View Full Version : Which camera, D80 or xTi?
FateX8
12/17/2006, 10:37 AM
So here's the dilemma. I just graduated and my mom said she will get me any camera I want. The question is which is better, D80 or Rebel xTi? I don't want anything too expensive so these are what I'm limited to. I figured either is ok but I would like opinions to make my final choice. PLEASE NO BASHING ANYONES OPINIONS. ONLY ONE OPINION FROM EACH PERSON PLEASE. I know the xTi has been out for a year and the D80 has just come out so probably not as many opinions on that. I would like to take fast frame photos if possible with these. I am an amateur at best but willing to learn. It's just that it's hard to learn if all you have is the internet because they use all these mumbo jumbo terms. So which is better and why...not because one is a Nikon or one is a Canon. Also this camera will mainly be used for taking pics of fish and corals in tanks.
TIA
Mike
BlueCorn
12/17/2006, 10:49 AM
There is no "better." Both are good enough cameras that you, the photographer, will end up being the weak link. Go to the store, hold both in your hand and take a few pictures. Buy the one that you're more comfortable with. You're the only one who can make that call.
It really does just come down to Nikon vs. Canon and folks who've invested in one or the other will vote their brand. That being said buy a Canon. :D
Blue Deuce
12/17/2006, 11:01 AM
You are not so much buying a individual camera but a companies system and you cant go wrong with either one. Compare prices on the lenses you might wish to use from both companies. Traditionally wedding photogs have chosen Nikon ; sports (look at any sideline) and wildlife guys go with Canon.
I think you will find the Canons sensor will produce less noise at higher ISO settings then the Nikon but I am a Canon guy with many thousands invested in their equipment so I am not entirely impartial.
FateX8
12/17/2006, 11:28 AM
Yeah that's what i thought it would come down to but I was hoping that someone that didn't like either would chime in and tell me the bads about each. I know they're both cameras and right now I AM leaning towards Canon because of their fast frame capabilities but I've heard great things about Nikon.
jwedehase
12/17/2006, 11:52 AM
This question is asked time and time again, with the same results. Here's the short answer:
They're both equal cameras. You have to go with the one that feels the best in your hands.
A close friend is in law enforcement. When he went to purchase his pistol, he went to a firing range, and held pistol after pistol in his hands, deciding which one felt right to HIS HANDS. After all, his very life may someday depend on it. He ended up buying a Glock. I found I preferred a Ruger, but I have different hands with different proportions.
So... go to a camera shop, and hold both cameras. Close your eyes and make sure the button locations are where you feel they should be. When I was shopping, I was only looking at Canon because I already had Canon lenses. Had I no lenses, I also would have given Nikon a serious look. THEY ARE EQUAL WORLD CLASS COMPETITORS. My decision was between the Original Digital Rebel, Rebel XT, or 20D. For me, the first one ruled out was the XT, because it was small. I had already gotten used to the size of the 35mm film Canons, and the XT didn't feel right. I would have chosen the inferior original Rebel over the XT for this reason alone. In the end, I went with a 20D, because it felt more like what I was already used to, and the buttons were in the same place. When I go to shoot, I don't ever need to look at the camera, because I already know where all the buttons are, and how to get to any function without looking. That's the important part.
Put them in your hands. Carry them around. Work your fingers around the bodies and judge which feels better. Only you can decide which of these two equal cameras you like better.
PL-Reef
12/17/2006, 04:39 PM
I am personally a Canon person, my major deciding factor was the lower noise at high ISO (faster photos and low light situations will be when you need higher ISO btw) I'm happy with the XT, mainly bought for price, but I knew it would be smaller, which is fine with me because I have small hands.
Your most important factor in the system is going to be your lenses, the lense it comes with will be fine for starting off, I still have mine, but don't really use it. It all depends on what you want to shoot, for faster shots (and if you really enjoy photography) you're going to want a pretty expensive lens, for instance I just purchessed my first L lense a 24-70 but it cost me a pretty penny (1k+) but I love it and use it the most. For my tank I mainly use my Canon 100mm macro (400ish) but there are many other brands of lenses out there that are more affordable, you just have to research them first and see if they have good reviews, remember in most cases you get what you pay for.
