Aquatronica Ver 6 Wish List

[RobbyG]

A Thread for new features that you would like to see in Version 6. Lets keep in mind that there are limits to what this unit can do.

[RobbyG]

First thing I would like to see is the Ethernet Web page having more controls. The Ability to Unlock a locked program is important. I know others might want to be able to change programs or add new ones via ethernet.

I also really really would love to be able to display the graphs via Ethernet. If I get an email Alarm I need to be able to see what was happening prior to the Alarm going off. Eg it might show that my Tanks Temp is high, if I can look at the graph I can determine at what point my chiller should have clicked in and if the Temp still went up in a linear line then I know the chiller is not working. If the graph shows a leveling off curve I know the chiller came on but the room temperature may be so hot that the chiller cannot fully compensate but should level out at an acceptable level.

Lastly I think the Dosing pump should show up on the ethernet page. Being able to remotely add a buffer may be the only way I can compensate remotely for a rise or fall in pH if I am far away from my tank.

[Psyire]

Programming of unit through ethernet/webserver.

edit: you beat me to it, and I also agree with your above points. Graphing via. Ethernet module would be something that is very useful.

[dbond]

Ideally I would prefer to do everything via the ethernet that I now do with the pc interface.

[RobbyG]

An add on Memory port for storing Graph Data.

My idea is a small unit about the size of one of the probe modules.

It has a USB cable that plugs into the powerstrip on one side and on the other side it has a female USB port that you can plug a regular USB Memory Key into.

Plug in a 1gb memory key and the controller starts sending the graph data to the key. Unplug the Key and the controller keeps storing as much data as it can internally until you replug back in the key. When key is plugged back in it dumps the stored data into the Key and clears its buffer.

Create a option in the PC software that I can read the memory key data and graph it while it is connected or I can take the key to work plug it into a usb port at work, run the AQ software on my work PC use another menu option and read it directly.


This should allow months worth of 30 minute samples to be stored on even a 1gb key.

[RobbyG]

You have to be a fast clicker on the Submit Button :)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8716092#post8716092 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Psyire
Programming of unit through ethernet/webserver.

edit: you beat me to it, and I also agree with your above points. Graphing via. Ethernet module would be something that is very useful.

[Dubge]

Unblock a blocked program! Also to send an email for a blocked program.

How about a webcam that plugs into the controller. You can see a small window with your tank on it as you are looking at the real time monitor.

How about a fish feeder.

[RobbyG]

An email should be sent Automatically if the controller loses contact with a attached module or float switch.

[Captain Quirk]

Uh, bug fixes?

Simplifying the use of the deltas would be nice, too (how about a plain old desired and max/min value instead?).

Improvement on the/fix for backup/restore issues. Be able to do a backup that could be dumped to a text file for manual input.

Memory add on module as per Robby's post. I would not have the memory be cleared if removed and inserted, however. I'd make that something that needed interaction (other than just pulling the thing out).

A wizard for configuring stuff would be nice, and not all too difficult to implement. Not from what I can tell, at least.

[Captain Quirk]

How about a confirmation screen when making changes via the PC software? Lots of times I fiddle with things to see what options come up after I make a selection, and sometimes I don't remember what I started with. It's not like I can hit the escape key, or something, to abandon the changes.

I'm trying to be careful and remember/write down what I had first, but IMO it'd be a lot easier if there were a way to abandon the changes.

I WAS going to suggest a backup and restore, but, um...

:rolleye1:

[DaveWC]

Some other method of determining precedence over the programs. Like a weighting that the user selects... a number from 1 to 100, higher weighting takes precedence.

So you set up a pH program for your calcium reactor (yeah I know, I'll run it 24/7, but still...) and assign it a precedence of 50. Then you enter a timer program for the daytime to turn the solenoid ON and assign it a precedence of 40. Now the pH program will have precedence and will control the solenoid and override the timer and turn it off when necessary. Then you enter a timer program for the nighttime to turn the solenoid OFF and assign it a precedence of 60. The pH controller won't be able to turn the solenoid on as the timer has precedence.

btw, how do you enter a timer program to turn something off? I tried and it doesn't work. Anyway, this seems like it would solve a lot of problems and overcome the weakness of having the competing programs gain control on the basis of when they were entered.

[RobbyG]

Can we please finally get some kind of logging going on for the powerbars. We have been asking for this from last year. If memory space is a problem, can we at least be able to log one or two plugs! Many of us would like to know how many hours per day our chillers or heaters are running and at what time. Just a simple (Y Scale) On/Off graph would be so nice.

