Auto feeding

[Kathy55g]

Now that I have multiple (3) batches of juveniles, and I am going to Italy in a few weeks, I need to get some automatic feeding in place. (I will be having people coming in to check on the juveniles, and do some basic maintainance, but I need to make it as simple and easy on them as possible).

If you use automatic feeders, which ones do you like, and which kind of food do you use?

Do you like the pelleted food better than the flake for using with the feeders? Which brands are best?

How do you manage this aspect?

Thanks,
Kathy

[ediaz]

Uso il eheim vedo il collegamento:

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=EH3581
per il mio goldfish

con le palline, l'alimento del fiocco tende ad attaccare all'alimentatore. Inoltre uso come le tazze della medicina con alimento premisurato per la mia moglie alimentarsi quando sono assente.

Edgardo
































I use eheim see link: for my goldfish
with pellets, flake food tends to stick to the feeder.

I also use like medicine cups with premeasured food for my wife to feed when i am away.

Ed

[NicoleC]

Will the juveniles be big enough for pellets by then?

[Kathy55g]

I think it depends on the size of the pellet. That is one reason I am asking, to see if there is a good pellet that is tiny enough, but works for the feeders.

[Kathy55g]

I have one feeder that works well with flake, but it is expensive and uses electricity instead of batteries, and it doesn't have very many places to feed 3x per day for very many days. I am thinking of getting feeders similar to the eheim, and using tiny pellets, if that is what will work. I was wondering what everyone else does.

[jacob30]

I like eheim with flake, pellet and algae mix! WQorks just fine on my reef.

Jacob

[Fishboy42]

For small pellets, you may want to try one of these?

marinegro small pellet
New life spectrum small pellet
Boyds vita diet slow sinking crumble

I haven't used them with feeders, but the pellets/crumbles are small enough that the young clowns are able to eat them.

-Matt

[Kathy55g]

Thank you, Matt. where do you get these?

[Fishboy42]

I think I ordered them from petsolutions and thatpetplace, but I think they are available through several online vendors. Those types work well for me because the quantities are reasonable. Lots of good postlarval diets are available, but I'm not ready yet to buy 50# bags of feed! I really just use these as a supplement and as a quick alternative in the mornings :rolleyes: to the extra work of defrosting my homemade food.

http://www.thatpetplace.com/Products/KW/F29RX/Class/Fish+Supplies+Food/T1/F29RX+0092+0015/EDP/46541/Itemdy00.aspx

http://www.petsolutions.com/Spectrum+Small+Fish+Formula-I-87940910-I-C-18-C-.aspx

http://chat.thatpetplace.com/Products/KW/F41,MAN0462/Class/Fish+Supplies+Vibragro+Fish+Food/T1/F41+0462+0605/EDP/46604/Itemdy00.aspx

[Dman]

If your looking for pellets small enough for babies, Otohime is the way to go, IMHO. Graded sized, should be a no brainer.

[Fishboy42]

Sorry to hijack, but...
Dman, I've been considering otohime, do you get it from Reed Mariculture? Do you see good color/growth using it as a staple? Thanks

[Kathy55g]

Not hijack. I'm interested.

[ediaz]

Good that Dman brings that up...

I was testing some of that food for a friend,

The grading is exellent, there is a good larvae and post larvae feeding response , the density is perfect, it floats when you want it to float and it sinks slowly if you create some water movement for those that never surface to eat.

Color enhancing properties are amazing, even when it derivates from Euphausia.

The fish grow faster, development is faster and it really boosts the inmune system.

There is no need for cyclopeeze or any other color enhancing food, Naturose etc...F1 or whatever you are using now.There is no need for other foods whatsoever.


I have been a Ziegler user for more than 8 years and I am switching to it. Another advantage over Ziegler is that you don't have to custumize the diet, it is just complete and the packaging is home breeder friendly, others require buying pounds of it.

Stop reading this and go get some!

Ed

[NicoleC]

That's an amazing review. The problem is that for small operations, a 2 kg bag is WAY too much food, especially when you need to try out different sizes. I would like to try it.

