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MadTownMax
05/23/2006, 12:04 PM
On Monday, May 29th - Memorial day, I will be sponsoring a free seminar on how to move a tank!

Well, maybe I'm not a professional, but I have moved tanks a total of 4-times in the last two years - all successful moves without any coral or fish losses ;)

The seminar will begin at my current residence on Washington Street - right behind Newark Library - and will end at my new residence on Choate street - the street (off of main street) that Klondike Kate's is on ;)

The plan:

I'll have the tank broken down to bare-minium equipment - heaters and in-tank circulation. I'll be distributing about 30-gallons of water into whatever containers people bring - the more people - the easier it will be. Then corals/rocks will be distributed to the containers - we haul all of this over to the new place, put in the 30-gallons of pre-mixed saltwater I will have waiting, and put everything back in.

People who have expressed interest so far are:

bloopbloop
kaptken
mbbuna
Safir
nanoreef16g

Free Burgers and beer or soda for attendees :beer: :eek1: I'll also be serving some of Wisconsin's Finest - Beer Brats!

Please reply in this thread so I know how much food and drink to get - also let me know what time would work better for you - before Noon or after noon -

If you're bringing buckets/coolers/other containers let me know - I have two buckets and a rubbermaid container, nr16g has a few buckets, and bloop's got a BBB (Big Blue Bucket), and possibly mbbuna with a few coolers - that would probably cover it, but a few extra buckets wouldn't hurt.

nanoreef16g
05/23/2006, 01:23 PM
I've got the 2 5 gallon buckets and that 3 gallon jug you gave me. You know I'd prefer after noon man but whatever is good for everyone. I'll also have 2 helpers with me so it should go okay. My Suburban isn't exactly pristine so anything you want to put in the back is fine with me. I've got some sweet zoa frags ready to go for you so we need to get you up and running.

kaptken
05/23/2006, 03:24 PM
noonish sounds good for me, but whenever works out for everyone is fine too. Ive got some extra buckets to bring. soon as i find the lids. looks like 2 instant ocean 6 gallon buckets and perhaps a couple other 5's. plus i got a 7 gallon blue cube water jug i bought long time ago to make a top off system with. never been used. I'll have them all cleaned and sterilzed and rinsed and ready to go. so figure at least 25 gallons worth.

oh, i also have my old big white120 quart fishing cooler. would be good for the rock. rope handles on it.

Hey we can loosely wrap the corals in plastic bags and set in the buckets of water to transport. that way they dont roll around and break the tips. Have you got lots of clean plastic bags?

Safir
05/23/2006, 04:18 PM
i've got two insulated boxes used to ship me my LR, and some 5gal buckets - they arent particularly clean, but are fish-only so they are "safe"

got a 6.75 ft bed on the truck so i can carry pretty much anything - we just need to get the stuff in there out temporarally.

any time is fine - lost my job so my one concern is no more *lol*

MadTownMax
05/23/2006, 09:58 PM
awesome guys :thumbsup:

kaptken and safir - I'm going to stick to the 5-gallon buckets for this one - sounds like we'll have plenty between us for all of the water and rock:

- 22 gallons between me and nr16g
- another 25 from ken makes 57 gallons

the whole tank :lol: sounds like we have it covered - A few more buckets from Safir and then each one will only have to be about 1/2-full - which means "nice and light" to me :D

almost all of the corals are attached to large rocks, so separarating them won't be an option - just one large rock/bucket will probably be perfect - I'll toss all the small pieces in the bottom of a small container or another bucket.

I got the OK from the guys there now to install the RO/DI and start filling the trash can (tomorrow night) so everything will be ready!

kaptken
05/23/2006, 10:37 PM
Safir,
its easy to clean buckets . just put a couple inches of water in it. then add a splash of bleach and scrub it clean with a hand cloth or better still, some polyester filter matte. then rinse with fresh water a couple times and dry out. we should do that now and then to stop bacteria and stuff. if you are real persnickedy, you could even dechlorinate as the last step with fresh water and a touch of dechlorinator.

clean buckets make for happy tanks. I learned that from fishing and boating. If you dont clean your fish or beer cooler with a little bleach and then rinse and leave openand upside down to the air to dry, while the boat sits there in the water and sun all week., you just might get a case of the green apple two steps the following week when you drop your beer and ice in for the next weekend.

