The Zoa Naming Game

[berns]

i keep reading threads where arguments break out regarding true this and true that in regards to aleady named zoa's.

i do find this is becoming ridiculous and tobe honest the way the zoanthid data base works is to blame and these petty arguments are only gonna increase as time goes.

let me explain wat i mean as far as database workings.

eg 10 people have had similar coloured/pattern zoa colony in their tanks for a couple of years and tho all slightly different they are obviously very close morphs of each other and none have been named/id etc,

i come along and buy a frag from one of them and within a couple months ive got it listed on zoaid.com calling it a "JB"

so now the other 9 people with a similar morph find that their zoa's are somewat regarded as second rate varients of JB's and not the real deal etc.

this is happening now and will continue to happen in the future and the root of this problem is the way in which individual morphs of a variety are getting a name which then somehow degrades all other morphs in that colour/pattern variety to everyone.

so im now asking for a change when a zoanthid is named on the site regarded as the bible by most (zoaid.com) that they should be regarded as "variety or family" and be named as so eg .....ARMOUR OF GOD VARIETY" .... and for zoaid.com to post a few different morph zoa pictures within each variety/family

this will then stop all the petty arguments and stop many varient morphs being regarded as second rate/not the real deal etc cause someone got a name put on one of them.

cause for all we know the ARMOUR OF GOD zoa may actually be a second rate zoanthid morph of an original thats been sitting in peoples tanks long before AOG appeared.



just my 2 cents worth on the naming game.

ps... i used AOG just as an example cause theres an argument currently on that variety goin on in another thread)

[Reef Junkie]

Funny you mention this.
We've been trying to get this straightend out as we speak.
It's not as easy as it sounds.
I agree, it's silly when people argue over slight variations in a coral when they look so much alike.
I'd like to see a lot of these corals grouped into families of color. Yet, naming was only meant to help people identify what a coral looks like and was supposed to be for fun.
It's now become a powerful tool that some people exploit.

Cheers

[Mr. Ugly]

I didn't see any arguement there. Just info provided for clarification.

I named AoG a while back before all the zoa hype crazyness got extreme.

The AoG was imported about 3 years ago, and actually was a relatively uncommon zoa. Lately people have been calling lots of stuff AoG, and I see people asking for AoG ID's on various forums. Some people have been trying to use the AoG name to justify a high price for their sales.

Fwiw, I don't sell my AoG, and I've only traded to very few people - people that collect and propagate rather than hype and rip off.

I only posted the pics and info to help people avoid the hype and price gouging with the lookalikes which are actually a lot more common.

I have the AoG and most of the lookalikes, and I like them all. I don't sell, so I don't care what price gets put on them. I just don't like to see people getting ripped off on something that was started for fun.

[Mr. Ugly]

Yah, what RJ said :)

[Reef Junkie]

heh, Seriously Norm, we've been working on trying to get this fixed.
Your AoG would be an exception, they're unique.;)

[Mr. Ugly]

Hehe... doesn't matter to me if they're unique. I just don't like people getting taken advantage of if they think they're getting unique stuff(and paying a high price) when they're not unique.

I'd go for the group/category thing myself. I replied to that effect to Whodah somewhere :)

As far as AoG, Devil's Armor, Armageddon II, etc. The vendors that have all the different types do price accordingly with regard to rarity. If they're dealing regularly with west coast importers, they know which corals are truly rare vs "Ebay Rare" which often is a joke :)

[berns]

i wasnt picking on you mr.ugly i was just using AOG as an example as that was current, but you were just clarifying that your morph was the real deal lol

[berns]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8291108#post8291108 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Junkie
Funny you mention this.
We've been trying to get this straightend out as we speak.
It's not as easy as it sounds.
I agree, it's silly when people argue over slight variations in a coral when they look so much alike.
I'd like to see a lot of these corals grouped into families of color. Yet, naming was only meant to help people identify what a coral looks like and was supposed to be for fun.
It's now become a powerful tool that some people exploit.