I completly agree with everyone else, go to a store and FEEL what you like, I have nothing against Nikon, I just happened to buy Canon, and it's the person that makes the photo, not the camera, trust me I know as I am still getting some pretty aweful shots. ;)
ssbreef
12/17/2006, 07:39 PM
If I had to choose between the D80 and the Xti I would choose the D80 and I'm a Caonon guy myself.
jwedehase
12/17/2006, 09:24 PM
ssbreef, that's great and anecdotal. Do you have any reason for this preference?
VoidRaven
12/18/2006, 08:16 AM
Ok, *someone* has to represent Nikon so I guess it's me :D
*I* love my Nikon gear. But that's me and that's where the representing ends.
I am a FIRM believer in going with what feels good in your hands. Take a look at several different cameras. Feel how they are built, how they fit in your hands, how they are balanced with a sizable lens on the end, etc....you need to take all these things into consideration.
Also, don't rule out the Sony Alpha just yet...and also take a look at the Olympus E-volt cameras...just to hedge your bets and make sure you have checked into everything in the field. I'm sure it will come down to N v. C in the end but do shop around at least a little.
Also remember....body is good but glass is better. I've spoken with many photogs who would trade the D80 for the D70s and spend the extra money on a nice lens or two.
Nuuze
12/18/2006, 01:46 PM
I bought both last week from because I couldn't decide! I ended up keeping the D80 and returning the Xti. The Nikon just felt better in my hands than the Canon did. The Canon was a bit small for my hands. I bought both with 100mm/105mm macro/micro lenses and they both shot very well tank shots and scenery. Then Canon clicking mechanism was a bit louder than the Nikon if quiet shots are required. I got the Nikon at Ritz for $1199 with 18-135mm lens.
ssbreef
12/19/2006, 12:02 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8773814#post8773814 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jwedehase
ssbreef, that's great and anecdotal. Do you have any reason for this preference?
Notice the part with the "I"......
FateX8
12/19/2006, 02:02 PM
Ok, I went to Best Buy just to pick them up and see how they feel. I picked up the D80, XTi, 30D and the A100. A100 is deffinately out. The 30D didn't feel that great. I like the feeling of both cameras. The buttons both seem to be in decent places. Both wheels turn smoothly, unlike the 30D. So I guess the choice is between the XTi and the D80? Back to wear I started. I also wanted to handle the D200 but they didn't have it there. I guess my next stop will be to Ritz Cameras to ask someone their opinion. I just hope they'll be honest and not a salesman.
BlueCorn
12/19/2006, 02:09 PM
What you just experienced is why you need to stop asking other people's opinions and go with what feels right to you. All of the cameras that you mention will produce excellent images when used properly.
I can't stand the controls on the XTi which is one reason why I own a 30D. In your hand, the XTi feels better. No one can help with that decision.
(The average person behind the counter at Ritz is a minimum wage retail person; not a camera expert.)
jwedehase
12/19/2006, 03:47 PM
(The average person behind the counter at Ritz is a minimum wage retail person; not a camera expert.) [/B]
And a salesman. :)
Nuuze
12/19/2006, 05:11 PM
Here are some newbie shots with the D80 and 105mm lens...
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0235.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0233.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0232.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0230.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0228.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0225.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0224.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0221.jpg
Nuuze
12/19/2006, 05:26 PM
Few more :)
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0113.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0112.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0105.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Nuuze/DSC_0087.jpg
FateX8
12/19/2006, 07:36 PM
nice shots
thanks for the pics
does anyone with an xti have any example shots?
BlueCorn
12/19/2006, 07:57 PM
FateX8 - at the resolution that you can post on a website there is no way you can tell the difference between the cameras. Even at full resolution it's unlikely that you'd be able to see any real difference. At this level of photography, the quality of the lens and the skill of the photographer are what make the picture. The camera is just a tool. Pick the one that feels good.
