View Full Version : 37 gal cube log w/pics

08/26/2006, 06:10 PM
Well I finally talked her into it. I got my cube!!!! i will be taking pics and updating as i go. i know everyone like following tank builds ( I know I do) so i will allow everyone to see mine. enjoy!!

here is the tank and stand

here is just the tank

here is the inside of the stand.

It doesnt leave any room for a sump so I think im going to try to go sumpless. The wifey doesnt want to see and of the pipes or hoses. and especially doesnt want to see a sump sitting beside the tank. so for now ill try sumpless. if it doesnt work then ill just have to put one beside the tank. I will be building the canopy for the top of the tank tomorrow. it will house 2x65 watt pc lighting (actinics) and either a 150 watt mh or maybe 250 watt mh. which do you guys and gals think i should go with? I will be running a sea clone 100 hob (no sump) because i have it laying around. please feel free to comment or give me any advise. Thanks and enjoy!

08/26/2006, 06:45 PM
how tall should i make the canopy? i will be adding mh lighting so i want plenty of room.

yamaha racer
08/26/2006, 07:15 PM
im not to sure how high the canopy be but if u get some money deffinantly get a differant skimmer. is the stand big enough to fit a 10g into because if u can u can just have a fuge and a hob skimmer.

08/26/2006, 07:23 PM
Shop around, they have sumps to fit cube tanks. If I can find it I'll post a link.

But good luck!

08/26/2006, 07:30 PM
The inside of the stand is 12" deep (front to back) and 10 1/2" (side to side) maybe a 5 gal? Trust me i want a sump/fuge but she doesnt want any pipes or hoses at all! that was the deal so i could have a tank on my main living level. my only option to have one is to build my own stand. which right now isnt an option. let me know if you guys have any ideas.

08/26/2006, 07:31 PM
thanks mishap.

08/26/2006, 07:50 PM
what do you guys think maybe a cannister filter? I have a cascade can that is rated for up to 300 gals. maybe run that?

08/26/2006, 08:00 PM
See if you cant find a tall rubbermade container that will fit. That might be an option.

08/26/2006, 09:06 PM
didnt think of that thanks kong!

08/26/2006, 10:47 PM
OMG THANK YOU. I am about 99.99% im buying this tank. I've been eyeing them for a while and I can't wait to see yours setup. Goddluck (And HURRY :D jk )

08/26/2006, 10:55 PM
get a sump... you wont regret it, just figure it out, somehow.

08/26/2006, 11:40 PM
lol.... surfatc3g I have also had my eye on this tank and it finally went on sale. I love the stand other than it doesnt have much room under it.

gfk.... Im working on it. going to wally world tomorrow to get a rubbermaid tub to hopefully fit it under the stand.

08/26/2006, 11:46 PM
water, salt and substrate added!!!!



08/26/2006, 11:48 PM
still trying to get a height to make the top so i can put in mh lighting. anyone have a clue about height?

08/27/2006, 12:37 AM
I would do an attractive pendant light. I think it would give it a "work of art" look for the main floor! Maybe something like this: http://www.tsunamiaquatic.com/catalog/item/1924495/1366873.htm

08/27/2006, 12:52 AM
piscesblue.... I was looking at those and i really like them.... but i think im going with a retro kit. i have 2x65 watt pc lighting that im going to use for actinic's so all im looking for is the mh lighting. thanks for the ideas though!!

08/27/2006, 07:55 AM
I might have missed it, but are you going to design a hood to fit the MH inside of? I would make a lot of considerations for heat, for such a small tank, if I were you.

You obviously dont have room for a chiller, and you dont have a long open sump to throw a fan onto to help cool. Your cooling and ventilation need to occur via the hood/surface area.

In designing my hood, I rested my MH reflectors ONTOP of the hood (using L brackets), this way, most of the heat can dissipate into the room.

This is an old picture, and doesnt show it best, but you can still see the MH reflector ONTOP of the canopy: http://www.d3f.org/misc/fish/90g/19b-first-shot.jpg

08/27/2006, 08:31 AM
I have thought about that. I am mounting 2 4" fans in the hood. along with the back of the hood being open and will drill 4 2" holes in the top of the hood. do you think this will provide enough air flow to allow the heat to escape?

08/27/2006, 11:08 AM
I think that will be a great start. A key part to making the evaporation effective is a lot of fresh air blowing directly on the water's surface.

I had a fan blowing across my sump for months. One day I re-positioned it temporarily as i worked in the sump and forgot to move it. The next morning, the tank was cooler by 2 degrees.

