We need nfo on changing over tanks 55g to 220g

[Reefer421]

:D We are upgradeing and need to know what we have to do to not kill everything!!!!

[reefrubble]

Mix up your water,and go for it. Transfer as much of your old tank water as you can. Don't take this wrong,but don't make more out of it than what it is. This is what John at FAOIS said to me when I up graded to my 225. ,and he was right. Don't get me wrong it's going to be a little work,but after your done ,your going to say that was a piece of cake. Ted

[reefrubble]

Reefer421 you have a PM

[robthorn]

changing as ted said is what I have done several times. be prepared to lose at least one thing. you will either lose a coral to the change or smash a fish or something. just don't be surprised. if you have a plenum in the old tank make sure to get all the livestock you want to keep and water before you move any rocks sitting on the bottom of the tank. you will more than likely release some ammonia pockets. even with deep or shallow sand beds this can happen. just being aware that it can happen is probably enough caution taken. good luck.
the last time I changed over I left my new tank run for over a month and drained alot from the new tank and added some old tank water during the move. I did water changes from the old tank to the new tank during the month. if you don't have sps I would probably just do it in one day myself.

[Reefer421]

Thanks Rob-

We have had the tank going for like 9 months and there are no SPS yet. I think we are just going to do it all in one day. Thanks for the advice...definitely will keep it in mind.

Question...We are getting rock from the LFS that they have been holding and curing for us for 2 weeks or so, do you think it will cause a spike in our readings still?

I was thinking of getting some regular sand instead of live sand since I have like 40 lbs of live sand and some crushed coral that is mixed in. The sand bed right now is about 3-4 inches and I was thinking about making it a little thinner on the next one with a DSB in the refugium. Any opinions on that idea anyone? Definitely want to get this right the first time.

We are probably going to try to do the change over not this Saturday, but the following Saturday so any advice in the mean time is greatly appreciated.

Ted-

Thanks for leaving us your number, we may end up calling you! LOL

[robthorn]

whatever is done for a sand bed I personally like a consistent look. if you put in clearwater beach sand and then fiji sand and then some crushed coral you will in my opinion have a natural but dirty looking sand. like I said that is just me. I am always trying to get the chunkier stuff out so it looks nice and uniform and clean.
no matter what there will be a cycle to the new tank just because it's a new tank. it may not spike ammonia or anything enough to kill but there will always be the new tank syndrom. algea on everything including the glass and rock and maybe red cyano. I have experienced it with every tank and I believe the majority of us do. if you had your new tank running for say 1 year and decided to add a 20 gallon prop. tank shortly after adding the new tank you would experience the new tank syndrom in the new section only and the old tank would most likely stay just like before. no clue exactly why but it seems to happen.
if you have live rock and a shallow sand bed in your main display there should be no need to waste the time and energy installing a remote deep sand bed. it might help and might hurt but in the size of tank you are installing it is extremely easy the way you have explained setting it up so far to keep ammonia,nitrite and nitrate below detectable levels. my nitrates spiked at under 5 ppm when I did the change over from the 125. that lasted only a few weeks. I think by a month or so after changing over it was back to undetectable. you really only need a half way decent skimmer to achieve this but of course most of us believe more is better when it comes to skimming.
what lighting are you planning on using? and skimmer?

[Reefer421]

We are looking at a euro reef cs8-4 and it has all of the following
220g All-Glass RR, about 1.5 years old
- All-Glass Cherry stand and canopy
- 75g All-Glass sump, baffled
- Mag 18
- Mag 9.5
- 2 Ice Cap 660's
-8 T5, 54w Giessman Bulbs
-8 Ice Cap SLR reflectors, all endcaps and stand-offs
- All plumbing including durso drains

[robthorn]

sounds good. it should run well for you. you can always change anything you want down the road.

[Steven M]

You can get some nice sand at pinch a Penney pool supply, it is a littel larger grain the the play sand. I used 80lbs of the filter sand and 80lbs of play sand + 120lbs for my old tank. You well probley need at lest 160 lbs + your 40lbs live to get a shalow sand bed.