Anyone want to do a group buy, try several sizes, and split the packages up? Then maybe we can try the different sizes for the price of one package.

[Kathy55g]

yes!

But Ed, What is Ziegler?

[Kathy55g]

i think i would like A, B1, and B2. Nicole, since you live in CA, the initial shipping to you would be cheaper... I will pay for part of that shiping and whatever it is to get it to St. Louis.

[ediaz]

I think you missed this part


"complete and the packaging is home breeder friendly"

It's been sold in 3oz. botlles, for less than you pay for a cyclopeeze can and it lasts twice.

Ziegler it's one of the best commercial food fish weaning diets, it can be custumized to anything you want , boost inmune, color enhancing etc. They started with bird pellets back in the 80's ( best bird food by the way) and later developed fish diets.

Ed

[Kathy55g]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6709886#post6709886 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
Good that Dman brings that up...

Color enhancing properties are amazing, even when it derivates from Euphausia.

What is Euphausia?

The fish grow faster, development is faster and it really boosts the inmune system.

How did you test for the immune system part?

Stop reading this and go get some!

Ed

OK!

[Kathy55g]

I have only seen it at Reed Mariculture by the kilogram. Where do you find it in 3 oz bottles?

[NicoleC]

Aquatic Eco sells it, too, but also big bags.

[Kathy55g]

They don't carry A and B1 is out of stock....

[Fishboy42]

Great review, especially considering the reviewer! I'd be in for a group buy, but is there a way to buy smaller amounts? (I only know of aquaticeco and reed selling it, are there others?) I guess I could buy the ~4.5 pounds, but that is a lot of food, and a group buy would allow each of us to try several sizes.

[Luis A M]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6703515#post6703515 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
Uso il eheim vedo il collegamento:

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=EH3581
per il mio goldfish

con le palline, l'alimento del fiocco tende ad attaccare all'alimentatore. Inoltre uso come le tazze della medicina con alimento premisurato per la mia moglie alimentarsi quando sono assente.

Edgardo



Adesso parli anche italiano!?:eek1: Ma come,il tuo cognome non e proprio dalla terra del Dante:confused:

You keep surprising us all,Ed!:D

[NicoleC]

Euphausia -> A species of krill

[ediaz]

No estarias tan sorprendido Luis, si supieras que me tradujo alguien que trabaja conmigo

Maybe if I post in italian that the feed comes in 3 oz. little bottles as little as a s strain rotifer they will ge it...

Kathy , I send fish monthly to a lab to be tested as a precaution, kind of a necropsy(like autopsy) is really very economical and reassuring.

Ed

[Kathy55g]

Thanks, Ed. I am an ugly american and don't know other languages. A little French, even less Japanese, I am listening to Italian tapes in prep for the trip, but alas, I am still ugly.

WHERE can we get Otohime, 3 oz. bottles? Really, we cannot find it!

[jnowell]

I'd also go in on the group buy thing. Let me know how much I owe and it will be on the way! I like the size choices mentioned already.

Jason

[Fishboy42]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6712084#post6712084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kathy55g

WHERE can we get Otohime, 3 oz. bottles? Really, we cannot find it!

Oui, vraiment, nous ne pouvons pas le trouver!

Uh, ditto, and good to have you aboard Jason!

[Kathy55g]

Cannot post site. Against rules. :-(

[Dman]

Other than the fact that I'm in Canada, I could probably help out as I have all of the sizes below C2 on hand.
Dman

[seafarm]

Reed Mariculture is the master distributor of Otohime for North and South America. I think I can say that without breaking any rules.

[Dman]

Edited by me
Dman

[NicoleC]

I ordered B1, B2, C1 and C2 today -- somewhere in there should be the right size! I hope my YWG likes it; he must be tired of cyclopeeze but isn't interested in anything else I've offered.

[jnowell]

I got A and B2, can't wait until it arrives. I need all the help I can get! :D After payday, I'll restock on ChlorAmX and get some of the larger sizes too.

