True PPE?

[EnFuego]

I asked this in another thread, but it wasn't getting answered, so here goes:

What makes something a true PPE? I see that in ads a lot. I was under the impression that it meant it was from the original Blane Pernum PPE line, but that doesn't seem to be the case. There seem to be other lines of what people are advertising as True PPE...is there something I am missing?

[FateX8]

i would have to agree with you on the true ppe being from peruns strain
i have seen many knock offs and they really dont compare to blane's

[jimmy595]

I disagree in that I have seen many diffrent ppe's and the environment they are kept in plays a big part in how they look.

[alexinfla]

it was only blanes mad PS skillz that made his look any better than the rest.

[mikedege]

What makes something a true PPE? I see that in ads a lot. I was under the impression that it meant it was from the original Blane Pernum PPE line, but that doesn't seem to be the case. There seem to be other lines of what people are advertising as True PPE...is there something I am missing?

I agree with this too. they are only "TRUE PPE's" if they can be traced back to the original colony. Otherwise, they are just PPE's.

is there something I am missing?

nope, people call them "TRUE PPE's" cuz they want to sell them for more $$$.

I have some PPE's, but I wont advertise them as TRUE, they might be, but i cant prove it.


imo, Mike:)

[Accepted Eclectic]

just a name for a particular "rare" morph. That's all.
D

[mfinn]

True PPE???

A marketing scheme to take more of your money.

A PPE is a PPE.

As long as the color is right, the green slit for the mouth and green skirt, the size and the white lines on the outside of the polyp when it is closed up, it's a PPE.
The word "True" shouldn't have anything to do with it.

[Reef Junkie]

Right, if you truely believe the hype that Blane was the only person 4 years ago that got that strain, then you're greener then the skirts on a PPE.

Like most strains that are introduced to the hobby, when they hit the market, everyone gets them. The only reason they weren't a big hit then is because zoas were not big then.

These are not from Blane.;)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/reefphd/PPEBabycopy.jpg

[Blitz99]

are these true??? i dont care, all i care about is that i have PPE's... nothing makes blane's better then mine, or mine better then shemps.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f317/JCrute/croppedppes-1.jpg

[ViPeR_930]

Blitz, only if they can be traced back to Blane Perun. Since you're not sure, they're probably not from Blane. :)

[Reef Junkie]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8712504#post8712504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ViPeR_930
Blitz, only if they can be traced back to Blane Perun. Since you're not sure, they're probably not from Blane. :)

:lmao:
You have to be kidding.:rolleyes:

[msman825]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8712504#post8712504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ViPeR_930
Blitz, only if they can be traced back to Blane Perun. Since you're not sure, they're probably not from Blane. :) oh man, copps would love this one:lol: :lol: :lol:

[mfinn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8712504#post8712504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ViPeR_930
Blitz, only if they can be traced back to Blane Perun. Since you're not sure, they're probably not from Blane. :)

That's a load of hoey, if I ever heard one.

[msman825]

So i guess if there not stamped purun's there not PPE's.

[MarvinsReef]

I know the story behind Blane's PPE's but I'm not about to go there.. ;)

Blitz.. great shot of your PPE's btw.. :)

Marvin

[JGoslee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8712504#post8712504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ViPeR_930
Blitz, only if they can be traced back to Blane Perun. Since you're not sure, they're probably not from Blane. :)
Wow! LOL

[jimmy595]

I have some in my little tank and the skirts dont look all that bright green, but i believe this to be due to my crap tastic PC lighting(50/50 blubs :(). But I still like them none the less some day I hope to put them under some t5s or halides to see how they look under that but I just dont have the $$.

[ViPeR_930]

Hmm am I missing something here? My reply simply agreed with many of the replies that came before.

[EnFuego]

Didn't want to start an argument. It just seems like people used to attach "true" to the ones from pernum, and now everyone is doing it. Obviously its marketing, but I didn't know if there was some sort of generally accepted standard of when to add "true" to the title.

Thanks for all the input.

[ViPeR_930]

Been thinking about it too EnFuego. I think the issue here is whether or not people would say that "true" means the original strain from Blane Perun. Seems like the people whom oh so nicely :rolleyes: disagreed with my first reply do not think so.

[MUCHO REEF]

I think we have to remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong. It is my hope that one day we can all just appreciate zoas and palys the way we use to before naming came to be. There is a lot to be said about this topic, but like Marvin, I won't go there.

I prefer to collect what is appealing to me and that which enhances my collection. It can be Coyote ugly, but if I like it, I'm going to get it.

I have said this locally for years but never outside of Michigan. I had PPE long before I saw them anywhere on anyones site. I'm guessing at least 7 years ago. I use to give them away or trade them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and yes the PPE are nice, but I can think of over 2 dozen more that are even prettier. I'm not knocking the PPE's, again, there are nice but only in the proper lighting combination.

