For those wanting better performance out of their skimmer....

[kentrob11]

I've got some extra Ekmat material and zip ties leftover from redoing my skimmer pumps and was considering helping some people mod their's to get better performance out of them. I figured that maybe all those interested could meet at my house one evening and we'll hook everyone up at the same time. I think I have enough for about 10 pumps...Anyone interested? I'm pretty sure Lon and Ztt were....

[Reggae Fish]

I am! I went with the Euro-Reef RS-180 so it comes with a Gen-x 4100

[chadfarmer]

what would that do to a sedra 5000

[sirreal63]

If anyone is curious if this works...hell yeah!!!!

I picked up a GenX 1500 that Kent modded with a meshwheel to use as a feedpump. After tinkering with the air I was letting into the skimmer tonight this is 2 hours worth of skimmate. I am going to have to drill my cup and run a hose out to collect waste if it keeps peforming like this.

The cup since 7 tonight...yes it was clean at 7
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v362/sirreal63/125/g3mesh1.jpg


Poor shot of the skimmer showing the foam...it is milky white all the way down.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v362/sirreal63/125/g3mesh2.jpg

The Sedra 5000 is still stock and recirculating, the GenX is just being used as the feed pump with the meshwheel pulling in extra air. I was definately getting too much air wide open but restricting the air has allowed me to fine tune it. This mod works!!!

[Letmegrow]

I smell a impromptu pizza night !!!

I have 2 NW pumps I would like to mod.

What do you say Kent ?
DIY Pizza night on the Illinois side ?

Maybe the OldnMoldyGoalie66 will show up.

[kentrob11]

Chad- a guy on my thread in the DIY forum was getting close to 900LPH out of the Sedra 5000- There's pics to prove it. I can tell ya that this stuff is frikin amazing and in the missing link between low end skimmers such as ASM and Octopus and the the big dawgs.

Steve- That sounds like a plan to me. I'd have to know ahead of time how many people are bringing pumps to mod though so we can make sure I have enough material- I can get more if needed.

Sirreal- Glad to see it's working out for you! I knew that pump would come in handy at some point :-P

RF- Is that a new ER with the new pinwheel?

[Reggae Fish]

RF- Is that a new ER with the new pinwheel?

Ummmm...I don't know...All I know is it's being dropshipped from ER

[kentrob11]

To be honest, you won't gain that much if it's got the new style impeller. You should get ahold of them and find out if it has the new style impeller and/or how much air the pump is pulling.....Let me know what you find out...

[chadfarmer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8747079#post8747079 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reggae Fish
Ummmm...I don't know...All I know is it's being dropshipped from ER

you didnt get the eheim?

[kentrob11]

The SP4 (4100) is pulling about 1050LPH on those ER's so you're pretty much fine where you're at......I'm getting just under 1200 LPH on my 4100 but with a beefier venturi as well. I think you'll be fine where you're at...

[Im Lon 2]

Pizza night hmmm sounds great!! Now lets make a Date!!

Kent do you think the Mod'ed Mesh will work good on the Sedra pumps?

[JxMetal]

I'm there count me in for a NW mesh mod thingy-majigger

[kentrob11]

I ain't going on any dates with you Lon- too much hair on your face! :-P I'll bet we could get close to 1800-2000LPH out of those 2 Sedra 9000's.....

[Im Lon 2]

:lol: What do you think I'm getting now (lph)?

[pewter_jean]

I would be interested, I can't get my skimmer out of my sump, but I can get my pump out, would this work? I would deffinately be up for a pizza night. Plus I am not scared to drive on the IL side:worried:
So do you have room for one more?

[Letmegrow]

Since Kent is such a hot commodity (I heard he got a new hair modeling gig) the week between Christmas and New Years works for him the best ?

What do ya'll say ?

[Letmegrow]

900lph Me thinks Lonnie.

[JxMetal]

How bout that Wednesday before New Years? eh? eh?

[Im Lon 2]

We are having a pizza night that night as it stands right now ( do to the Poll) I don't know if a place as been said it. Any thoughts Greg,

[sirreal63]

Greg has no thoughts...people tell him what to do. Rams and nook own him. :D

I like the night if Kent is up for it.