[gigiba]

If memeory is an issue, I hope they can use USB memeory key and store all logs plus backup configuration.,then, I can remove this key any time i want and unload to my laptop or something. This feature will blow all competitors out there (Ultra flexible).
Please take the advanatge of the USB all the way !!!

USB Camera - take shoots and store on the USB key, use Ethernet module to remote the camera and take shots when I am at work.
I will setup a server to do live feed off the camera.. WoW.


This is my New Year wish.

[Psyire]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8741053#post8741053 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DaveWC
Some other method of determining precedence over the programs. Like a weighting that the user selects... a number from 1 to 100, higher weighting takes precedence.



This would be awesome

[RobbyG]

Three ideas for the Ethernet.

1) The Ability to turn OFF an alarm from the webpage. If you have a situation were an alarm is emailing you constantly about a condition, at some point it would be nice to login and turn off the alarm.

2) The Ability to set the maximum amount of emails per hour that are sent out. If I have a setting to alarm if pH reaches above 8.35 what happens is the pH may bounce between 8.33 and 8.35 for a few minutes and generate about 20 emails in the process. I could set the alarm at 8.4 but I don't want to set alarm values so high that the situation is critical when I am notified. If I could set a maximum of number of emails per hour, it would really help.

3) It would be nice if the webpage displayed the Date and Time that the controller are set to.

[Psyire]

I would sooner see a delay type setting in the alarm controls that would allow for bouncing alarms to be ignored for a certain amount of time. I have the same problem with the audible alarm, as it will sound over and over despite repeated 'acknowledges'. (if bouncing on alarm point) There should be a time delay built in so that it ignores bouncing alarms...

[RobbyG]

Yes Psyire that was kind of what I was thinking but you explained it a lot better than me:) I guess its a sort of repeats per hour amount.

BTW that Audible alarm, we asked AQ about this before, it would be real nice if When you pressed the Enter button to temporarily disable it, if the unit would allow you to set an amount of time for it to be disabled.

[Dave_Pugh]

Ability to specify a time period for level programs.

This is so I can create two programs using the same level, one for taking water from an RO reservoir during the day and another for taking water from RO reservoir via a kalkstirer at night.

Dave

[jklkrkak]

how about the ability to choose different screen layouts, i personally prefered the old version where it should the tank temperture all the time in the bottom right or maybe you can select what you want to see shown all the time in the bottom right, the fact it shows time and the date all the time to me is not wanted, id rather have the ph, temp, redox ect shown all the time then the date and time.

[RobbyG]

I Dont know if I would want the Time and Date to be gone, I often use them as a reference when setting up programs and also to make sure my feed timer is in Sync so the pump goes off at the right time. I don't want to have to wade through menu's to find out the clock setting. It would be nice to have a choice of screen layouts but that might be difficult. Possibly an option to select either the pH or temp or Salinity as being put in the lower right might be nice without changing the clock.

[RobbyG]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8852341#post8852341 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dave_Pugh
Ability to specify a time period for level programs.

This is so I can create two programs using the same level, one for taking water from an RO reservoir during the day and another for taking water from RO reservoir via a kalkstirer at night.

Dave

Can't you just do it with XY and the pH as a reference? It might not always work out exactly the same but it would keep the pH constant which is what I think your trying to achieve.

[jklkrkak]

ok keep the time and loose the date, you can surly work the date out for yourself

[RobbyG]

Since the Ethernet module is connected to the Internet 24/7 how about adding a feature to the Ethernet called "Auto Clock Setting"
The module will go out on the Internet and get the correct time and date from an Atomic clock server and resync the controller at least once per day. All that is needed is a new menu option for GMT offset and maybe a update Interval. This would be a cool addition.

[jklkrkak]

yes it may be a nice feature but i feel there are other more important issues to deal with, the fact that a lot of these contollers is having problems when an update is done for the unit to work correctly or even at all after doing this, it takes a lot of people a lot of time to fiddle with the unit after and update, something that should be routine.

[ppht]

Minimum on times.. To compliment Max on times.
When connecting via Serial Connection Controller alternates it current settings for example lights go on and off.

[RobbyG]

I agree, but the auto time setting would eliminate the problem of the clock needing to be reset after a long power outage. Thats just one less thing to worry about if your away from home.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8937598#post8937598 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jklkrkak
yes it may be a nice feature but i feel there are other more important issues to deal with, the fact that a lot of these contollers is having problems when an update is done for the unit to work correctly or even at all after doing this, it takes a lot of people a lot of time to fiddle with the unit after and update, something that should be routine.