You've been asking for advice but you don't see to want to listen to it. ;)
Nuuze
12/19/2006, 09:07 PM
Beerguy is right, I had both camera's and both are great shooting pics. You have to see which one "feels" better to your hands and the ease of use of the controls and buttons to you. Most of the sales people I have talked to won't bash any of the two companies.
Alphabet
12/19/2006, 11:06 PM
Just purchased the XTi should have it in a week. From my use the XTi is just a little smaller than I would like but I ordered the battery grip which seems to help.
I bought the XTi because I had used the older XT for a short time and enjoyed it, plus it was in my price range. As an added bonus I have a friend in the photography business who is willing to share lenses and experience with me.
Good luck on your purchase.
ssbreef
12/19/2006, 11:33 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8788300#post8788300 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FateX8
nice shots
thanks for the pics
does anyone with an xti have any example shots?
Looks like you really like that Xti. Just buy it already! It's a great camera! asking for example shots of the Xti wont mean anything, like beerguy said.
"at the resolution that you can post on a website there is no way you can tell the difference between the cameras. Even at full resolution it's unlikely that you'd be able to see any real difference. At this level of photography, the quality of the lens and the skill of the photographer are what make the picture. The camera is just a tool."
GSMguy
12/20/2006, 09:16 AM
i have the XTI it is awsome i only have the base lens that it came with new big screen on the back is nice i say go for it and put the money you save on the camera into the best lens you can get
this is me
12/20/2006, 07:06 PM
Like everyone said, a camera is only a fraction of the whole system and probably the least important component.
I'm a Nikon guy and have shot thousands of reef shots both for myself and my local reef club. You can click on my website and view them. All of the macros are done with the 105mm and I recently upgraded to the 105mm VR.
Alphabet
12/20/2006, 09:32 PM
Here is something I did not know I am sure others do, Canon has an awesome array of lenses vs. Nikon that was also a deciding factor for me. Somebody posted dpreview dot com which has some good reviews and info on many cameras.
flameangel88
12/21/2006, 11:07 AM
I wish I learned from others here when I started in this hobby. First I got the Nikon D50 kit w/ 18-55 lens, Sigma 105 macro and the 18-200 vr but wasn't satified with the macro shots and got the D200. I've to say the macro pictures came out better with the D50 'in macro mode' then on the D200 'auto mode'. The high-end cameras are not going to help us beginners untill we learned how to use all the varies features on the camera. I'd the opportunity to play with the Canon 5d with the Canon 100 macro lens and I just can't get those great looking pictures like I see online and this is certainly not the fault of the camera but mine. The point is pick the one you are most comfortable with and stick with it and try different features, such as AP, SP, ISO, WB etc. If you read all the forum reviews and user reviews in dpreview, fredmiranda and others they all have different opinions and you still can be debating in the years to come. Manufactures will always be coming out with new cameras and you can be buying a new one just about every quarter. Important thing I learned so far is to get the best lenses you can afford because those will last a long time. Just look at the Canon 5D and people are using their old lenses. Just my 2 cents.
Good luck with your choice.
TheVillageIdiot
12/21/2006, 02:25 PM
The XTi?
I think you'll miss spot metering eventually, but it's a nice camera, esp. at $700.00... if you can afford something in the D80 price range, you may be able to get the 30D, which is a very nice canon camera...
Personally, i'd go w/ the camera that feels better in your hands, but that aside, the XTi is the cheapest meaning more money for glass... :-)
VoidRaven
12/21/2006, 05:40 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8796991#post8796991 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Alphabet
Here is something I did not know I am sure others do, Canon has an awesome array of lenses vs. Nikon that was also a deciding factor for me. Somebody posted dpreview dot com which has some good reviews and info on many cameras.
Nikon's array of lenses are just as good as Canon....I hope you're not insinuating that Nikon doesn't have good glass. Also, other companies such as Tokina and Sigma are starting to come out with a few good pieces of glass as well...slowly but surely.
