Ick Still

[Psionicdragon]

So after 3 months of Hypo salinity at 1.009 constant for that time, I still have ick. Why would that be? Anyone know?

[rkelman]

what are you using to test salinity?

[Psionicdragon]

refractometer that has been calibrated and cleaned

[55semireef]

What kind of fish do you have?

[White Tiger]

Are you sure your fish has ick? Many diseases can be mis-diagnosed as ick.

[55semireef]

Lets see some pictures.

[Psionicdragon]

Yes, I am sure it is ick. I have been fighting ick for almost 8 months now. Its a tang tank.

I don't have a digital that can take pictures at a very focus'd level.

[55semireef]

well pics would help

[Psionicdragon]

Sure it would help, but if it is a pic that doesn't capture the ick then it wouldn't help.

And I posted not because I want to debate if it is ick or not, but what could be the cause or why it is still there. Even if I post a pic and you say "oh ya its ick" that doesn't help my situation.

[reg828]

use uv sterilizer 24 hrs. a day and maintain temp around 78 to 82. that will take care of ich. it will take some weeks for ich to completely eleminated by uv sterilizer. UV sterilizer must be minimum of 18 watts.

[BTTRFLYGRL]

I know you don't want to debate wether its ick or not but if you have used a refractometer and had the SG at 1.009 for 3 months, there is about a 2% chance that what you are dealing with is ich. If using a refractometer , and checking a couple times a day, you should be able to keep the SG steady at 1.009.
There are other parasites that can live through Hypo and appear as tiny white dots. Hypo will usually slow the reproduction of parasites such as Flukes but it will not eradicate it

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7671744#post7671744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Psionicdragon
Sure it would help, but if it is a pic that doesn't capture the ick then it wouldn't help.

And I posted not because I want to debate if it is ick or not, but what could be the cause or why it is still there. Even if I post a pic and you say "oh ya its ick" that doesn't help my situation.

Battling ich for 8 months you said seems very unlikey.

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7671744#post7671744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Psionicdragon
Sure it would help, but if it is a pic that doesn't capture the ick then it wouldn't help.

And I posted not because I want to debate if it is ick or not, but what could be the cause or why it is still there. Even if I post a pic and you say "oh ya its ick" that doesn't help my situation.

Its probably normal markings. At least borrow a good camera.

[Philwd]

Bttrflygrl

Do you have any examples of the other parasites that show up as white dots? Flukes show up as white dots??

Thanks.

[Psionicdragon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7674562#post7674562 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
Battling ich for 8 months you said seems very unlikey.

Prior to December, ick swarmed in and wiped out most fish, but the month is unknown at the moment since well its past a year.

December, ick first appeared again on a purple tang and regal angel.

1/2/06 Inquired about Enaly with Mobert via pm. Enaly is an ozone generator

1/5/06 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=743469

Bttrflygrl posted on this thread when I was asking about advice on QT, ick, etc when the ick kept fading in and out.

1/29/06 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=763171

Regal angel has been affected hard

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=809917

2/7/06 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=770731

Ick resurfaced after ozone was turned off for two days, came back with a vengence and wiped out most of my friends :(


2/19/06 hypo treatment started

2/22/06 kirstenk msgs me about the GEN-x ozone when I was having trouble with the intense smell. I went with Gen-x over enaly

2/25/06 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=785228

I started reading that thread and use Lee's suggestion/guidelines on proper feeding.

2/27/06 The first time I ever msged Leebca.

2/28/06 The following day I asked Leebca (via pm) about ick and when should the 4-8 week countdown starts during hypo.

3/26/06

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=809917

4/14/06 I msged Lee again about Coppersafe as an alternative if hypo didn't work.

7/1/06 See this thread



So 55semireef, that is roughly around 7-8 month. Thus yes, it is very likely I have been fighting ick for 7-8 month.

[Psionicdragon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7672979#post7672979 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BTTRFLYGRL
I know you don't want to debate wether its ick or not but if you have used a refractometer and had the SG at 1.009 for 3 months, there is about a 2% chance that what you are dealing with is ich. If using a refractometer , and checking a couple times a day, you should be able to keep the SG steady at 1.009.
There are other parasites that can live through Hypo and appear as tiny white dots. Hypo will usually slow the reproduction of parasites such as Flukes but it will not eradicate it

True, BTTRFLYGRL. It could be something other than ick. I am going to wait it out and see if the powder blue tang gets cover again. I actually kept the SG around 1.008-1.009.

But if it is ick, I must be unlucky lol.

[55semireef]

What kind of water conditions do you have for you to be getting ich that much?

[Psionicdragon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7678739#post7678739 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
What kind of water conditions do you have for you to be getting ich that much?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=743469

[55semireef]

Ok, maybe the ich is in the sand in liverock. How deep is your sandbed?

[55semireef]

I have heard that ich can stay dormant in a tank with a deep sandbed but maybe I was told wrong.

[Psionicdragon]

2inches

[55semireef]

Hmmm, doesn't seem that deep to be a problem.

[Psionicdragon]

From what I hear, there might be a strain of "super" ick around my local area.

This strain is immune to any chemical agents and hyposalinity.

I might've gotten it from fellow reefers, but I have no idea.

[55semireef]

well best to re-do the tank if thats the case. jk.
never heard of super ick

[Salty Bginners]

Lol SUPER ICH wears a cape AND is bulletproof....lol garlic in the nori...hypo saliniity, and copper. that should clear it up. and dont do copper and hypo at the same time...i hear its bad....but i may be wrong

[55semireef]

I don't know who came up with Super Ick but thats a joke.

[gary faulkner]

IME, it can be a battle to keep at 1.009. You must be diligent.

[Philwd]

Agreed auto topoff or at least twice daily manual topoff is required. Since I doubt anyone has ATO on a QT it just means you have to keep on top of it. I have a mark on my QT that I fill to so I know when I need to add.

[Psionicdragon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7687548#post7687548 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Salty Bginners
Lol SUPER ICH wears a cape AND is bulletproof....lol garlic in the nori...hypo saliniity, and copper. that should clear it up. and dont do copper and hypo at the same time...i hear its bad....but i may be wrong '


Yes...hypo or copper I know of those treatments. Hypo and copper is bad, yes I know that too :)

[Psionicdragon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7687569#post7687569 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
I don't know who came up with Super Ick but thats a joke.

Not true. If you say that is a joke, then you are saying that antibiotic resistent bacterias are a joke too.

Ok I am going to stop posting to your responses 55semireef...you're just getting more annoying.

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7700017#post7700017 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Psionicdragon
Not true. If you say that is a joke, then you are saying that antibiotic resistent bacterias are a joke too.

Ok I am going to stop posting to your responses 55semireef...you're just getting more annoying.

Since when I have been saying antibiotic resitent bacterias are a joke too? I didn't recall typing that or inferring that.

Do you have any reference to super ich?