfortunately it is not going to be a red sea regal so i know im already starting with the cards stacked against me :( thanks for any replies or help!

[Finsky]

Hello:

It is too soon to despair.

I have a three year old 3 1/2" inch Indo-Pacific Regal. Upon receipt of the angel I would start trying freeze dried mysis and brine shrimp soaked in Selcon in a 1/4 cup with water (along with red seaweed, etc.) twice a week if you have it. Frozen food once or twice a week if possible. I would cut up softer (for the softer angel mouth) red seaweed with scissors into bite sized pieces or use Sea Veggies by Two Little Fishes.

[rgentry123]

ok sounds good. Do you think I should qt or just put the regal in the dt?

[Finsky]

Convential wisdom say, "ALWAYS".

There I went "flying in the face of conventionaly wisdom with a 120 reef taking up all the room in a one bedroom apartment.

I looked at my aquarium log in Excel with windows explorer and I mistated how long my Regal has been in the tank.

08/24/08 Regal Angelfish - 3 1/12"
02/07/09 Blue Girdled Angelfish - 3 1/12"
11/01/09 Lamark Angelfish - 2"

Call it dumb luck, all three angels are doing well. I tried to get my fish from the best source possible and keep my DT as clean and healthy as possible.

[szwab]

Seems like more and more angels and larger fish are coming in with flukes. If you choose not to QT I would at a minimum look them over real well. (not through the plastic bag) I personally feel that with regals the sooner they get stable and in the display the better. It just sucks to infect a healthy tank with a new addition.(I think it's happened to allof us at some point). As far as the food goes I would try to have a large variey on hand and be prepared to do more water changes than normal since you'll be feeding quite a bit that doesn't get eaten etc. To this day one of mine won't eat mysis. Feeding is really hit or miss. They seem to have to learn to eat from the water column. IME food was excepted first when attached to something (LR) then eventually from the water coulmn. Clam on the half shell, scallops were the first foods accepted then a prepared frozen clam mixture and nori later on. flake and pellets last. Had good luck with cylopeze wafers (which are really flakes).
HTH

[Finsky]

rgentry123:

I agree with the more water changes and hit or miss as well as trying different things. With dispersion from a feeding station the fish can eat from the outer edges until they get more confidence and I have done this many times with over feeding and more water changes to help a new arrival.

I was worried when I read the "Red Sea vs Indo-Pacific" Regal generalization. I would not start thinking I am "only" getting an "Indo-Pacific" Regal and not the "better" and "hardier" Red Sea Regal. My Indo-Pacific Regal can hold his own and is not bothered by anybody. If I were you I would look forward to getting "my" Regal and feeding it through the "water column" within the first few days after it acclimates to the tank. I think everything can go well with your Regal if it has enough live rock to hide and pick especially if there is a bully which will prevent it from feeding(bullying can happen at a feeding station although this allows for eventual food dispursement and maybe even more at a piece of seaweed tied to one spot where the food cannot disperse and give the newcomer a better chance of getting soom food unmolested). I tried the tying seaweed and seaweed clips early on and I have never liked it as eventually the seaweed gets pulled loose by my tangs, angels, etc. and floating into the filter intakes by my experience although to each their own. I spend the time to cut up my seaweed in bite size pieces which is especially helpful to the Regal as it has a rather small beak like mouth although mine can grab hold of a smallish flake of sea weed and munch on it until it has crumbled it into it mouth.

From my experience, the one feeding station practice has worked for my tank although I may disperse a bit of the food through out the tank if I think it will help a new fish.

Fish which are now coming to the feeding station on the back right center of my tank:

02/07/07 Powder Blue Tang - 4 1/2"
11/28/07 Yellow bellied regal blue tang - 5"
10/23/07 Purple tang - 4"
08/08/06 Sailfin Tang - 5"
06/13/09 Vlamingii Tang - 4 1/2"

02/07/09 Blue Girdled Angelfish - 3 1/12"
08/24/08 Regal Angelfish - 3 1/12"
11/01/09 Lamark Angelfish - 2"

12/07/06 Pair Clarkii Clownfish
10/01/06 Pair Cinnamon Clownfish(breeding)
02/27/08 Six Yellow Tailed Blue Damsels
02/27/08 Five Four Striped Damsels
04/19/09 One black mouth Damsel

09/17/09 two six lined Wrasses

Oooops, the following also get flake food, brine shrip, liquid zooplankton and the anemones also get fresh sea food as well as the fish.

