converting to FOWLR and shrooms hehe

[lacie143]

Well katrina knocked out our two reefs, so we're going to set one of them up as fowlr, our 90. Now being truely addicted to corals, we are going to have mushrooms in the tank.

Its a 90g tank and heres a super huge fish list:
majestic angel
dogface puffer
blk and white bannerfish butterfly
flame angel
harlequinn tusk
blue throat trigger


we'll have about 90lbs of rock in there. What do you think?

Heres the set up
90g tank, 29g sump with a euroreef skimmer and a built in fuge.

[emperior911]

Way too many fish for a 90 gallon. I wouldn't put a large angel in anything smaller then a 125.

i would put :
flame angel
tusk
blue throat trigger

I also would put a couple other medium to small size fish in there

[toonces]

i think you could fit all those fish in there, but i think you're setting yourself up for headaches with that bioload.

those are all fairly large growing fish.

i'd recommend one or two "show" fish, and a few smaller supporting fish. maybe the majestic and puffer along with a few gobies or fairy wrasses.

or the tusk and trigger and small fish.

[spamin76]

Originally posted by emperior911
Way too many fish for a 90 gallon. I wouldn't put a large angel in anything smaller then a 125.

i would put :
flame angel
tusk
blue throat trigger

I also would put a couple other medium to small size fish in there

Definitely too many fish for a 90 ;)

the above list looks good... but blue throats do not tend to do well in smallish tanks.

[lacie143]

I've worked in stores for a while, and i really think i can do it. I/m prepared to remove anything that doesnt work out. When i had my 75 set up before the storm i had somewhere around 15 various fish of diffrent sizes. As long as i can keep my levels down i should be okay.

That being said, i would never reccomend someone to keep that many fish in a 90 :)

I'm going to give it a go i think. I'll add them very slowly, start small. Think i've got a shot then?

Any one got some med/small suggestions that would normally not be reefsafe, maybe a flame hawk...

I've had a blue throat in a 75 and in a 90 before. I find that as long as you avoid the indo ones and go for a hawaiian they aren't as difficult.

[lacie143]

come to think of it. I need a challenge on this tank. I'm looking forward to the difficulties ahead.

[Apone]

Lacie,

I think you should go for it, and I wish you the best of luck.
No offense to anyone, but it seems that every post stating someone's proposed fish stocking list is answered with "too many fish".

The fact of the matter is that it is almost impossible to predict how many fish will be OK in a given tank. Even historical rivalries such as tang vs tang and large angel vs everything can be avoided based on the order of introduction and the individual personalities of the fish. Also, you cant predict the maintenance schedule of the tank owner. Some folks are very good with maintenance, which will of course allow for more fish.

With that said, I am what most people say "overstocked" myself. In my 90G, I have an annualris angel, yellow tailed angel, yellow tang, threadfin butterfly, royal gramma, 3 percula clowns and 2 yellow tailed damsels.

In all honestly I dont know much about the tusk, trigger or puffer. But all other fish I think would go well together...my favorite on your list is the majestic, which if I did not get the annualris would have been my angel of choice.

So good luck!

[toonces]

well,
i think the point is more the size these fish grow to rather than too many. everyone is an individual and can keep whatever they want in their tank. but, in that stock list, you have 4-5 fish with adult sizes close to a foot in length.

a 90 gal is only a 4' tank.

is it possible to keep all of those fish in a 90 gal? sure- i've seen some of those hong kong tanks that are packed. it will be a filtration drill mostly.

anyway, i guess it's a matter of what you're looking for in your tank. i strive to see at least somewhat natural behaviors of my fish in my tank. if your goal is to enjoy the challenge of keeping alot of beautiful fish in a small tank to look at, i think you could probably do it.

good luck.

[lacie143]

I'll find a new home for them when i feel they've outgrown the tank. Don't worry, i wont let them hemmorage. 75% of the fish people put in their tanks will outgrow them. You just have to be aware of the fact and be willing to find the fish a better home when the time comes.

[toonces]

true enough.

[lacie143]

oh i forgot the zebra moray

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by lacie143
I'll find a new home for them when i feel they've outgrown the tank. Don't worry, i wont let them hemmorage. 75% of the fish people put in their tanks will outgrow them. You just have to be aware of the fact and be willing to find the fish a better home when the time comes.

The problems you will have (and pretty fast) will be mostly disease related (not simply fish not having enough room to swim around). With hardy SW fish, sometimes a fish will simply outgrow a tank, however with more delicate fish, a FW approach (the person with an oscar in a 29gal) just doesn't work. Instead you get runs of disease, loss of color, and serious stunting of growth.

I'm not surprised that you have worked at LFS, your attitude is really a classic one for people that work at many fish stores, and probably the reason why most of these know-it-alls that work at Petco (and the like) spend their days dispensing their wisdom on newbies and theirs night trying to cure their 3rd case of popeye and ick in their own, embrassing, eyesore tanks.