Again, it all comes down to feel and the other GREAT point that someone else made: no matter how "good" your camera is, if the photog doesn't know/understand what they are doing they're not going to get the results they want until they understand all the features of the camera and basics of photography.
Alphabet
12/21/2006, 10:43 PM
VoidRaven,
I am not insinuating one is better than the other. This is just a deciding factor for my own personal use. I also have had the pleasure of getting some valuable knowledge from a couple local professional photographers. Both pros have both cameras among others. I went based on the information from these gentlemen letting me know there were MORE avaiable lenses for the canon. I do not bash, I only offered my opionion based on what I have learned.
VoidRaven
12/22/2006, 10:48 AM
Ah, see....I haven't had the pleasure of relying on professional photogs for my initial foray into photography.....but what I *have* learned is that massive wide selections do not necessarily mean better selections....just more duplication in the camera bag :D Which isn't necessaraily a bad thing until you start losing track of lenses because you have too many. Or you start wasting money on duplicate lenses.
Kind of like reef-keeping.....too many options......and all cost $$$$$
BlueCorn
12/22/2006, 10:51 AM
No kidding. It should be illegal to have photography and reef keeping as hobbies at the same time. My standard camera bag that I travel with is easily 30 lbs. It just barely fits in the overhead compartment on airplanes.
Oh yeah and Nikon stinks, buy Canon!
VoidRaven
12/22/2006, 10:57 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8808148#post8808148 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
Oh yeah and Nikon stinks, buy Canon!
HEY HEY HEY!!! Now now, no need for that! You don't see *me* taking those low jabs at you evil Canon users do you? Besides, if it wasn't for competition all your stuff would cost 4 times as much....that's why Canon sucks you in with all that gear selection, they're money hungry!
Nikon rules! Who would want one of those ugly grey Canon lenses anyway?
BlueCorn
12/22/2006, 11:01 AM
"L" glass makes the world go `round; baby!
:lol:
ssbreef
12/22/2006, 07:35 PM
LLLLLLLLL Gllllllllasssssss...................
Navyblue
12/23/2006, 11:30 AM
First I proudly declare that I am another Canon guy. :D
IMO there are a few aspects to it. Try the camera in your hand and feel them, however, if you prefer one over the other it is not quite the end of the story. :p
It's actually more that D80 vs XTi. When you are buying an SLR system you don't just stop buying at kit lens. It's just like it's rare for people here to buy a 20G, a pair of clownfish, some dead corals, fluorescent light and an airstone skimmer and stop there. :D You should consider the system as a whole, each has its own strength and specialty. For example:
- Nikon flash system is generally considered more consistent
- Canon is generally considered to have better high ISO performance
- Canon has more USM lenses than Nikon has their AF-S lenses, especially prime lenses
- Canon has more lenses in white, if that matters to you :D
- Nikon body especially at entry level tend to have better build than Canon
- Nikon macro lenses options are generally considered superior, you have 105 mm macro with VR, Canon's 100 mm macro doesn't comes with IS, Nikon 60 mm does 1:1 and Canon's 50 mm does only to 1:2, Canon has a new EF-S 60 mm that does 1:1 but it only work with 1.6x crop camera
- Nikon wider lenses seems to be stronger than Canon's
- Canon has more long lenses
- Canon has full frame bodies, Nikon takes forever to launch them.
- Canon tend to update their model faster than Nikon
- Nikon kit lenses are generally considered better than Canon's
When I say one is better than the other in any of the aspect, I don't mean that that other brand's aspect is bad. Both are reputable systems that has survived decades of competition. By identifying what will you be using the camera for is a good first step. :)
flameangel88
12/23/2006, 12:02 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8785868#post8785868 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FateX8
Ok, I went to Best Buy just to pick them up and see how they feel. I picked up the D80, XTi, 30D and the A100. A100 is deffinately out. The 30D didn't feel that great. I like the feeling of both cameras. The buttons both seem to be in decent places. Both wheels turn smoothly, unlike the 30D. So I guess the choice is between the XTi and the D80? Back to wear I started. I also wanted to handle the D200 but they didn't have it there. I guess my next stop will be to Ritz Cameras to ask someone their opinion. I just hope they'll be honest and not a salesman.