[Dman]

For most clowns C2 should be about as big as you'll need Once you get into EP1 or 2 the little ones should be big enough to take to market.
I've found that A is a critical size, as it's about halfway between a rotifer and CE, the perfect size to get most clowns through metamorphosis.
Dman

[Kathy55g]

Do you still use NHBS?

[Dman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6716704#post6716704 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kathy55g
Do you still use NHBS?
Nope

[Luis A M]

[QUOTE]<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6711637#post6711637 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
No estarias tan sorprendido Luis, si supieras que me tradujo alguien que trabaja conmigo

Ed [/QUOTE

Reason of my surprise is that it was very good italian,as only some literate native could write,not any translation programs!:D

Ed,are you pretty positive of Otohime being superior to Zeigler?Have you run actual side by side experiments with both?.:confused:

Yeah,I know,I have to get some and see by myself!:p

[jnowell]

That's good to hear DMan! you're the second experienced breeder I've heard say that. I only used BBS as a transitional food for about 3 days with my last batch, and they are doing well. My Otihime should be here in time for the next hatch, so I may try that. Thanks!

[Dman]

Saves HUGE headaches associated with NHBS. Not to mention the fact that I was terrible at it. :D
Dman

[Kathy55g]

I don't mind doing rotifers, but i hate BBS. this is very good news.

[Kathy55g]

Dman,
In one of my earlier threads, you said that you thought Otohime made your fish jumpy.
Do you not find that to still be true?

[Dman]

Definately, but i didn't really become a problem until they were big enough to jump outta the tanks. When they are smaller, eating up to C1 to C2 they ate feeding frenzy style, which the jumpiness probably helped.
Dman

[ediaz]

LOL Luis, es bueno tener traductoras en todos los idiomas;-)

Yes, I did kind of a test, the tank was divided in half with a screen mesh several layers to get a screen size small enough to keep the larvae from swiming thru, they shared the water, rots artemia, ammonia etc. About half the batch in each side, they were fed through a pipe to avoid food going to the other side. One side is being feed Ziegler and the other Otohime , still are. I am on my second batch using this tank.

As for eliminating artemia from the diet, I think it should be fed for at least a few days, in small quantities but still used, I had a problem once with a batch and talking to Martin he suggested to limit the artemia because brineshrimp napulii will create a lot of fat and oil in the late and post larvae that accumulates in the gut
mesentaries and liver. Instead of reducing it I did not offered any artemia to the next batch, got a lot of deformities and underdevelopment form that batch. I think larvae should be weaned into dry food early but artemia should not be eliminated from the diet. Keep in mind it was only one batch.

Ed

[Kathy55g]

Ed, did you notice jumpiness?

So do you feed NHBS and Otohime together until you are pretty sure they are taking dry food and then quit the NHBS, or how do you decide when to quit the NHBS?

[Luis A M]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6718060#post6718060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kathy55g
I don't mind doing rotifers, but i hate BBS. this is very good news.
Well,I don´t hate Artemia,but I suspect that we can track some of our larval/juvs rearing problems to the use of too much or poorly enriched bs.
Those that have read my old report of YT damsel rearing in Reef UK know that I could only make it when I skipped bs whatsoever.
So now some people is purposely raising clowns without bs?This is kinda revolution in "standard"rearing protocols.Who started and since when?.It´s amazing nobody posted about it here before.This "bs less"method is inherent to the use of Otohime or could any other good feed work as well?.
Would be great to have developers/users of this method comment it.:thumbsup:

[jnowell]

Well Luis, I'm far from a developer of any method, but I did use Ed's 2-3 days of artemia method on my last hatch, and I was using powdered Formula 1 and Formula 2 (75% - 25% respectively)

I messed up and put a hang on filter on the tank too early, with too high a flow rate (yep, I'm new to this) and killed probably 75% of the fry. I have 24 left, and they are as big as the earlier set that is 1 month older. These older fry were fed BBS for almost 2 weeks before switching to dry foods (F1 and F2 aslo).