12/01/06 Liverock - total 150 pounds

05/05/07 Pineapple Brain coral LPS coral
03/17/07 encrusting brain coral LPS coral
11/01/08 Red Lobophyllia Brain LPS coral
05/14/09 Purple Aussie Lobed Brain Coral
05/14/09 Rose Pink Aussie Lobed Brain Coral
08/04/09 Red, Blue, Green Aussie Lobed Brain Coral
08/04/09 Green/pink Aussie Lobed Brain Coral
07/31/09 Lavender/Green Aussie Lobed Brain Coral

03/15/09 Goniopora - green
04/22/09 Goniopora - orange/red
06/10/09 Gonipora - pink
07/31/09 Gonipora - orange
08/31/09 Goniopora - Aussie green/purple
09/16/09 Gonipora - maroon
10/16/09 Gonipora - dark purple

08/19/09 Alveopora - pink


11/19/07 brown palyoa button corals
11/26/07 green palyoa button corals

09/18/08 red rose bubble tipped anemone
10/01/09 red rose bubble tipped anemone

This is "your" Regal and I hope you are looking forward to getting it on Tuesday.

Good luck!

[rgentry123]

okay, so im trying to prepare for my regals arrival tomorrow and getting nervous, im still on the fence between whether to put him in the QT or whether to go in the DT, the only real reason i would put it in QT is not for disease control but so that he can start eating without any competition for food. i appreciate all of the help and i definately am extremely happy that i am getting a regal, i only prefer a red sea just becuase they are supposed to be a little hardier than the indo pacific.

szwab, the clams and mussels that you started your regal on, were they purchased at the grocery store? i want to be as prepared as possible and have as much on hand as i can to ensure that my little has a long and happy life.

finsky, if i am reading your post right you had a powder blue and a purple tang in your tank before you added the regal, did you see any issues with aggression? thanks!

[Finsky]

okay, so im trying to prepare for my regals arrival tomorrow and getting nervous, im still on the fence between whether to put him in the QT or whether to go in the DT, the only real reason i would put it in QT is not for disease control but so that he can start eating without any competition for food. i appreciate all of the help and i definately am extremely happy that i am getting a regal, i only prefer a red sea just becuase they are supposed to be a little hardier than the indo pacific.

szwab, the clams and mussels that you started your regal on, were they purchased at the grocery store? i want to be as prepared as possible and have as much on hand as i can to ensure that my little has a long and happy life.

finsky, if i am reading your post right you had a powder blue and a purple tang in your tank before you added the regal, did you see any issues with aggression? thanks!

If you really have a bad feeling there might be some aggression you could go to the LFS and get yourself a school of five green Chromis damsels as a dither species, fish to distract other fish from aggression, to put in at the same time as your Regal. I personally have five four striped damsels, six yellow tailed damsels, and one Blackmouth Damsel.

Actually, no aggression to speak of from any of the tangs. My Regal went in and out of the live rock until it became comfortable with his tankmates which did not take long. It started eating pretty much out of the gate in the the DT from food floating in the water column. I have to say with my fish community all is well and the Regal got along with the Majestic pretty much with no problems as if they were best buddies. Of course they were busy eating my mushrooms and toadstool coral.:hmm3:

I did want a Red Sea to begin with although there was none available when I was ready to put one in the tank. I am now as happy as I can be with my Regal.

[szwab]

Yes clams were from the grocery store. Mine were in mesh bags in the seafood section they were live but I froze them obce I got home. Scallops were fresh chopped up but again frozen at home. I would soften them up a bit with water then use a knofe and shave some off to feed. (trying to limit waste) or I would rubberband the to live rock susended in the tank on fishing line. Made it easy to bring in and out and feed in different areas of the tank. I was really concerned about polluting the water. I'd aslo feed the fish on one side then target the regal on the other side of th tank. HTH and good luck. Remember patieace, don't panic snf no idea is a bad one. Everything is worth trying if it gets em eating :)

[rgentry123]

so i just got home and checked for my regal and found, no regal :confused: . i checked fedex's website and found that my regal is in INDIANA. not my DOORSTEP. i am furious. i'm bummed to say the least as i know this is going to cut the likelihood of survival pretty sharply. it may not even come to me alive at all. still hoping for the best but its beginning to dwindle

[Outerbank]

so i just got home and checked for my regal and found, no regal :confused: . i checked fedex's website and found that my regal is in INDIANA. not my DOORSTEP. i am furious. i'm bummed to say the least as i know this is going to cut the likelihood of survival pretty sharply. it may not even come to me alive at all. still hoping for the best but its beginning to dwindle

Sorry to hear this. The weather sucks and can cause delays. I hope the best for you and your fish.