[Reefer421]

What is a good way to seperate the live sand from the coral we have in there now?

[Steven M]

I had the new sand and new rock in the new tank before I made the move. I put the rock from the old tank in toats(SP?), siphoned the sand out of the old tank and put the sand in the new tank. Then put the rocks in the tank. I ran filter socks.

[ladyfsu]

What kind of sand from Pinch a Penny?

[Aquatic Hamster]

I'm reading this thread with interest. I hope to be doing a similar thing in a year or so. A 90 to about a 250. However I have the additional problem of the new tank needs to go where the old tank IS. I never seem to make things easy on myself.

[reefrubble]

Reefer421, It's not hard if you have some large containers to drain your tank water into. If you want I have some 50 gal. food grade drums ,you are welcome to use. Ted

[robthorn]

if your tank needs to go to the same place do yourself a favor and move the old tank to another area and set the new one up as complete as you can before changing over. moving small tanks can be incredibly easy especially when the floor stays the same level. drain as much water from the tank as it takes for you to be able to lift 1 end about 3-4 inches off the ground. cut 3 pieces of 1 1/2 inch pvc somewhere around 24-30 inches long. lift one end and put the first piece of pipe as close to center as you can and another piece toward the end you are lifting. get to the other side and push and the tank will roll on the pipes. when the one near the end gets close to the middle put the 3rd piece under the end and take out the first one. repeat as much as needed. a tank can be spun in the middle of the floor like this also. I moved my 265 on the stand from the garage like this and spun it in the livingroom with out any trouble at all. daddy jax and I moved a 125 from my living room to the road in front of my house like this also. hope this idea helps . at least you can leave the old tank running until the very second you are ready to add livestock to the tank. this is what I did so I could leave the new tank running for a month or so and cycle a little before moving things over.

[glyle41]

the pvc pipe trick is a good one for sure another great idea from ROB

[robthorn]

thanks george we move alot of big heavy equipment like that. it's amazing how much weight they will hold.

[Steven M]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8050420#post8050420 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ladyfsu
What kind of sand from Pinch a Penny?
Sand filter/ pool filter sand

[ladyfsu]

thank you!

[reefrubble]

Reefer421, Have you started mixing your water yet ? What have you done to get ready ?

[Reefer421]

Thanks Rob. Great idea, but we got lucky and are actually putting the tank on the other side of the room. I was hoping not to have to run both just to save on the electric that month. I think we will do ok. I feel more confident hearing everyones stories and advice.

Another question. I know Steve said he put sand then rock, but I have heard the rock is less likely to be undermined if you put it down first and put the sand around it. I even thought about using 1'' pieces of PVC to put the rocks on then put the sand around them to hide the PVC. Good Idea...Bad Idea??? How is everyone else's done?

[reefrubble]

I don't have any sand ,but that's not for everyone. I like the way sand looks in the tank,but it is easier for my this way. Ted

[gatorolsen]

I have seen set ups where they used pvc pipe and/or eggcrate to make shelves that the rocks sat on - all hidden by sand - less likely to rocks to shift that way if you have burrowing critters

all my lr is sitting down in or on the sand - even with a very busy pistol shrimp and noticable sand shifts I have been lucky - but it is possible for the sand to shift and a rock to fall

Good luck - waiting for pics

Gatorolsen

[robthorn]

I normally do sand first then when I add the bottom rocks I spin them back and for until it reaches the glass. it is hard to set the rock in and make it stay where you want without sand to help support some edges. this time I only put sand in the front half of the tank where I know there is plenty of flow. I have none behind the rocks so it doesn't become a nutrient sink.

[Steven M]

I do like rob said, spin the rocks so most of the rock is on the glass.