Have fun jamming all those fish into that tank. Maybe someday you'll want a real challenge and you'll try to actually keep fish the right way. When they show good color, don't get sick every month, and pair up and spawn then you have something to be proud of . Overstocking a 90gallon has been done many, many times by many clueless people - I'm glad you are so eagar to add your name to that long list.

[toonces]

edited- never mind.

[schulace123]

no way dude! bluethroats are some of the most actvie fish, they need 125 minimum.

[lacie143]

That can be applied to any fish on that list, really nearly any fo fish. There are a few, but 90-125 isn't much a diffrence when you consider the ocean.

[ecugman]

Originally posted by lacie143
Well katrina knocked out our two reefs, so we're going to set one of them up as fowlr, our 90. Now being truely addicted to corals, we are going to have mushrooms in the tank.

Its a 90g tank and heres a super huge fish list:
majestic angel
dogface puffer
blk and white bannerfish butterfly
flame angel
harlequinn tusk
blue throat trigger


we'll have about 90lbs of rock in there. What do you think?


You asked what people thought, and they've told you. Why ask the question if you are going to discount all the advice you're given?

In my 150 I have:
Powder Blue Tang
Yellow Tang
Flame Angel
Pair of GSM clowns
Picasso Trigger

In my opinion I'm pushing the bio load and wish I had left out one of the larger fish, so I'm not a member of the "Tang Police" or "overstocking police".

[lacie143]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist
The problems you will have (and pretty fast) will be mostly disease related (not simply fish not having enough room to swim around). With hardy SW fish, sometimes a fish will simply outgrow a tank, however with more delicate fish, a FW approach (the person with an oscar in a 29gal) just doesn't work. Instead you get runs of disease, loss of color, and serious stunting of growth.

I'm not surprised that you have worked at LFS, your attitude is really a classic one for people that work at many fish stores, and probably the reason why most of these know-it-alls that work at Petco (and the like) spend their days dispensing their wisdom on newbies and theirs night trying to cure their 3rd case of popeye and ick in their own, embrassing, eyesore tanks.

Have fun jamming all those fish into that tank. Maybe someday you'll want a real challenge and you'll try to actually keep fish the right way. When they show good color, don't get sick every month, and pair up and spawn then you have something to be proud of . Overstocking a 90gallon has been done many, many times by many clueless people - I'm glad you are so eagar to add your name to that long list.


i'll be glad to send you pictures when its up and running, and i should warn you, i am not an average petco employee, but i dont really care if thats what you think. I know the depths of my abilities.

[angelfishlover]

Lacie, as I told you on Louisiana reef club, way too many fish for a 90. I'd drop the eel, puffer, trigger, and majestic angel. As spamin said, BT do poorly in smallish tanks. If you wanted to keep all of the above, a 180 would be a nice size. Please dont take this the wrong way Lacie, but your being kind of rude and acting like a know-it-all. Just because you work at an LFS dosent mean your the worlds leading fish expert.

[lacie143]

Originally posted by angelfishlover
Lacie, as I told you on Louisiana reef club, way too many fish for a 90. I'd drop the eel, puffer, trigger, and majestic angel. As spamin said, BT do poorly in smallish tanks. If you wanted to keep all of the above, a 180 would be a nice size. Please dont take this the wrong way Lacie, but your being kind of rude and acting like a know-it-all. Just because you work at an LFS dosent mean your the worlds leading fish expert.

this comming from someone who has a stingray in a 55 with poor filtration and had a lionfish in the same tank that died with ick... Perhaps i'm not the only know it all on this forum then?

[angelfishlover]

I wasn't acting like I was the worlds leading fish expert. Lacie, all of us are just trying to help out. Also about the ray, I have plans to upgrade and some money set aside to help get a 240 for the ray. And your screaming at me for having 3 fish in a 55 when you had 15 fish in a 75 and your planning to have 5 HUGE fish in a 90 long term? Okay do what you want but dont come crying to us when you figured out thats too many fish for a 90 the hard way. And just beacuse I had a lionfish die of ick does not make me a know it all.

[lacie143]

no not because of 3 fish, because you have a stingray in a 12" wide tank with inadaquete filtration.

[angelfishlover]

And you had 15 fish in a 48X18 tank

[Confooseld]

I don't think the issue is weather or not Angelfishlover is a competent fish keeper I believe it is weather or not your tank will work. Which it will not most definetly. You seem to have already made up your mind which is why I question the thread. At any rate good luck you're gonna need it.;)

[angelfishlover]

Exactly what he said. If you don't listen to us your gonna have another tank crash and it wont be because of a hurricane.

[lacie143]

i've seen your fish tanks and the amount of fish you've killed and you are the very last person i would take advice from in this hobby. It amazes me that you spout out advice and don't even take it your self.

When do you plan on upgrading? Did you even consider that may i might upgrade?

I just don't post things like that in my thread because the tank you have is the tank you have. "I'm upgrading" is just an excuse... I know it iwll be 3 or 4 yeas before i get a 6ft tank. It becomes a non issue.