[capncapo]

No place has been decided on yet Lonnie. That was something that we were going to put up to a vote.

Guess since Kent is willing to do this we could look for a place on the east side just to make it a bit more convenient.

Any ideas anyone?

[capncapo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8747404#post8747404 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sirreal63
Greg has no thoughts...people tell him what to do. Rams and nook own him. :D

I like the night if Kent is up for it.

You're right Jack ..... I have been assimilated!

[JxMetal]

How bout Kent's Pizza Parlor?


aka - order pizza and eat it at Kents

[sirreal63]

I think at this point it is up to what Kent and his family can tolerate and accomodate.

[Reggae Fish]

you didnt get the eheim?

None of the RS Series come with the eheims. The RC series all have footprints too large and wouldn't have room even if I ran outside of the sump. Also, I wouldn't pay $800+ for the RC-180

[kentrob11]

The Wed before New Years would be fine with me....Lon- I think that I remembered reading somewhere that the 9000s are pulling around 600LPH or so stock.


BTW- How did you know about my armpit hair modeling?

[JxMetal]

I take it the Sedra 2500 could benefit greatly from this as I've read it's a rather poor performer.

[kentrob11]

Yeah I'm sure you'd double the performance of that thing with the mod.....

[JxMetal]

I'll be there pump in hand then no doubt.

[kentrob11]

If anyone has a kilowatt meter or any other tool to measure how many watts a pump is pulling and could bring it that would be great- I'd like to see how many watts my pumps are pulling....

[beapeams]

Count me in for two Gen-X 6000 NW. I will be picking up DST's skimmer this weekend. Do you think both modded will be to much for it? Let me know where you pick up the materials for the mods and I would be willing to pick up some so that more can be modded if needed.

[TWINPEAKS]

I have a reef concepts running on a mag 18 can anything be done with it?

[Im Lon 2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8748076#post8748076 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kento
If anyone has a kilowatt meter or any other tool to measure how many watts a pump is pulling and could bring it that would be great- I'd like to see how many watts my pumps are pulling....

I have a power inverter that hooks up to the car that lets you know how much watts it pulling so you know if you can add more.

How many watts is the pump suppose to be, I think the inverter is only up to 400Watts.

I have noticed that each one of my pumps pull more than what the box states.

[zt444a]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8748076#post8748076 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kentrob11
If anyone has a kilowatt meter or any other tool to measure how many watts a pump is pulling and could bring it that would be great- I'd like to see how many watts my pumps are pulling....

I have a Fluke meter that will measure amps... I can bring it. With a little creativity we can measure draw...

[kentrob11]

Dennis- Sorry man, The mesh isn't going to help you at all with that one....

Bean- I think 2 modded 6000's is going to be to much for that skimmer. I think you'll be pretty happy with just one...

Howard/Lon....Bring em out! We'll do both and compare numbers. I think the pumps are pulling around 50 watts each (Just a guess) so the power inverter would work fine....

[beapeams]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8749664#post8749664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kentrob11

Bean- I think 2 modded 6000's is going to be to much for that skimmer. I think you'll be pretty happy with just one...


So are you saying mod one leave one stock and have both running, or mod one and have only one running.

[kentrob11]

I think you're only going to need one pump- It might seem odd but I think you be suprised at how much air you're getting into it with one pump....

[Im Lon 2]

What all will you need to make the mod? Do you have to take apart the impeller I have now to make the mod.

[zt444a]

Impeller is coming in the mail. So I will be there with my pump, the stock impeller, and we will mod one too.

[TWINPEAKS]

How hard would it be to turn the reef concepts into a recirc. skimmer?

[chadfarmer]

i can bring my water mixing pump also


gen-x 2400 needlewheel

[capncapo]

How about OceanRunner 3500s Kent? Can you do them any good?

[kentrob11]

Any pump that isn't already maximized can be done and see great gains. That includes pretty much everything out there with the exception of New ER modded pumps and Delteec/H@S pumps. The 2400 and 3500's would definately see a good amount of improvement from this....