[reefrubble]

Is the tank in its new home yet ? Ted

[pmike25]

Hey Ted, yeah they got it, I just got back not to long ago helping them get it from St Cloud, what a trip!!! And it poured its as* off on the way home, we couldnt even see 10 feet ahead of us, very bad. But there prob setting it up as I type!!! They were very excited and its a awsome tank, and a nice fit in there house. Cant wait till they get it filled up and host a meeting ;) hint hint!!!

But to answere ya question, yes they got it home safe and sound!!! There prob having fun putting it in place and all that, the new tank emotions!! LOL :)

[reefrubble]

Thanks for the reply mike. I'm glad they got it home ok. Ted

[Reefer421]

We got it all in last night. In order to allow the protien skimmer to fit under the stand we had to build a frame to raise the stand about 2 inches. We are going to be doing the plumbing today to get some sand in and let it start cycling. I am expecting the protien skimmer around the end of the week.

We will get with you at the end of the week Ted to get those 50 gallon drums from you if we can borrow them.

We are very excited about it. It looks good. Takes up a whole wall in the living room. I turned the lights on to check them out last night and WOW!!! We about lit up the neighbors yard too. LOL!!

[Steven M]

We like to see the progress, pics of the empty tank are OK.

[Reefer421]

We will take some and post them. You will see my bedroom door next to the tank to compare.

[pmike25]

PICS PICS PICS!!!! WE NEED PICS :D hahaha now I get to do that to someone else, people are always doing that on my thread!!!

Make sure ya camera has some good batteries in it for now on.....

Hey did I mentions PICS!!!! :) empty tanks stand appart doesnt matter!!!LOL ;)

Good luck on that plumbing today......

[BankerJohn]

this thread SUX without pics of the new tank!

no slacking allowed

[reefrubble]

Just give me a call ,about the Drums. Ted

[Reefer421]

So...here they are PICS, PICS, PICS!!!

I have one to show the stand and canopy and one to show the lights.


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326small.jpg
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326220_tank_small.jpg

[BankerJohn]

OOOOooooooohhhhhhhh! I covet your tank!

[robthorn]

is that an all glass 210? looking good by the way.

[pmike25]

Its a AGA 220....

[Reefer421]

It is all glass. We got it filled last night around 11:00. I am picking uo filter socks today and the skimmer hopefully will be here by the end of the week. Do the socks reduce the noise of the water flowing into the sump? Right now it sounds like I am constantly running a bath in my house. LOL

[robthorn]

when did all glass start making a 220? might want to check that to be sure. I vote 210 but still just as cool of a tank.
reefer do you have the pipes under water in the sump? if so I think the socks may help a little. if they are under water you need vents for them or they will vacuum the water out of your overflows and create alot of noise. until it breaks a vacuum and then it will fill up and start over. pretty nasty sounding if you ask me but some people are perfectly happy with it.

[Reefer421]

I ran the numbers through the calculator on here and it is a 210.

My pipes are about 6 inches above the surface right now and we did put vents on them out to the side and drilled holes in the caps. When I get the socks, should I extend the pipes since they are vented to reduce moise or just leave them the way they are?

[robthorn]

definately sink them just not too far. if you get too close to the sock bottom they will shoot water out of the vent holes. deep enough to stay under if your sump gets low.

[Reefer421]

That is what I was thinking.
Right now, I sound like I have a waterfall in my house!!! LOL

Thanks for all the advice Rob. You are very helpful. Hopefully you can make it to the next meeting. It will be at our house and you can see the tank and give any more advice you think will help us. I am hoping to have a great turn out so we can get advice from all of those who have successful systems running now.

[robthorn]

you are welcome. now if I could take my own advice instead of always tinkering my tank might get better. looks like a big ol butt right now.
I may be able to make the next meeting but I work alot of weekends since thats when I make most of my money it's hard to pass up. my weekly job pays the bills and weekend money pays for toys. :) gotta have play money

[Reefer421]

I understand that...if you can't make it that is ok. I know you are not close, but if you are ever in the area, please give me a call and come by. The knowledge you have about this hobby is something that can only come with experience. We are very thankful for your willingness to share this with us.

