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Reeflow 05/09/2012 12:36 PM

SPS losing color
 
Hi,

My SPS reef has been going great until a couple of months ago. I noticed that some of my corals were slowly losing their color and growth rate. I have noticed some nuisance algae growth around the tank lately. I am not sure what is going on and I need some help from the pros!

I have a 29g tank that has almost been running for a year. I am currently using a DIY led light fixture with 25 CREE leds. I am running a skimmer, mp10, GFO, and carbon. I do weekly 3-5g water changes with RSCP salt.

Current tank Parameters:

Alk 8 (redsea)
Calcium 510 (redsea)
Mag 1440 (redsea)
Nitrate 0 (salifert)
Phosphates 0 (salifert)
PH 8.0 (salifert)
Salinity 1.026

Any advice would be great! Thanks!

SPotter 05/09/2012 12:41 PM

what's the color combination of the leds. I did a diy a while ago and my spectrum had too much blue in it. corals looked horrible and the ha was growing faster than the coral.

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Reeflow 05/09/2012 01:20 PM

My current setup is 13 royal blue xt-e leds and 12 cool white xp-g leds. I have had this light setup since day one.

Monkeyfish 05/09/2012 03:21 PM

If you have algae, there must be phosphates/nitrates coming from somewhere. Do you use GFO and if so have you changed it recently?

sponger0 05/09/2012 03:25 PM

If you have nuisance algae, you have phosphates.

Also how high above the tank are your LEDs??

Reeflow 05/09/2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyfish (Post 20234393)
If you have algae, there must be phosphates/nitrates coming from somewhere. Do you use GFO and if so have you changed it recently?

I tested for both nitrates and phosphates today. Maybe I will try and test again. I changed the GFO out a week from yesterday.

Reeflow 05/09/2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sponger0 (Post 20234404)
If you have nuisance algae, you have phosphates.

Also how high above the tank are your LEDs??

My leds are in the hood of a biocube. I would guess a few inches from the water.

sponger0 05/09/2012 04:06 PM

I am assuming you just put the LEDs in???

Reeflow 05/09/2012 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sponger0 (Post 20234533)
I am assuming you just put the LEDs in???

No, they have been in since the start of the tank.

Reeflow 05/09/2012 08:03 PM

I just tested PO4 again and is still at 0ppm

ChrisKirkland 05/09/2012 08:13 PM

The only way to truly test your PO4 is to use a hanna meter as they are the most precise. Are you using RO/DI water? Whats your TDS?

562R33f3r 05/09/2012 08:19 PM

Have the LFS check your water for po4. Do you have fish? How often do you feed them?


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sponger0 05/10/2012 06:07 AM

I would suspect high nutrients. That would cause brown out.

Usually when SPS bleach its due to too much light. A friend of mine, as soon as he built his new tank with LEDs, all his SPS bleached within the first month.

And yes, for an accurate PO4 reading, I would recommend a hanna checker. Do you have an nuisance algae? If you do, the algae is making PO4 unreadable.

Reeflow 05/10/2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisKirkland (Post 20235457)
The only way to truly test your PO4 is to use a hanna meter as they are the most precise. Are you using RO/DI water? Whats your TDS?

I am using RO/DI from a LFS so I am not sure.

Reeflow 05/10/2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 562R33f3r (Post 20235482)
Have the LFS check your water for po4. Do you have fish? How often do you feed them?


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Ill stop by today and see if they can test. I usually feed every other day.

Reeflow 05/10/2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sponger0 (Post 20236416)
I would suspect high nutrients. That would cause brown out.

Usually when SPS bleach its due to too much light. A friend of mine, as soon as he built his new tank with LEDs, all his SPS bleached within the first month.

And yes, for an accurate PO4 reading, I would recommend a hanna checker. Do you have an nuisance algae? If you do, the algae is making PO4 unreadable.

The leds have been on the tank for almost 10 months and I have never experienced bleaching. I will try and get some before and after pics up. As far as the algae I have it on the sand and some of the rocks. I try to take out as much as I can with water changes.

yh1185 05/10/2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Reeflow (Post 20235407)
I just tested PO4 again and is still at 0ppm

From my understanding the algae use up some of the phosphates and nitrates, so readings of 0 for those two are probably due to the algae.

Reeflow 05/10/2012 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yh1185 (Post 20237510)
From my understanding the algae use up some of the phosphates and nitrates, so readings of 0 for those two are probably due to the algae.

If this is the case what would be my next step?

marlinman86 05/10/2012 11:30 AM

what do u dose?

Reeflow 05/10/2012 11:37 AM

BRS recipe 1

Mikez1207 05/10/2012 11:43 AM

Do u spot feed corals....ur phosphate and nitrates are 0 because of algea...have u added any new rocks...how often do you change gfo and carbon

sponger0 05/10/2012 12:03 PM

Any recent changes to the tank?

If you do have nuisance algae the next thing would be removing PO4. Which normally people get a GFO reactor or also you can try a turf scrubber.

ChrisKirkland 05/10/2012 07:38 PM

I would most definitely look at getting your PO4 checked with a hanna meter (maybe a local reefer can help you out). I would also test the TDS of the LFS water. You can buy a handheld TDS meter for like $20 to get a good idea of what your getting. Sometimes LFS's will not replace the DI cartridge as often and after the membrane it may put out at like 10ppm TDS, and since the DI is used up it doesn't remove the 10ppm of dissolved nutrients.

Reeflow 05/10/2012 08:15 PM

Here are a couple of before and after shots. I also included some algae pics.

Before
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/x...5/DSC04029.jpg

After
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/x...5/IMG_0244.jpg

Before
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/x...5/tricolor.jpg

After
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/x...5/IMG_0247.jpg


Algae pics
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/x...5/IMG_0250.jpg
http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/x...5/IMG_0249.jpg

Reeflow 05/10/2012 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikez1207 (Post 20237583)
Do u spot feed corals....ur phosphate and nitrates are 0 because of algea...have u added any new rocks...how often do you change gfo and carbon

No i do not spot feed. I added some new rocks around the first of the year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sponger0 (Post 20237650)
Any recent changes to the tank?

If you do have nuisance algae the next thing would be removing PO4. Which normally people get a GFO reactor or also you can try a turf scrubber.

No recent changes. I have been using GFO for six months or so. I have not heard of turf scrubber but I will look into that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisKirkland (Post 20239413)
I would most definitely look at getting your PO4 checked with a hanna meter (maybe a local reefer can help you out). I would also test the TDS of the LFS water. You can buy a handheld TDS meter for like $20 to get a good idea of what your getting. Sometimes LFS's will not replace the DI cartridge as often and after the membrane it may put out at like 10ppm TDS, and since the DI is used up it doesn't remove the 10ppm of dissolved nutrients.

I will have to look into this when I get some time. I do want a RO/DI unit, I just havent pulled the trigger on it yet.


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