Cheers

nowt wrong with the naming idea its a great way as you say to help identify stuff but it has major floors the way it is.

its too individual in a room full of morphs of the same so whose got the original????????????

create a variety name is my choise and yes maybe there will be some varieties that currently contain just the one zoa but in time i bet that changes

;)

[Speckled Grouper]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8291108#post8291108 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Junkie

It's now become a powerful tool that some people exploit.


Like one of the LFS in my area, which used to have fair prices on zoas. The last time I went there, they had chopped up the rocks, made tiny frags out of them and had a ringbinder with all the fancy names in it and where asking astronomical prices.....sad.....

[familyreefer]

You guys are right on!! It is a $$ thang! I buy or trade for what I like. I started a thread here earleir today and specifically said "I don't know the names, I just get teh ones I like" What does it matter when your non hobbiest guest come over and you have "unobtainable from God" zoas? They don't know or care! they just look purty!

[Mr. Ugly]

Berns, no prob :)

Reefers should look out for each other instead of taking advantage :)

[Mr. Ugly]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8291753#post8291753 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Speckled Grouper
The last time I went there, they had chopped up the rocks, made tiny frags out of them and had a ringbinder with all the fancy names in it and where asking astronomical prices.....sad.....
Well, if the zoas don't have a lot of wow factor, or if they are relatively common, they won't sell and his prices will have to come down.

Possibly they might sell to newbies or people unfamiliar with zoas. In that case, it's to our advantage to educate the newbies so they can make an informed purchase rather than getting caught up in the excitement.

Or else they might sell to people wanting to cash in on the current zoa popularity. People can help by making a point not to buy from or trade with those with a chopshop mentality. Again, educating newbies also would help.

[Mr. Ugly]

:rolleyes:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=945026

[Angela Short]

Mr. Ugly I know the guy in the link you just posted personally from my reef club and have been to his home buying and trading just last month. He is just like you and me wanting in on some nice cool zoa colors but sad thing is you have to have something to offer to get anything cool the way prices have gotten. He is in no way a chop shop, notice he is looking for trades. But its so hard to tell with the craze in the zoa community latley who loves zoas and who just wants to make money :(. I can vouch he is a super nice guy :).
I absolutly love zooanthids and am saddened the name game has driven the prices up just as I am wanting to start colecting them. For someone just starting out collecting them its disharting at all the people trying to make redicouluse proffits on them. I look on line and just can't belive stuff goes for "x" amount a polyp. The average on a budget reefer is just out of luck short of taking out a second morgage. Unless you luck up and get your hands on something nice enouoh to trade ;).

[Mr. Ugly]

Hiya Angela,

Yeah, I shouldn't judge. I've only seen a few of his posts. And actually he sounds like a decent guy.

I just had a slightly negative impression because he asked for an ID, and was told what he had. Then he went ahead and posted that he had AoG/Armageddon for trade anyway. Well maybe he didn't see the recent answers to his ID request. So I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

The bigger issue, and maybe only because we had been talking about it in our club lately.... is that of the chopshop mentality.

Not necessarily that a person is an actual shop, but that they are chopping and selling/trading newly collected corals, with the main focus being on making a profit or making a cool trade because of a fad.

That in and of itself might not even be that bad, except for the fact that oftentimes the coral suffers and dies because we get greedy. Every time that happens, we contribute to the demise of our natural reefs.

He had said that his zoas were harvested recently, and had been tank hopping a lot. His pics are showing the zoas stressed and mostly closed. I've seen zoas that have gone through that kind of handling, only to be quickly chopped up for trades. By the time they get traded off, they end up melting in the new owner's tank because of all the cumulative stress :(

Much better for the zoas if we are patient and let them settle in. Even better if you frag the new aquacultured growth, rather than the wild polyps. He has a nice mother colony. Would be good if he can care for it and give it several months time to settle in and be happy in his tank.