Painful lesson. I wouldn't reccomend it..

mbbuna
05/24/2006, 12:08 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7422190#post7422190 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MadTownMax
On Monday, May 29th - Memorial day, I will be sponsoring a free seminar on how to move a tank!


Nick!! you are brilliant!!:lol:

ill bring 2 coolers and buckets at what ever time you all pick;)

MadTownMax
05/24/2006, 08:09 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7426376#post7426376 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kaptken
you just might get a case of the green apple two steps the following week when you drop your beer and ice in for the next weekend.

Painful lesson. I wouldn't reccomend it..


FWIW - I am an accomplished grill master and beer meister so no one should have any kind of strange dance after eating my cooking :p


- the beer may have other plans though :eek: :beer: :eek:

MadTownMax
05/24/2006, 09:28 PM
The good: I checked out the basement - looks like the beams are solid (4X10 or 12's)- it even has a few extra support braces next to where I plan to put the tank.

The Bad: water pressure looks really weak - too weak to supply my RO filter - I tried today :(

?question? If i move the feed line about 10-feet closer and connect directly to the city water line (now separated by 1/2" copper pipe and a few valves) - will I see a big difference?

It may be possible that the RO membrane is a little old - but it worked flawlessly at my current place - putting out about 1.5-gallons an hour. At the very least I can by-pass the RO membrane and just use the pre-filters to make the water for moving- they'll remove most things and chlorine. Luckily incoming nitrates were at 5ppm, and I'll add a little rowaphos to the water before mixing the salt to remove any phosphate..... I may contemplate adding a pressure pump at some point - but I don't think I'm going to need one for very long (hopefully).

The Ugly - placement of the tank - one person may still have their things there, exactly where I want the tank :mad: If they are still there on Monday, I'll have to temporarily put the tank on the back porch :eek1: the porch is enclosed and on a graded concrete slab - which means I'll be using more than a few shims to make it even until I can put it in it's final resting spot. I contemplated permanently setting up the tank on the porch, but temperature swings would probably be pretty, well, ugly

mbbuna
05/24/2006, 10:11 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7433004#post7433004 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MadTownMax


?question? If i move the feed line about 10-feet closer and connect directly to the city water line (now separated by 1/2" copper pipe and a few valves) - will I see a big difference?



if the city water line is galvanized steel most likly that is where the pressure loss is coming from.

i keep 40gal of ro/di on hand, if you want some you can have it

Safir
05/24/2006, 10:25 PM
I've got 10-12 G of RODI as well - always 000 PPM on my handheld meter

MadTownMax
05/24/2006, 10:45 PM
First thing tomorrw, I'm going to go check the TDS and nitrates coming out of the quasi-filtered water - if it doesn't look good, I'll let you guys know.

I'm feeling optimistic that I'll be able to run it through the DI cartrige and just burn a litte more resin off than usual and still get near-zero tds water.

Chris - I didn't take too good of a look at the incoming pipe - I remember that it was pretty rusted, and well-wrapped - so steel is probably right - and if that's the case - I don't think my plan of using a needle piercing valve will work very well either :(

I've seen some nice tanks that were maintained with tap water - maybe I'll get lucky and just have to buffer less :D - yeah, I know I'm dreaming

MadTownMax
05/25/2006, 08:07 AM
Ok - TDS after the sediment/carbon/carbon filters is 240 - Then after DI resin it's 24 - far from perfect, but manageable (with the amount of generic rowaphos I have - a few tablespoons will pull out all the phosphates I need to worry about)

kaptken
05/25/2006, 11:46 PM
I guess there are lots of things to work around low water pressure. the booster pump would work best.

or you could get a poly- bio KOLD STER-IL straight thru filter.
http://www.championlighting.com/home.php?cat=459
the good thing is it leaves all the good alkalinity and magnesium in the water, and filters out bacteria too at tap water speed. the bad thing is you need extra media to pull out the phosphate and silica. and theirs is hard to find. but your rowa would work. and its an expensive unit over $300. but saves lots of water. but with one tank, wouldnt make too much cost difference for you.

