Raising Sexy shrimp

[LisaP]

Has anybody been sucessful at raising Sexy shrimp to adulthood?

Regards

Lisa

[purplehaze]

Lisa,
I know a couple of people who raised them only with BBS. Their larval development took 19 days (fastest).
Good luck

[LisaP]

Thanks for the info. Have they posted any more details on the net that I can look up?

I find it amazing that something so small can eat baby brine from the word go, I thought that they'd need rotifers at the beginning for sure. :rolleyes:

Regards

Lisa

[purplehaze]

Hi Lisa,

I ´ll check and let you know ;)

[LisaP]

Many thanks!

Just in case anybody else is interested, here's what newly hatched Thor amboinensis look like. :D

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/thorzoea.jpg

Regards

Lisa

[purplehaze]

Yeah, they look really cool.
So are you going to raise them?
good luck

[Luis A M]

Congrats,Lisa,they´re really colorful for newly hatched larvae:)

Good pic,sessile eyes place them in Stage I (or Z1)

Tell us about the breeding set-up,how many adults,were they kept in a tank of their own,how you collected the larvae?

[LisaP]

I am giving it a try, the zoeae are 2.5 days old now. :D I only removed a small amount for this first attempt . There were so many to choose from as about 500 or more were released. How can such a small shrimp produce so many babies at one go? :eek2: It was totally mazing! I have about 20-25 with surprisingly no deaths (that I've found) up till now.

The adults are living in my nano tank, I have 3 in total. There is one that is bigger than the others and here she is 2 days before she released her offspring. It's hard to believe that she had over 500 eggs hidden in there. They share their home with a pair of (also spawning) Green banded gobies.

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexyeggs060405.jpg

It was easy to transfer a few of the babies by a simple scoop method using a cup, I tried to do it as carefully as possible to reduce the likelihood of damaging them. They are now living in a small tank containing rotifers, some other small unknown organism (probably ciliates) and a mixture of algae as I never imagined that they would be able to eat brine nauplii from the beginning.

If they are going to start dying off when can I expect it to happen?

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

Hi Lisa,again an awesome pic!.I am imagining things,or I can see some eggs among the 5th pair of legs?If so,they´re reddish as are the babies.How did you take the zoea´s shot?
I don´t know anything nor have read about Thor zoea raising.If they are so fast to settle,as Purplehaze says,you have a fair good chance to make it.Typically,larval shrimp die all the time,but peaking at molt time.The more you keep,the better your chances to have some making it.Next step is stalked eyes:Z2.Good luck!

[Luis A M]

I can even see the eyes and yolk of larvae within the eggs!:eek1:
Lisa,that was an award winning pic!:p
How are you keeping the larvae?

[LisaP]

:D

Those little eggs are way cool, and there were in excess of 500 hidden in there!

Here are a couple of larger, but slightly fuzzy, shots showing the eggs a bit better.

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/eggsclose2.jpg

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/eggsclose1.jpg

The larvae are being kept in a small rectangular tank with airstones providing the only water movement. It's not an ideal situation I know but that's all I have available at the moment. I was afraid that the air was bubbling a bit too fast but it seems to be OK so far, it may require a bit of tweaking in the future however.

For the average shrimp when does the first moult occur? I'm tempted to remove one of the zoea to have a look at it under the microscope to see if it has eyes on stalks now. They are almost 3 days old. :p

Btw the zoeae pictures were taken with the shrimp isolated in a small petri dish, elevated above a black background. The camera was/is a Fuji FinePix 6900z with a 50mm lens attached in the reversed position. A tripod and flash were also employed. :)

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

I was right with the eggs!:lol:
They should molt every 3 days or so.The first change,stalked eyes,Z2,is common to all caridean and stenopodid shrimp.Usually it´s easy to see with a naked eye.The 2nd and 3rd changes should be the splitting of the now one-piece telson into exopodites and endopodites,the outer and inner tail fins.

[spawner]

Lisa, how are you getting such great photos? Camera, Lens, Lighting info please.

To bad your on the other side of the Atlantic, I would love to have some nice pictures taken.

Good luck with the larvae.

[LisaP]

OK so I had a quick peek at one of the zoea and it's not moulted yet. Perhaps it will change when the lights go out tonight, do they only moult at night or can it happen anytime?

I took a rather hurried shot of the baby shrimp a minute ago for my records and knocked up a quick stitched picture for comparative purposes. The newly hatched shrimp is on the left and the 3 day old shrimp is on the right. I think that there may be subtle differences between the two but it may just be wishful thinking on my part. :lol: What do you think?

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/newbornandday3.jpg

My picture taking set-up is as follows. The shrimp are carefully placed in a small amount of water within a petri dish. The petri dish is then elevated up above a dark background by way of a couple of small boxes (or whatever) placed at either end. The camera, a now outdated Fuji 6900z, is fixed onto a tripod and positioned directly above the petri dish. To get as close as possible to the subject I add an additional 50mm Pentax lens (from my SLR days) attached in the reversed position via a reversing ring. The flash was positioned underneath the elevated petri dish and off to one side so that the shrimp is illuminated from below. Then it's all down to a bit of patience as the shrimp don't stay still very long. :rollface:

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

You must be a pro photographer?.Are these scanned film pics?.
Yep,they molt at night,look for changes in the morning.
Nope,they´re both Z1.I can see the long legs.You see swimming and walking legs?How many?Try to count them down now because progressively more legs will appear,marking new stages.
You see the rostrum (spear at the front end)Is it longer than the antennae?.
The importance of recognizing the stages,is that you know if they´re going forward.Some zoea,like Lysmata,show they´re not happy by "marking time"i.e. they molt,(they must)but they repeat the previous stage.

[LisaP]

Hmm, very interesting! So if they are really unhappy they can moult but stay looking the same? So what makes them 'unhappy', poor nutrition and/or pollution?