The new sump-fan position placed it 4-5" from the surface of the water, blowing down upon it at a 45 degree angle.

Just goes to show you what a significant change you can get from such a seemingly minor adjustment.

08/27/2006, 04:11 PM
Why would you want to make the "Evaporation" effective? Exaporation is bad. The less water I lose in a day the better. I know it will happen no matter what if you have a fan on the water, but evap. isn't really what we are aiming for here.

08/27/2006, 04:32 PM
I isnt as much as the evap as cooling. the canopy is drying as we speek!! I will post pics later. I put 2 fans on each side and the back is almost completely open. also i am drilling 4 1 inch holes in the top. the top is also removeable incase temp goes up i can remove it.

08/27/2006, 06:14 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8024076#post8024076 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SurfatC3G
Why would you want to make the "Evaporation" effective? Exaporation is bad. The less water I lose in a day the better. I know it will happen no matter what if you have a fan on the water, but evap. isn't really what we are aiming for here.

Evaporation is going to mean cooler temps and better o2 exchange. Could also mean a better pH level for the tank.

Evaporation is the most EFFECTIVE and efficient way of cooling a tank, especially for the type of tank our OP is trying to setup (a small volume, MH-equipped tank without a sump and space for a chiller).

If he decides to go sumpless, he can easily fit an auto-top-off reserve below his tank and reduce his daily evaporation maintenance by a good deal.

As for me, I have a full auto-top-off solution originating from my RO/DI, so evaporation is never a concern of mine -- only if im not doing ENOUGH of it.

08/28/2006, 11:44 AM
here are some new pics of the hood almost ready to have lights mounted in it.

sealed and going black


front painted black


holes in the sides for 2 3" fans




I cant get any onside pics because the paint is drying. ill post more pics later when it is dry.

08/28/2006, 12:18 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8024755#post8024755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by King-Kong
Evaporation is going to mean cooler temps and better o2 exchange. Could also mean a better pH level for the tank.

Evaporation is the most EFFECTIVE and efficient way of cooling a tank, especially for the type of tank our OP is trying to setup (a small volume, MH-equipped tank without a sump and space for a chiller).

If he decides to go sumpless, he can easily fit an auto-top-off reserve below his tank and reduce his daily evaporation maintenance by a good deal.

As for me, I have a full auto-top-off solution originating from my RO/DI, so evaporation is never a concern of mine -- only if im not doing ENOUGH of it.

Evaporation isn't what cools the water, the cool air blowing on the surface is what cools the water. Evaporation is the by product; the undesired side effect; the problem. Unless you have an auto top off, it actually cause the salinity of the water to constantly change which causes instability. You are on the right track, you were just a little mixed up. :)

08/28/2006, 12:46 PM
Vapor is the by product of the cooling effect caused by water molecules escaping into the air (and using up their heat energy); heat of vaporization.

I'm not mixed up. I think I know well enough about salinity and evaporation.

What you're debating is semantics; an issue that plagues many threads and gets them off topic.

TKByrnes: the hood look's very very nice. Keep up the good work.

08/28/2006, 01:04 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8029120#post8029120 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SurfatC3G
Evaporation isn't what cools the water, the cool air blowing on the surface is what cools the water. Evaporation is the by product; the undesired side effect; the problem. Unless you have an auto top off, it actually cause the salinity of the water to constantly change which causes instability. You are on the right track, you were just a little mixed up. :)

Someone missed their physics class... :(

Evaporation can be your friend :)


08/28/2006, 02:56 PM
LOL thanks kong!

08/28/2006, 03:00 PM
here is the hood on the tank. far from dont yet but its on anyway!!



08/28/2006, 03:54 PM
Very nice. Clean lines. I would say that has a big WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor!)

08/28/2006, 06:20 PM
yes that was the deal on putting it on the main floor. ( no IT WORKS rigging) lol

08/28/2006, 07:07 PM
ok well i think i figured it out. possible future sump!!!! 5 gal automatic water thingy for dogs. im going to cut the top big enough for the overflow tubes and a return line and now i have a sump that fits in my stand. think it will be big enough?

08/28/2006, 07:08 PM
sorry forgot the pic little to exited!!!


08/28/2006, 07:14 PM
O boy.

I forsee a lot of microbubbles due to that.

08/28/2006, 07:16 PM
thats what i was wondering about.

08/28/2006, 07:18 PM
what if i put a filter bag on the ends of the overflow lines?

08/28/2006, 07:38 PM
The problem I see is the circular shape will make it hard to get the bubbles to settle and rise. Theyll always be in motion until they get sucked up again by the return pump. even a filter sock might not help much.