If you are still interested at the D200 and this is the lowest price I've seen on this camera other then from bwayphoto.
The lowest price I've seen on the xti is about $600 within the past month at dell (with various dell discounts and coupons) but the price on the D80 been around $900 which is very difficult to compare the 2 with this huge price gap.
The review on the Nikon D40 is pretty good at dpreview and at a very attractive price may be an option and the price difference you can go out get a extra lens or two.
Nuuze
12/23/2006, 01:36 PM
A sales lady also gave me some of them scenario's too...
She said something like, a Canon person would be one that likes to upgrade a lot to new stuff while a Nikon person would be more on the conservative side. Canon tends to push new technology and features out as fast as possible while Nikon likes to be on the fence until proven or bugs worked out. Canon geared towards more sports while Nikon geared more towards journalism. For instance; a big white lens at a football game, but would you be using that big white lens on the front lines of Iraq?
One thing I noticed was Canon had a big range of lenses that got me pretty confused being new to photography while Nikon's lenses were not as redundant.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8814731#post8814731 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Navyblue
First I proudly declare that I am another Canon guy. :D
IMO there are a few aspects to it. Try the camera in your hand and feel them, however, if you prefer one over the other it is not quite the end of the story. :p
It's actually more that D80 vs XTi. When you are buying an SLR system you don't just stop buying at kit lens. It's just like it's rare for people here to buy a 20G, a pair of clownfish, some dead corals, fluorescent light and an airstone skimmer and stop there. :D You should consider the system as a whole, each has its own strength and specialty. For example:
- Nikon flash system is generally considered more consistent
- Canon is generally considered to have better high ISO performance
- Canon has more USM lenses than Nikon has their AF-S lenses, especially prime lenses
- Canon has more lenses in white, if that matters to you :D
- Nikon body especially at entry level tend to have better build than Canon
- Nikon macro lenses options are generally considered superior, you have 105 mm macro with VR, Canon's 100 mm macro doesn't comes with IS, Nikon 60 mm does 1:1 and Canon's 50 mm does only to 1:2, Canon has a new EF-S 60 mm that does 1:1 but it only work with 1.6x crop camera
- Nikon wider lenses seems to be stronger than Canon's
- Canon has more long lenses
- Canon has full frame bodies, Nikon takes forever to launch them.
- Canon tend to update their model faster than Nikon
- Nikon kit lenses are generally considered better than Canon's
When I say one is better than the other in any of the aspect, I don't mean that that other brand's aspect is bad. Both are reputable systems that has survived decades of competition. By identifying what will you be using the camera for is a good first step. :)
FateX8
12/24/2006, 11:51 AM
I just realized what my real question was on these cameras. Feeling the camera s great and all but I'm willing to give up a little comfort for quality. If you have a dSLR and a PnS camera and shoot both one is deffinately going to be better then the other. I'm talking about cameras not the photographer. Of course that would make a difference, BUT the photographer is going to be the same person and the camera is the only thing that will be different. Get what I'm saying now. It really doesn't matter how skilled I am with a camera, because if I shoot two cameras with starting kits one will be better then the other. And for costs, doesn't matter, I want the better between the D80, XTi and the 30D. So the question again is which is better? If I were a professional then sure they'd all be ok but since I'm not which is better?
BlueCorn
12/24/2006, 11:55 AM
FateX8 - What everyone has been saying is that there isn't any way to decide which one is "better." The "kit" lens that Nikon include might give it a slight edge but I don't recommend buying a camera with the kit lens in general.
If you were a professional, you wouldn't be looking at those cameras in all likelihood.
It really doesn't matter how skilled I am with a camera, because if I shoot two cameras with starting kits one will be better then the other.