[JxMetal]

why would you put a mesh wheel on a water mixing pump?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8753481#post8753481 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chadfarmer
i can bring my water mixing pump also


gen-x 2400 needlewheel

[sirreal63]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8753909#post8753909 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JxMetal
why would you put a mesh wheel on a water mixing pump?

To aerate the water at the same time.

[Hobbes8017]

Kent

My ASM G4X has a Sedra 9000 that needs some help. Not too many bubbles in the body of the skimmer since I have not done any mods to it. Plan on doing the Gate Valve and Recric Mods eventually.

Fade and I are going to come out with Farmer and Chelsey.

Count me as needing the product for altering my pump.

[Grace's Dad]

oops double post

[Grace's Dad]

I also have a G4X w/ the sedra 9000 that will see water one day, if there is enough count me in.

[kentrob11]

OK here's what I need you guys to do- PM me with the kind and number of pumps you are bringing so I can arrange for enough material to do this. Judging by the response I'll probably have to get more materials so maybe we could work something like a $1 a pump contribution to the "material fund" :-) You guys can just bring it with you when you come that day.

[kentrob11]

I forgot- Please put the kind of pump and number in the title....

[kentrob11]

Dennis- It could be done but I'd have to look at it to figure out how. Could you post a good sized pic of your skimmer from the internet?

[Im Lon 2]

Done!!

[kentrob11]

Dennis- I was just thinking....You could make the Mag 18 into a meshwheel pump and get rid of the venturi riser on your skimmer...would kick butt.....

[kentrob11]

Hey Capo- Check this out......

"Kent, are you talking about the ocean runner 2700s? I modded a 3700 last night out of curiosity and I was getting 45-50 scfh out of it on my 15-150 meter....."


That's about 1500LPH and it was still quiet so it looks like your in for a treat :-) It will depend on application and your venturi type but they'll still kick butt none the less....

[kentrob11]

Meshwheel Stool juice pic for your viewing pleasure...

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/kentrob11/IMG_4622.jpg

[Im Lon 2]

Nice where do you have the water line on the skimmer looks like it is 1 - 1 1/2" below the neck.. Mine wouldn't even skim that low.

[kentrob11]

Yeah that's about where it's at. It boils over if I put it any higher than that .....

[Im Lon 2]

Thats cool!!

Think you can make a longer neck for my ASM?

[kentrob11]

It would take me more time than I have to do that :-P

[JxMetal]

what times this thing wednesday. i'll need directions.

[zt444a]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8793248#post8793248 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JxMetal
what times this thing wednesday. i'll need directions.

Me too please...

:)

[hagfish]

For those who can't make it to this in person (me), is this mod something an average joe could do? Could you post the details of the mod? I've never heard of it before.

[JxMetal]

getting the material is the hard part. the mesh comes in like $50 sheets I think

[Reeferhead]

This is an ingeniously simple mod. I don't think I can make it next Wednesday but I will definently be mesh wheel'n my Sedra 5000

[bigmayreefer]

Will this mod work on a GenX 1000 pump on an ASM BabyG?

[DrBDC]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8792596#post8792596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Im Lon 2
Thats cool!!

Think you can make a longer neck for my ASM?



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Bomber-beer.jpg/180px-Bomber-beer.jpg
http://www.reefgeek.com/images/promo/asm_g-series_skimmer.jpg

[akrimmel]

will this do anything to the pumps that come with the coralife skimmers?

[frenchie]

is there any mods for prizm pro skimmer or remora pro, i got prizm fine tuned to where it finally is producing big time, I know surprising since it is a prizm skimmer but my remora has been lacking big time even after cleaning it

[kentrob11]

AKrimmel- I haven't tried one on a CSS but I'm sure it could be done. Bring the pump and we'll see. I haven't seen the inside of the pumps on the remora or prism but if you want to bring one along we'll see what we can do...

[akrimmel]

when is this gathering of the the saltwater studs?

[Im Lon 2]

WED 12-27 (have not heard the time yet)

[akrimmel]

so does anyone have any frags that they will be bringing to this?