I am wondering if perhaps you should just consider using that as your auto-top-off. Place a small pump in there like a dosing pump, then place a float switch (hooked to a relay) in your display tank. At least you wont have to worry about evaporation except for filling up that canister every 1-2 weeks.

08/28/2006, 07:52 PM
hummmm...... maybe ill just run a cannister filter and see how things go. i have had very good luck with cans on smaller tanks. what do you think about that?

08/28/2006, 08:00 PM
nice looking tank!

08/28/2006, 08:03 PM
SurfatC3G, evaporation IS what cools the water. Sweating is a perfect example, to cool off your body releases water. Your tank does the exact same thing.

TKByrnes, Very nice tank and the hood is impressive! Would a hex tank of some size fit down there? That could be an option.

08/28/2006, 09:05 PM
jristau81....... yup thought of that tried a 10 gal hex. its too wide. nice thought though. maybe a small trash can? like the bathroom kind but a little bigger?

Thanks thor32766

08/28/2006, 09:08 PM
LOL, well, I learned something today. However, while evap may help, it's also the cool air blowing on the water. Not every molecule of water evaporates when the air touches it. Blow hot air on or in your tank and see what happens. Also, a large fan can be used to blow directly onto the side of the tank and that will also cool it. I admit, I didn't know evap helped cool the tank. I wasn't totally wrong though. Thanks for that link.

Edit: Back on subject, I also bought a 37g tank today and I can't wait to make a stand so I can set this thing up. :)

08/28/2006, 09:25 PM
wanna race surfat? lol j/k hope all goes well for you.

08/28/2006, 09:26 PM
Not trying to be a pain in the butt.... but technically blowing hot air would actually increase the cooling effect because there would be more evaporation. Why cant people just admit they were wrong anymore? :rolleyes:

08/28/2006, 11:09 PM
anyone have any input on me running a can filter?

08/28/2006, 11:40 PM
Next issue........
Im breaking down my 75 gal and have some fish i need to find a home for.... anyone interested pm me. chalk bass, halfblack angel, and a snowflake eel.

08/28/2006, 11:51 PM
Ok well i just ordered my 250 watt metal halide retro kit. ice cap ballast and evc 14k bulb hopefully ill have anough light what do you guys think? maybe add some actinics or do you think the 14k will be enough blue?

08/29/2006, 06:19 AM
Thatll be plenty of PAR for anything.

No experience with coloration on that specific 14k bulb and actinic supplementation needs, however.

08/29/2006, 09:09 AM
ok well ill post a pic when i get them.

08/29/2006, 09:15 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8032882#post8032882 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TKByrnes
wanna race surfat? lol j/k hope all goes well for you.

lol, well I only ordered my light yesterday. I only went with a DE 150 watt Halide though. I got a 14k Pheonix bulb to go in it. I will still need to build my stand and canopy. ;) I would have gotten the 250 but I am worried about it being too strong for some corals. I mostly only keep softies and lps so I don't want to over do it. I have moved a few times recently and I can't find my HOB overflow and the piping for it. It's definately going to be a while before I have everyting set up like I want it. goodluck with you too :)

08/29/2006, 09:21 AM
TKByrnes: not sure what you're going to get out of running a canister filter. I would avoid mechanical filtration, so unless you want to run carbon in it, I dont think youll gain much from it.

What were you hoping to gain from it?

08/29/2006, 10:19 AM
Just some kind of filter with limited space. I have a hob overflow and a mag 7 return pump but im having trouble finding something that would be good for a sump. im not to sure why you think that micro bubbles would be a big issue with a round plastic container. is it because there wouldnt be any baffles?

08/29/2006, 10:28 AM
I had a mag7 used in a 10 gallon sump with over 4 baffles, and had TREMENDOUS microbubble troubles. You want to aim for 5x turnover through your sump to avoid bubbles. By the time you achieve that, you aren't going to have any flow worth your time. Perhaps you could use some very very slow flow to create a fuge, but I would assume a flow on the order of 100-200 gph.


08/29/2006, 03:11 PM
well I went with the can filter for now. here are some new pics the rocks are in!!! still waiting on my halides. I wish they would hurru up!!!! lol i just ordered them last night.



and finally a full tank shot stand, hood and all!!!


08/29/2006, 03:12 PM
ok just realized that the hood needs to be glossy!!!!!

08/29/2006, 09:43 PM
I still have more rock and coral to add I just want to make sure im not going to get a cycle before i add them.