I can see that they haven't made any real progress yet so fingers crossed for tomorrow.

And no I'm not a professional photographer, just somebody who enjoys taking pics of the little stuff that appears in our tanks. :D The Fuji is a digital camera so it's easy to just download the pictures to a computer, sooo much easier and quicker than having to have film developed.

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

Originally posted by LisaP
Hmm, very interesting! So if they are really unhappy they can moult but stay looking the same? So what makes them 'unhappy', poor nutrition and/or pollution?



Yes,or disease.
So how they´re looking so far?
Your Fuji is sure a professional digital camera,as you can change lenses.The macro pics of the zoea are better than many taken with a microscope.You should open a "Baby Fish n ´Shrimp Photo Studio";)

[LisaP]

They are still looking the same. Is that a bad sign do you think? They are 4 days old. At least they are not dead.... yet. :worried:

I can't really change lenses on the Fuji, the reversed lens thing is just a neat (and quite useful) trick. :)

Regards

Lisa

[purplehaze]

Lisa, are you able to see if they are eating?
If you only offered them rots and algae, try some BBS!

[LisaP]

Well, err, I have no idea if they are eating. It's certainly not obvious to me, they do seem quite active however. Are shrimp 'born' with a yolk sac or something similar to keep them going for a few days like baby fish?

They only have a mix of rotifers (B. plicatilis) and some unknown smaller organism (probably a ciliate) to prey on at the moment. I'll get a brineshrimp culture started first thing tomorrow. I do have a copepod culture on the go but it's a way off being harvestable yet. Perhaps it'll prove useful later on.

Fingers crossed that the zoeae change into the next stage tonight.

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

well if you can remove and invert the lens that´s something!.Better than my Cybershot and it´s stupid 5" delay that I couldn´t so far override!:(

Yes,you should be feeding bbs.Though they have reserves to molt to Z2 unfed,it was shown that early starving jeopardizes their future.Shrimp zoea can handle much bigger pieces than same size fish larvae,because they don´t swallow their prey but grab it and chew it.You can actually see them holding a bbs with their legs.

[Atticus]

Awe man now I am going to have to try to breed something else... :D I wish you luck as you progress Lisa and make sure to keep us updated!!!! :p

[LisaP]

OK, I feel really bad now. I've been starving the poor things. :(

I started off a culture of bbs first thing this morning and another 5 hours later so that I can feed them newly hatched nauplii first thing tomorrow morning and in the afternoon too. How many should I add per ml and what should I do about the bbs that remain uneaten in the tank after 6hrs??

Many thanks for all the comments so far. :D

Regards

Lisa

[LisaP]

Just another thought. Would it be worthwhile adding some copepods now? There aren't enough to harvest from my independent culture but it would be easy enough to siphon some out from the refugium of my big tank. They are a species of pelagic copepod, would they be too big for the zoea to tackle at this stage?

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

I wouldn´t mess with anything else than bs,but it´s just MO.I don´t know about Thor and it seems nobody does here (perhaps Purplehaze?),so,you´re very much on your own.Good luck and keep posted

[PeejFish]

I'm just taggin along, breeding sexys has always been a dream of mine :D so hopefully you do it so you can help the rest of us! I wish you the best, btw awesome photo's

[LisaP]

A quick update: The shrimp are 6 days old and look like this...

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexyday6140405.jpg

It's not a great picture I'm afraid but the lil thing just didn't want to move away from the side of the petri dish and since I don't have that many to play I didn't want to kill it just for the sake of a picture.

Sooooo, are they at the second stage? :D

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

Right,Z2:),though the eye stalks are short like the antennae.
You now must check the telson for the appearance of tail fins.Also try to count walking and swimming legs.
I understood at last how you adapt your camera(fast,uh?).You can not remove the lens but there is a thread where you can adjust an additional inverted lens.Did I get it?

[psycho_clown]

LisaP congrats on the shrimp thougth i let you know great work

[LisaP]

Yay! Z2, now how many more are there to go? :lol:

Luis, that's right! I simply attach the extra lens via a reversing ring. :)

Regards

Lisa

[purplehaze]

Lisa,

The larvae stay on the bottom for the first couple of days, then start to "swim" in the water column. Start feeding BBS from day1.
You can feed once a day, if necessary twice. Feed enough so that each larvae doesn't have to spend to much energy getting to the food. If the bottom gets to dirty siphon it out.
Photoperiod of 12-14 day, just enough light for you to see both the larvae and BBS.
Temp: 26-28 C, salinity at 33ppt.
You can use a 5-10 gal tank. Cover all the sides.
You should get your first pos-larvae in 22-29 days.
HTH
Good lcuk

:thumbsup:

[LisaP]

Great! Thanks Purplehaze.

Just one other query. What do you all do with the older brineshrimp in the larval rearing tank? I can quite clearly see the difference between the newly hatched shrimp and those that are 24 - 48hrs old now. Are they OK to leave in there or should I make a serious effort in trying to remove them??

I'll keep you all posted of any progress.

Regards

Lisa

[Atticus]

Would it be a good idea to add phytoplankton to the tank water as we do with clowns to keep the brine fortified?

[purplehaze]

Originally posted by LisaP

Just one other query. What do you all do with the older brineshrimp in the larval rearing tank? I can quite clearly see the difference between the newly hatched shrimp and those that are 24 - 48hrs old now. Are they OK to leave in there or should I make a serious effort in trying to remove them??


Well, if too many are left then you can siphon them out every other day! Just put a micron screen before the airline tube, that way only the brineshrimp are flushed out of the sistem and not the larvae.

[Luis A M]

Originally posted by Atticus

Would it be a good idea to add phytoplankton to the tank water as we do with clowns to keep the brine fortified?

No,it wouldn´t.In very few days the bs would outgrow the shrimp!:p

Starved bs molt to the 2nd.stage,instar 2 and then die and must be siphoned out,unless they can be removed with appropriate screens before they die.