Looking at them side by side, I tend to think the set that got less BBS are developing faster. Oddly enough, though it's probably unrelated, the set with very little BBS are a lot less aggressive towards each other. I've had several sibling rivalry casualties from the first set, and none from this one.

Keep in mind, these are my 3rd and 5th hatches, so take all of this data as it is, inexperienced at best! Unlike Ed's experiemnt, mine were in different water, with different densities of fry in each tank. Both tanks recieved the same number of cleanings, feedings, and water changes, and were at the same temp. The higher stocked fry are the faster developing ones. I only have 5 left from the heavy BBS fed batch. If not for my mistake, I would probably have 100 fry from the batch that only got 3 days of artemia.

[ediaz]

That is a good topic for discussion Luis,

In my opinion artemia is here to stay but a technique that does not require artemia does not sounds bad, I was talking to somebody who practically told me not to use it. I beleive for a couple of days, transition days, is still necesary, also I suspect that the people skipping the artemia fed rotifers for a longer period.

Even when Mark Cosme in '98 got away with raising clownfishes with dry foods since day one, artemia was mandatory to bring the larvae up through meatamorphosis.

The artemia feeding technique is still widely used by hatcheries who will benefit form dry feeds.

For non clownfish species it may be detrimental as suggested by Moe, but I also witnessed 100s of thousands of dottybacks heavely fed artemia with not problem in survival and or development.

Maybe we should discuss it at IMAC if you come this year, we will be there.

Ed

[Kathy55g]

i will be there.

[Dman]

Seeing as this thread has careened way off topic, anyone interested in starting a new thread regarding Otohime and NHBS/artemia?
Perhaps Frank can split the thread up somehow?
I too am doing everything in my power to be in Chicago for IMAC
Dman

[David Thomson]

I have been using Otohime for a while now also. The fish love it. I love the bottles that reeds sell's this stuff in too. The flip top makes it very easy to controll how much you are adding to the tank, and clean and fast to use.

I think you are correct that the "jumpyness" is more of a training of the fish to go into a feeding frenzy. If you are like me I often feed them from the same spot, and when they see the container they get really worked up, and start fighting to get to the surface of the water. Often time jumping out if the lid does not get closed right after adding food.

[Kathy55g]

My order of Otohime came in and my fish seem to like it, although there is not the feeding frenzy just yet.

I am a little disappointed at the automatic feeders. The ones that are battery operated rotate, but dump too much food at once. I don't think I can use them....

[NicoleC]

They didn't ship mine until yesterday. I'm a little miffed, especially after I was told ti would ship Monday. It's hard to believe you got yours first!

[Kathy55g]

I think they are understaffed. I asked for the sampler, but did not get it. I did place two orders though. first B1 and B2 and C1, and then I later ordered A. They all came in one box along with the chloramX that was on sale. That was better that they came in one box with one shipping charge, than getting the sampler.

It is hard, since you are in CA, to believe that I got mine first.

[jnowell]

That IS strange, mine shows to have arrived here in town, and will be "out for delivery" in the morning. I ordered mine Saturday and it shipped Monday...I wonder what happened to Nicole's order.

I got wind that our year end bonuses will be here next week :D God only knows what I will blow mine on, but I can't wait. Randy will probably get some of it, and of course my seahorses will get ordered also.

[NicoleC]

These things happen, and it wasn't as if I was in a huge rush. I just wish these things didn't always happen with my Reed orders. They are always nice and apologetic when I say something, but I don't want nice, I want my order when I expect it, especially when they TELL me when to expect it!

It's not that I dislike the company -- but at this point I would never give them an urgent order.

[Peter Schmiedel]

I increased the difficulty level as I have a Belgium Credi Card but it will be shipped to a US friend. Received information that part is in backorder, so so far all looks perfekt.

[NicoleC]

I got my Otohime today. The clowns loved it! B2 is perfect for 5-6 week old clowns. My only complaint was it sunk really fast and a LOT ended up on the bottom. I usually have a couple of reluctant bottom feeders, but when I came back 10 minutes later there was NONE left on the bottom.