[RobbyG]

Set a Delay period for Alarms. It would be nice to be able to set a delay from a few seconds to at least 30 Minutes. This would be useful for when you turn off the pump for feeding or are moving a device for cleaning etc. Now that emails are being sent out we need ways to eliminate extra ones being sent out every time we move something in the tank for even one second.

[ppht]

Oh Also when getting an audible alarm. The ability to disarm it when you cant address it. Now you can cancel audio alarm but as soon as it trip again it goes off...

[Captain Quirk]

It's taken about every ounce of my strength to keep from chiming in and going into a diatribe... I'll make this short.

They need to FIX WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE OUT *BEFORE* EVEN **THINKING** ABOUT ADDING FEATURES AND/OR MODULES!

To say I'm disgusted with the attention paid to some of these issues would be a GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT.

They need a better handle on product life cycle development and project management. Also, a better understanding of "proprietary" and when it makes sense and not. The flexibility of this system has been hobbled by their insistence on making things proprietary as well as their inability/refusal to FIX WHAT'S BROKEN.

I resent that legitimate concerns are seemingly brushed aside. Although I appreciate that some of you are trying to be supportive of them and their efforts, I cannot excuse their sidestepping the issues, either because they don't know how to fix it or don't feel the issues are "important".

Before I bought this thing I was as excited as a kid on Christmas morning - I couldn't WAIT to do all these things with it! It was supposed to be able to do everything under the sun, and do it well. Little did I know the minefield of technical issues I would run into.

See - this is why I didn't want to post... It turned into a rant.

Don't be surprised if you see a "for sale" post shortly... I'll go back to timers and my Ranco controller.

I WANT THIS THING TO WORK - AND BE ALL IT CAN BE! But from where I sit now, I think I have better odds of winning the lottery on a day when all the planets are lined up. During a leap year. On a harvest moon...

[ppht]

kernelangus - Just curiuos what issues have you had?

[RobbyG]

This is a Ver 6 Wish list, if you have a bug complaint there is a Ver 5 bug thread that you can add the complaint to. Personally I have had no problems with my unit beyond the Salinity probe issue. I appreciate the fact that I might have gotten lucky and some people do have legitimate problems. That is still not going to stop me from asking Aquatronica about new features being added, because the vast majority of people don't seem to have any major problems. The thought of the whole technology stopping to evolve for those few people who do have problems is not a good idea in my opinion. Like ppht I am a bit puzzled by your statements Kernelangus. You have not posted any complaints or problems in the last few months so could you please make a new separate post and list what is wrong with your system.

[Captain Quirk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8946676#post8946676 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RobbyG
This is a Ver 6 Wish list, if you have a bug complaint there is a Ver 5 bug thread that you can add the complaint to. Personally I have had no problems with my unit beyond the Salinity probe issue. I appreciate the fact that I might have gotten lucky and some people do have legitimate problems. That is still not going to stop me from asking Aquatronica about new features being added, because the vast majority of people don't seem to have any major problems. The thought of the whole technology stopping to evolve for those few people who do have problems is not a good idea in my opinion. Like ppht I am a bit puzzled by your statements Kernelangus. You have not posted any complaints or problems in the last few months so could you please make a new separate post and list what is wrong with your system.

Like making posts in the V5 bug thread makes a difference...

You have seen that my software issue was real.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=944740&perpage=25&highlight=kernelangus&pagenumber=1

Wish lists are great. But I think there needs to be a priority on making EXISTING STUFF *WORK*. The backup/restore issue IS a MAJOR PROBLEM. That alone is why I haven't played with this thing more; I'm worried about screwing something up and not being able to get my temp programs to work properly again.

And I'm not asking that they don't develop anything new - I'm just asking that they fix what they have before dumping all (or a vast amount of) their resources into new development. Seems reasonable to me...

As for my not making posts RECENTLY (not months by any stretch), it's because I've basically given up. I kept hoping there would be an update that would fix some of these things, but after checking again last night via the software and finding nothing, I decided to check these threads again. Hence my post.

Let me clue you in to something: a problem is often a minor problem when YOU are not the one with the problem.

Since you are not experiencing these problems, and, apparently, a lot more at ease with the system than I appear to be, you don't mind monkeying with it. *I DO*. I don't have the TIME to un-screw a system that's barfed because something I was trying to do didn't work. Even if I was fluent, it still takes a bit of time to toss things together again. If the backups were RELIABLE then I wouldn't mind taking the chance. But since they aren't, I have a hands off approach with this controller. Even if I set everything back up exactly as it was, I still have to babysit the system to make sure everything dropped back into place like it should have.