or you could play chemist and use an anion/cation resin filter. and regenerate the resin yourself with acid and caustic. time consuming, messy, tricky and a bit hazardous.

i would go for the booster pump .

bloopbloop
05/26/2006, 06:16 AM
After noon. OMG unless you want a zombie present. :p

MadTownMax
05/26/2006, 08:27 AM
OK - after noon it is - Let's say 1PM - just for a number :)

hopefully we'll have everything wrapped up in an hour or two (then it's beer, burger and brat time), but I've learned not to try to associate moving a tank with a time-line

Safir
05/28/2006, 12:16 PM
This is still on for tomorrow, right?

Ive ot those supplement ingredients set aside for you.

kaptken
05/28/2006, 02:12 PM
Yup, see you there between noon and one. closer to one.

Ive got some AC problems. seems my old heat pump finally sprung a leak when i turned it on saturday. oh well its 19 years old, i new that was coming. so time for a more efficient unit.

my big tanks got up to 83.6 degrees yesterday afternoon. but i put a couple of $5 clip on fans to blow under the hoods and sumps and knocked em right back down to 77 overnight. just barely rising today with the lights on. about 78 even though its 80 in the house. cheap evap cooling works great. who needs a chiller.

nanoreef16g
05/28/2006, 06:51 PM
Sorry I'm an idiot MTM. I was totally operating under the assumption that it was Sunday, not Monday. I'll try to make it tomorrow but I'm not sure.

MadTownMax
05/28/2006, 10:20 PM
:lol: nanoreef16g - thanks man - the buckets already came into use, so I appreciate having them early!

everything's on for tomorrow:
- I've got the sump there filled w/ tank water (about 12-gallons)
- 12-more gallons of RO/DI in buckets (I plan to do a waterchange right away to clean out all the detritus that settles out from the move)
- and the 30-gallon trashcan cycled and ready for action.

As far as setting-up the tank, I think I'm going to go to HD tomorrow to get some foam for under the stand for setting it up on the back porch - the concrete pad isn't sloped, but is cracked in many places and uneven - I probably don't need the foam as the wood on the stand could probably distribute the weight easily, but I'd rather play it safe.

mbbuna
05/28/2006, 10:24 PM
i think i have some shim's, if so i will bring them

MadTownMax
05/28/2006, 11:39 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7456067#post7456067 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mbbuna
i think i have some shim's, if so i will bring them

shweet :)

bloopbloop
05/29/2006, 03:12 AM
Do I need an address? I am assuming I go to the old house first? PM please with addresses or email me: [email protected]

Thanks!

kaptken
05/29/2006, 05:24 PM
Hey Nick,

Great reef moving class. and the bratts were good too. I think you put the rock with the bubble tip anemone on it back in the tank the wrong way. I could have sworn i saw your two Percs swimming upside down trying to come in for a landing in it.

Safir
05/29/2006, 05:39 PM
good time everyone- thanks or the stuff nick - and remember me if you diceide to pull the rest of that sand out ;)

thanks to the people who helped me avoid spendign my entire evening on 95, i've forgotten your names already :(

To save myself writing an entire book here, heres the link to my thread with tank pics on RM:

http://www.reefmonkey.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4972

hopefully i'll make it down to a meeting or something, you guys are actually closer to me than most of the philly people.

also: the xenia refugium is nuhtty's not embryoguys: http://www.reefmonkey.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=82943#82943

mbbuna
05/29/2006, 05:51 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7459793#post7459793 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Safir


thanks to the people who helped me avoid spendign my entire evening on 95, i've forgotten your names already :(


no problem:D

bloopbloop
05/29/2006, 08:02 PM
Nice tank! Thanks for posting the link and good to have met you today!

Nick, thank you for the picnic!

Safir
05/29/2006, 11:08 PM
Apparently my hermits heard about those blue's bad rep and quickly dispatched the frag off the rock it was on... I supect they knocked them down behind the anemone's rock where i'll never be able to retrieve them, but i can't see anythign back there. have to look tomorrow when the lights are on... hopefully your inhabitants are being more friendly this evening.