This is a general problem of larval husbandry,what to do with uneaten live food,and aquarists use their ingenuity to find ways to deal with it.

[Sylvio]

Hallo Lisa

Viele Grüsse aus Deutschland.
Ich züchte die Thor seit Dezember 2004 nach.

Ein kleinen Bericht findest du auf

http://www.nachzuchtenregister.de/Garnelen_Krebse/garnelen_krebse.htm

Leider ist mein Englisch so schlecht das ich nicht aktiv am Thema
teilnehmen kann.

Aber purplehaze ist ein guter Freund von mir und wird es dir sicher übersetzen.

Viel Glück

MfG Sylvio

[LisaP]

Hallo Sylvio,

Vielen dank für der information. Es ist extrem nützlich.

Ausgezeichnete Web site.

Willkommen zu ReefCentral. :D

Mit freundliche grüßen

Lisa

I hope that's understandable, my German is extremely rusty.

[Sylvio]

Hallo Lisa

Dein Deutsch ist gut. :D

Züchtest du noch andere Tiere?

MfG Sylvio

[LisaP]

Hallo,

Ich versuche auch, den Goby, Gobiosoma multifasciatum, anzuheben.

Green banded gobies (http://lisap46.tripod.com/id139.html)

:D

Mit freundliche grüßen

Lisa

[purplehaze]

Lisa, ja jetzt weisst du wen du fragen musst :D

[Sylvio]

Hallo Lisa

Na dann hoffe ich das ich noch was von dir lernen kann. ;)

MfG Sylvio

Ich habe dir noch eine Mail geschickt auf deiner HP.

[padixon2]

lol, it was an interesting thread until it changed languages. :)

[padixon2]

lol, it was an interesting thread until it changed languages. :)

[Luis A M]

Mein Gott!Dieses Forum ist deutsch geworden!:)
Sylvio,wie wisst Du dass Lisa Deutsch verstehet?.
Gratuliere Ihnen fur ihre prima Site,die alt BR list ahnlich aber mit Bilden:)
I say that german site is very good and made like the old BR but with pics.Aren´t there translation programs so valuable non english info could jump over linguistic barriers?.
Es gibt keinen Computerprogram das Ihre Site auf Englisch ubersetzen kann?

[clownfish75]

HI Sylvio

Mag ich etwas von Ihrem Artikel zu Englisch übersetzen? Damit andere
ausgefüllt werden können.

Danke

Christian

DOnt know if that is right i used a traslation program.

[Sylvio]

Hallo

Tut mir Leid wenn ich in Reff Central deutsch schreibe.

Aber Es gibt immer Leute die ein wenig die deutsch Sprache sprechen.

So wie purplehaze und Lisa

Aber wer sich richtig mit der Nachzucht von
Meerwassertieren beschäftigt den ist keine Sprache fremd.

@clownfish75
Natürlich kannst du meine Berichte übersetzen.
Bei anderen mußt du den Autor fragen.
Da mir diese HP nicht gehört.


Translation with Google


hello
does wrong to me if I in reff central German writes. But there are always people some little those German language speaks. As purplehaze and Lisa. But who is not correctly with the offspring busy by sea water animals that a language strangely.
@clownfish75
natural you can translate my reports. With others you must ask the author. Since this HP does not belong to me.

MfG Sylvio

[Luis A M]

[i]
Translation with Google


But who is not correctly with the offspring busy by sea water animals that a language strangely.
MfG Sylvio [/B]
These translation programs are still very bad!:p
What Sylvio meant was:"But for whom is seriously dedicated to the reproduction of marine animals,there are no foreign languages"
I hope this makes more sense,English is not my 1st language either! ;)

[purplehaze]

Well, if you all are so interested I can translate it for you.
Just have to get permission from the authors to do it. ;)

[clownfish75]

The article was very interesting from what i could gather from it.

The only one i struggled with was the coments on the juvenile shrimps behaviour, ie did they hassle SPS coral or not, my traslation got to lost there.

The larval phase was a few days longer than you stater in your post but thats nothing.

And the captions to the pics are a huge help

Christian

[purplehaze]

Christian, no they don't hassle SPS corals.

Lisa, do you got any new pics of the larvae?:)

[LisaP]

Sorry, I've not taken any new pictures recently. All appears to be going well as far as I can tell. They are still alive, 11 days and counting.

I assume that they must be eating the brineshrimp nauplii now but I've never actually seen a larva capture one and I've spent a lot of time looking in the tank. :lol:

Regards

Lisa

[purplehaze]

Originally posted by LisaP
I assume that they must be eating the brineshrimp nauplii now but I've never actually seen a larva capture one and I've spent a lot of time looking in the tank. :lol:

Regards

Lisa

Well, if they are still alive after 11 days they must be eating something :D ...are you supplying them each day with BBS?
How many are you feeding?

[LisaP]

Yes they are getting newly hatched brineshrimp every morning. :D

I think that there are about 15 left out of the 25 that I removed from the nano tank. I'm quite attached to the tiny little things now.

Regards

Lisa

[purplehaze]

You should be getting a new spawn any day now! Or have you allready? How does your female look like? Is she carrying eggs?
Good luck

[PeejFish]

How many sexys did you have and how long did you have them before they spawned?? I'm thinking of starting to breed these guys :D

[PeejFish]

ohhh and one more thing did you notice of the larvae were attracted to light like peppermint shrimp fry per chance...thanks, just wondering if the larval collector would work for these

[LisaP]

Purplehaze,

Yes one of the females is carrying eggs again. Now that I have a better grasp of what to do I will attempt to raise a larger amount when she next releases. Although it's still early days with this first lot I suppose, they've still got some growing to do. :p

PeejFish,

I have 3 Sexy shrimps, two are noticeably larger than the third. I'd had them for 2 months before I noticed one of the females carrying eggs and yes the larvae are definitely attracted to the light.

