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bif24701 02/16/2014 04:55 PM

Just moved to Niceville.
 
I have a 120, a stand I built myself, a sump/skimmer built in. I plan on painting the stand, and getting water in the tank by end of the month. Just picked up some dry rock at "Matt's" need a sand bed however haven't decided on what. In going either with a 2" sugar fine, or a 1" reef grade so it won't move around on me with high flow. Need lights, and after seeing the Kessil 360 at matts in liking them. Maybe sup with a 420-440 mn led stripe for morning evening. My plan is a SPS dominate mixed reef. Very coral heavy light on fish. Would could go no fish but family would line that so have to get a few. Been in Korea the last year and took down the tank for that and my future move to wherever. Most of my equipment was sold, RO/DI, MP40, and metal halides, good stuff. Boy that MP40 was great! Sure should have kept that one, but if I can't afford it, I'll find something. However seems to be a much much smaller market for used equipment here than Phoenix. Any help would be appreciated. Only have one question, if one was willing is it possible to use water from the bay for filling and changes? I would put the water in 7 gallon blue jugs and let them sit for several days in the dark. I think this would kill anything bad in there. Thoughts?

BIGD0G 02/16/2014 06:21 PM

Welcome to the area. I too am in the process of setting up a 180. Mine is cycled now and I have a couple fish in quarantine. Working on my lighting now. Went with the kessil 360. Like you I want primarily a coral tank.

As for getting water out if the bay I would be care full where you get it. Boggy bayou in niceville /valp is usually under high fecal bacteria warnings especially in the summer. If I were to use water from the bay I would drive to the destin pass and get it on an incoming tide or go offshore to collect it. I live on the water in Shalimar and did not want to chance it there either. In my case though I bought an RODI and just mix my own.

Let us know how your setup progresses.

bif24701 02/16/2014 06:25 PM

Answers that question. Thanks. That's just way easier anyhow. Though I'll have to buy a new RO/DI. Are you using a controller with the 360's?

MacWilliams 02/17/2014 12:52 PM

I would not get water from the bay. I did a check on the salinity there and it was extremely low. So you would have to get salt either way. I would look at getting water from the gulf if you can find a good spot. That's much better and where I got my initial water to fill the tank to save a few hundred dollars. I'm pretty sure Paul b gets water from the ocean and he is a great aquarist. You need to be careful with pollution tho. As for the kessils Matt's was just having a sale on the 360 and you may want to call them to see if it's still going on. Get on their mailing list as well they have sales and shipments every week. I just bought my kessil 360 and get it tomorrow. Can't wait. I don't use a controller at the moment but will be getting a reefkeeper in the future.

GrndHog 02/17/2014 08:08 PM

Welcome bif!!!

bif24701 02/17/2014 08:12 PM

Looks like I'm going to just add the MP40 to the list. Making an order from BRS, that will include Hanna checkers and Reef Saver dry rock. About 75 pounds. Already have about 27 pound I bought from Matts. Will need some live sand to seed it at some point and some LR rubble. Staying with my EETS sump/skimmer combo, as it worked well before. Should I flush the tank with bleach and rid it of and alga spores, I think yes just to be sure. Maybe 3-5%

bif24701 02/17/2014 08:16 PM

Thanks Mac and GrndHog

BIGD0G 02/18/2014 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bif24701 (Post 22444842)
Answers that question. Thanks. That's just way easier anyhow. Though I'll have to buy a new RO/DI. Are you using a controller with the 360's?

I do have an Apex Controller and plan to use it with the 360s. I am still in the process of getting the canopy finished up so I can mount the lights. That is the next thing on my list to get done.

bif24701 02/18/2014 07:53 PM

I think the price and all the positive reviews on the new 360we is too much to by pass. I think I'll use them happily for years. No experience with all the dry rock, wonder how long I'll need to cycle and mature?

