adding a large angel

[asmodeus]

Ok I'm going to get a large angel ,but what one here is my list and tank spec's/

170 gal tank 60x27x24,
tank is light by 2x48 "t-5's 12K on a ice capp with normal flouresants actinic's.
beckett skimmer.
Barracuda on a closed loop 4500gph.
3md for a return 850 gph.

fish list
kole tang 4-5"
yellow tang 3-4"
scopas tang 2-3"
flame angel 2-3"
2x PJ cardinal 1-2"
2 orange line chromis 4"
4 green chromis 1-1.5"
2 x blue linkia's starfish - small and large
orange brittle star - large
leopard brittle star. -large

assorted snails
some green star polyops
branching provona small frag.


would like to get a

majestic or a
Imperator Angel

what would you guys go withi love the one that is on my avatar

[salmon11]

imperator would be a good choice. size 3-4 inch.

Majectic is not recommended. i and most of my friend get bored quickly of having this fish. The color of this fish is not attractive and dull.

[asmodeus]

won't the flame bother him you think


mike
:confused:

[maro1]

I would go alittle bigger on the Emp. he will fit in and be less hasseled if he is slightly larger


Mar:rollface:

[Jim_S]

Imp over the Majestic, but IMO a bluering or blueface are ideal.

Jim

[Nocturnal]

Go with the Emperor, but then again I am a little biased.
I also love the one in your avatar...especially considering it's my fish, lmao

[asmodeus]

Hope ya don't mind if you want i cant take it down not a problem. It was hard finding a good picture of one. let me know if ya want me to take it down ok

[Nocturnal]

No problem at all. When I opened the thread I thought there was a glitch in the board. I'm sitting here thinking, hey wait, I know that fish, lol
I'm actually flattered someone else thought he was beautiful too. Although that blue face in Jimdoggs avatar is stunning.

[emperior911]

i'd go with a blueface, i bought a 5 inch emperor that was stunning when i bought it. but months later the color washes away.

[Nocturnal]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6421792#post6421792 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by emperior911
i'd go with a blueface, i bought a 5 inch emperor that was stunning when i bought it. but months later the color washes away.

Very strange. Don't think that was a product of it being an Emperor angel but definitely some other cause.

I've had mine for years with no degradation in color. In fact, it's better looking now than when I got him.

[viggen]

the color shouldn't wash away on a imperor unless he's going from juv to adult :)

[sixxer]

IMO - The Emporor's color become more brilliant with their age. Mine is over 5 years old and still looks magnificent.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/aric/Fish/Fish2/EmpororAngel.jpg

[asmodeus]

well my mine is made up it will be a emperor angel. Would you put any other angel in there of say a "Poor man moorish idol" banner fish.


thanks

[asmodeus]

Sixxer what is your PH in your tank ?

Do you have a Sand bed in the tank?

Are you adding buffering to your tank?

I'm running a Kalk reactor on mine should I even bother or just run straight RODI.

[Jim_S]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6419808#post6419808 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nocturnal
Although that blue face in Jimdoggs avatar is stunning.

Thanks!

asmodeus, congrats. I'm sure you will be happy with it.

Jim

[LRS078]

I'll go with the consensus of the fellow forum members and vote for the imperator/emperor. Both can be beautiful... I just tend to favor emperors vs magestic on personal preference and on the rule of you can generally only have one per mortal tank size. A good size would be no less than 3", no more than 5" to be a good fit for the community.

Hope this helps

[Sicklid]

Emperors and Queens are prone to HLLE if the water is not kept very clean. My choice would be the Blueface or Majestic. The Blueface will bully it's other tankmates, but the Majestic is mostly quiet and reserved. A great fish.

[dchao]

Sicklid Wrote:
Go figure. Anyway, after much research, I started supplementing Lugals iodine to the tank and feeding them Nori, and the HLLE is healing nicely.

Sicklid, How is your emperor doing? Can you give us an update?

[dchao]

Hi Asmodeus,

If you are not keeping a lot of SPS in this tank, I would recommend removing the Kalk reactor, as fish doesn't need any calcium.

Lower your calcium also also let you increase alkalinity, keep alk between 11-12 dKH, and your pH will come back up in no time.

If you do need to supplement calcium, just add calcium chloride solution. Fast and simple. I keep my FOWLR at 360-380ppm, very close to NSW level.

Don't use salt mixes designed for corals, they have high concentration of calcium and trace elements, and therefore, low on alkalinity. IO is the closest to NSW and ideal for FO tank.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6423432#post6423432 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
Sixxer what is your PH in your tank ?

Do you have a Sand bed in the tank?

Are you adding buffering to your tank?

I'm running a Kalk reactor on mine should I even bother or just run straight RODI.

[asmodeus]

Cool thanks alot. Well i took off the kalk reactor. I kept it plugged in due to my RO/DI is plumbed into the reactor too as well as my topp off. I have a question in reference to the Alk how should i keep the Alk maintain to 11/12 DKH will i be using Baking soda or just keeping my Calcium down will keep the Alk up.


excellent

[dchao]

Both baking soda or marine/reef buffer will do. You'll need to keep calcium neutral, and at the same time as adding buffer and keep alkalinity high. In a FO tank, there is a lot of waste to process, specially the ammonia stuff that cannot be remoeved by the skimmer. This process will lower your pH and the only thing that can stabilise the pH is the buffer. But as it's doing that the buffer will be depleted very fast. Therefore it must be supplement manually, and quite a lot, compare to a reef tank.