I also spotted what appeared to be baby shrimp in the bucket when i got home - were one of your cleaners pregnant not too long ago?

MadTownMax
05/30/2006, 07:50 AM
Thanks a TON! I really appreciate everyone coming by to help - I would probaly still be moving the tank if not for you guys :)

Kaptken - no worries, the clowns are safe and sound in their anemone - right-side up :D Glad you liked the Brats :thumbsup:

Safir - big thanks for making the long trip down here - I totally forgot that you wanted some live sand - I'll definately let you know when I'm coming up to Frazer (should be near future - like as soon as I get paid :rolleyes: ). The baby shrimp is a mysis shrimp - my tank is loaded with them, so soon yours will be too :D they're great scavengers and tastey snacks for your fish. BTW - That tank that we moved is actually nuhtty's old tank :) - the stand and tank were his before they were mine.

The only thing that worries me a bit is that the pH was pretty low :( 7.6 - possibly from stirring-up the sandbed, but I don't have much sand :rolleyes:

- I'm thinking it might have been the extra water I had made-up - either b/c it wasn't completely RO/DI water (maybe it was a little on the acidic side) or that the 3 Tbs of rowaphos that I put in the can to remove any phosphates could have really dropped the pH - I'm going to stop by this afternoon to check the water still in the garbage can to see what the pH is - and then buffer the tank a bit if it hasn't already started to do so on it's own from my Kalk drip.

It really was fun to have everyone over - if you guys want to do another Reef-Bar B Cue, just let me know - we should have the horseshoe pits ready by then - and maybe a volleyball net too - and of course there will be some beer pong :)

Safir
05/30/2006, 05:01 PM
I had a "what are you doing" moment when you threw that bucket out in the back yard, but figured you had a plan....

how long had the bubbler been running in the garbage can? it is my understanding that it will go down as the water stagnates, and goes back up during the process of oxgen exchange...

my hermits consider themselves master aquascapers... they threw the blue zoos back behind the anemone's rock somewhere where i can't see it, and that green thing off to the side... the green ill reposition in teh sandbed somewhere so the'll leave it alone, but im not digging for the zoos unless i can see them... the anemone (condy) is 8-10" in diameter and is up on top-rear of the rockwork - i don't go antywher enear that area with my hands heh... hopefully they're right side up and i'll see them growing across those rocks in a few months - there is a fir amount of flow and light back there still.

Safir
05/30/2006, 05:09 PM
why I don't want to dig around behind ht erockwork on this side of the tank:
http://freebmw.net/safir/Aquaria/46G_Bow/LowRes/20060525%20003.jpg


and since we were discussing the "Birdlady xenia"
http://freebmw.net/safir/Aquaria/46G_Bow/LowRes/20060525%20018.jpg

the big clump on the bottom right corner is all slumped over today, usuall it all stands up and is open wide like in the picture - any guesses?

MTM - if only you had a cheap two-part 'eh? *doh*
I've still got the ingredients set aside for you, if you make it up this way or i make it down there.

BTW - you got to get us some pictures once you get things re-aquascaped :)

kaptken
06/01/2006, 01:07 PM
Nice tank safir. its looking like a reef tank to me. good to meet you at the move.

hey MTM, did you put a couple clip on fans on the tank yet? ive been using two per 75 gallon tank system since the heat pump gave out. the house is hot, like up to 84 and humid, but the tanks stay cool below 79-80 even with the lights on all day. overnight with one fan runnng per tank they cool down to 76-77. good range.

MadTownMax
06/01/2006, 02:41 PM
The concrete pad in that back room is really helping out with the summer heat - the tank is gettig to a maximum of 82F.