As far as pricey corals, check out our club's "Dont' Break the Chain" project. It's a kind of pay it forward, coral propagation activitiy. We are propping some nice stuff including LE pieces in the program. Maybe your club can do something similar?

http://www.bareefers.org/BAR/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=47a81887245cdd2120d59ea8aeee39e9

Also, there are some people that trade and even like to help out newbies. PM'd you some info. You can share it with your friend.

:)

[Ryanqk]

yes its a fact that colonies of a type of zoa can produce color morphs i have seen it in my own tank! That just changes the color a bit but they are the same zoa!

[Reef Junkie]

Without going into the chopshop naming game, some of this has gotten out of hand.
Yet, it wouldn't matter if they were given names or were rated by growth rate per polyp, this would happen no matter what.

I think what most new reefers (and some old) just need to educate themselves on what is ethical and what is just plain wrong.

We see a lot of people posting pictures of zoas, asking for an ID and the following day (or that day) putting them up for sale.

I think like Mr. Ugly said, "Well, if the zoas don't have a lot of wow factor, or if they are relatively common, they won't sell and his prices will have to come down."

If you see a zoa you like, ask around here or your local reef club about it. You can even ask me if you'd like. I've recently fielded a few questions from reefers that were skeptical of trades/buys they were about to make. Plus, there are A LOT of reefers on here that know what a truely nice zoa is compared to average zoas. On top of that, it's also up to individual tastes.

Zoa naming isn't a bad thing, it's what we do with the tool that makes the difference.;)

Cheers

[Angela Short]

I hope me sticking up for Greystreet didn't come off wronge :) Its so hard to know who is looking to turn a quick profit or just a little impatient with the written word. I agree things should definetly settle in and start growing before we cut on them some more but its very easy to get caught up in the moment with the zoa game! :) I have been guilty of selling off a few polyps fast to off set the cost of the mother colony also.
On another note, I think also if you were a newb looking through numerouse posts about how hardy zoa are you get a false sence of security to chop stuff up before its time. Just my opinion reading through this forum anyways. Some varieties are hardier than other for sure but others hate to be cut on.
I think the "don't break the chain" is a great idea and hopefully will drive the prices down a little but with ebay selling to people with endlessly deep pockets I would say prices are gonna hold steady for a good time. I hope not for my collections sake :)

[greystreet41]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8292871#post8292871 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr. Ugly
:rolleyes:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=945026
I just had a slightly negative impression because he asked for an ID, and was told what he had. Then he went ahead and posted that he had AoG/Armageddon for trade anyway. Well maybe he didn't see the recent answers to his ID request. So I should give him the benefit of the doubt.



psst. It's a wonder I made it to this thread. I got a response 2 days after I posted the question. I had given up on getting any feedback. For a high traffic forum like this and to have so many views don't fault me that I didn't check back continuously or subscribe to the thread for someone to finallly give me their opionions on names (which is all I was after..opinions) So in short, no I did not go and seek out trades AFTER I received a few responses to the inquiry (which the responses were as I anticipated--I'm not that far off. Just off by YOUR estimation.

(now I'm seeing the rest of your post that you should give me the benefit of the doubt--sorry, not seeking your approval).

Of course there are no trades to happen until after they are doing better as I indicated in the post--something wrong with planning ahead? Now that I read all of the responses from the ID thread it seems you're the only one that is so definitive that only yours are "XYZ" and mine are none of the above. Seems like you have achieved a level of self-importance with zoa naming I want no part of. It's mind numbing that someone could be so naive to think there are not a variety of color morphs for the SAME zoathind under different circumstances.



The vendors that have all the different types do price accordingly with regard to rarity. If they're dealing regularly with west coast importers, they know which corals are truly rare vs "Ebay Rare" which often is a joke

simply not true. Only a diligent/informed importer, wholesaler, vendor would be able to keep up with all of the immediate desires. Trans-shippers for example don't have a clue what they're bagging a lot of the time--not always, but a lot. LFS take the name from the shipping invoice and transfer it directly to the display in many cases.

