neon gobies

[rous]

hi all.i have got rid of all my fish cos i want to go to the next level of breeding.
i thought to start with best start easy so neon gobies seemed the obvious choice.has anyone succesfully done this and grew the babies onto adults or doing so at the moment.any information will be gratefully recieved.
cheers all.
dave:confused:

[ediaz]

I done it before

info?

here:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/may2003/breeder2.htm
Ed

[rous]

:rollface:
well done to you for that.i'm impressed and glad to know that i have found someone who has done it.
how many did you introduce into your tank ?
did you have much trouble feeding the babies.
these will be the only fish in my tank for a while see how it goes with the breeding.how many managed to survive.
kind regards
dave
:smokin:

[ediaz]

to pair up, in a 40 gal. tank 3-5 fish. Then watch them. they are raised same way as clownfishes not really difficult. place some pvc cuts in the tank, if you don't they will spawn elsewhere and you will have to collect the larvae.

Ed

[rous]

can you not just leave them to it as there is loads of living rock in the tank?

[ediaz]

you can do that, I have seen it before by people not interested in raising them, they will choose a spot and spawn and you might not even notice until you find the larvae in the tank.

Ed

[rous]

if i let them get on with it themselves in the tank whats the chance of survival.
if i do manage to breed them to a decent size obviously i dont want to get overcrowded with them are they easy to offload for a few bucks each?
i do like them so will keep some but obviously as my tank is 45 gallons there is only so many you can keep .

[ediaz]

the chance of survival will be good if you collect the larvae from the tank. Yes you will be able to sell your product.

Ed

[rous]

i dont have another tank to use for a nursery tank so would a breeding trap do the trick or should i go get another small setup .i ask because this will be my first attempt at breeding marine fish and havnt a clue apart from what you tell me and the information im reading on the internet.as you have done this allready i would rather take your advice than read a books etc.
im not taking this lightly thou i do want this to be a success and go on to try other fish aswell at a later date.

[fishieness]

did you have to take out the unpaired ones? ive been thinking of getting 2-3 for my 40 gallon to go with my false perc pair.

[David M]

Rous- you are going to have to pull the nest or collect the larvae and transfer to a rearing tank for any realistic chance of raising the fish. The odds of any surviving in the parent tank are astronomical. Also while ediaz is a nice guy and very knowledgable you are going to have to read a book (or ten) if you really want to do this :D

[rsman]

eew books how 1900's

[rous]

:bum:
well i do want to do this so looks like a nursery tank is in order.any idea's on what size tank i should get to use for rearing the babies.
many thanks for all your help on this guys much appreciated.

just out of interest has anyone ever bread lionfish.just curious thats all.:lol:
thanks again
dave

[rous]

:fish1: has anyone actually tried leaving them in the adult tank ,i only have neon gobies no other fish and loads of living rock.
as they breed so regular i might leave the first batch in the tank and just see what happens and then the next batch will be in the breeding tank.be interesting to compare the two and see what the difference is in survival rate if any.
they dont get removed in the wild so think ill try it and see.

anyone know different then by all means please say.
tara for the noo
dave

[Bret61081]

Not trying to seal your thread, but about a month ago I aquired a pair of neon Gobys. I just set up a 10G refugium and was considering movingthem down there so if they did lay eggs, they would have a better chance of survival since the GPH through the refugium is only 40-50PGH and the water goes back to the main system from the top....what do you think? think any would live?

[Jon Lazar]

Rous,

I've only begun to try to raise neon gobies, so I'm no expert. I will say though that I've done a fair bit of research into it. From everything I've read, you have virtually no chance of successfully raising neon gobies by just letting them hatch out in your display tank.

There's a lot of reasons, but the number one is that they'll starve in a few days once their egg yolk is depleted. Gobies are small fish with very small mouths, so even copepods are too large for them to eat. Gobies stay small a lot longer than other common captive bred fish, so this feeding challenge lasts a long time.

You're right that the goby larva aren't removed in the wild, but that's why most of them die. Goby pairs in the wild will lay tens of thousands of eggs over their reproductive lifetime, and only a handfull of those eggs survive to become reproducing adults. Sounds like the only predators you'll have in your tank is the parents which will help initially, but you still won't have enough food of the right size and nutrition to keep them long.

I wish you luck though. Maybe you'll discover a new way of raising them.

Regards,
Jon

[Fishboy42]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6545548#post6545548 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rous
:fish1: has anyone actually tried leaving them in the adult tank

I've done it with gobies and clowns several times, but not with any hopes that they would survive (they all die 100% of the time). Nature and our aquariums are very different things--even if they were, we would expect a VERY small percentage to survive anyway (most die in nature). I would suggest removing them to a larval tank (I'd recommend a 10g tank) and feeding rotifers for better chances of survival. For information that could also be applied to gobies, you may want to check out Joyce Wilkerson's book: Clownfishes. Hope this helps and good luck!

-Matt

[Fishboy42]

Sorry Jon, not trying to repeat you--didn't see your post there...:)

[rous]

thanks for the info ill take it all in and will remember it and i can allways come back to here if in trouble.
got the book called clownfishes by joyce wilkerson this morning and have allready gone through the first 30 pages.good book and excellent reading.
thanks all
dave

[fishieness]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6542691#post6542691 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishieness
did you have to take out the unpaired ones? ive been thinking of getting 2-3 for my 40 gallon to go with my false perc pair.
hey guys and gals, i guess you didnt see my post. should you remove them like you would bangaiis? or will they all get along?

[Jon Lazar]

fishiness,

All the literature says that unmated neon gobies will constantly harass one another, even in tanks as large as 100g. I haven't tried it myself because the experts are very clear that it doesn't work.

Jon

[Flash Fish]

Hi,

some good info here.


http://gobiidae.com/breeding_c_pers.htm

[mark97r6]

Nice link, but dont be getting ideas of replicating the 5000g system!! Lol

Keep reading, and keep going back to ediaz link, thats a really good one.
I have a pair of Neon gobies that i am sure are spawning, but never seen a nest in the 55g tank. They are displaying simular behaviour to my spawning dottybacks (P.fridmani) darting in and out of a rockpile.

I plan on setting up a simple, small tank and have these as my next breeding project, so keep sharing.

If i were you, and you are serious about having a go. Then have a go at running a few cultures, you can always feed them to your tank. Though in order to feed any larvae, you have to be able to raise some food. This takes up quite a bit of tank space on its own! (though can be done in confinds).

Good luck, keep posting any progress and keep sharing links.
Mark

[fishieness]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6559825#post6559825 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jon Lazar
fishiness,

All the literature says that unmated neon gobies will constantly harass one another, even in tanks as large as 100g. I haven't tried it myself because the experts are very clear that it doesn't work.

Jon
thanks, i didnt think so, but i wasnt sure, and id be kinda worried cause i dont know if i can catch a few 1.5 inch fish in my 40 breeder with 80 pounds of live rock. its all little pieces too, so pleanty of little holes.