[rgentry123]

you and me both. i will get it at 8:30am tomorrow and try and acclimate it. i just hope it hasnt been sitting around somewhere in 30 degree weather.

[szwab]

Good Luck, I feel for you. Really sucks when thing are out of your control.

[maddog2002]

Good luck

[LKGRenegade22]

Well I just found out the Regal I put on a deposit on didn't make it. I was stoked about his arrival too. Guess I have to find another one now. :(

[szwab]

Sshame it didn't make but for you it was probably for the best.

[rgentry123]

well im off...hopefully he's not an icecube!

[szwab]

Hopefully all turned out well any updates?

[rgentry123]

sorry for not getting back but unfortunately i dont have any good news to report :( poor little guy was doa. when i got him the water temp was probably in the low 50s. it really makes me sick because i checked him out and he was a very plump and healthy looking little angel. small too, only about 3". little guy still had his eyespot. it's totally bummed me out the entire day. it sucks cause he didnt have to die and from the way he looked anyway he had already been pretty well and probably would have acclimated to the tank life fairly well. oh well. hard to tell from looking at a dead fish i suppose. the thing that really tops it all off though? the woman who was at the fedex location when i went to pick him up this morning told me that the plane that was bringing my little guy in got stuck due to some icy weather and packages were delayed while being boarded onto the plane. i asked if this meant that all the packages were left outside while they waiting for the weather to clear up, you know what she says? "probably so" she then picked up the box and read it and said "oohhh a little fishy! i sure hope he's an arctic fish with the weather he was stuck in!" it took every ounce of strength to not leg drop this woman sitting at the counter. real icing on the cake. hope everyone else is having a good day :uzi:

[teog]

Well I bought my regal today. Unfortunetly I dont pick him up until Tuesday. We have a local reef store that is going out of business and I bought there red sea regal. It has been in there display tank for over 2 yrs. He is large, fat and eats everything.

I was told he eats zoos, but leave sps and clams alone. Not a big loss for me since Im not a big zoo fan. I do have a couple in my tank now, but Id rather have the regal instead of them. Ill post pics once I get him.

[Finsky]

well im off...hopefully he's not an icecube!

It really think is sucks your fish did not make it. Hopefully you can try again with another Regal:reading:

[rgentry123]

It really think is sucks your fish did not make it. Hopefully you can try again with another Regal:reading:


well, i have tried again and my new regal has come in, he's about 4" and i go him on friday and so far not eating anything yet. i have tried clam on a half shell as well as pe mysis soaked in garlic, im going to try an angel formula tomorrow and se if that works, any other ideas or thoughts on prompting a feeding response?

[flameangel88]

I wouldn't worry about the Regal not eating yet as it may still be stressed from shipping. I would just let it be for 2 days and keep the lighting at minimal for the most part. I've one recently that took 26 days to even just nip and spit brine. It started to develop a small bulge on one side and missing a small chunk on the anus area which I treated 2 rounds of Prazi and Maracyn 2 and by the 3rd day on the 2nd round of Prazi the Regal started nipping on food and the bump on the side was gone. It's been eating pellets since. I also treated with Cupramine before it went into the DT.

My recommendation is to feed small food size such as enriched brine or Arti-pods before going with PE Mysis.

GL with your Regal!

[Finsky]

I would try the dispersal method with good food and let them have at least five minutes worth of food around the tank for a new fish.

I have a 3 1/2" Regal Angel in the tank for a year and a half which started eating with this approach.

Mixture of various frozen foods, freeze dried mysis and brine shrimp mixed with seaweed pieces and "Sea Veggies" in a 1/4 measuring cup with Selcon and some aquarium water. I then turn the my protein skimmer and two 3,250 gph Hydor 8 water pumps off and dip the measuring cup with the food into the water. The fish start to eat it right out of the measuring cup before I empty it into the tank and it disperses which gives everybody a chance of tasting and/or smelling some food. This dispersal method for a few days may require an extra water change or not depending on how much and how often you try it.

Drs. F & S lists the Regal Angel as well as the Clown Tang as "expert only" level in a range from easy, moderate, difficult, and expert only.

I have just received a 4" Clown Tang on Friday evening and tried my dispersal feeding approach Saturday evening before the Clown had a chance to come out of its back right corner territory and join the Powder Blue, Vlamingi, Purple, Sailfin, and Yellow Bellied Regal tangs. It did swim out and at least sniffed some food which is approaching my goal to get a "new" fish interested and eating. This morning before the lights turned on the Clown tang was swimming around with the other tangs with no aggression shown.