I think we must all keep in mind that RC is not the only place where pictures are posted. To say and think that every super nice morph out there has been shown, posted or revealed on line is simply not the truth. Case in point, I did a search for something that I have yet to see in the 20 places on line that I have looked. Does that mean that no one else has them? NO, it just means that no one has posted them. Many reefers don't have a computer and I beleive there is an awful lot of colors in homes around the world that have yet to be revealed to any of us.

BTW, I agree 100% with Jimmy595.

It is indeed possible to have two frags of PPE's from the same mother colony, with one that is dull and washed out and one as stunning as the pics above. How? Place one of those stunning frags in a tank with unstable parameters, low or inadequate current, weak, poor, unbalance, improper spectrum or inadequate lighting and you'll see what will happen in a matter of days to weeks.

"nope, people call them "TRUE PPE's" cuz they want to sell them for more $$$."

Just one of the reasons I advocate knowledge first over anything else. I see so many reefers dooped because they went for a name first instead of knowledge.

Just my 2 cents, ....I mean 3 cents.

Mucho Reef

[Psychographic]

So you people who claim the only "True" PPE's only came from one particular colony believe THAT was the only colony of this strain in any ocean on the planet? BS!

That would be like one person breeding Hippo Tangs and claiming offspring from theirs to be the only "True" hippo tangs available, meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of them in the wild.

As for naming coral, especially Zoa's, it was a good idea in the beginning in order to identify them. Now I think it's more about profit. I also think many people have lost the whole idea of fragging, was'nt it started as a way for reefers to save money by trading or buying small pieces at a fair price to start their own colonies? Now it's all about "I'll give them some exotic name and bang who i can for all I can". PPE's are a good example, $50 per polyp, give me a break! I know if I wait I can get 5 polyps for about $25-35. Luckily not everyone is so Damn greedy.

[Mr. Ugly]

Apparently, "True" is the new "Rare".

The next adjective of choice will be "Uncommon". This can be combined with "True", as in "Truely uncommon!".

Don't make a mistake and describe your coral as "Rarely uncommon!" though.

:)

[ViPeR_930]

This is starting to look a lot like the Tyree LE threads.
I would pay a lot for a "truly" captive bred and raised hippo tang.:p

[Reef Junkie]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8719693#post8719693 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr. Ugly
Apparently, "True" is the new "Rare".

The next adjective of choice will be "Uncommon". This can be combined with "True", as in "Truely uncommon!".

Don't make a mistake and describe your coral as "Rarely uncommon!" though.

:)

:lol:
You taking a pop shot at me! lol, jk.
I've found myself using those terms lately, I have to stop.;)

[Mr. Ugly]

Heya Bill,

I have no prob with the term "true" when it applies to the situation :)

I started using it myself. Then I started seeing the term misused more and more. To the point that it doesn't help to use the term anymore.

Just like sometimes people don't even think what rare really means. A lot of times people actually mean "desireable in some way", which is fine too. But things can be desireable even when they are not necessarily rare.

I started using the term "uncommon" when that is specifically what I mean. If I say "rare", people take can take it the wrong way :)

[Reef Junkie]

Right!? Like the term True Love. For all of you that aren't married, don't be fooled, it's a trap! :lol:

I just find it hard to believe that some people still think that Blane had the rights to that specific strain of coral. He was just lucky enough to get it like hundreds, (if not thousands) of retailers around the country at that time.;)

[jimsflies]

True or False? LOL :D

http://www.jimsflies.com/reeftank/ppe_march06.jpg

[EnFuego]

those are phenominal

[cokeandsmile]

gess will have to start paying money for a regeristry like we do for purebred animals make the cost go even up more and anything not registered will be mutt's lol and by the way ill go with the mutt's lol sorry this linage thing has gotten a bit outa hand like the saying goes" if it quacks like a duck must be a duck" lol

[smp]

Lineages with dogs have to do with pedigree.
People bred a certain strain for desirable traits and the lineage can be traced back to it's origins, this is the meaning of pedigree.
The difference with corals is that they are not bred for selective traits, they are pulled out of the wild and then certain individuals decide to capitalize. These certain individuals are in no way, shape or form responsible for the colour of the coral, the shape, NOTHING. The only thing that the individual can be responsible for is marketing.

Key word here folks, 'capitalize'. If you want to complain about naming corals, terminology, profiteering etc, then what you have fault with is capitalism. So either deal with it, or vote for the communist party.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you either love the system or you think it's bogus, choose one.
Personally, if I dare get political here and show my "true colours" if you will, I think that capitalism is an unsustainable system that has seen it's day. We need something new (I don't think it's communism either).


Thank you Mucho for a very sound post.

[Reef Junkie]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8742478#post8742478 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by smp
So either deal with it, or vote for the communist party.


Hands down the best quotable line from this thread.:D