We're not talking Da Vinci Code here...geesh. Cheers just the same

[surfnvb7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8294230#post8294230 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greystreet41
It's mind numbing that someone could be so naive to think there are not a variety of color morphs for the SAME zoathind under different circumstances.


thats EXACTLY whats wrong with this whole hobby right now regarding named corals.

if someone names *their* morph, then the only true way to know if you have that morph is to trace back the lineage.

there are so many fake superman monti's out there that dont look anything like the original. but once the demand went up for them, then wild colonies with an off blue base, and maroon/brown polyps would go up for sale with the name "superman" so places can make a profit off of a name. same thing is happening with all of these zoas.

i think mr.ugly is right on in regards to the AOG/Goochster/AOG2 debate.

now, in the end. if i have something that looks similar to what i think AOG looks like in pics, good for me. i still dont call it AOG though since i have no proof other than comparing a picture. which is a poor method in the first place due to differences in camera settings.

just my 2 cents. everyone should lighten up on the whole naming thing. just post a pic of what you got if you are looking to sell or trade. they are what they are and dont need fancy names associated with so you can claim rarity.

[jessiesgrrl]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8291753#post8291753 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Speckled Grouper
Like one of the LFS in my area, which used to have fair prices on zoas. The last time I went there, they had chopped up the rocks, made tiny frags out of them and had a ringbinder with all the fancy names in it and where asking astronomical prices.....sad.....

Imo, you should NEVER pay named zoanthid prices for wildcaught zoas. Ask if they are wildcaught before buying. If they are, buy them only if you are willing to accept the risk that they may not adjust to captive life and melt away in your tank; and only if you are cool with the depletion of natural resources that is currently being exploited round the world. Plus, the color you see is going to be different in your tank over the long haul anyway because of the light difference between your lights and the sun, and shipping stress as well. So you may like what you see then, but they likely won't stay that way anyway.

Propagated zoanthids command a higher price because they have not only adjusted to tank life, but also have exhibited growth...

:D
Laurie

[jessiesgrrl]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8294230#post8294230 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greystreet41
don't fault me that I didn't check back continuously or subscribe to the thread for someone to finallly give me their opionions on names (which is all I was after..opinions)

(now I'm seeing the rest of your post that you should give me the benefit of the doubt--sorry, not seeking your approval).


Only a diligent/informed importer, wholesaler, vendor would be able to keep up with all of the immediate desires.



I would be happy to give you the benefit of the doubt... if you are willing to extend the same to others like Mr. Ugly, who was not taking personal potshots either.

I would note though, that you were looking for opinions... and you got Mr. Ugly's. It's cool to agree to disagree- I would advocate that as a possible response for the next time.

As for self importance as referenced in your post- I hope I never get so self important (self impotent?) in my own mind as to ask for an opinion and then tell someone who gave me theirs that I wasn't looking for validation from them.

Cheers!

:D
Laurie

[greystreet41]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8294616#post8294616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jessiesgrrl
I would be happy to give you the benefit of the doubt... if you are willing to extend the same to others like Mr. Ugly, who was not taking personal potshots either.

I would note though, that you were looking for opinions... and you got Mr. Ugly's. It's cool to agree to disagree- I would advocate that as a possible response for the next time.

As for self importance as referenced in your post- I hope I never get so self important (self impotent?) in my own mind as to ask for an opinion and then tell someone who gave me theirs that I wasn't looking for validation from them.

Cheers!

:D
Laurie

Laurie, the tone was reciprocal. In the original ID thread I've already thanked EVERYONE who replied for their thoughts (thanks for your concern). This is the thread that took a life of its own. He just chose to single me out without having the facts. That's dangerous.
cheers as well.

[jessiesgrrl]

You're welcome! :D

As you singled him out, reciprocally, for his thoughts...

Agree to disagree?
:D
Laurie

[greystreet41]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8294679#post8294679 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jessiesgrrl
You're welcome! :D

As you singled him out, reciprocally, for his thoughts...

Agree to disagree?
:D
Laurie

great logic...certainly agree that we disagree....moving on...

