Hybrid Clowns

[Chelsey]

I am looking for any and all hybrid clown pics. I've been trying to find one in particular of an ocellaris or true perc and a maroon cross, but I think that all hybrids look cool. Post away!

[StephenS]

There have been pics posted. Ocellaris and true percs have a lot of misbaring problems if I am not mistaken. I am wondering what a black ocellaris and an orange one would produce.

[Dlckwood]

I believe a cross between a black and an orange ocellaris produces a mix of about 50% of each. I am a little board now so I will look for those hybrid pictures.
DLCKWOOD:p

[Dlckwood]

Here is a picture of a false percula and a GSM Clown
http://www.proaquatix.com/images/fish/amphiprion_ocellaris_x_p_02.jpg
DLCKWOOD:p

[Chelsey]

Crazy! I'd love to see more pics!

[oama]

Well, RC dumped all the pics from the old posts.

You can try PMing jfrank100 for pics of his OCLxGSM offspring.

Here's a pic from him (and all the credit for it)

#$@^%$@&@$ OK let me see if I can upload it to my gallery... BBS

[oama]

Well, lets try this
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/34216GSMxOCL1_t.jpg

Geez...I ain't got this new pic posting thing down yet. Way too small!

[oama]

third try....
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/34216Clownfish.JPG

[eco-tropic]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/7255hybrid2.jpg

While not quite what you were looking for this is a hybrid between sandaracinos and perideraion.

[bobbyp]

Hey Chesley!!!! ya hybrid are pretty cool, but do they have the same breeding problems, like a mule-from a horse and a donkey??
hey David L. what kind of anemone or coral is in that pic w/ the GSM hybrid clowns????never seen anything like that, almost looks fake!!

[Dlckwood]

From the post I took it from it is fake. Kind of cool looking though.
DLCKWOOD:p

[bobbyp]

yea, would be cool if it was a anemone...the rbta craze would be down the drain...

[bobbyp]

so does any1 know the answer the my Q??? do they have the same breeding problems, like a mule-from a horse and a donkey??

[Chelsey]

I would assume that they do, but only because all hybrids that I know of are like that with the exception of wolf-dog. Perhaps if they are closely related there aren't those problems.

[skyfireblaze]

What do you mean by breeding problems? If you're wondering if the hybrid offspring will be sterile (like a mule), then I believe the answer is no - they will be fertile and capable of producing offspring of their own. There are a few "species" of clownfish that are thought to be hybrids themselves. IIRC, Wilkerson's clownfish book has a few paragraphs or so stating that clownfish hybrids are fertile. I'll have to try to find the page(s) after work. Hope this answers your ?.

[oama]

Fish hybrids are quite able to reproduce.

[M0oN]

In general with hybrids a certain percentage of males will come out sterile, I don't know if this is true with salt water fish since they're able to change their sex at will...

In fresh water fish for example blood parrots are sterile as well as flower horn...

[Dlckwood]

I think the main question is because ocellaris clowns are Amphiprion and GSM clowns are Premnas.
DLCKWOOD:p

[M0oN]

Originally posted by Dlckwood
I think the main question is because ocellaris clowns are Amphiprion and GSM clowns are Premnas.
DLCKWOOD:p

Well it's obviously different from genus to genus but in fresh water convict cichlids will mate with just about anything including fish up to 8 times their size. I'm sure it's entirely possible so long as aggression issue's from mating don't kill one or the other.

[bobbyp]

cool, yea answered my Q

[Chelsey]

I would like to see some black perc/false perc crosses, as well as true/false percs:D Not to be picky or anything...:p

[Luis A M]

Originally posted by Dlckwood
I think the main question is because ocellaris clowns are Amphiprion and GSM clowns are Premnas.
DLCKWOOD:p
Officially yes,but I am positive that maroons belong not only to the genus Amphiprion but also to the same species complex as ocellaris/percula.They are very similar in colour,pattern and shape.They all keep the oscillating swimming as adults.Just saw the hybrids at IMAC and they are perfect intermediates between both parent stocks.
I know many people will disagree but morphological taxonomy,i.e.establishing the relationship between species due to the presence or absence of some morphological trait(the cheek spine,in this case)is largely subjective and therefore subject to errors.
When Amphiprion will be reviewed using modern objective taxonomic tools,I bet that I´ll be proven to be right.

[traveller7]

Originally posted by M0oN
In general with hybrids a certain percentage of males will come out sterile, I don't know if this is true with salt water fish since they're able to change their sex at will...
fwiw: It is not a trait of all saltwater fish and there is little conclusive evidence to support a female to male change of clowns.

[MarinaP]

Originally posted by Luis A M
I am positive that maroons belong not only to the genus Amphiprion ...

During her presentation at the WAMAS symposium Dr. Fautin mentioned an indepth study being carried out at the U of Kansas to prove your point. :)

[MarinaP]

Originally posted by eco-tropic
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/7255hybrid2.jpg

While not quite what you were looking for this is a hybrid between sandaracinos and perideraion.

I saw this hybrid once at a WS that only deals with WC fish. Very cool.

[bobbyp]

awesome fish guys....

[Dlckwood]

Here is a very small picture but it is a cross between A true and a false percula.
http://home.ripway.com/2003-10/32128/fdf.JPG
DLCKWOOD

[bobbyp]

wow, looks like a lot of white on the body...very cool

[bobbyp]

instead of misbarred, kinda "overbarred"

[Chelsey]

I would love to be able to buy some of those! Does anyone know of a place?

[spencerx15]

http://www.proaquatix.com/images/fish/amphiprion_ocellaris_x_p_01.jpg

that is the biculeatus x ocellaris from the previous post (the one with the fake anemone)

http://www.proaquatix.com/speciesdetail.asp?GROUPID=200&ID=46

i am not sure where you can buy them, but proaquatix does sell their stuff. i saw their Coccoa clown (the above fish) at IMAC, looked alot like a maroon.

[Luis A M]

Originally posted by MarinaP
During her presentation at the WAMAS symposium Dr. Fautin mentioned an indepth study being carried out at the U of Kansas to prove your point. :)
Really?so I´m no nuts after all!
Marina,could you tell more?Something published or links?What is WAMAS?

[oama]

As fare as I know, the only reason the Maroons were placed in there own genus was because of the cheek spine, which made them unique from other clownfish.

Taxonomy is all about grouping like species.

[downset]

wow hybrids are so cool makes me want them!!

[Chelsey]

How about onyx/black ocell cross? Wouldn't that be awesome!

[Nano's Rock]

^^^

[ClownReef®]

Onyx x Maroons..(drools)..

[Nano's Rock]

How about an onyx percula crossed with the hybrid of a normal percula and an ocellaris? I’m sure someone has tried it.

[ClownReef®]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7186358#post7186358 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nano's Rock
How about an onyx percula crossed with the hybrid of a normal percula and an ocellaris? I’m sure someone has tried it.

That would be like mixing an AKC registered bulldog with a bulldog with no papers..

Onyx clowns are perculas..and you want to see a percula with pretty much another pecula??..

[gemini aquarius(t)]

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