I realize that you are trying to be objective, Robby. However it appears as though you show favoritism towards AT. I've read about every post you've made within these forums, and I have yet to truly see you criticize them for some of these shortcomings. I don't get it. Granted, they are making efforts to do some really great things. But their short sighted approach (mainly by making things proprietary and not very diverse) is hobbling it's great potential. And appearing to put their heads in the sand with regards to what needs to be done is no help. The backup issue, for instance, can not be considered ANYTHING but a MAJOR ISSUE! Why is it being trivialized?

What's it gonna take for them to wake up and smell the coffee?

Again, I've stayed off the lists because it's pretty much been nothing but an exercise in futility. I get enough of that at work, thank you. And, believe it or not, I'm working hard on not allowing negativity to impair my judgment. But AFAIC, here, there are serious issues that have yet to be addressed. And I'm not getting any indications that they will... At least any time soon.

PM me if you want to yell at me - let's leave everyone else out of it.

[Captain Quirk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8945935#post8945935 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ppht
kernelangus - Just curiuos what issues have you had?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=979343&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

Not "my" issue but an issue I felt was important and not being considered seriously. And having the unit default to "view only" mode if the password fails?

*shakes head*

That thread has quite a lot of my comments.

In short:

Backups that do not always restore.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=979343&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

PC software that can't actually program the controller.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=944740

Inability to use standard USB cables and/or devices (such as a USB to ethernet converter - so I can run a power bar a hundred feet or so away (for my topoff/mix/fill pump)).

(Hmm. Can't find that post. But someone said that the ethernet to usb converters used the wrong voltage and would blow your power bar. Also, I recall a statement that standard USB cables can't even be used, and that the AT cables had ends that could not be reversed (what's up with THAT!?))

Probe holders that SUCK (as soon as someone figures out how to keep them in place, please, let me know... Short of epoxy, that is).

Although I want an ethernet module - badly! - I'm not gonna drop another DIME on anything AT until I see whether or not they'll be working out any of these issues... Sometime during my lifetime would be nice.

Please PM me if you would like to know more of my thoughts. And if anyone wants to bicker, please, let's keep that off the board.

[RobbyG]

I think I understand your problem better now. I was a bit puzzled when you posted a link to the thread about using the temperature programs. I had ended that thread by posting the exact program that would solve your problem but of course that is not going to be of use to you if you don't feel comfortable making changes.

I understand how you feel exactly. You currently have a semi working situation and you dont want to mess with it unless you have a 1 click restore option.

The reason I have not gone on and on about the backup issue is because I have been told that it is a high priority item and that they are working on it for the next release, so there is no point asking about it over and over when they have acknowledged the problem and are getting it fixed.

Your statement about me not complaining about stuff is not true, I have been complaining about the Salinity probe over and over and the reason I do so, is because they seem to ignore the complaints and have yet to even make an official statement about. BTW have you taken a quick peek over at the Neptune forum? You can then understand that there is no such thing as a perfect controller, they all have bugs and problems.

Something I have noticed about Aquatronica users is that they love the features, looks and system outlay so much that they believe it has got to be perfect, just like a Sony Vio or Ipod. Then they get very angry when they find a flaw. From what I have seen if your looking for a perfect controller you better stick to something very simple, because all of the High tech models are going to have some problems and you either work with it or wait for updates and fixes.

Just so others realize, while I was doing the controller comparison chart I read dozens of forums from all different countries and what I discovered is that the Aquatronica is in the top 10% of trouble free units. So much so that many of the European forums consider it one of the best unit out there, and these people have easy access to a lot more models of sophisticated controllers than North Americans.

[Captain Quirk]

I think I understand your problem better now. I was a bit puzzled when you posted a link to the thread about using the temperature programs. I had ended that thread by posting the exact program that would solve your problem but of course that is not going to be of use to you if you don't feel comfortable making changes.

IIRC I did try it and it didn't work. Got something from AT that also didn't work. I think I ended up going with one that someone else had posted... Dunno. Been a while.

I understand how you feel exactly. You currently have a semi working situation and you dont want to mess with it unless you have a 1 click restore option.

In a nutshell, yes. I'm sure you'll be able to relate when I tell you how unnerving it can be when messing with something that could make your tank crash.

The reason I have not gone on and on about the backup issue is because I have been told that it is a high priority item and that they are working on it for the next release, so there is no point asking about it over and over when they have acknowledged the problem and are getting it fixed.

I don't recall that it would absolutely be included in the next VERSION. I was thinking it would be a part of a revision (just noted that you said RELEASE... Damned terms!). I was thinking, honestly, that an issue as big as that one wouldn't be put off until other release items had been created/done... However I suppose we will see.