[Angela Short]

Uhhh, Whew... Now that this is all out We all have to realize the written word is so hard to read into sometimes...
True there are many chop shop mentalities out there but in this particular case Greystreet just got called out because the quick name then sell/trade offer but he really is not a chop em up guy. But I agree to agree to disagree is a good thing sometimes and leave it at that. :)

[Angela Short]

And back on topic for the naming game...
I understand namming a zoanthid gives one certain rights to call it "there" zoa and I totally agree a tank raised coral is far superior for the natural reefs sake and to be sure it thrives in tank life but, The ocen is a huge place and I just can not belive just because someone got a certain color morph that thats the only "one and only" true XYZ zoa out there. Does that make sence? I am all kinda new in zoanthids but I see repetedly threads about "Is this real or authintic?" I just can not belive there is so much hype over such tiny little polyps! And you could take 1 huge colony of say RPP and spread it up over 5 tanks and 100% guarenteed to get 5 different shades from red to orange to brown. Just my obsevations. Oh and I am not singleing out anyone because I seriously haven't been in this forum to even know who named what! :)

[jessiesgrrl]

I think most of us use the zoaid site for trading reference really. If I am going to trade zoas to another reefer, I just want for both of us to be clear on what I hope to find when his box gets to my house- and so that he knows exactly what I am sending him... Helps cut down confusion.

Now, it gets ugly where people want the EXACT same zoa/paly that they see on Zoaid, and that is where I think we all get into trouble. That is the only reason I can see for wanting to trace the lineage back to a certain coral, really- to ensure that you are really getting what you saw in a pic and not a variation. Marketing will take advantage of this mindset.

Personally, I don't pay for a coral specifically for lineage. It's fine for people who want to, and who like that, but I have lots of other places to spend that kind of money. Plus, when you can trade for it, it kind of doesn't make sense to pay $600 a polyp becauseit is So and So's Clown People Eater... no matter what the waiting list is... especially if you realize that it is likely going to morph anyhow in your tank given different tank paramaters/light and shadow/chem warfare, etc.

:D
Laurie

[Mr. Ugly]

Sorry folks, I wasn't the one to first bring up AoG on any of these threads. I've been avoiding this forum lately, but when I did see the posts, I figured I might as well add some info that might be helpful for ID purposes. Someone brought up Armageddon, so I even posted a pic of the ones I got from Whodah.

I'll just go back to lurk mode now.

Best wishes to all :)

[berns]

well now that everyone's got that off their chest can we get back to my original post...

should zoaid.com change the way they are naming some individual morphs by now placing them into some sort of family/variety and adding all similar morphs into the frame as they are put forward?

should kill a few birds with this one stone.......

[johnanddawn]

berns i totally agree - if you look on zoaid there are many repeats of naming (now i'm not saying these are all the exact same zoas mind you - just similar enough to be possible related?????) - the AOG, armegedon, twilight pink, envy red, goochsters, lord of the rings, piberoptics super nova, pink panther, pucker pink, sparkling bubble gum, sweet pink, tickel me pink, watermelon, etc. etc. come on.......... and you could easily combine many other groups as well (for example look at all the names for pink palys geeezzzz!!!)

i tried to start a conversation on just this subject not long ago and got little response - tank water parameters, flow, and lighting favor the proliferation of certain zoaxanthelea is a pretty widely accepted fact, and many of these names (colormorphs) are simple color acclimation to tank conditions - but i understand that the genetic predisposition has a lot to do with it also - here in lies the true conversation IMO (nature/nurture)

i agree that variety naming makes far more sense in our hobby but since i don't buy on ebay and only sell/trade extras for fun - not profit, i guess it really doesn't matter to me - call them what you want!

sorry if i offended anyone - i don't mean to start anything and will aways agree to agree or disagree :)

[geoxman]

Why don't you ask the owner of the site what he would like to do? It is his site, time and money! I see a few cross referenced/named zoos, but the site is still very helpful in trying to figure out what morph you have, if you are new to zoos.
I have about 20 morphs that are not even on named/identified on the site, and I do not intend on naming them, but I enjoy looking at the different zoos and color variations between each morph and trying to figure out what I might or might not have. Happy zooing!