I hope it will join the other tangs and my Regal, Blue Girdled, Lamark, and Red Striped Dwarf Angels for dinner tonight!

P.S. I love those Flame Angels although I have never had success with acclimating one for whatever reason so I am trying a Red Striped Dwarf which came with the Clown.

[mikid]

third day in tank and second day of feeding,see it picking at the rocks but still doesnt join the others feeding yet,well see.............mike:o

[szwab]

third day in tank and second day of feeding,see it picking at the rocks but still doesnt join the others feeding yet,well see.............mike:o


Have a pic by chance? :D

[mikid]

dont have a good enough camera.....

[Finsky]

I would try as many different types of food as possible to see what it will eat. Eventually, it may start eating everything you put into the tank. Mine likes the small 1/8" cutup pieces of razor clam I feed to the fish after I feed larger 1/2" chunks to my two red rose bubble tip anemones. The longest one of my new fish ever went before it started eating with the community was around two weeks.

I received a pack of Instant Ocean's new type of food as a sales introduction with my Clown tang. It comes in the plastic housing like frozen food only it has multiple small 1/2 inch squares of foi froml which you tear off the corner and squeeze out the food like toothpaste into the aquarium. It stays togeather whatever size piece you squeeze out as it is not made up like frozen food which has a lot of
water. It does not require refrigeration. Really cool and something to think about for future feeding.

[szwab]

Curious does it contain gelatin? assuming it has a list of ingredients.

[Finsky]

Curious does it contain gelatin? assuming it has a list of ingredients.

Interesting about the gelatin as my father developed a serious allergy to this in his 70's and anything containing it would make his throat constrict. I think he carries an EPI Pen?

It comes in about six different varieties such as Herbivora, Krill, Brine Shrimp, Omnivore at Drs Foster and Smith Web site on sale at the moment.

My free Marine Blend "Omnivore" lists Guaranteed Analysis:

Min. Crude Protein 10.0%
Min. Crude Fat 1.5%
Min. Crude Fiber 1.0%
Max. Moisture 85.0%
Min. Phosphorus .05%
Min. Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) 266 MG/KG

They do give the a lot longer list under INGREDIENTS including different vitamins, fish meal, brine shrimp, krill, fish oil, etc. I don't have time to write them all. Soy Protein Isolate, wheat gluten, xanthan gum, guar gum are the ones which might hold it togeather. I suppose they have some preservatives listed with long names at the end which probably are used in human food?

[teog]

Well here is the regal I finally brought home. He was in a coral display tank at a LFS that went out of business. They had him in there tank for over 2yrs.

The owner stated he is from the indian ocean. He is huge! Biggest fish in the tank now. He is fat and healthy!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/teog/DSC01164.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/teog/DSC01163.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/teog/DSC01164.jpg

[Tracey2]

He's beautiful, whats he eating

[teog]

I just put him in this afternoon so nothing yet. Im about to give them there dinner. So im going to do some PE mysis and red lifeline frozen cubes. This is the food he has been eating at the LFS he has been at

[Finsky]

This is a healthy looking Regal. How many inches long is he? From the picture it is hard to tell. He looks like my healthy 3 1/2 inch Regal?:bounce1:

[mikid]

nice regal there......good news for me, my baby regal(1 1/4) has been in the tank picking for 5 days, today he for the first time ate pe-mysis,big yea...:beer:....so now i can relax....and let it grow...........

[mikid]

p.s.........a fellow reefer said he would love to take some pictures for me...so ill take him up on it...as soon as i can....

[teog]

He is 8 inches or so. He looks small in the pics, but he is the biggest Ive seen. He did eat some PE mysis tonight. So not to bad for being in the tank only 7 hours.

[Finsky]

That is a whopper and its looking healthy and happy!