[Nanook]

I will go Wednesday if there is pizza and beer involved:D

[JxMetal]

I guess we could accomodate dave

[akrimmel]

what's the in and outs to this mod?

[chadfarmer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8799220#post8799220 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by d.french
is there any mods for prizm pro skimmer or remora pro, I got prizm fine tuned to where it finally is producing big time, I know surprising since it is a prizm skimmer but my remora has been lacking big time even after cleaning it

prism no
remora is air injected (no also)


what about turbulence in the body of the skimmer after the mod --kent

[frenchie]

thanks ,figured but had to ask, i found that bigger pump makes better production but have to find way to stop micro bubbles on my remora pro.

[Grace's Dad]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8800763#post8800763 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nanook
I will go Wednesday if there is pizza and beer involved:D

I plan on picking up a case of non-Anheuser-Busch product at Sam's before hand.

Still need directions though.

[kentrob11]

Alright folks- We're trying to figure out whether to go to Margaritas (Mexican restaurant) for dinner/drinks first and then my place or vise versa. We'll figure it out and post the difinitives but until then, my address is:

3201 Seven Pines Rd
Belleville, IL
62222

and the address for Margaritas is:

108 East A. Street
Belleville, IL
62222

[JxMetal]

I probably won't have time for both, so depending on the order of things I may/may not be there.

[kentrob11]

OK it looks like we're going to meet at my house at 6pm to do the mods first and head to dinner afterwards...Sound like a plan?

I wanted to run a couple of things by you guys first. For those that are bringing Sedras, you'll need to bring pairs of snips to cut the needles off your impeller assemblies- I only have one pair and they suck! With everyone coming, we'll more than likely need multiple pairs. That goes for regular scissors we well. The mesh material came in yesterday so I've got that and the zip ties covered. Any other questions, comments etc just post em here...

[JxMetal]

How much cash would you like?

I'll be at your place, just can't do this afterhours festivities.

What kind of snips? Tin snips? wire cutters?

[capncapo]

I think Kent was trying to say 6:00PM.:D

[kentrob11]

isn't that what I said? :-P

By snips I mean the little things that look like pliers but have sharp edges instead :-) "Xacto" knives should work as well....

[JxMetal]

haha wire cutters i call em

[Im Lon 2]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8806181#post8806181 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JxMetal
I'll be at your place, just can't do this afterhours festivities.


Come on!! You always say you want Wednesdays!!! So now you have to make time!!! :D

[JxMetal]

i'll think about it. I work 9 hours the next day and then have to drive to chitown

[Letmegrow]

I am setting up a "White Elephant" trade for this event.
We each draw out ananomously a gift out of a box that we each donated.

Anyone who wants to join in PM me.

Reef related items only.
- Frags / inverts
- Dry goods equaling less than $20

Or if we can do a secret Santa if we can get enough names fast enough.

[stlouisguy]

I guess I dont understand the project. Would it imporve my duel becket? Pump is an iwaki

[Letmegrow]

You need a needle wheel impellar for it to work.

[Nanook]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8810773#post8810773 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stlouisguy
I guess I dont understand the project. Would it imporve my duel becket? Pump is an iwaki

Clark, I saw that skimmer in action at John's house...it seemed sporadic in it's foam head at times. I have a suggestion that might really improve it's performance for you and it won't cost too much:

I think there is a lot of turbulence for some reason on that skimmer that creates inconsistency. I think the easy solution to try would be to put a 1/4" acrylic plate with a bunch of holes drilled in it to put at the base of the skimmer. This would act as a diffuster plate and would stabilize the foam head, I think.

[stlouisguy]

Dave, do you mean right over the inlet tubes or higher up in the skimmer itself. It skims very very well but its a ***** to keep adjusted.

Would I just get a piece of acrylic drill it full of holes and seal it along the edges?

Thanks

[Nanook]

I think the lower the plate can go in the skimmer, the better it will perform. You could email or PM Geo and tell him what is going on and he might be able to advise you better since he built it...I imagine he could to the plate for you as well.

[stlouisguy]

Ill do that thanks!

[Letmegrow]

So far it is just Howard and I in for the "White Elephant" for this pizza night.