[reefrubble]

Reefer421, How's the new tank project going ? Ted

[BankerJohn]

all work and no play make Rob a dull boy

[robthorn]

I was born dull ask my parents.

[gatorolsen]

we can't wait to see it in person!

Gatorolsen

[Reefer421]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326tank.JPG

[robthorn]

cool. and you thought the tank purchase was expensive. wait til you buy rock and corals for that sucker :) I am glad I am in the watch it grow stage.

[Reefer421]

I bought the 70lbs that you see in there and I have about 65lbs in the 55. I am going to get another 100lbs tonight. They are going to hold it in their tanks for another week or so, that way it cures. I can't wait to change it all over. We are doing that the weekend of the 23rd. Protien skimmer will be here on Wednesday.

[robthorn]

awesome you are letting it run before changing it over. I think thats the best way if you can do it. I would get the rock right after the skimmer actually. when you pick out the rock tonight leave it under water and shake/twist it around in their tank to knock as much loose stuff off as possible. then when you pick it up do the same thing. this will help you alot.
my reasoning for getting it before the changeover is you can use the rock and good things in the rock to help the tank along. if there is huge dead stuff rotting of course wait but if it's fairly clean I would get it before the 23rd. that will be over 2 weeks of good things going on. then you won't spike as much as if you did it all one day. you also have the advantage of testing the water with the rock doing it's thing before putting your livestock in there. might save a life or 2. you can always wait another week or 2 if you have too.

[pmike25]

Cool guys , what did ya guys end up doing for the plumbing? Did you do the 4 drains?? And what return pump are ya running and int or ext and brand!!!??? :D

[Reefer421]

We did plumb it with the 4 durso drains. We are still running the mags until I can get the new pump and glass drilled. Maybe after next pay check. That way we can do all the changes next weekend and hopefully change the other tank over the following weekend.

Mike- Do you have the guys number that did your tank?

I know you recommended the sequence snapper, but I was wondering what everyone thinks about dolphins. I heard from someone that it may be quieter then the sequence. Anyone have experience with these?

Has anyone heard anything about the new Sieo's they just came out with? I heard they are on a controller like the tunze's. There are 2 on one controller...I think. I will have to research more. I was wondering if they (Sieo's) are anygood. Is it worth they difference for the tunze's if sieo is now coming out with one on a controller and everything for like 1/2 the price and the GPH does not seem all that different.

All of the help is rally appreciated and we can not wait to share our new tank with everyone!

[pmike25]

Yes I do have his number. I will PM him also to see if hes available. Ill get back to ya as soon as possible with the info!!

[pmike25]

His PM box is full,, I shall call him in the morning :D

I personally never used the Dolphin pumps so I can not comment, sorry.

Just check the wattage that the Dolphins pull at the head your going to use it at and compare the 2. Is it a cheaper pump than the Sequence?

[Steven M]

70lbs live rock does not look like muck in such a large tank. looking foreword to seeing it.

[Reefer421]

Mike- Let me know when you hear from the glass drilling guy. Do you think he can drill it under the tank it is already it there. I would have to drain the main tank to get it out. :(

[pmike25]

Nope he cannot do it when its in place. Unless you want your living room flooded!!!! Sorry but theres no good news for that question...

[Reefer421]

We are going to have to do the door in the end of the stand to pull it out then. Damn... :)

[pmike25]

So ya guys set up EVERYTHING already???