I have not even installed the exhaust fan that I had running at the old place - where the tank was approaching 83.5 daily :eek1:

I'm re-considering putting an AC unit back there, I think I will opt instead for a temperature-controlled window fan - that should circulate the air in the small room and get it to gradually cool using the pad as a type of "heat pump" - well, hopefully :)

kaptken
06/01/2006, 03:09 PM
thats good. the concrete slab is still cool and the ground too since this is the first warm week we have had. but it will warm up thru summer. hmmm. ive got all the windows open today with box fans blowing in 86 air. and humid, and the big tanks are up to 80.6 and 81. not much evap today. might be a week or two until i shop around for the new ac unit and have one installed. hope it stays cool. or at least dry. i hate humidity.

nanoreef16g
06/02/2006, 05:44 PM
Hey MTM, glad to hear you're in and settled. Sorry I couldn't stay.

MadTownMax
06/02/2006, 06:02 PM
nano - no worries man, what you should be sorry for is not snagging your frag of those baby blue zoo's from florida from me yet - they're sweet ;)

Safir
06/10/2006, 08:47 PM
Holy new growth batman -

http://freebmw.net/safir/Aquaria/46G_Bow/LowRes/20060610%20002.jpg
http://freebmw.net/safir/Aquaria/46G_Bow/LowRes/20060610%20005.jpg

the green/yellow one was just a tiny speck when you gave it to me MTM - at least tripled it's size sine the BBQ, and the polyps on the other rock are turning redish and look real happy :)

also saw a big 'ol bristleworm living in that rock :)

MadTownMax
06/11/2006, 12:27 PM
:D glad you liked the frags - the green leather grows like a champ - so does the Blasto (originally from ECA)

I've got some worms in my rock :lol: I found a fireworm on another piece of rock when setting up the aquascape in the tank - I had it out of water and it started crawling out - big guy - about 5" long, and all read - no purple like a bristleworm.

cmondo
06/11/2006, 04:54 PM
Nick, glad to hear everything went smoothly, sorry I couldn't make it I had to work. You should Definately post some pics of the new setup.

Any chance you or anyone is interested in ordering from fraggle reef in the near future? Hows the Dendro doing by the way?

Chris

On a side note, have you ever tried to build a tank? I was thinking about building one this summer and I know you are ambitious in the do it yourself category.

MadTownMax
06/12/2006, 06:23 AM
I'm dieing to get a picture, but I'm holding right now until I can swap one of my rocks (with the Green bubble-tip anemone) with a few rocks in my GF's tank.

I picked up a Rose Anemone w/ Green tips last week (thanks to Mongoose :D ), and I'm really excited as it's expanding every day - it's looking about 8" across now that it's gotten used to the tank :D

Safir
06/12/2006, 09:43 AM
oooOOOoooo - i'l bet it's purty :)

liveaquaria's got a super red RBTA right now - makes me want one that much more

MadTownMax
06/12/2006, 10:21 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7544557#post7544557 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Safir
liveaquaria's got a super red RBTA right now - makes me want one that much more

Mine definately looks very different - it's more of a deep burgandy like the color of a maroon clown, but with bright green tips like a torch coral - I'm hoping the red will intensify under my lighting.

This particular anemone is not known to bubble it's tenticles - which make me think it's a true rose anemone, and not a bubble tip - E. Quadricolor (if that's possible - or if there is such a thing) I've seen the two kinds multiple times and there definately seems to be different types of RBTA's -

I know, this thread is worthless without pics :D

cmondo
06/13/2006, 11:08 AM
Well at least someone is posting pics then.

Safir
06/13/2006, 01:03 PM
MTM - i got rid of the shadow i nthe middle of my tank, and i didn't even have to cut the brace out - just turned the reflector 90 degrees, so the bulb is parralel to the brace and directly above it - since i have a parabolic reflector it reflects the light "arouond" the brace.

MadTownMax
06/13/2006, 02:31 PM
:thumbsup: nicely done

Safir
06/13/2006, 03:38 PM
and as an added bonus i don't have a big dark spot on one side of the tank and i'm not wasting as much light out the back of the canopy :)

and, as it turns out, i'm not blinded as badly wen i open the canpy looking at the end of the bulb than the side of it.

the real fix to teh shadow would be two bulbs though 'eh? ;)

cmondo
06/13/2006, 09:14 PM
That is the fix to any problem.........an upgrade.