08/30/2006, 12:36 PM
ok the rest of my rock and coral is going in tonight. hopefully my metal halides will be here tomorrow!! Ill take pics when i get all the rock and coral in.

08/30/2006, 05:48 PM
inside hood. kinda empty still waiting on mh light. the temp has been steady dropping .1 deg every 5-10 mins thanks to the fans!!

08/30/2006, 05:49 PM
forgot the pic again. lol!


08/30/2006, 06:41 PM

08/30/2006, 08:00 PM
Ok well i have my 1st issue. Heat!!! the temp is 83.5 but it isnt really going down any more. maybe it will go down tonight. I think maybe 2 fans on the top blowing right on the water? anyway will my corals and inverts be ok switching from 78* to 83* if i aclimate? i guess what im really asking is...... if a temp of 83* is ok for a reef?

08/30/2006, 10:56 PM
Sometimes mine hits 83. I wouldn't even worry about it long term, but see if you cant angle those side fans to hit the surface of the water -- I mean, you've gone through the trouble of installing them, so you might as well use them . That's really what you want.

08/31/2006, 05:52 PM
well i have them to cool the metal halide when i install it. the tank went down to 78* overnight and is steady at 78* so i think it will be ok. I might add 2 fans on the very top of the hood blowing straight down on the water in the front. maybe it will cause the air to go in and down the front across the water and back out the top in the back. kinda a u flow of air in the hood. with the air also blowing across the mh.

08/31/2006, 11:11 PM
well first wave of crabs, snails, and corals are in ill take pics tomorrow when they are all open.

09/01/2006, 10:43 PM
ok well all rock, and coral are in. also i took my eel, and halfblack angel to the lfs today and traded them for 2 oc clowns. the tank will mostly be a coral tank. im thinking about 1 maybe 2 more fish. any suggestions? ill take pics tomorrow. today was a really busy day.

09/02/2006, 10:23 PM
here are some new pics.
this pic turned out really good but you can see my algae!!!!




09/02/2006, 10:37 PM
looking good!

09/02/2006, 10:57 PM
thank you!

09/03/2006, 11:55 AM
ok i guess my thread is running out of steam!! lots of lookers but no comments.

09/03/2006, 07:01 PM
I am hoping to get my stand fully built tomorrow and even hope to have some paint on it! Yours is really taking shape and it has lit a fire under my *** lol. :D

09/03/2006, 07:14 PM
lol thats funny. definately love this tank. its just the right size to do the aquascape that i love. I cant wait to see yours!

My icecap mh ballast came in. the rest will be here tuesday. everything has been wired up. just 3 wires to connect. 2 on the mogul and the grounding wire to the reflector. ill take some pics later to show the wired up ballast.

09/04/2006, 01:11 AM
I just want to coment that if you do install two more fans that you might want to arrange them to blow air OUT of the hood. That is the problem that i encountered...Too much heat and not enough air flow leaving the closed hood. So the fans are now outward pointing to fix that. And with the first two pulling in cool air I'm sure that it will extract the heat more than simply having more and more fans blow over your water and either blow dust on the surface or add just as much heat. I think that a good criculation of air in the hood will help you a lot.

09/04/2006, 09:14 AM
ok ill try blowing them out and see what happens. its easy to switch them and try it blowing in if it doesnt help much.

09/05/2006, 10:37 PM
Ok well the rest of my halide retro kit came today. I got it in tonight but the lights went out 15 min after i finished putting them in. Ill get some pics tomorrow. Im very happy with the EVC 14k bulb!!!

09/06/2006, 02:33 PM
Ok here are the new pics with the evc 14k mh lighting.

Bulb lit up


Orange zoo's

Purple monti. Kinda started to turn white while under the pc lighting. Hopefully it will return to normal!

Finally a full tank shot

What does everyone think????

09/06/2006, 07:32 PM
ok the thread is dead now im going to let it die.

09/07/2006, 04:59 PM
Nice tank. I saw this same size at the store and fell in love now to save money for it. I wouldn't have fans pointing out from the tank, only blowing in. The air blowing away will be very full of humidity and will play ravoc on your fan parts and cause tons of rust. I did it and in only a few days I had a very noisy rusty fan. Several fans blowing from one side of the tank to outputs on the other is very effective at cooling. Good luck and keep us posted on the tank.

09/07/2006, 05:37 PM
is that an anenome, slow down...usually people have a more est tank before adding anenomes...otherwise looks good

09/07/2006, 07:14 PM
mmd the tank is only about 1 or 2 weeks old but the rock and all coral is out of my 75 which was setup for about 5 or 6 months. the anemone was the first addition besides fish to the tank. I havent had a problem out of it. here is a pic of it right now!