[pmike25]

Can you post pics of the plumbing under the stand??:D

ALSO, make sure if you cut the side of the stand your not going to jeopardize the structual integrity of the stand, than youll have a BIG mess on your hands

[Reefer421]

The plumbing is not done the way it will be when it is complete. I will try to post pics when we get back from John's moms house. We probably won't worry about the external pump then. I don't want to risk getting 210 gallons of sant water all over the floor in my livingroom. :D

[pmike25]

Welp If you do an internal pump your running a big risk of a heat issue, a pump that big to run that tank for SPS is going to produce some heat, DONT rush with this cause you might regret it in the future. You dont want to get a chiller I remember you saying, well with the lights, pump, power heads or Tunzes you might need to get one. Maybe not, but you dont want to run that risk when everything is done. I think Rob will agree with me on this...what int pump are you using now?? My tank runs at 83 almost 84 during the day and most of my stuff is ext pumps and my Tinzes produce VERY low heat transfer....Plus my canopy is wide open on the top and back of it, your in inclosed except for a little area in the back...

Im just trying to save you a HEADACHE in the future!!

Also remember that everything is in your stand also with not the greates air flow, make sure you have some FANS on hand but running alot of fans might be loud....

[reefrubble]

Mike's right about cutting that stand. I had to get a sump out from under my 125. I almost lost the whole thing. I had to drain the tank down ,and brace the stand to be able to cut the side panel. If you want to drain the tank down ,you can use the drums I have. LMK Ted

[Reefer421]

So far the tank has been running around 80. We will have 2 sedra 5000 on the skimmer and then the tunzes or sieo's. I am thinking about clipping a small desk fan under the stnd to help cool the water surface down there and blow the heated air out the back. I figured it can't hurt and the fan will be cheap enough I will probably do it no matter whether we go internal or external. I will talk to John and let you know about the drums. Thanks again Ted.

[pmike25]

OK seriously, if you running around 80 already and you are going to be adding 2 more bigger pumps for the skimmer and P.H.;s than ya going to be close..I hate to keep bringing the negative into this but Im giving you my HONEST opinion. I took almost 3 months to put mine all together and read almost 2 months of stuff. So just be patiance and everything will work out. Ya should read the 1st page of my 180 thread, everyone was telling me to REDA READ READ and take it slow, and im VERY happy I listened.

Have you been running your lights all day like you would if you had corals in there? If NOT than remember the heat from that, that canopy is not a air venting frendly top!! :D You can always make it one though :D

[robthorn]

I have a 4 inch hole saw if you need it. to mount fans in the canopy.

[Reefer421]

There are 2 fans already mounted hanging down from the back of the canopy and the back of the canopy is wide open to let it vent a little.

Yes, we have been running the lights for 6 - 7 hrs a day. Not as long as when we add the corals, but it has been on. The temp changes less then a degree from when the lights are on to when they are off.

I am going to call Ted and the glass drilling guy tonight and see if we can set up having the glass done this weekend. That gives us Friday night to drain the tank and if he can drill it Sat. morning, I can get the pump Sat. and can have the tank back together Sat. night. I will then pick up the rest of my rock Sun. and put it in then and give it a week to see about adding the stuff from the 55 the following weekend as planned still. That will all depend on if the rock is cycled by then.

[glyle41]

from my experience the sequence pumps are much quieter than the dolphins and they dont seem to have the problem dolphins have with some of them leaking

[robthorn]

george unfortunately I have to disagree with both your statements. only because my personal experience has been exactly the opposite. I had 3 different dolphins and could not hear them run from about 2 ft away. I can hear my brand new sequence in the other room. not loud but I can hear it. sequence is not what it once was this I promise. they have turned into a cheaply made company as far as I am concerned. at least the reeflo pumps. I have also had my sequence snapper for around 3 months and I just received a new seal because it is leaking. they said it is a common problem and it is normal for them to weep a little salt creep. I think thats crap. I want it sealed since it has a seal. I have not changed it yet so I don't know if it will stop or not. if not I will get a different pump once again because I have not found a quality pump yet. tunze is junk and the sequence is mexican junk in my opinion. I did have 3 different dolphin pumps and never had a single drop leak out of them. some others did have leaks though. probably the case that every company has problems and the world is going to the dogs. if anyone finds a true quality pump let me know all I can find is junk. the sequence power consumption just like dolphin is higher than advertised.
sorry for the pump rant but you can see I am tired of people passing junk as quality.