[tgreene]

Originally posted by angelfishlover
I wasn't acting like I was the worlds leading fish expert. Lacie, all of us are just trying to help out. Also about the ray, I have plans to upgrade and some money set aside to help get a 240 for the ray. And your screaming at me for having 3 fish in a 55 when you had 15 fish in a 75 and your planning to have 5 HUGE fish in a 90 long term? Okay do what you want but dont come crying to us when you figured out thats too many fish for a 90 the hard way. And just beacuse I had a lionfish die of ick does not make me a know it all.
Sooooooooo, on one board it's gonna be a 180 and over here your blabbering on about getting a 240, meanwhile YOU STILL HAVE A RAY IN A 55g TANK WITH HORRIBLE FILTRATION! (yes, I was yelling!)

So 'Mr Angelfishkiller', did you get your 29g Manatee tank setup yet..? :eek2:

[angelfishlover]

Uhh dude what is your problem?

[tgreene]

YOU! -- Not only for your blatant mistreatment of aquatic life, but also because of your ****-poor advice to pretty much everyone you encounter on reefkeeping boards.

Heck, I hear if you trim their fins, you can easily fit an Emperor Angel in a 5g nano.... Or maybe even a Tarpin in your 55, you know, so your Ray doesn't get lonely!

[teog]

That being said, i would never reccomend someone to keep that many fish in a 90

So why do it then?

come to think of it. I need a challenge on this tank. I'm looking forward to the difficulties ahead.

This is your tank and you have a right to do what you want, however these types of comment make it difficult for people to give you feedback other than what has already been said.

[lacie143]

I plan to gauge the bioload of the tank and add accordingly while monitioring the growth of the fish. If at somepoint i decided the tank is full, i'll stop. This is pretty likely and i never stick by my fish list 100%. Have you seen the fantastic japanese systems loaded with angels and no problem? I've seen many tanks sucessfully run by controlled overcrowding and rigorous mantience and filtration. No one ever comments about these tanks negatively because they are stocked with beautiful rare and expensive fish. I would never send one of my customers hold with that kind of list because i believe it takes a certin level of knowledge experience and understanding that most everyday hobbyists do not have. I would never irresponsibly keep my fish, if i say that it was not working i would stop. I would think this is apparent but i suppose, in the waters of reef central, that is not the case.

we've decided to postpone the fowlr and go with freshwater to save $. since we no longer have the nice lfs discount, two tanks are actually going to be expensive as two tanks. Thanks again Katrina. The 75 will still be a reef. Cuting the FOWLR allows us to spend more on our true passion. I really wanted a puffer though :(

[tgreene]

Originally posted by lacie143
really wanted a puffer though :(
Mmmmmmm... Fugu! :D

[Titan*69]

Wow! Seems like a happy group. Lacie if you plan to up-grade your tank soon then giver but if you plan to keep it for life I would cut out some of the big boys and maybe go for a Dwarf or two. AFL I would have to agree on the Ray thing;and the pics of your tanks look really dirty. Not a rip on you JMO.

[lacie143]

No i'd be upgrading in a few years, but i don't like to adverstise that because then i'd be another one of those people who are always using it as an excuse. we live in a raised house so a 6ft tank right now may be pushing it. When we move after i graduate we are going to do a 6ft reef a 6ft fowlr. When i build my 'final' house in about 8 or 9 years, i'll have a few hundred gallon ray pool. I love rays!!! We may do fw rays though. David, my boyfriend, used to breed them. Theres some good money in that!

[ralphie16]

I love people like Lacy who post on here. Just makes me smile and realize what an idiot I was too when I started in this hobby...thinking I can put so many fish in such and such a tank, etc.. Well since this thread was from over a year ago, hopefully Lacy learned a little bit since then and has not filled up his tanks to the density that I experience on my commute on the subway.

So everybody, read this tread. So many of you sound just like Lacy. The cure? Step back, think a little, and most important of all...LISTEN!!! Listen to what experienced people have to say. Maybe you won't come off sounding like such a jackass like Lacy.

[clekchau]

jesus a stingray in a 55 gallon? :uh:

[lacie143]

Well thankyou mr know it all all full of assumptions. How do you know i'm a noob??? How do you know i dont know anything about tanks? DID YOU BOTHER TO LOOK AT ANY OTHER POSTS I"VE MADE, seeing as how you have enough spare time to go dig up a thread from a year ago on a site this massive, i would assume you have time to do your research.


Have you even seen the famous japanese angel tanks? Obviously not, and you know nothing about controlled overcrowding, a topic little explored in this country.


What could you possibly get out of this post?

A little self satisfaction think you are smarter or better than someone else.

One of the biggest lessons ever in saltwater is that there is no one true method...



Its people like you who make me hate reefcentral and that are the reason I and many experienced and crediable hobbyist like myself no longer frequent these forums. Since you have nothing better to do than pick on other people. You probably figured "this thread is a year old, no one will reply"

And if you are going to address me by name LEARN TO SPELL IT. ITS CLEARLY WRITTEN IN MY USERNAME AND WHEREEVER ELSE YOU GOT IT FROM! You were right about one thing, You are an idiot.

[billsreef]

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