Regards

Lisa

[PeejFish]

ah thanks for the reply LisaP, I was also under the impression you could keep any amount of them aslong as its odd numbered? such as 3 5 7 and so on?

[LisaP]

I have heard the 'odd numbers' rule mentioned before but I don't know how true it actually is. :hmm2: 3 just seemed like a good number for my small tank. :p

Regards

Lisa

[Sylvio]

Hallo PeejFish

Bei mir leben 2 Frauen 1 Mann und ca 40 Kinder in einen Becken
welches mit an den Hauptbehälter angeschlossen ist.

@Lisa

Du wirst noch merken das die kleinen nach der Umwandlung dort besser wachsen als in einen Zuchtbecken.



MfG Sylvio

[ruck'n'reefer]

Japanese please!

[Luis A M]

Originally posted by ruck'n'reefer
Japanese please! :D

[Sylvio]

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MfG Sylvio

:spin2: :spin2: :spin2:

:D :D :D

[ruck'n'reefer]

Thanx, that's much better :o)

[LisaP]

I still have baby shrimp. :D

They are 17 days old today and look like this:

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexy250405.jpg

They are noticably larger than when they were first released and a darker orange colour too. I think that I have at least 14 left but there maybe more lurking in there. They are increasingly difficult to spot as they tend to stick to the sides of the aquarium and only occasionally make brief trips out in to the water column. The sides of the tank are covered in a thin layer of algae which helps them to blend in almost completely. I don't expect that they will be ready to settle out for a while yet.

I have just finished reading April Kirkendoll's helpful and entertaining book 'How To Raise & Train Your Peppermint Shimp'. She states that she got somewhere between 10 to 20% survivorship of her shrimp. Is that what you have all found too?

Regards

Lisa

[Sylvio]

Hallo Lisa
Herzlichen Glückwunsch .

Wenn du noch Tips für die (wurdemanni) brauchst?
Die habe ich auch schon nachgezogen.


MfG Sylvio

[Luis A M]

Originally posted by LisaP
. She states that she got somewhere between 10 to 20% survivorship of her shrimp. Is that what you have all found too?

Not me,may be the pros!:D
My current best # of shrimp setting is:

L.wurdemanni-10
R.durbanensis-1
L.amboinensis-0
L.debelius-0
S.hispidus-0

Lisa,you´re doing great! :) Larvae are nicely colored,they still don´t have pleopods,do they?.
So how you solved the uneaten bs removal problem?
Good luck,you´re almost there!:)

[LisaP]

Hallo Sylvio,

Ich habe kein Lysmata wurdemanni. Ich wollte gerade erlernen, wie sie angehoben wurden. :)

Wieviele für Sie überlebten? Wenn nur 10% meiner Garnele dann überleben, habe ich nur 2 oder 3. Ich sollte mit mehr begonnen haben. :rolleyes:

MfG

Lisa

[LisaP]

Luis,

Ah, so that's 10 Peppermints in total. Hmm, so I could actually end up with less than 2 or 3 shrimps then..... that's assuming I'm really lucky of course. :lol:

I'm not sure if they have any pleopods yet, when I take one out again I'll try to take a good look at it under the microscope. Assuming it stays still for long enough for me to do that. I definitely couldn't see what April refers to as the 'spear legs'. Do all species of shrimp develop those?

Regards

Lisa

[LisaP]

Sorry I forgot to answer your other question. I have been performing 22% water changes first thing every morning. During which time I hoover the bottom of the tank and also try to remove as many of the larger brineshrimp as I can. After that's done I add in the fresh newly hatched baby brine.

Regards

Lisa

[Sylvio]

Hallo Lisa

Den Erfolg bei den Thor kommt beim 2. mal

Benutze einen konischen Behälter am Anfang.

Ich habe 80 Thor von einen Wurf gezogen.

Berichte über Wurdemanni (glasrosenfressende Garnlen)
findest du in unseren Forum. :)

MfG Sylvio

[Luis A M]

Don´t rely on statistics,anything can happen.Play the game;)

You need to look from the side to see pleopods,perhaps in the rearing tank with a mag.glass?

Spear (or paddle,or oar) legs belong to Lymata.Peppermints have 1 pair (pp5th) while amboinensis and debelius have 3 (pp 3rd,4th and 5th).

[spawner]

Luis
I see buds,

Lisa,
Can you post a high res link or a zoom on the abdomen. Ant. are bifurcated as well, antennular scale looks very developed.

[breakn]

are you going to sell these sexy shrimp when they are grown and amazingly beautiful creatures

[LisaP]

Breakn, I have my fingers crossed that some make it to settlement but I'm trying not to think too hard of what I will do with them after that. :) I have the perfect spot for them to grow on if I am fortunate to keep a few, but after that I don't know. I guess I'll pass them on to other reefers. I definitely cannot put them in my big display tank as my Scarlet Hawkfish would eat them for sure. :eek: Still, I mustn't get ahead of myself as things could all still go horribly wrong.

Luis/Spawner, I have been studying them with a magnifying glass all morning but I can hardly make out the legs so I doubt that I will be able to really see if there are tiny pleopods present. It's definitely a job for the microscope. I have uploaded a bigger view of the picture above though I'm not sure it will help that much.

See it here (http://lisap46.tripod.com/id149.html)

Regards

Lisa

[spawner]

Lisa,

That picture is not any better. Needs to be clear more that magnified. I am not sure how many stages of pleopod development you will have, my guess would be two or three for these guys.

The zoea on your web site are from the pistol shrimps.