I placed each Hydor 8 (3,250 gph) about six inches under the water's surface and a couple inches in from the front glass. The one on the left end aims slightly upward along the front half of the tank and the one on the right end aims slightly upward to between the back center to back left corner of the tank. The pumps give higher currents in the upper portion of the tank although my six gonioporas along the front substrate still have enough circulation for their polyps to sway back and forth. My Regal Angel likes to swim against the current in directly in front of the left circulation pump and then ride with its current quickly to the opposite end. I have other fish which do the same thing. There are times when three or four tangs and my Regal and Majestic Angels will be lined up along the front of the tank just above the substrate in single file swimming in place towards the left end against the current (This really looks kind of amusing to see). I cannot say enough about these propellar pumps as cost effective water circulation. Drs Foster and Smith has lowered their price to just under a $100 although the sales price was about $130 each when I purchased them months ago :-(. Two 3,250 gph circulation pumps sounded like alot of current for a 120 when I made the decision to go with them. It was not long after putting them both into action that I saw the total tank circulation they could provide around my 150 pounds of live rock and the healthy water movement for my fish (Regal Angel included), corals, and anemones. It gave my tank more coral reef like currents which I never had experienced with my fresh water aquariums.

[Tracey2]

Hey guys, can a regal survive ich? I have had her for a month she was eating everything but prefers flakes, the last couple of days she seems finicky and will only eat flakes. I noticed ich on a tang in the tank and started treating with Kent RXP, a week later the ich is on everyone and much worse. I also noticed head shaking and even though I had previously treated with prazi I decided to treat again. So right now fish are being treated with prazi in the DT but it looks like the ich might be more of the problem. Should I continue to watch as long as they eat or pull them now before it gets worse? I love this regal and don't want to make the wrong decision.

[Finsky]

Hey guys, can a regal survive ich? I have had her for a month she was eating everything but prefers flakes, the last couple of days she seems finicky and will only eat flakes. I noticed ich on a tang in the tank and started treating with Kent RXP, a week later the ich is on everyone and much worse. I also noticed head shaking and even though I had previously treated with prazi I decided to treat again. So right now fish are being treated with prazi in the DT but it looks like the ich might be more of the problem. Should I continue to watch as long as they eat or pull them now before it gets worse? I love this regal and don't want to make the wrong decision.

I have not had any ICH problems for years with a 3 1/2 year old tank. I have six tangs including a Clown, a Regal and Majestic Angel. I keep my aquarium temperature around 80 although temperarily raising to 84 degrees for a day and then dropping slowly slowly over a few days to around 80 might work. I have noticed a rare occasion spot on a pectoral fin which clears up within a day or two.

This has been my experience and I would not want you to follow if it is going to cause you problems although it has worked for me?

[Tracey2]

Well last night the regal looked covered in ich and was breathing heavy, I almost pulled the tank apart and set up a hospital tank but decided to wait until this morning, she now seems to just have a few spots and is eating although not as aggessively as she used to eat. Still undecided about how to treat. My skimmer is off and the tank is being treated with prazipro right now for gill flukes. Any advise is appreciated.

[teog]

Sar far the regal has eaten PE mysis, and green and red lifeline frozen fish food. He is a good eater. Still a ittle shy when I feed. He waits until I step away from the tank to start eating. But non the less, he is eating.


Tracey2- Sorry about the ich problem your having. I havent had visible ich in years. But when I first started in fish it seemed any time I put up a quick make shift quarentine tank the fish never made it.

Most experts say ich is alwats present in a aquarium. But as long as your fish are healthy, and your system is established with correct water quality you would never sea it visible or your fish recover quickly.

If you do a search you will see most prefer hyposalinity for ich problems. Good luck with your fish.

[Kieth71]

Actually no experts say ich is always present in tanks..Make shift last minute qt's with constant ammonia problems can kill a fish to though so if you want to wait and set up a qt and get it cycled then treat that might be a better option.

[szwab]

There are lots of varying opions regarding Ich. Since it's not Regal specific you would probably be better off searching and posting in the Fish Disease Treatment Forum. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=87

There's also a really nice Article by Steven Pro http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=87

FWIW many times hospital tanks are not set up properly which leads to more issues and can sometimes be more detrimental than helpful.

[teog]

Actually no experts say ich is always present in tanks..Make shift last minute qt's with constant ammonia problems can kill a fish to though so if you want to wait and set up a qt and get it cycled then treat that might be a better option.

Sure they do. Just type marine ich into google and see what you get. As mentiontioned there are many opinions about the life cycle of ich.

As long as a persons introduces new fish in there tank, there is potential to reinvite ich back in the system. That is why most have established quarentine tanks, and utilize them prior to adding new fish into there display tanks.

Here is some good reading about it. However this aurther does not believe in ich always being present.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-10/sp/feature/index.php

Here is a statement from Bob Fener at wetwebmedia about crypt free systems.