Your statement about me not complaining about stuff is not true, I have been complaining about the Salinity probe over and over and the reason I do so, is because they seem to ignore the complaints and have yet to even make an official statement about.

Kind of my point...

BTW have you taken a quick peek over at the Neptune forum? You can then understand that there is no such thing as a perfect controller, they all have bugs and problems.

Agreed.

Something I have noticed about Aquatronica users is that they love the features, looks and system outlay so much that they believe it has got to be perfect, just like a Sony Vio or Ipod. Then they get very angry when they find a flaw.

That's over simplifying it, don't you think? These are not just blemishes, these are gaping wounds. And honestly, if it took ANY ADVANTAGE of all the flexibility it's got, I'd be more inclined to shut up. What's the point of being able to control up to 250 (?) different things if you can't do them for aquariums in another room? Why can't I extend the distance between my powerbars so I can drive a topoff pump that's located 100 or so feet away? If they used STANDARD USB voltages I could put on a USB/Ethernet converter and just toss a cat5 cable up into my attic and be done with it. Or what if I wanted to keep an eye on my daughters aquarium in her room? They don't make cables that long, and even if they did, frankly, I'm afraid what it might cost. But since they don't I'll never know... And the ability to have the controller farther than 8 ft away from the first powerbar would be nice, too. But I can deal with that far more than I can some of this other stuff.

Just so others realize, while I was doing the controller comparison chart I read dozens of forums from all different countries and what I discovered is that the Aquatronica is in the top 10% of trouble free units.

I can't imagine how, but I'll take your word for it. It wasn't on a sales brochure, was it? And, oh, BTW, the statement "Aquatronica is in the top 10% of trouble free units" doesn't make sense. The unit is NOT trouble free. Perhaps it was in the top ten for controllers, maybe?

So much so that many of the European forums consider it one of the best unit out there, and these people have easy access to a lot more models of sophisticated controllers than North Americans.

That they do. Some are just plain insane.

Take a peek at your PM's and take a peek at that other controller I was telling you about. Not much to NOT like about that thing, except, perhaps, that the powerbars were only 4 plugs per bar...

Glad to see we're not duking it out. I was concerned about that for a bit...

BTW, any news on when a new release is planned? I haven't heard and was wondering if you had... Not holding my breath, mind you...

[RobbyG]

I did not get a PM from you about a controller but it sounds like your talking about this one.

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26797

Read the whole thread, does it sound familiar? As you can see every controller has it's problems.


After Reading the statement below, I can see there will be no satisfying you so let me just shut up on further statements, I have been down this road already, my best advice to you is to sell your AQ as soon as possible as it will NEVER be what you want.
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That's over simplifying it, don't you think? These are not just blemishes, these are gaping wounds. And honestly, if it took ANY ADVANTAGE of all the flexibility it's got, I'd be more inclined to shut up. What's the point of being able to control up to 250 (?) different things if you can't do them for aquariums in another room? Why can't I extend the distance between my powerbars so I can drive a topoff pump that's located 100 or so feet away? If they used STANDARD USB voltages I could put on a USB/Ethernet converter and just toss a cat5 cable up into my attic and be done with it. Or what if I wanted to keep an eye on my daughters aquarium in her room? They don't make cables that long, and even if they did, frankly, I'm afraid what it might cost. But since they don't I'll never know... And the ability to have the controller farther than 8 ft away from the first powerbar would be nice, too. But I can deal with that far more than I can some of this other stuff.
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[DaveWC]

Hmmm, that thread rings a bell. It's weird how it was ok for them to bash the AQT controller but the shoe didn't feel like it fit on the Profilux foot.

[nickjj]

Just want to say that I'm very happy with my AQ system. It has automated a lot of the functions that I require to run my tank.

I would like to see some better logging of the on times of the plugs as well as have some control over the audible alarm. Having a volume control and being able to change the alarm tone since it sounds exactly like my dryer end tone would be usufull.

With regard to extending usb cables for additional power bars, has anyone tried a usb extender cable? You can get them in 16 foot lengths and can connect them together to a maximum of 80 feet.

[RobbyG]

Nick you can use a 16 foot USB cable and put the powerbar at that distance. I have not heard of anybody using a 20ft cable but it might work. Going 80 ft is probably not going to work, but if you ever try it, let me know :)

[Captain Quirk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8948767#post8948767 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RobbyG
I did not get a PM from you about a controller but it sounds like your talking about this one.

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26797

Read the whole thread, does it sound familiar? As you can see every controller has it's problems.