[Luis A M]

Andy,
I think I see buds in the rear of the pleon.
Lisa,
Don´t expect them to settle before you see well developed,functional pleopods (used for swimming)

[LisaP]

I didn't think that it would help. :p I can get better shots but it would take time and I worry that the more time I have them out of the rearing tank the bigger the risk is of killing them. I really don't want to kill them. I will document the whole process better on the next rearing attempt. :D

Regards

Lisa

[spawner]

Luis,

I was thinking the thing but the pic is fuzzy.

Lisa, you want harm them if you pull them out to look at them. But it's no hurry, when they have well developed pleopods you'll see'm for sure.

[breakn]

if you are going to pass them on let me know at breakn@juno.com
but in the mean time i am truly impressed by how well they are coming

[LisaP]

Woo hooo! Unless my poor strained eyes are deceiving me 3 of my baby shrimp settled out last night. They were 22 days old. Sadly I don't have any pictures of them as 2 have chosen to hide behind the left airstone and the other one is positioned behind the right airstone and under the heaterstat. Just imagine teeny tiny (about 6mm) versions of mum (with less spots and a bit less stocky) and you'll be about right.

I can't tell you how proud I feel at the moment.

:celeb2: :celeb3: :bounce2:

Regards

Lisa

[Shultz]

Excellent news!

I've been watching this thread with interest as I've just setup a 7gal nano & was thinking of adding 3 sexy's :)

Cheers Shelton.

[spawner]

Lisa,

That's great; hiding is a great sign. Most shrimp larvae normally go from positively phototaxic to negative immediately after they metamorphosis. Try to get a pic before they color up, which normally takes a few days after settlement.

[Sylvio]

Hallo Lisa

Herzlichen Glückwunsch auch von mir.

Da siehst du das sich die Mühe gelohnt hat.

Ich freue mich das es bei dir funktioniert hat.

Hier mal ein Bild wo meine noch ganz klein waren.

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool/34/63/83/80/9E/8B/11/D9/91/D0/00/9F/91/FE/BA/B6/10/E8CF96A0BA5711D9931A8153D9F6020E.jpg


MfG Sylvio

[LisaP]

Thanks everyone.

I will try to get some pictures of them but unless they move a bit closer to the front of the tank it's going to be an impossible job. Perhaps if some more settle out tonight they will choose the front of the tank to hang out, it's unlikely but one can always hope.

Sylvio,

Ich bin glücklich. Ich dachte nicht, daß es wirklich geschehen würde.

Ich liebe dieses Foto. Es ist fantastisch. :D

Regards

Lisa

[NicoleC]

Wow, what an interesting thread. Fascinating that I remember enough German to understand the thread, but couldn't translate it into English :)

Lisa, I think there is some synergy with spawning species'. For some reason, the more pairs you have together spawning, the more likely they are to all start spawning. Perhaps it is only that they are in ideal conditions, but it doesn't seem odd to me that you have gobies and shrimp spawning in the same tank. I have watched one set of fish startdoing their love dance, and it makes the other pairs get ampourous, too. Hormonal change in the water? Hmmm.

Perhaps some of these methods will work for pistol shrimp? BBS seems so easy. With the exception of my clowns, my pistols are my most reliable spawners at the moment. I do still want to raise YWG's, but am having a little difficulty with the eggs.

Wouldn't that be cute -- CB YWG gobies and CB pistol shrimp!

[LisaP]

Nicole,

An interesting thought. Along with my spawning gobies and shrimp I discovered that my sun coral had sucessfully spawned this week. I now have tiny single orange polyps scattered about the walls of the refugium. Something's certainly going right with that system whatever it is. :)

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/babysun1280405.jpg

I would give it a go with your pistol shrimps, you just never know what might happen. I had a breeding pair of Alpheus sp. a few years ago and wish now that I had taken the time to give the larvae a chance.

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

Congrats,Lisa,you´re good!:thumbsup: :celeb1:

[LisaP]

This is the best shot I've got of one so far. It's sitting on a rather manky looking clip for the heaterstat. I'm not sure how long this one has been settled out as I counted at least 6 of the little guys hiding in the tank yesterday. There are 3 more that still have to make the change.

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexyplus10040505.jpg

They are just so small still.

I have been adding bbs for the free swimming ones and popping in a small amount of crushed flake food for the others. Is there anything else that I should be trying to get them to put on a bit of weight?

Regards

Lisa

[Dlckwood]

Cyclop-eeze is always a great addition.
David

[LisaP]

That's a great idea, thanks!

Regards

Lisa

[LotR Clown]

Well done Lisa.

Great thread.

Kevin

[ozadars]

Congradulations Lisa!

I hope I can breed a fish or a shrimp one day. It should be a gorgeous feeling.

Good Luck

[LisaP]

Thank you, I must admit that in all my years of reefkeeping raising these shrimp is hands down the most rewarding thing that I've done. :smokin:

This is what they look like now, they are 30 days old. As far as I can tell there are 10 of them that have successfully settled out.

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexy080505.jpg

Regards

Lisa

[wahshk]

Wow. Great job...

[wahshk]

What's your secret???

[LisaP]

:lol: No secret, just lucky I guess. It would seem that Sexy shrimp are sort of like the clownfish of the shrimp world, all in all not too difficult to rear given a bit of time and effort. I suspect that if I'd chosen cleaner shrimp to work with the story would have been much different.

Btw the lil shrimp continue to do well, getting a bit bigger as each week goes by. They are still quite small however, snack sized actually. :p They won't be ready to be kept with any fish for quite a while yet I think.

Regards

Lisa

[krayzie]

just wondering

would it be just as easy with say cleaner shrimp

[clownfish75]

ONE can only wish, cleaner shrimps have a much longer larval stage (100 day) instea dof the 30ish for this species.

Christian

[damer]

krayzie, if you give it a go, make sure you put a heater in!!!:rollface:

sorry mate, couldnt resist.

regards

damien

[krayzie]

hahahah damer... didnt know u hop on here too

lol... yeah yeah i know HEATER

but the thing is that cleaner shrimp r sooo expensive

n how would u know which r male/female

n i have never seen a paired, pair b4.. in australia

[NicoleC]

They're both -- any two will do. My cleaner is by herself and she even had eggs once, although they were either not fertilized or she crossed the species barrier!