There are such things, but unless the aquarist is diligent in altogether excluding these parasites through quarantine, treatment outside their main displays, most aquariums will instead host latent infestations... with discernible populations of Cryptocaryon coming to be through environmental challenge/s to their fishes. In actual fact cysts of Cryptocaryon can stay viable for a few to several months, hence ultraviolet sterilization, use of biological cleaners, allowing systems to go fallow... only decreases the number and virulence of these parasites. Once in a system, the system itself is infested and the only practical means of control becomes providing an optimized and stable environment.

[Finsky]

This is your tank and you have to make the tough call.

I re-iterate. With the entire tank's fish showing ich I would take the temperature up to at least 84 until I see some change if any(This would be the fastest way to combat the ich) in a display tank. Also, I have never medicated in my 20 years of aquarium husbandry fresh or salt. I have heard ich is in all systems as well and stressed fish will come down with it? Yes, you could try to sterilize your tank with a UV sterilizer although I do not believe in using these for my personal tanks. Going natural has always been my method. Too each there own.

[Tracey2]

Thank you guys for your help. My regal is still eating flakes, she is a fighter but lots of ich in the tank.

[mikid]

now has been eating pe-mysis and mircocrabs......doing good so far.....

[teog]

now has been eating pe-mysis and mircocrabs......doing good so far.....

Thats great to hear!

Mine has eaten everything Ibe put in the tank, including prime reef flakes and pellet. Evem though it was already in a tank for a while, I am still nervous about his eating habits.

[mikid]

yes, i agree with that!....................:thumbsup:

[Argentiner]

Just wanted to share a pic of my regal. Had her for almost a year now. Eats everything, and nips and most things too. Good thing she's my fav fish.

http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv268/Argentiner/IMG_00654499.jpg

[Finsky]

A very nice Regal indeed.

Mine has a small white streak of skin color just above its both of its eyes? It is not an infection, just a "blemish" of white. The white skin appears healthy.

It has had them since I can remember and I have had it since 8/2008.

All its other color complexions are perfect and all its behaviors are healthy including skimming, socializing with other tank inhabitants and it does not have a problem with eating including the Tuesdays and Thursdays when I soak the food in Selcon?

Could this be a complexion issue specific to my particular 3 /12 inch Regal? Does its Indo-Pacific origin have anything to do with these white markings??????

[dviper150]

I just bought a regal angel and an emperor from bluezooaquatics 3 days ago and the regal still hasn't started eating. The emperor eats anything I put in the tank. I offered it, mysis, algae sheets, formula 1 and even the sample food that bluezooaquatics gives with each of their shipments that is suppose to make the fish go crazy over it but still no luck.

I recently bought garlic and vitachem and mixed that with the foods but still no nibble. Is this normal for it? How can I get it to eat? What food will entice it to start eating?
Thanks for the help!!

[RegalAngel]

I just bought a regal angel and an emperor from bluezooaquatics 3 days ago and the regal still hasn't started eating. The emperor eats anything I put in the tank. I offered it, mysis, algae sheets, formula 1 and even the sample food that bluezooaquatics gives with each of their shipments that is suppose to make the fish go crazy over it but still no luck.

I recently bought garlic and vitachem and mixed that with the foods but still no nibble. Is this normal for it? How can I get it to eat? What food will entice it to start eating?
Thanks for the help!!


This is a fact of life for Regal Angels as many have attested to on these forums. I also purchased a 5.5" Regal Angel about 2 months ago from BZA and it also will not eat except for an occassional live worm, freeze dried tubifex, but not enough to maintain its fat healthy condition that it arrived in. Unfortunately, it is now down to skin/skelton and will only last another few days. Some say the Red Sea Regals do better with captive foods?
Good luck as I tried all types of foods but do not have any sponges to feed. I believe was hooked on crustaceans in its natural environment, and never was able to adapt.

[rgentry123]

try clams on a half shell. that will at least get him eating something. that is a good food to try and get them started on eating. you just have to try and keep feeding differant types of foods.

[dviper150]

Thanks, I will try some clams. By the way, do clams expire? I bought 2 clams about a month ago and put them in the fridge instead of the freezer and I took them out today to try it out and they smelled really bad so I ended up throwing them away. I will go buy some fresh ones tomorrow.

[rgentry123]

2 best ways to tell if they are good is obviously smell, if they smell dead they probably are and if the the clam is open. if it is sealed tightly it should still be good. after you get it eating the clams pretty well you can start to try weaning him onto prepared foods but get him eating SOMTHING first. then try the prepared foods. i just went through all of this recently and mine is just now really staarting to take prepared foods after about 3 weeks.