Nope. I'd be willing to bet that you couldn't tell the difference; seriously. ;)
Cheers
joefish
12/24/2006, 01:40 PM
Does any one know if the XTI improved it's metering or focus speed from the XT?
If they didn't spend the extra money on the 30D , For me it was well worth it . My sports and wild life keepers shot up quit a bit since the change .
The whole Nikon VS canon thing craks me up . Beerguy pretty much nailed it on the head though .
Canon has better speed (Frames per sec. and focus )But nikon gets a slightly crisper shot ( color and detail).
With that being said , as you learn to use either camera you will be able to hide its so called weaknes.
Good Luck and happy Holidays !!!!
jlfnjlf
12/24/2006, 05:52 PM
With these two cameras just flip a coin then.
Both are great entry level bodies with so-so lenses. I shoot a canon 20D, but I have been shooting Canon for 20+ years.
ssbreef
12/25/2006, 12:34 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8820335#post8820335 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FateX8
I want the better between the D80, XTi and the 30D. So the question again is which is better?
I would go with, and did go with the 30d.
flameangel88
12/25/2006, 05:47 PM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8820335#post8820335 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FateX8
And for costs, doesn't matter, I want the better between the D80, XTi and the 30D. So the question again is which is better? If I were a professional then sure they'd all be ok but since I'm not which is better?
If cost is not an issue then I would also look at Nikon D200 given recent deep discount ($1,277 at Amazon as posted earlier) and it's almost in the price range of the Nikon D80 and Canon 30D. See the dpreview of the 30D & D200:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/page23.asp
If it was me doing this all over again--I would go with Nikon D50 (was around $405 at Staples) and use the savings to stock up on prime lens. Great camera in auto-mode and very easy to use pictures come out better in (macro) auto then compare to D200 & 5D in auto. I'm sure the latter two are much more capable cameras but for a beginner like me the more basic the better. Just my 2 cents.
ssbreef
12/25/2006, 11:36 PM
From what I see on Dpreview the only real advantage in the D200 is the 2mgp. I find the better sensor in the 30d to be much more significant than a Nicer menu system user interface and such. And if money is really no problem than just go with the 5d.
If that's the only difference that you see, then you're really not seeing the entire picture. Comparing the 30D to the D200 isn't really a comparison, IME.
I shoot with both Nikon and Canon and the AF system between the two is considerable.
Animation
01/05/2007, 01:54 AM
You can view the price on this link
Canon
http://www.royalcamera.com/digital-cameras-canon-canon-eos-digital-rebel-xti.html
Nikon
http://www.royalcamera.com/digital-cameras-nikon-nikon-d80.html
Nuuze
01/05/2007, 02:15 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8901663#post8901663 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Animation
You can view the price on this link
Canon
http://www.royalcamera.com/digital-cameras-canon-canon-eos-digital-rebel-xti.html
Nikon
http://www.royalcamera.com/digital-cameras-nikon-nikon-d80.html
I don't know if I would buy from that place though... ResellerratingsDOTcom rates them a 1.39 out of 10.
karm40
01/05/2007, 02:54 AM
Listen to Beerguy, his first suggestion is the best, go hold the cameras in your hand and shoot some pics. See which one you like. You can also take a look at dpreview.com for some more info. But, the ultimate choice is yours, there is no "right" decision.
ssbreef
01/05/2007, 10:16 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8894780#post8894780 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ebn
Comparing the 30D to the D200 isn't really a comparison, IME.
[/B]
Are you for real??
These are the only big differences between the two. All others are Insignificant.
Canon EOS 30D
Better image parameter control
Rear dial is easier to use in the field than a multi-selector
Canon CMOS sensor delivers better high ISO performance
In favor of the Nikon D200
2 megapixel advantage (368 horiz., 256 vert. pixels more)
Built-in AF assist lamp
BlueCorn
01/05/2007, 10:57 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8901663#post8901663 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Animation
You can view the price on this link
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Yes. You just can't buy a working camera, with a battery and all of it's accessories with a warranty for that price.