[krayzie]

but if u buy say 1 cleaner shrimp from 1 shop n anther cleaner shrimp from another shop

how do u know they will breed?

[ozadars]

Doesnt matter. Cleaner shrimps can both produce eggs and fertilize them. You must have at least two though, they cant fertilize their own eggs.

[krayzie]

so they r like hermapfrodies? like clown fish?

[rsman]

so they r like hermapfrodies?
yep!
like clown fish?
nope
clowns are only go juv -> male -> female -> dead end if they make it.

cleaners are free to switch to whichever, whenever they desire.

[clownfish75]

Cleaner shrimps (Lysmata amboinensis) are simultanious hermaphrodites, ie they are both sexs at once and can cross fertalise each other, so 2 animals will hold fertile eggs fertalised by the other animal.

Christian

[rsman]

yea what clownfish said

[Surfzone]

Lesia, how are they doing now? have they put on much weight since your last post? also what size grow out tank did you use? also just a thought i think you could get more larva if you were to put the female in a mesh basket in teh grow out tank so that when she releases the eggs go through the mesh and she cannot get to them.

i'v also seen mated pairs of coral banded shrimp and i wanted to know how long is their larval stages?

[Luis A M]

Originally posted by Surfzone
i'v also seen mated pairs of coral banded shrimp and i wanted to know how long is their larval stages?
Reportedly 4 to 7 months:eek1:

[LisaP]

Surfzone,

They are doing very well and are quite a bit bigger, though in the grand scheme of things they are still pretty much snack sized for almost any fish I think. I still have them in the same tank, the larval rearing/grow out tank. :lol: I don't exactly have a large breeding set-up at the moment. I could have started with a lot more larvae, there were hundreds darting about, but chose to try only a few for my first attempt at raising them. I didn't actually think that I'd be successful to be honest.

Here's a shot that I took yesterday. :D

http://www.reefhaven.co.uk/forum/uploads/img-2603-sexy010605.jpg

Regards

Lisa

[km133688]

you are inspiring LisaP. I now am going to do the same thing and raise these guys.

Kevin

[B Pierce]

That is awsome!

What did you raise them on?

Bill

[Surfzone]

ok well i just ordered the book how to rase and train your peppermint shrimp. i'd also like to knowif you solely fed them on bbs or did you also use rotifers and ather things of the sort?

[TheyCallMeFishy]

Great thead Lisa, looks like you will smash that statistic if most of them make it through to maturity.

b.pierce, surfzone: I believe both of your questions are answered in the thread, repeteadly haha.

[cateyes]

hi LisaP -- what a neat thing you have accomplished!!!! do you have any to date pics of the babies???
are sexy shrimp hermophridites (sp)? i'm going to have a few in my 29gal. when i get it set up...
i'm looking for some fish to go with them that wont eat them.. i see you have green bared gobies with them, do you have any other "non shrimp eating" fish suggestions??
thanks,,,,lisa

[LisaP]

Hi there,

I don't have any new pictures at present, I will try to take some new ones tomorrow. Sexy shrimp have separate sexes, the females being quite a bit bigger than the males. The shrimp babies are showing variability in size already, some are really quite big and chunky whereas a few others are smaller and slimmer. I like to think that's because they are of different sexes rather than some pigging out more than others. :lol:

As for fish compatibility, these guys are small as shrimp go and so need fairly quiet tank mates. I would imagine pretty much any of the gobies are suitable. I only have the green banded ones with mine so that I could study the behaviour of both without each affecting the other too much. I'm sure that other fish groups would suit too but perhaps you may not see so much of the shrimp in the fish are very active.

Regards

Lisa

[cateyes]

yeah, that makes since, active fish scaring the sexy shrimp.. i don't want them hiding,, they are sooo cute.....
thanks a lot and good luck,,,,lisa

[Blennius]

I have a pair of them in my 400l tank and see them all the time, even though there are quite a few active inhabitants in there like Goldtail demoiselles, a 2 colored dottyback and 2 cleaner shrimp.
The female is regulary releasing larvae and your thread has inspired be to try and raise some as well, since you suceeded by bbs. I have not yet the time to set up a cultures of zoo or phytoplankton.
BTW: real good german from you guys (except "raising" is called "grossziehen" in that context;))

Chris

[spk]

Lisa,

Great thread. How are these guys doing now?

Steve

[LisaP]

Heya Steve,

They are doing great and I'm probably going to be moving them outta this little tank and into the refugium of my big tank this week. Here are a few new pics:

Male (right) & female (left) ??

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexy2250605.jpg

More...

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexy250605.jpg

and lastly...

http://lisap46.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sexy4250605.jpg

Regards

Lisa :)

[spk]

Lisa,

These are fantastic. What are you going to do with them all?

Great to see that you patience has paid off.

How are the Gobies doing?

Steve

[B Pierce]

Did you raise them on just BBS?

Bill

[LisaP]

Actually no. They had rotifers for the first week and then I transferred them on to newly hatched brineshrimp, that was only because I didn't know any better. I've since found out that it is possible to raise them on bbs alone. :)

Regards

Lisa

[B Pierce]

wow thats amazing that something that small can be raised o BBS!

[Qwiv]

So, how about a second batch??

[kiltboy1675]

that is so cool

[rbeleno]

Lisa and Purplehaze...

Can you assist with some suggestions and preparation for my situation?

The 2 Sexies in my tank have been there for about 6 months (had 3 initially). They are in the main tank - 37 gallon with the following:
Fish - Coral Beauty, 2 True Percs, Jawfish, 3 Chromis, Yellow Goby.
Inverts - Snails and a Cleaner Shrimp
Coral - Lps (Hammers, Frogspawn, others), and softies (Zoos, leathers, etc.).