I got way to omuch out of the bottle, so I fed it to my adults, too. They were equally as enthusiastic. Of course, it did not sink in the reef tank and floated long enough to go down the overflow. :rolleye1:

Lad the goby got B1 mixed with CE -- I didn't see which one he ate.

[Kathy55g]

My 5 week clowns seem to prefer B1. My 5 month clowns like the B2. I should try the C1 on them again. That was the first one I tried, and they just looked at it. But they had always gotten flake before, so maybe they just thought it was strange.

How do you know how much A to feed the really young ones? I am not sure my 2 week clowns are eating it, although, today it is the only food they got, and they appear to have reasonably full bellies.

Does anyone use the floating feeding rings to feed this stuff? I am finding that it helps to keep it out of the overflow. Gives the fish a chance to eat it.

I, too, found that the food sinks pretty fast. At the end of the day I have a pile to siphon up.

[jnowell]

Got mine yesterday, tried B1 on my 5 week olds, they ran from it :) Tried some A just to see, and they ate it like crazy. This morning, i put a little A in there to get them feeding, and added B1 and they ate most of it. Mine aren't bottom feeding yet, but I can hope. The 2 month olds ate the B1 right off the bat.

After watching how fast it disperses through the tank, I am planning on trying a feeding ring. I lost some to the overflow, but mostly just due to sinking. Mine all eat in one area, so 3/4 of the food sank in other parts of the tank. Thank goodness my flow rounds it up into a nice small circle after a few minutes. I did see a few of them sniffing around the food on the bottom, hopefully they will figure out bottom feeding.

Had another hatch last night, I think they will get BBS for 2 days at day 6-7 (mixed with Otahime A), and then just A until they are ready for B1. We'll see how it goes, what are you guys planning for your new fry?

[jwreffner]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6767975#post6767975 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kathy55g

Does anyone use the floating feeding rings to feed this stuff? I am finding that it helps to keep it out of the overflow. Gives the fish a chance to eat it.

I use a feeding ring...but for flake and pellet foods...keeps the food from hitting the overflow. I would recommend one.

[jwreffner]

Maybe I missed the post, but does Reed or someone else sell smaller quantities of Otohime?

[Kathy55g]

You missed it because we can't post it. You do, however, have pm.
Cheers,
Kathy

[jwreffner]

Oh cool...Thanks Kathy!

[NicoleC]

The goby ate the Otohime! Hooray!

[Kathy55g]

:bounce1::bounce2::bounce3:

[jnowell]

How cool is that Nicole! :D

BTW, hasn't Lad set a new record for gobies for you?

[NicoleC]

He IS the new record. I'm just concerned about his development being so slow.

[spk]

I am green with envy. I am not back in the US till end of March. I will try and get some of the Otohime.

Sounds as if you are all having success with it.

Steve

[Luis A M]

What is metamorphosis?
A greek word to describe how an "auto feeding"thread became fully devoted to Otohine:D

I want to try it too.What sizes you advice for:
Post MMP up to 4-6 weeks
grow-out and ocellaris broodstock
Large clowns broodstock.

Thanks:)

[NicoleC]

A1/B1 for clowns on BBS.
B1/B2 for the bigger post-MMP clowns up to about 8 weeks, I'm guessing.
My broodstock eats anything, but the C2 was a nice small pellet for the ocellaris clowns.

[Lance one]

Otohime sounds great! Could someone email me the supplier?Kathy ?, Jason? Thanks in advance!

What sizes would you guys reccommend from day 7 and up?

[ediaz]

Luis amigo

Get A B1, B2, C1 C2

Start larvae with A and then youll see it is easy to choose the next feed.

B1 has mixed sizes to big for early larvae fish.

The diet is intented for marine fish larvae, not for broostock, it may help as a supplement.

Ed

[jwreffner]

Ed,
Are you proposing using Otohime as a substitute for Rotifers for newly hatched clowns???

Thanks,
Jay

[ediaz]

No,

As soon as the larvae take dry foods begin feeding A, it is the smallest by itself.