[glyle41]

I ran 3 dolphins and had nothing but problems switched to this dart I have now and couldnt be happier strange how different people have different experiences with the same products the reason i wne t dolphin to start with was the excellent reputation they had but gave up on them when the third one i got suppossedly hand built by dolphin sounded like a turbine on a jet running then started leaking after a week my sequence is whisper quite in comparison and hasnt been any problem but thats what makes this a great forum everyone can give opinions on something to at least educate others to make a more informed decision

[robthorn]

true george. I forgot I did have a sequence a couple years ago that was as you describe. unfortunately since then there quality has gone mexican. which to me means a big fat zero in quality. I tried to get one with an american motor and they proved to be liars also. the pumps was ordered and the person ordering it from sequence or reeflo was told I have a couple with the american motor right here. the order was placed right then for that specific pump. the person working for them knew of the difference and then the pump didn't come or something and sequence/reeflo was again contacted and someone else said we never had it and it wasn't available. going against everything I believe I purchased it anyway because the tunze was junk and I am paying for it surely. very tempted to get a dolphin. only problem with dolphin is the partial owning son died a couple years ago and they hired some thug to take over his position. since then everything went down hill. sequence is telling some people that baldor stopped making the motors for the older better pumps they used to make when the truth is they went from $40 to $80 and they were too cheap and greedy and wanted to make the same profit margine on the higher priced motors. they could have charged everyone the extra $40 and been done with it still making the same amount per pump. seems they are more worried about looking good on paper than they are about keeping customers happy.

[Reefer421]

Well, with all that info I think I will try the Dolphin. I will let you know what it sounds like when I hook it up this weekend Rob. I will also give you a follow up on it in a few months to let you know if I find any salt creep.

Rob- Have you heard anything about the new Sieo's coming out? There are 2 on a single multi-controller that is very similar to the Tunze's. I am waiting to see them, but I think I may try them. From what I was told, they will compete with Tunze in preformance, but are much cheaper.

Ted, Thanks for the drums and the powerheads. I will get them back to you ASAP.

Mike- Jamie is coming over on Friday evening, so I will be draining the tank Thursday night. Thanks for his name and number. I will post pics of the plumbing once it is completed this weekend with the new pump and all!!

[robthorn]

your welcome but don't buy a dolphin on my word I am to the point I don't like either brand. I actually can't find a brand I do like. I know I am mister negativity but it's not like my time and money are endless. I feel that I should get back what I put in and I work hard and I do a good quality job or I will tell you to find someone else to do it. don't we all think the world should work the way we want it to? ;)

[Reefer421]

All they run at Get Tanked is Dolphins of various sizes and Greg said he uses them at home too. He is the one who recommended it. Close to the same price as the Sequence just closer for me to pick up.

You have not heard about the new Sieo's?

[robthorn]

oops forgot about the seio's . yes I have seen a picture and heard of them. they are to compete with tunze but do not have the controllability like tunze. not as many different options at least. I would get a wave box and be done with it. it comes with a controller. $500 one time deal and it does better than 4 tunzes on a controller. I will be going that route very soon I think. then I will sell the other tunzes probably. I don't think 2 seio's will be enough for a mature tank with large corals which is were we all want to end up. the wave box is big enough. for now the main dolphin pump will be plenty. save your money til you can afford it and buy a few corals along the way so you can have something to watch when you get the wave box. you can adjust the wave height as low as you want I think, ask rvitko in the tunze forum here on rc he knows all about tunze and is the distributor.
forgot to mention dolphin is supposed to be using better seals now than when all the trouble was around. that has been 2 or 3 years now. also what pump model are you getting. make sure the amp draw is 1.3 or under. any other pump will be too large for your over flows and there is no sense valving it back. I am tempted to run 6 or 700 gallons through my sump and just use the tunzes to move water around the tank. electricity bill is killing me.

[Reefer421]

I am think of the 2700 GPH Dolphin pump. I think Mike said his does around the same GPH.