[asmodeus]

ok so should i consider making the Kalk reactor into a Alk reactor by using baking soda instead of Kalkwasser... would this work.

Or shouls i not worry about the Ph and keep it at 7.9 all the time.

Or i could go back to having a softy tank.


Mike

[Sicklid]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6431105#post6431105 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dchao
Sicklid, How is your emperor doing? Can you give us an update?

The HLLE is arrested. I have also added an ozone generator to help with increased efficiency of waste removal through skimming. The water is remarkedly clearer also. Thanks for asking.


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/10512IM003269.jpg

[dchao]

asmodeus:

Your No 1 priority is to keep pH stable. If you can keep the pH stable at 7.9, that's fine. But higher the alkalinity, the less pH fluctuation, and easier for to the fish to live in. Higher alkalinity help the pH to stabilise at around 8.3.

I keep the alk at 11dKH, if the pH swings to below 8.0. I know the water quality need to be checked, maybe too much CO2.

BTW, I add buffer manually. Salt of carbonates (=buffer) dissolves in water readily, so I don't see a need for an reactor. Unlike a Kalk reactor, CO2 is used to help calcium dissolve in water.


Sicklid:

Good news, do you give any live sponge to your Emperor? Nocturnal's suggested HLLE might be diet related.

[asmodeus]

How big is your tank that you are adding the buffering too.


mike

p.s Salt of carbonates Where do you get yours from .

[plankton]

I have both a Majestic and Blue-face angels in a mixed reef and would not get rid of either. I agree that the Majestics are much more mellower than the Blue-face, but the fluorescent colors of the blue-face are just unreal.

Haven't had any problems with either fish nipping SPS, LPS or softies, but boy don't let either get at a clam.

I had 6 clams (4 crocea, 1 maxima and a giga) and it only took the blue-face 1 day to realize dinner was served; all clams had to go.

PS Have no experience with Imperator, but would like to get an interruptus someday...

Scott

[asmodeus]

I'm arunning a Bare bottom tank with my fish tank. Should i Be adding a Fine CC sand bed, the reason I'm asking is my 62 gal reef tank that i switched over to this one i took out the Sand bbed the tank was alot cleaner in the long run.

Would it be better to have the sand bed put back in to help with the ammonia to convert it over to Nitrates.

mike

Is it me of are FO tank s a little more to look out for ...:confused:

[plankton]

Much easier to run BB. Also, taking out a mature sand bed is a smelly, dangerous business.

Sugar-sized grain is best for denitrification but is easier blow about with powerful water currents; whereas, large sized grain is more stationary but is likely to trap detritus. Bare-bottom is better.

WRT filtration for a RO or ROWLR tank just do your periodic water changes, add a good protein skimmer and UV filter and that's about it.

Scott

[Sicklid]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6432817#post6432817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dchao


Sicklid:

Good news, do you give any live sponge to your Emperor? Nocturnal's suggested HLLE might be diet related.

Yes, I provide both tree sponges throughout the tank as well as turning over the LR about once a month to let the angels graze on the sponge underneath. I think that there might more to the iodine theory than meets the eye.

[dchao]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6432913#post6432913 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by asmodeus
How big is your tank that you are adding the buffering too.

I use SeaChem Reef Builder. Salts of carbonate, that's what buffer is. I like Reef Builder, because it has no immediate effect on pH, but the next day, it will stabilize around 8.2. Many other buffers I tried, I would always get mini pH spikes after adding them. IMO, any pH fluctuation is bad for the fish.

Tank size is 75G.

[asmodeus]

Well that isn't so bad, but buffering a 200 gallons of water can be expensive i think. may be not how often did you add buffering agent to the tank.

[dchao]

Try www.drsfostersmith.com

1.0Kg Reef Builder at $12.00 will treat 16,000 gallon of water.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4175&Ntt=seachem%20builder&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Np=1&pc=1&N=0&Nty=1

[asmodeus]

Yes i know what it is now stupid me , I thought of something else.

i can get some tomorrow

[dchao]

asmodeus, don't forget to turn off the calcium reactor, it's probably just pumping CO2 into the water and lowering your pH.

[asmodeus]

I dont have a Calcium reactor goin on the tank. Picking up SOme reef builder tomorrow to start dosing to get the ph up and the Alk to.


mike

[asmodeus]

Well i think that I may have changes my mind in to the Large angel. I think that i will be getting a Regal Angel and 2 leopard wrasses along with 2 henichos Butterfly the POOR man Moorish idol.

[asmodeus]

well the tank is doing great added a Atlantic blue tang to the tank and man what a sexy fish. now i have 4 tangs in there and i have a koran coming here on Monday afternoon. It starting to change too looks really nice too. here is my new list...

Atlantic blue tang 5-6 "
kole tang 4-5"
yellow tang 3-4"
scopas tang 2-3"
flame angel 2-3"
Bi color angel 2-3"
koran Angel 4-5"
2x PJ cardinal 1-2"
2 orange line chromis 4"
4 green chromis 1-1.5"
2 x blue linkia's starfish - small and large
orange brittle star - large
leopard brittle star. -large

mike