Ed

[Armando]

I'm going to try these.

The Fish Gods must love me, as I seem to spend a fortune raising fish for no profit :D

[jwreffner]

Ed,
Thank you for the clarification.

Jay

[seafarm]

Hi Nicole,

I'm sorry that our shipment to you was less than perfect. Most of our staff (including me) were in Las Vegas last week for the World Aquaculture / Marine Ornamentals conference and poor Kathy (my office manager) did the best she could to get all the orders out.

We do prioritize our shipments based on the type of products:
1) Live organism (rotifers, copepods, etc)
2) Perishable products (algae)
3) Non perishable products

Unfortunately you fell into category 3 and since there was no message indicating you had a critical overnight need, it would have gone to the bottom of the pile. If it was a live organism you would have seen a different level of service to your order.

We take customer service VERY seriously and I hope we can do much better on your next order.

Thank you,

Randy

[Peter Schmiedel]

@all

based on your experience what is the earliest day you could use A1 as the only food for fry?

[ediaz]

Kathy rocks, I should send her some fish...

[Armando]

My order was processed and shipped very fast.

The bummer is that it will take 7 days to get here. You guys there on the west coast have all the fun, not fair! :D

[jaybro]

I just get B2 and grind it to the size I need. In addition, I mix with ground cyclops flake and ground spirulina flake. (I just started adding otihime a few months back though, I love it so far.)

They go from rots, to the mix above+rots, to just the mix over a transition period of 1-2 weeks, starting at about 7-9 days on average.

I've raised a few batches of bangais in the same manner (though the transition off of live feeds takes longer). I've not had to hatch artemia in going on two years. /cheer for one less daily task to do!

[Kathy55g]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6792163#post6792163 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
Kathy rocks, I should send her some fish...

Darn, you weren't talking about ME!

[jwreffner]

Kathy55g...

I think you rock! When I get some clowns going I'll send you some ;)

[NicoleC]

Oh yeah, just what she needs, MORE FISH!

[Kathy55g]

LOL

[jwreffner]

lol...gotta keep the ladies happy ;)

[Dman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6791380#post6791380 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Schmiedel
@all

based on your experience what is the earliest day you could use A1 as the only food for fry?

Depending on the species, I'm using rots and A1 by day 10 at the latest for Premnas and B&W O's, and by day 10 exclusively to tomatoe and ocellaris complexes.

[Luis A M]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6784771#post6784771 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
Luis amigo

Get A B1, B2, C1 C2

Start larvae with A and then youll see it is easy to choose the next feed.

B1 has mixed sizes to big for early larvae fish.

The diet is intented for marine fish larvae, not for broostock, it may help as a supplement.

Ed

Thanks,so I need 5 sizes.I heard somebody mention Randy makes small samplers for people uncertain about the right particle size:confused:
I currently use just three Zeigler crumbs as a staple for all fish,ranging in size from post larval clowns to large clowns and marine bettas.
Ed,you say that being it designed for juvs,it won´t be right for broodstock,but perhaps it could be just fine?

[ediaz]

Hola Luis,

I use the 5 sizes, I always try to feed my fish the "corerect" size not to big or not too small, in my experience too big they can't swallow, too small they spend too much time feeding on it.

Zeigler makes crumbles for fish, grown fish, we used everywhere but I don't recall using it in broodstock, maybe we did since brood stock had yellow tags( mean crumbles).

Yo creo que puedes usar Othoime como algo por el lado, un extra.

If you look at the ingredients you will see is not enough to keep brood stock conditioned.

Ed

[Luis A M]

Gracias Ed,voy a ver si Randy me manda unas muestras;)
I feed my broodstock crumble as a standard,though not only food,I offer fresh seafood and other stuff.
But my grow-out is fed just Zeigler top dressed with some asthax.and squid oil.
You found clowns colour good enough with Otohine?

[ediaz]

El color es amazing, and true to the specie, I dare to say better than with cyclopeeze, and ocellaris become orange not bright red as I have seen with cyclo.