I agree about the Tunze wavebox. I checked it out and I think you are right. I may just wait to get one of those. We have plenty of flow for the softies we already have. I think I will wait and invest in one of those.

Thanks again for all the info!!

[glyle41]

that seems to be the way most corps. do business if they see a way to make a few extra cents they will

[Reefer421]

Soooo, we got the skimmer in the mail today and the neck is broken. Now I have to wait for UPS to process the claim and wait for the guy I got it from to get back from Canada to send me the money back. I have to say, the packaging was questionable. I hope this does not turn into a huge problem!!! Ahhhhhh!

[pmike25]

Boy that stinks, good luck with the UPS thing. Is it badly broken or is it fixable??

[Reefer421]

I have Hope up at Get Tanked checking tosee if you can get a replacement part. It is the part where it goes from being 8' down to the collection cup.

[pmike25]

Do you have a pic, I MIGHT have that. I have an extra cup and neck.

[Reefer421]

Yeah I will post pic in just a minute.

[Reefer421]

What is your e-mail address.

[pmike25]

Pmd

[Reefer421]

It is the piece that is attached to the 8 inch tube. To replace it you would have to replace the whole tube.

[Reefer421]

What do you think of the pics?

[pmike25]

still havent got it...try pm'ing them to me or just post em on here

[Reefer421]

Here they are...

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326skimmer_small.JPG

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326skimmer_small_2.JPG

[pmike25]

Ohh WOW, if it only broke the cup above it ,I have the same exact piece you would have needed, thats a shame, wish I could have helped

[pmike25]

What size ER is that??

[Reefer421]

What is ER??

[pmike25]

Euro Reef

[Reefer421]

duh!! 8-4

[Steven M]

If you can bring it to my house I can fix it for you.

[pmike25]

right ok, I was asking cause it looked small in the pics, darn pics

[pmike25]

Yeah Steve's the acrylic man.........

[Reefer421]

is it worth fixing it or should we get our money back

[pmike25]

Its worth fixing IMO. better than going through UPS and trust me it isnt easy getting claims from them, I know!! Steves the man with Acrylic, Ive seen what hes made and it comes out great :D

[Steven M]

It can be fixed. If it was me I would try to get at lest some of the money bask.

[Steven M]

Did it come with the adjustable riser tube? It's not in the pic. If your going to get it fixed soak the part in vinegar.

[Reefer421]

Yes there is an adjustable riser. It is not the original but one made of PVC that slides up and down with a sponge on it.

[Reefer421]

That piece is fine. It is just the piece you can see in the pics that is broke. Are you going to try to seal it or replace that piece? I am going call UPS and see if I can have them cancel the claim and I will see if this guy is willing to give me some of the money back since it is broken.

[Reefer421]

Maybe I can bring it to you on Sunday if that is good for you...hmmm...is FAOIS open on Sun?

[Steven M]

Faois is open on Sun. Sunday should be fine, it well only take 5min to fix. I can bond the acrylic back together, fix what you have.

[Reefer421]

Great! Thank you so much. We will bring it by in the later part of the morning on Sun. PM us your address and I will mapquest it.

[Steven M]

PM sent

[BankerJohn]

... and this is a PRIME example of why we formed our club. Steve, thank you very much for stepping in to help a fellow reefer and club member.

[Reefer421]

I agree. I am so glad to know I have such a great group of club members. You have all been so helpful. With out you all it would definitely be harder and more expensive to be making this change over.

Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!! Thank you!!

[pmike25]

This hobby (addiction) would cost people a zillion dollers without this site and the people from here. :D

[Steven M]

Need to see pics of the skimmer running.

[Reefer421]

http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326220_tank_050a.jpg


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326220_tank_052a.jpg


http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326220_tank_051a.jpg

[Steven M]

looks like you took care of the micro bubbles.

[Reefer421]

Yep that worked perfect it even filters it 1 more time!!

[Reefer421]

together at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/125326ft_005.jpg

[Steven M]

looks good.