After Reading the statement below, I can see there will be no satisfying you so let me just shut up on further statements, I have been down this road already, my best advice to you is to sell your AQ as soon as possible as it will NEVER be what you want.
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That's over simplifying it, don't you think? These are not just blemishes, these are gaping wounds. And honestly, if it took ANY ADVANTAGE of all the flexibility it's got, I'd be more inclined to shut up. What's the point of being able to control up to 250 (?) different things if you can't do them for aquariums in another room? Why can't I extend the distance between my powerbars so I can drive a topoff pump that's located 100 or so feet away? If they used STANDARD USB voltages I could put on a USB/Ethernet converter and just toss a cat5 cable up into my attic and be done with it. Or what if I wanted to keep an eye on my daughters aquarium in her room? They don't make cables that long, and even if they did, frankly, I'm afraid what it might cost. But since they don't I'll never know... And the ability to have the controller farther than 8 ft away from the first powerbar would be nice, too. But I can deal with that far more than I can some of this other stuff.
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Not sure where the PM went. Hmm.

At any rate, here's the web page: (http://www.rc-squared.com/products.htm)

And the thread where they were designing it: (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=692306)

Hadn't seen the one you mentioned; neat. There are a surprising amount of controllers hitting the market these days, however one wonders how cautious they might need to be because if you buy a controller and the manufacturer folds, you've got a paperweight (or not - I mean, if they work at all, then they're still useful... It's just that ongoing support/parts would be an issue).

I BELIEVE this has potential. It's just that I think there is a lack of understanding as to what's important. And, honestly, speaking of understanding, the language barrier is a MAJOR problem for these folks. In fact, it's probably the biggest barrier that I'm aware of. It could be that the development guys are clueless, however I have no evidence one way or the other. Please note that this by NO means I do not appreciate the efforts of Gilberto in this.

I will just continue to wait until the next RELEASE (keeping my terms straight here). Then we'll see what happens... That'll give me an indication as to whether or not they're taking any of these concerns seriously.

In thinking about this a bit more, though, I'm thinking that the lack of communication in general is the biggest issue of all. Again, no reflection on Gilberto; he's doing the best he can.

Doesn't anybody here speak Italian (Spanish?) well enough to translate some of this stuff for us? I mean, come on, we're a big community here...

???

[DaveWC]

Just don't use a USB extender. You know, the type that uses Ethernet cable between two converters with USB connected to them. Not only won't it work, the USB extender will become unusable for any other purpose.

[Captain Quirk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8955336#post8955336 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RobbyG
Nick you can use a 16 foot USB cable and put the powerbar at that distance. I have not heard of anybody using a 20ft cable but it might work. Going 80 ft is probably not going to work, but if you ever try it, let me know :)

Wait. I thought someone said that you CANNOT use standard USB cables with these units. That, and the cables could only be used in one direction. True?

And what makes you think 80 feet is too far? Is this substantiated by anything but a guesstimate? My needs are probably closer to 120, however if I could get that to work, I'd be a substantially happier camper.

???

[RobbyG]

DaveWC
I agree, very strange that they got so upset, especially when some of those guys use to hammer the Aquatronica. BTW I really like the unit but its 4 port expansion is just way too limited and the display is kind of weak. I do like that software layout and the overall package/price ratio is good.


Kernelangus
You can use regular USB cables, I am using some at home right now. I said 18 ft because USB spec calls for a maximum of 16.5ft but I have seen people use 18 without any problems. Even though AQ uses non USB bus voltages I assume that its signal will degrade at the regular USB rate, I might be wrong but I have not seen anybody use a 80ft cable and I doubt you could even buy one. BTW dont plug the USB into regular USB hubs or other USB devices, it will burn them out but the regular usb cables work fine.

[nickjj]

You could extend your usb connection beyond 20 feet by connecting these cables together. Here's a link to one manufacturers cable [http://www.usbgear.com/USB2_extension_Cable/usb-extension-cable.html

Not sure if the'll work with the AQ usb.

[ik2vov]

Aquatronica uses standard USB connectors.
The connections on the plugs of the USB port are not as the standard PC USB ports, these are different. It's possible to use standard USB cables till 15 meters, it's not possible to use USB HUB or other PC products.

Bye

[RobbyG]

NO NO NO Nick this will burn up the Extender or your AQ. The AQ does not put out regular USB bus voltages and will not work with regular USB amplifiers repeaters or hubs. Only thing from PC USB that you can use are the cables.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8958837#post8958837 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nickjj
You could extend your usb connection beyond 20 feet by connecting these cables together. Here's a link to one manufacturers cable [http://www.usbgear.com/USB2_extension_Cable/usb-extension-cable.html

Not sure if the'll work with the AQ usb.