Ed

[Dman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6802237#post6802237 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
El color es amazing, and true to the specie, I dare to say better than with cyclopeeze, and ocellaris become orange not bright red as I have seen with cyclo.

Ed
I've noticed the same thing, my ocellaris are orange, like they're supposed to be, not red like they were with CE.

Judging by the reaction I noticed in my older juvenile's behaviour, I would NEVER feed this to my broodstock.

I'm also using the 5 smaller sizes. A through C2

[Kathy55g]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6804322#post6804322 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dman
I've noticed the same thing, my ocellaris are orange, like they're supposed to be, not red like they were with CE.

Judging by the reaction I noticed in my older juvenile's behaviour, I would NEVER feed this to my broodstock.

...

And the reaction was________________???

[Dman]

Sorry,
It made the bigger ones jumpy, as in one or two per day were found dehydrated on the floor several feet from the growout tanks.
Most of my spawning pairs are jumpy enough as it is and I've lost six individual fish to suicide (including two beautiful B&W O's) they really don't need any encouragement.
I wish I had the time to dig deeper into the nutritional element of this obsession as it would help me to figure out the how's and why's of all the components. As it stands right now I only have a rudimentary grasp at best.

[Kathy55g]

First comes the observation, then the understanding. When you find out let us know.

I am feeding my older juveniles O. C1 for about a week now. I haven't noticed any change yet in their behavior. I do keep eggcrate over their tank. I plan to have most of them sold after this weekend, so I guess I will not find out.

[NicoleC]

I've only been feeding the Otohime exclusively since Friday eve, but I have noticed some loss of color. They are still a nice orange... just not quite so neon!

I have noticed a LOT less poop to siphon out; almost none at all and it is very fine. Some of the CE seemed to go straight through. This has had a good effect on water quality; I've been siphoning and water changing quite a bit less.

Other than increased excitement at feeding time, I've noticed no behavioral changed yet. I only have a few that don't come up to the top to eat now.

[Kathy55g]

At day 6 I fed my guys a sprinkling of OtoA (twice daily) and then later I gave them their first NHBS.
At day 7 in the morning, I repeated.
Day 7 evening, I gave them their otohime, and then a couple of hours later, I went to feed them NHBS, and their bellies looked like they would explode. I did not feed the NHBS.
This morning, day 8, I woke to find all the larvae swimming in the middle (I've always had a population that like to hang on the sides). Still looking somewhat full, I fed them the Otohime. What fun! The feeding frenzy! They appear to love it. It really seems like they are ALL eating it. If I go down in an hour and they are literally stuffed to the gills, I think I will quit the NHBS.

[Kathy55g]

I have also noticed a loss of brilliance particularly in the 6 week juvies. I am not sure if I like that part of the Otohime experience. I may just sneak a little cyclo in there on occasion.

[GreshamH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6801470#post6801470 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Luis A M
Thanks,so I need 5 sizes.I heard somebody mention Randy makes small samplers for people uncertain about the right particle size:confused:
I currently use just three Zeigler crumbs as a staple for all fish,ranging in size from post larval clowns to large clowns and marine bettas.
Ed,you say that being it designed for juvs,it won´t be right for broodstock,but perhaps it could be just fine?

This is true, but, you need to send an email to us, asking for this (sampler). Include my name in it, as I'm the one making this offer (not listed on our site, only being offerred to you all).

[Kathy55g]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6802237#post6802237 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
El color es amazing, and true to the specie, I dare to say better than with cyclopeeze, and ocellaris become orange not bright red as I have seen with cyclo.

Ed

Is this the red you are speaking of?
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/56462IMG_0941.jpg

I gave these guys cyclo and F1.

[Armando]

I finally got the Otohime yesterday and dropped some for my Bangaii fry.

They were somewhat excited but most didn't eat it. I think I was more excited than the fish :D

[jwreffner]

lol...yeah, I too am usually more excited than the fish are...guess that is why fish don't keep fish tanks inside their tanks ;)