09/07/2006, 07:23 PM
is that a hatian?

09/07/2006, 10:18 PM
Yes it is. I dont like them but my fiance loves them. Im actually going to get a rbta and get rid of the hatian.

09/07/2006, 10:55 PM
If you let it die im going to be ****ed :o

lol, looking good. I can't wait to get mine going. I need to slap some paint on the ol stand and then make a pendant for the lights I have.

09/07/2006, 11:18 PM
What are the dimensions of the 37? I've been looking at the 30 gallon cube to set up for my Daughters but never heard of the 37?

09/07/2006, 11:27 PM
24 tall 18 deep (front to back) and 20 wide i think. not positive on the last number. but pretty sure.

surfat.... I wont let him die!!!! lol might take him to the lfs along with the white one that she got and get a rbta. not sure though. kinda wishing that my clowns would host my hammer!

09/07/2006, 11:59 PM
I was talking about the thread dying :D

09/08/2006, 09:44 PM
lol i thought you were talking about the anemone......

I got a new addition today!!!!! he is only about 1 inch long. I love this little guy!!!

09/08/2006, 10:24 PM
Hey TK,

You're the man of the house. You tell that woman that you need a sump, and whatever other equipment that makes you happy, and she will accept and love it. I started with a 24 gallon nano, expanded to two of them, just built a 75, and now she wants another tank to "balance the room!" Just deny her sex until she complies!


09/08/2006, 10:45 PM
nice tank

09/09/2006, 01:19 PM
shekki..... I think i talked her into it... I just have to build a stand that will hide it. im thinking about building a stand that is oversized and goes all the way to the wall to allow enough room under the tank for a 20 gal sump and a 20 gal fuge. also maybe enough room for a auto top off. I just have to hide everything. the whole deal is that she doesnt want to see any hoses, pipes, or wires. If i can hide all of that i can have whatever i want.

09/10/2006, 12:22 AM
I think i have came up with an idea. What do all of you think about using the stand from my 75. adding 2 2x4's for support across the center under the tank and a peice of plywood on the top to close in the stand. then i can run my sump/fuge from my 75 on the 37. all of the wires and pipes will be hidden so she cant B&*%# about it! lol The only thing im wondering is what size pump should i use? I want enough flow that i dont need any powerheads in the tank.

09/11/2006, 06:04 PM
I tareded with a local reefer today and here is what i got.

semper fidelis

and these are my faves!!!! I have been wanting some of these for a long time! fire and ice

09/12/2006, 03:47 PM

09/12/2006, 07:56 PM
yea i know i love it!!

09/16/2006, 11:39 AM
ok well I won!!! I put my foot down!!! here are some pics of the sump/fuge......lol



09/16/2006, 12:36 PM
what kind of light is that over your fuge?

09/16/2006, 01:35 PM
reg old flourescent actinic and 10k day. Im going to get a plant light today and put it on there.

09/17/2006, 05:44 PM
That's cool you have a fuge now! I have mine up with everything from my 20g high in it, excluding the sand. I am not going to reuse that old sand. It's not even half ful and I ghetto rigged a 2x4 stand for the light until I can make a canopy. I will take some pics and start a thread soon. :) Glad all is workin for ya

09/17/2006, 06:39 PM
that Sump looks like its hanging over the edge of the stand ....I would cut a board of at least 3/4 "thick pywood to support it fully..

09/17/2006, 11:08 PM
yeah im with mako--wouldn't want to test the sump's strength

upgrade looks good though

09/20/2006, 12:13 PM
well the sump only hangs over about 2 inches on each side. also it isnt full of water. there is about 10-15 gallons in it. I think it will be ok for a little while. im building a stand for it.

well i picked up a frag of radioactive dragon eyes here is a couple pics



and yes i see the hair algae and im getting it under control.

09/20/2006, 12:58 PM
You might want to stop adding corals and take care of that algae problem. How old is the tank again? Also, I hope to god that scooter is eating prepared foods, otherwise I give him a month. Slow down.

09/20/2006, 01:16 PM
Milhouse.. . The tank is about 1 month old but the lr came out of my 75 which was 6-8 months old and my 24 gal that was about 2 years old. the pods are going crazy in there. I did my research before i got him! the algae is backing off now. I got the lr from a store that I just found out uses tap water so I think that phosphates were leaching out of the rock. I tested my water and have no phosphates!

09/23/2006, 01:55 PM
here are some new frags I just picked up!




here are some other that i have had for a while. just trying to get better with my camera!