The female has been carrying eggs and just realized this past week. I'm noticing she is even larger the past 2 or 3 days. I'm attaching pics with her, but didn't get a clear shot of the eggs. I saw tonight that she was using some of her legs to move the eggs around - looks like a lot of eggs in there.

I'd like to attempt to do what you were successful in Lisa, but since my initial setup is different from yours (mine being in a main tank with a good deal of predators and yours in a smaller nano), I need some assistance in suggestions.

So far, I'm in the process of getting a spare 5 gallon hex tank ready. It will have a basic 10watt 50/50 coralife bulb. By tomorrow, I would have transferred water from my main tank into the 5 gallon and get the tank circulating with a powerhead.

So my issues to figure out...

The 5 gallon tank itself...

1. Am I fine just using the same tank water from the main to fill this up or should I also add some fresh mix of saltwater?

2. For circulation Lisa I read initially you used an air pump... did you keep this throughout?

3. Any benefit in me putting some live rock or substrate from my main tank in the 5 gallon?

4. Did you have a heater in your tank? In my condo, the temperature of the room is pretty stable, but I may still go ahead and put a heater. It's summer over here in Canada at the moment, so the concern right now is keeping the tank cool.

5. Anything else I should prep the tank for?

The Sexy Shrimp couple...

A. I haven't read up on the process of shrimp having babies, although I did have a time once in an old tank that my peppermint shrimp had babies swimming all over the tank, but it was when I woke up and there they were already swimming. Soooo... how does a shrimp, specifically the sexy shrimp have it's babies?...
- does it release all the eggs at once?
- do the eggs just fall down or float around?
- before the eggs start hatching/moving, how long would that be?
- would they be swimming around all over the tank towards the light from the beginning?

This is probably my main question for now because 1) I want to decide whether I remove Mama Shrimp before she releases the eggs to the 5 gallon away from the main tank... or 2) do I wait and hopefully be around when the babies start swimming and scoop them up as fast as possible before they are all eaten up.

My preference is the first choice and if I don't get any strong opinions within the next day or so in opposition to move Mama over to the safer tank, she's going into the 5 gallon. My concern is the stress to her, but that's the plan.

B. Is there any way to tell when the shrimp is very close to releasing her eggs? Lisa - did you know a few days prior that you were about the get all these babies swimming around?

Thanks for any feedback - Ron

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/54330Sexy_Shrimp_with_Eggs_1a.jpg

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/54330Sexy_Shrimp_with_Eggs_2a.jpg

[Surfzone]

you should read the book How to rase and train your peppermint shrimp. it's full of great info. in the book the author sugests building a larva trap so that you don't have to worrie too much about the larva seeing as the shrimp tend to release their eggs at night.

[B Pierce]

rbeleno, thats awsome! good luck

Bill

[LisaP]

To Quiv,

I haven't had the time to raise another batch of shrimp, we are going away soon and it's hard enough to get somebody to feed my fish and take care of my tanks let alone having to deal with bbs and baby shrimp. :rolleyes:

To Ron,

Sorry for the late reply. To try and answer your questions....

1. I used all parent tank water (and used parent water for subsequent water changes too).

2. Yep, used a simple air pump/air stones to provide circulation throughout to larval period (and beyond).

3. No don't put any rock in there or any other kind of substrate. Water changes are enough to keep the water quality high enough.

4. Yes my tank contained a heaterstat to keep the temps stable.

5. Nope not really. Although I should perhaps mention that the larval tank sides are covered with black cardboard to cut out side lighting. I'm not sure if this is as important for shrimp as it is for baby fish but the tank was already covered so I left it be.

As for 'mummy' shrimp, she will release the larvae in one go after the lights go out one evening. You need to be vigilant as to when this will be, a quick glance every evening after you notice her heavy with eggs. To capture the larvae shine a light at one end of the tank and simply scoop out the attracted babies. Take care here as the babies are quite fragile. Once the larvae are set up in a separate tank start feeding them with newly hatched baby brineshrimp and watch them grow. :D

To all,

One other interesting observation to note since my last posting. My 'baby' shrimp have begun to have babies of their own. How cool is that!! Sexually mature at 98 days old, neato! :smokin:

Regards

Lisa

[Luis A M]

Congrats again Lisa:)
I never really gave sexies more than a casual interest.I thought they were obligate anemone partners.Now we are all raiding lfs to find some to try!

[rbeleno]

Thanks for the response Lisa.

It looks like I will have to wait for the next round of eggs to attempt this. I believe I missed everything by one night. The next day after I posted and transferred mama to the smaller tank with papa, there were no more eggs I could see. As much as I stayed up the night prior getting the smaller tank ready, I believe in the few hours I slept is when she released her eggs. With the predators in my tank, I don't think they would have lasted even an hour.

So... patience again as it always is in this hobby. I believe I read that it will take about 20-30 days for the next round of eggs??? Can someone clarify this?

I'll update if down the road if there's any new progress.

Ron

[spk]

Lisa,

Babies having babies, that has to be the best that this hobby has.

Congrats.

:D :D :D

Have a great holiday

[rbdesigns]

Hello Lisa, I saw your thread a couple of months ago and decided to buy some sexy shrimp for myself and try it. About a month ago, bought nine sexy shrimp and it turns out I have 8 females and one male. I just found this out tonight as I was looking for a fish that went missing on saturday. I was shinning a flashlight and four of my sexy shrimp have eggs. How does it work? She releases the eggs or they hatch inside of her and then she releases them. I thought I saw something shoot out of her and start wiggling around the tank, as she arranged the eggs with her legs.

Thanks for the help.

[DeeZeal]

Man it would be cool if I could raise them, they are so hard to find in my area. Makes me wonder....