[greystreet41]

nm

[Reef Junkie]

Listen guys. Zoaid is run by one guy, but he has help from other reefers.
We've been talking about changing some of the groupings of zoas for a while now.

Have patince, it'll get straightend out, but in the meantime, zoaid isn't just about naming zoas. There are some great articles on there too.

[RevHtree]

I agree with Reef Junkie (Bill). Zoaid is not about naming zoas only, but also a place to inform us zoa collectors about many different issues. Fragging, Predators, ect.....

[surfnvb7]

i agree with bill, you zoa newbies need to take the stuff on zoaID with a grain of salt, it was originally meant just for fun, not the basis behind everyone's marketing scheme.

[berns]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8315153#post8315153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by surfnvb7
i agree with bill, you zoa newbies need to take the stuff on zoaID with a grain of salt, it was originally meant just for fun, not the basis behind everyone's marketing scheme.


who gives a monkey about marketing scheme

i guess the plot of my original post has somewat been lost with some replies, but glad to hear that changes may be due:)

[johnanddawn]

who gives a monkey about marketing scheme

i guess the plot of my original post has somewat been lost with some replies, but glad to hear that changes may be due

sure was........ but nice try anyway berns

[BBoley24]

So what do you all expect to see and hear? Before you pass judgement on my post I ask that you look at what I am trying to get accross as unbias as possible.

I understand calling a zoanthid "RadioActive Dragon Eyes" is absolutly ridiculous. And it all started out as all fun and games. I understand how one may look similar... but not... from the next. This is easily and already been explained... people just need something to conform towards so they can try and relate their polyps to the next guys... but honestly.. did you not see this price game coming? One day it will level off... but honestly this hobby is relativly new and expanding at an alarming rate. If there were another type of coral with such variation the same thing would happen to it as well. I am just as ticked off as everyone else around here about the name game driving up prices and ultimatly people getting ripped off... but this is economics at its best. People will buy what they like ... wether they get ripped off or not. I see these Orange Envys out there for 500 bucks a polyp. Thats absolutly un called for. But as much as I think it is beautiful... I think the "Radio Active Dragon Eyes" are even more beautiful at 50 cents a polyp. This is a simple objective view that should not be taken as a blame game but as true economics. I don't see Orange Envys in any LFS in my city of Houston... but everyone and their mothers have the RDEs... which in turn makes the Orange Envys more expensive because of their rarity and slow growth. Its a shame that they are so expensive because they are not traded as often but take it as it is... a rare precious coral zoanthid that should be prized no matter what it looks like.

On the other hand, the expansion of the aquarium hobby and the endangerment of coral reefs should be preserved throughout the world through people like you and I. I feel as if it weren't for us... Such corals would not even be here. And seeing how most of us would not shell out 500 bucks per polyp unfortunatly this coral will either slowly disipate due to lack of circulation or more greedy bastards will buy these polyps or get lucky and obtain them through ignorance and exploit as many people as possible and the Orange Envys will eventually become as common as RDEs. Then the next
"unobtainable" polyp will come around and drive up prices. Its a market now... no longer a free trade sort of deal that we would all love to see.

The other day I was fortunate enough to come across a lady in my area that was willing to trade her PPEs for some of my BAM BAM oranges. Yes I am using the idiotic terms simply because I know all of you can go out and associate your Bright Orange terminology with my bam bam terms... anyhow.. she was well informed of the rarity and pricing of these polyps but she did not care. she was a true enthusiast. At first I thought I was making a great trade because I was getting a well sought after frag... then I thought wow mine are worth far less than hers... score one for me... then I threw it through my head logically and realized that I know when people come over and see my bam bams they are in awe... and dont even mention the PPEs. But it was a self gradifying trade as I now know that I have a well sought after polyp in my tank. Call me a facist or a simple minded individual but when I see those polyps I feel proud to have them in my tank.