[RobbyG]

Wow 45 ft. Thats cool.

BTW guys lets get this post back on track with the Ver 6 wish list items.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8960852#post8960852 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ik2vov
Aquatronica uses standard USB connectors.
The connections on the plugs of the USB port are not as the standard PC USB ports, these are different. It's possible to use standard USB cables till 15 meters, it's not possible to use USB HUB or other PC products.

Bye

[ppht]

Also They make Cat-5 Baluns. A box that goes on each end of Cat-5 to convert USB over a long Cat-5.. I have used them in office enviroments and havent used them for aquatronica but they work on all othe USB 2.0 applications. The distance is 150 ft... I am thinking of relocating my sump and using them to put 1 power strip in the basement...

[nickjj]

If the AQ doesn't use standard bus voltages it will be very difficult to connect any flash memory for logging storage. That's real unfortunate.
Anyways your right lets get this thread back on topic.

I'd like to have the ability to resize the software window. Does everyones always open full screen.
Also the abilty for the function screens to resize the text depending on the window size. you have to always scroll up and down. I've got a large flat panel monitor and the fonts are about 1/2" high. I wear glasses but I'm not blind.
Overall a gui cleanup of the software interface would be nice.

[RobbyG]

Re USB memory:
It should not be all that difficult, they just have to build a module to convert the bus format and communication protocol. It should be a very small unit if it's ever made.

Re PC software.
Being able to open saved graph files within the software would be nice, its a bit of a pain importing them into excel.

[Deano 1971]

Please forgive me if my wish is possible, but i am new to this and pulling my hair out trying.

I would like to be able to dose my kalkstirer at night so my ph is kept more constant. The only way i can see that this is possible at the moment is to use two solinoid valves on my ro unit (1 on a timer to open from 00.00 - 08.00 and another in the same line that will open when my level sensor drops to Level 1. )

It would be better if the timer could over-ride the level sensor and save the need for 2 valves to do the job. Spending more money on an extra solinoid valve seems crazy to me after speding £400 on a computer to do the task.

Anyone been able to find a solution to this problem?

[RobbyG]

Can you start a new post with this question, the Ver6 wish list is off track already, dont want to make it worst. I can help you out on the new post.

[H.a.Z]

This is maybe not for ver. 6, but maybe 8 or 9.

It seems future lamps (LED) will have computers controlling them, moonphases, weather changes etc. And it seem it will get tricky to combine different lamps on one system.

Maybe Aquatronica could look into that :)

[Psyire]

I think I just heard the "popping" sound of some engineer's head. lol

[Mantis]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8955336#post8955336 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RobbyG
Nick you can use a 16 foot USB cable and put the powerbar at that distance. I have not heard of anybody using a 20ft cable but it might work. Going 80 ft is probably not going to work, but if you ever try it, let me know :)

Just to let everyone know you can use passive usb extension cords, just not the ones with the repeaters.

My tank and equipment room are about 65 feet apart and on different floors of my house. I'm using three 25 foot usb passive extension cords to connect my powerbars. It's been working perfectly for over a year.

[RobbyG]

Thats great info. So we now know that 75ft is possible. I never thought it would work that far.
Great news:)

[EdMiller]

Well since this wish list is all ready going for a moon shot, how about an automatic feeder. Nothing fancy, just one that would be suitable for flake foods.

[RobbyG]

Yeterday I got 85 Emails because a Level sensor for my sump was gently nudging back and forth between Hi and Low. What a mess, there has got to be a better method for controlling the email that is sent.

For starters each level control device should show up separately in the Ethernet section. As it is now I have to either turn OFF the audible alarm on a Level sensor or be prepared to receive email from it. For example I have a level sensor that goes off if my prefilter gets dirty, I dont need to clean it right away so I dont need an email alert, but I do need an audible alert so that when I get home I know it needs cleaning, as it is now I either suffer with the emails or I turn off the Audible alarm. I need to be able to set an Audible alarm for one sensor yet disable it from being part of the email list.

Also the repeat message limit is needed for cases were you need the email but just want to limit the amount.

[RobbyG]

I think this was mentioned before but a Delayed restart timer would be very handy on the Level Sensor program. Most people have a Level sensor that is used for shutting off the main pump if the sump level gets too low. Problem is that if the Sumps prefilter filter is blocked the water level will rise quickly once the pump stops and the pump will restart within a second or two then water level drops and it shut off again. After a few hundred of these restarts I am sure any pump will be dead, so what we need is something like a 1 minute delay before restart so that the pump does not cycle so much.