There are a lot of REALLY shady online resellers in this genre. Make sure that you thoroughly research any vendor. I use B&H Photo Video for almost all of my gear. Their prices aren't rock bottom but they're close to it. The also have an actual retail store. Most of the cut rate photog shops are run out of a storage shed somewhere.
BlueCorn
01/05/2007, 11:03 AM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,107855-page,1/article.html
BlueCorn
01/05/2007, 11:09 AM
http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/
http://donwiss.com/pictures/ManhattanStores/
FateX8
01/11/2007, 08:12 PM
well i decided after soo much research to get the d80 body only and the 18-200 vr lens only to find out that the vr lens is in high demand
SO for the time being i am going to get the d200 with 18-70 lens and possibly the nikkor 24-120 vr lens for wallkaround use, and the nikkor 105 vr later
i found out that circuit city has the d200 kit for only 1600
so right now thats my stance
ill probably get the 105 first and then the 18-200 when its more readily available
thanks everyone for your help
Nuuze
01/11/2007, 09:18 PM
I don't know how true, but I heard the D200 is a completely manual camera with no auto or programmed modes. So you may want to verify it before buying if you are new into camera's like me.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8903200#post8903200 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ssbreef
Are you for real??
These are the only big differences between the two. All others are Insignificant.
Canon EOS 30D
Better image parameter control
Rear dial is easier to use in the field than a multi-selector
Canon CMOS sensor delivers better high ISO performance
In favor of the Nikon D200
2 megapixel advantage (368 horiz., 256 vert. pixels more)
Built-in AF assist lamp
Totally going OT from the OP, so excuse me for this digression. Those are just differences that you see on paper. Have you use either of those in the field? I'm talking about real world differences vs. what's on paper.
For instance, take a look through the VF on both of those cameras for one. Then take note of how the buttons are laid out on both cameras (Nikon embeds very few key options in their menus, Canon does; unless you're looking at the 1D series, which requries multiple buttons, but it works once you get used to it). Other differences: weathersealing vs. none, intervalometer vs. none, autofocus modes and acquisition speed, programmable commander mode vs. none.
If those aren't key enough, then I don't know what is.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8958883#post8958883 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nuuze
I don't know how true, but I heard the D200 is a completely manual camera with no auto or programmed modes. So you may want to verify it before buying if you are new into camera's like me.
The D200 comes with four different shooting modes: programmable, shutter priority, aperture priority, and manual.
sharrison1
01/12/2007, 09:32 PM
Get the Nikon. They make the best lenses and those are what make the picture either good or bad. After you get the Nikon D80 look at thier desent Nikkor lenses or if you want top quality look at there better VR lenses.
BlueCorn
01/13/2007, 11:22 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8967662#post8967662 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sharrison1
Get the Nikon. They make the best lenses.
Not if you ask a Canon user. :lol:
Hi. I'm a new owner of the D-80, but Im not qualified to tell you how great it is because, like you, I'm a novice in the photography hobby. Also, like you, I wanted to change that. If you're like me, many of the posts won't be very helpful. I don't know enough to debate the ISO noise reduction issues. I haven't handled enough cameras to know which camera feels right. My guess is the first camera I handle significantly will become one that will "train" my hands to work with it.
I believe, like many have said, you can't go wrong with either camera as a novice. If we apply ourselves we will become better photographers as our skills develop - but our path to understanding our camera's, their settings and how to optimize what they offer is long, and will take time to travel.
I'd say make your choice (I'm sure you already have). Develop your skills, practice with your new camera and be patient - there's so much to learn! Together, in 3 or 5 years the DSLR world will be completely different and, if we are diligent in our studies and practice, we'll be much, much better able to make a decision on our future DSLR purchases.
Good luck!
VoidRaven
01/16/2007, 08:02 AM
Well Fate, instead of continuing the great debate that will forever rage on in the photography world please allow me to offer my congrats on finally settling on a system and making the purchase. Now get out there, get shooting, and bring us baack some pics! We're eager to see what you can do!
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