[rbdesigns]

Here's a couple of pics. I haven't figured out what I am going to do. I went out to buy some brine eggs and a fish net breeder. I am going to be out of town for two weeks so I if I have the net suspended in the tank, I can have my girlfriend through some brine eggs in the net, so I don't have to worry about her killing everything with a water change. Will the brine shrimp hatch in the tank, or do I have to aerate it in fresh water then add them to tank?
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/92771IMG_0165.jpg
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/92771IMG_0163.jpg

[rbeleno]

Congrats rbdesigns!!!

Did you catch the babies from the main tank or did you place the parents in that plastic bin/container while the babies where born? What container is that they are in at the moment?

As for the BBS, it would be more ideal to hatch them seperately than in the same water with the Sexy shrimp. Maybe you can try and split the sexy babies in half in another container so that you don't risk all of them if you try the method with the BBS in the net.

Good luck w/ getting them to adulthood and keep posting the progress.

Ron

[rbdesigns]

I took the females out before they let go of the eggs. The container was too small and the females died with the babies. I messed up hatching the BBS in the same container as them. I have a couple of females almost ready to give birth too, but I won't be able to raise them because I live to Europe tomorrow morning. When I get back I will try again and set up a 10 gallon tank for all of them, so I don't have to try to remove them from the display tank.

[Nagel]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=4859814#post4859814 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NicoleC

Lisa, I think there is some synergy with spawning species'. For some reason, the more pairs you have together spawning, the more likely they are to all start spawning. Perhaps it is only that they are in ideal conditions, but it doesn't seem odd to me that you have gobies and shrimp spawning in the same tank. I have watched one set of fish startdoing their love dance, and it makes the other pairs get ampourous, too. Hormonal change in the water? Hmmm.


Just re-reading this thread and I thought of another possibility to the timing. With clownfishes, one way to try and induce spawning is to release BBS into the water for a few days to act as a plankton bloom. Hundreds of baby shrimp could also appear the same way..

Interesting thread. I got the "Raise and Train You Peppermint" book for Christmas, and I've watched this thread for a while. Have a pair of sexy shrimp and would love to try this...

[Peter Schmiedel]

@LisaP, purplehaze und Silvio

da sucht man was über Premans Aufzucht, erinnert sich an den aktuelle Artikel im letzten Meerwasser Aquarianer, weis das Lisa Klasse Bilder macht und erwischt einen fast Deutschen Thread. <weglach>

So then I will try to bread my Thor too - if my Premans and wurdemani leave some space and food over :D

[Peter Schmiedel]

@LisaP, purplehaze und Silvio

da sucht man was über Premans Aufzucht, erinnert sich an den aktuelle Artikel im letzten Meerwasser Aquarianer, weis das Lisa Klasse Bilder macht und erwischt einen fast Deutschen Thread. <weglach>

So then I will try to bread my Thor too - if my Premans and wurdemani leave some space and food over :D

[Sylvio]

Hallo Peter

Der Nachzucht von marinen Tieren sind keine Grenzen gesetzt. :D

Auch wenn es meist an der Ãœbersetzung scheitert .

MfG Sylvio

[Peter Schmiedel]

Hi Sylvio

indeed having the web a translater or even speaking a global language makes the fish keeping hobby much easier. I am collecting small gobies and having contacts from Asia, to Amerika to Europe and if all except that we can learn from each other this hobby will be boosted :D

Leider sind wirklich von viele Deutsch welche aktive Züchten von der Generation die nicht unbedingt englisch spricht - Wolfgang Mai zum Beispiel

[BrianPlankis]

Lisa,

I just found this thread. Are there any updates? Have you tried more batches? When I setup my large tank room I think I'll have to have a small 10 gallon that can be used for holding a breeding pair or threesome of these shrimp and give it a go!

Brian

[Sylvio]

Hi Peter

Ich hatte zwar 5 Jahre Englisch aber das ist lange her. :D

Aber wenn jeder sich ein wenig Mühe gibt geht das schon.


Es gibt schon einige Züchter in Deutschland die Erfolge zu verzeichnen haben.

Nicht nur Wolfgang Mai.
Deshalb haben wir die IfMN ins Leben gerufen damit Züchter ihre Erfahrungen austauschen können.

http://www.ifmn.net/

MfG Sylvio

[purplehaze]

Hallo Sylvio,

Bald kriegst du die Berichte...Januar war nicht viel los bei mir...brauche auch mal Ferien:D

[PokerG]

Anyone else done any sexy breeding recently?

Gary

[Brock Fluharty]

Wow. Lisa, you have inspired me to breed these shrimp. I saw one at my LFS the other day, and he was at the peak of a rock, waving his junk around...lol. I am going to do this!!! You are such an inspiration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for inspiring me lol!!!!!!!!!!



Brock

[juicestain]

this thread needs to be revived.

is there anyone else that can share their experience with trying to raise sexy shrimp to adulthood?

[NINEONEONE]

You might want to email the starter of the thread or start your own ...

[yankeereefer]

check out mofib - there are a few more threads related to sexy rearing

[Blitzburggirl]

I can't comment on rearing.... But I have had a trio for over a year, and they breed constantly. 2 guys.. one girl.


Anyway- I'm working on revamping my tank set ups, and making this happen is my next reefkeepin goal.

[NINEONEONE]

[QUOTE=Blitzburggirl;16639693]I can't comment on rearing.... But I have had a trio for over a year, and they breed constantly. 2 guys.. one girl.

Good luck with that your off to a great start you already have a male and female .

[NINEONEONE]

[QUOTE=Blitzburggirl;16639693]I can't comment on rearing.... But I have had a trio for over a year, and they breed constantly. 2 guys.. one girl.

Good luck with that your off to a great start you already have a male and female .

[mbhunter]

LisaP,
How what size nano tank do you have the shrimp in? any other tank mates with them?