In the end... I beleive we all will go through this price increase wether we like it or not... you know as well as I that there is nothing that we can do but keep trading our polyps with disregards to pricing and rarity. But honestly, what would be the fun in that. Why can't we all just collect what we like and what we feel will make us look at our collection and say... wow... I have that.

[berns]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8324835#post8324835 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by johnanddawn
sure was........ but nice try anyway berns


lol nice try at wat????

i live in UK and we dont have lots bright zoa's so all the bickering and price hiking doesnt quite apply over here cause we simply dont have them:p

but im really liking the zoa's and read rc and others similar stateside forums on them and from a personal view i do feel its a shame how things have developed your side even tho i realise the names werent meant tobe anything but a bit of fun:)

[Reef Junkie]

berns,
Welcome to the largest Reef Bulletin Board in the entire world.;)
Some of the comments made on this board are sometimes outlandish, but most people here are good natured.

I've said this many times on the Zoanthid Forum and I'll say it again.

Find someone on here that you like trust and has a proven track record in the hobby and ask the person if it's ok if you can ask them for help. Some of the most successful reef keepers on here have mentors.

Make sure they are willing, live near you and are of the same sex. We have too few women on here for the rest of us nutty guys chasing them away.:wildone:

A mentor will help you avoid really dumb mistakes and be there to laugh at you when you make them (this of course after they told you not to).:lmao:
They also keep you from being over impulsive and wasting time and money...hopefully.:rolleyes:

Some of my protege's have nicer tanks then I do.:sad1:

Cheers

[Reef Junkie]

Doh, double post.

[BBoley24]

ahahahahha that was probably the funniest post I have ever seen on this forum in 2 years! True.. true... especially about the women... they now have electronic restraining orders on RC .... you must stay at least 3 threads away from the plaintiff...

[berns]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8335710#post8335710 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Junkie
berns,
Welcome to the largest Reef Bulletin Board in the entire world.;)
Some of the comments made on this board are sometimes outlandish, but most people here are good natured.

I've said this many times on the Zoanthid Forum and I'll say it again.

Find someone on here that you like trust and has a proven track record in the hobby and ask the person if it's ok if you can ask them for help. Some of the most successful reef keepers on here have mentors.

Make sure they are willing, live near you and are of the same sex. We have too few women on here for the rest of us nutty guys chasing them away.:wildone:

A mentor will help you avoid really dumb mistakes and be there to laugh at you when you make them (this of course after they told you not to).:lmao:
They also keep you from being over impulsive and wasting time and money...hopefully.:rolleyes:

Some of my protege's have nicer tanks then I do.:sad1:

Cheers

yep its a cool site for sure

and i know how we read stuff may not be how the poster meant it to sound as im also one of those nutters:mixed:

as far as zoa's go i not anything too fancy to waste my money which is a shame but then when i do find something very occasionally with wow appeal its like a little victory for "UK the land of drab zoa's" lol

you lot should be ashamed of yourselves re chasing off the women, to find a fem with a zoa passion is at least a compromise if she not to pretty up top:D

anyway im here for the long haul and im a very tongue in cheek type and dont offend easily:D

[berns]

talking of needing help i think i might do re putting the colour back into my pink zoa colonies.

they currently out of main tank (4x2x2 with twin 150w 14k halides) which bleached/turn them brown and now sitting in my prop my tank which is a 6" deep with a 3x 35W T5 tube luminaire over them, ive changed the white tubes for some blue 20k tubes as i read all time more blue better for colouring up but they still not looking any pinker after couple months in there.

prop tank is made up of live rock rubble base with colonies just sitting on that, flow is via a long spray bar over top of colonies, small air lift skimmer produces black water in cup.

i do feed prop tank once a week but wondering if thats enough, was thinking of adding 4 damsels and just feed them so as they inturn produce nutrients for zoa's

is there anything else i could do apart from adding the fish to help get the pink back?

[Reef Junkie]

Try testing your alk and bringing it up higher.
;)

boley,
lol:lol:
It gets funnier, wait.