[RobbyG]

When function keys are used in timed mode, it would be nice if a countdown timer was displayed. This is not critical but would be a nice addition.

[Arforrabbit]

I would love to be able to save the graphs instead of exporting to Excel. It would be good to be able to see more than two graphs at a time.

A memory module would be very useful, I'm monitoring my pH on a 24 hour basis rather than week or month and its a complete ball ache having to remember to save it each night.

Better/quicker response from Aquatronica. I've emailed them twice with questions and they haven't bothered responding to either. To set up a complete system isn't cheap and the least they could do is support their customer base.

[RobbyG]

Aquaronica the Minimum time option would really be nice. Many people like ppht and myself have been asking for this. It is a very handy option to prevent any device (eg a Pump) from Repeated starting and stopping when a level sensor is bouncing around the set point.

[Mr31415]

I *really* *really* want the facility where in online (connected to PC) mode, the data can be captured to disk on regular intervals, and then re-opened in the same program to display fine granular data (say every 10 minutes) over many months.

[NeveSSL]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10114583#post10114583 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr31415
I *really* *really* want the facility where in online (connected to PC) mode, the data can be captured to disk on regular intervals, and then re-opened in the same program to display fine granular data (say every 10 minutes) over many months.

Me too!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8743140#post8743140 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RobbyG
Can we please finally get some kind of logging going on for the powerbars. We have been asking for this from last year. If memory space is a problem, can we at least be able to log one or two plugs! Many of us would like to know how many hours per day our chillers or heaters are running and at what time. Just a simple (Y Scale) On/Off graph would be so nice.

This is what I was thinking, too.

I'm just going to resound those that have been mentioned that I agree with to make this controller even more awesome!

I also think auto time syncing would be awesome. Even if it just fed off of a local computer instead of time servers or something, then you wouldn't have to worry about time zone selection.

Definitely having the temp visible all the time would be a plus for me, personally. Maybe this could be done with different screen sets.

I think thats about it, for now.

Any idea on when we may see an update?

Brandon

[espenlg]

I'd really like a Tunze-controller feature for the AT.. Is that something for this list?

[geevans1]

Well, this week I had a really nasty issue with the controller. We had several power outages on the same day and the controller "Blocked" all control of the power ports. This could only be fixed by physically resetting and unplugging the controller. Not a good thing when you are out of town and don't even know what the @#$ is wrong. But it got me thinking. I have everything plugged into the controller (pumps, lights, heater) It would be very nice in 6.0 if you could connect a ups monitor to the power strip so that when the power was lost, the UPS would notify the strip. The strip would then shutdown certain plugs after a period of time to reduce the drain on the ups... Its either that or I have to go back to a timer on my lights... and I really don't want to do that.

[NeveSSL]

Very good point, geevans.

That is one downside I noticed with this as compared to the AquaControllers. The ACs are powered separately from the power bars so when the power goes out they can be on a UPS.

Brandon

[RobbyG]

Geevans
Very strange that your powerbar locked up. I have had multiple glitch outages and it always came back on without a problem. I think that it may be a load issue and the unit was saving itself from burning out the PB. Maybe you should set some different restart delay times on the heavily loaded plugs. I use a powerbar saver for things like my chiller but a delay would also help.

NeveSLL
If you use 2 powerbars you can plug the first one into a UPS and load it with mission critical items. With the controller plugged into it the system will stay up as long as the UPS has power.

Other things are possible that can completely get around these issue's but they involve some Mods that may void your warranty.

[NeveSSL]

Thats a great idea, Robby. Not sure when I'll be able to afford an extra powerbar outlet, but I think it would be more feasible for me to do that than them redesign the system. :)

I have no warranty on mine, I bought it used, so feel free to share mods... lol. I'm a big DIY guy, anyway, especially in electronics. In fact, the powerbar saver (was it you that did that? I think aquariumcontrollers.com is yours, right?) is on my radar, even though I really don't have anything that pulls a lot of current yet... I just want one! lol

Now, back on track... requests for ver. 6.

Brandon

[H.a.Z]

Maybe it could be possible to add time as a variable 1 and / or 2 in the XY program.

[RobbyG]

H.a.Z not sure exactly how you need the Timed variable but you can do that in many cases by just using a bit of exotic programming.
Setting a Timer to turn something ON between the hours of T1 & T2 then using an XY program to turn it OFF if two items have reached a certain level or value.

[H.a.Z]

I see your point, so my suggestion would just make that easier.

[RobbyG]

Yes it would but I am not sure if AQT is going to see it as a high priority if you can do it another way.