MacWilliams 02/19/2014 01:26 PM

I just set up my new A360WE yesterday and I'm in love. The color and shimmer effect on my 60 gallon cube is amazing. You wont regret it.

bif24701 02/20/2014 10:41 PM

I am sold on the Kessil. Just got my stand panted, I'll put it together. Get the tank back in the house then wait for my order from BRS.

want2yak 02/20/2014 11:09 PM

Welcome. I am in Destin. 90 gal mixed reef 2 Jessie 360's apex, moon lights and just added the auto feeder tonight. To the canopy I just finished 2weeks ago. Also I try to get all my stock and kessils from Matt they will do you right.

bif24701 02/20/2014 11:15 PM

Just moved to Niceville.
 
I saw Matt had them discounted so that is where I plan to get them for sure. I am looking for more than just moon lights however. I may just wait until I have a controller. That will solve my problem.

bif24701 02/21/2014 05:41 PM

Just pulled the trigger on two kKessil A360WE from Matt's Coral
Connection. What a deal! Could not find a better deal anywhere on the planet! Still shooting to have water in it by end of month. Still need my RO/DI. Can not wait to see these things.

GrndHog 02/21/2014 06:00 PM

Very nice.....please post some pics when you get it set up

bif24701 02/22/2014 06:01 AM

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...0B6EEA83EF.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...FA2341022C.jpg

bif24701 02/22/2014 09:05 AM

Just moved to Niceville.
 
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...1243BE3467.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...F7EE2E828D.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...1C47B0B174.jpg

DIY stand of 2x6 top frame and 90 degree 2x4 at each corner. 3/4 birch plywood wrapped will not flex, level, and not fancy but gets the job done! I did 2x6 on top so that I could have a big opening below the tank to easy get equipment in and out. I used exterior 2 1/2 and 3" high strength and corrosion resistant deck screws.

bif24701 02/22/2014 03:55 PM

Got a problem now, wife isn't strong enough to help lift it onto the stand.

bif24701 02/23/2014 12:12 AM

100 pounds of sand bought at Destin petsmart. May need more but I won't know until I get my reef scape done and then place the sand around it.

I chose these because my last tank was 100% sugar fine and my MP40 moved it around too much. Didn't blow around the tank but would build drifts and valleys I didn't like.
30 pound sugar fine
30 pounds agaramax select
40 pounds Ocean direct live sand.
Theses have a larger particle size and should resist movement more than sugar fine alone. Also hoping I can mount my power heads closer to the substrate than before.
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...5AB68136C7.jpg

GrndHog 02/23/2014 06:16 AM

Interested in seeing the mix.

Did you get the tank on the stand?

bif24701 02/23/2014 09:13 AM

Sure did, thanks BigDog.

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...7E15ECFD9E.jpg

bif24701 02/23/2014 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrndHog (Post 22469773)
Interested in seeing the mix.

Did you get the tank on the stand?


Me too, I'm thinking I'll need about 20-30 pounds but I'm going to wait and see.

bif24701 02/23/2014 09:29 AM

Just moved to Niceville.
 
Double post

MacWilliams 02/23/2014 01:19 PM

I actually used beach sand for my tank. Its very fine as everyone knows. It blew around for a bit until all got settled and i adjusted the flow correctly. Its now perfect and doesnt get blown around anymore. I love the pure white look it has.

bif24701 02/23/2014 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacWilliams (Post 22470990)
I actually used beach sand for my tank. Its very fine as everyone knows. It blew around for a bit until all got settled and i adjusted the flow correctly. Its now perfect and doesnt get blown around anymore. I love the pure white look it has.


Did you harvest around here? Isn't the sand here quartz? Had any problems with it? I'm sure it looks great, never seen sand so white as here.

MacWilliams 02/24/2014 09:04 AM

Yes, i went out to Narvarre and just drove down that road on the way to Fort Pickens. Not much traffic out that way so i felt a little safer getting it. I had the typical algae / new tank crap. But now it remains white and I dont notice anything that it could cause. I keep anemones / LPS / Inverts. Not sure what the sand is made from. I put it in a big tub with a water hose under it and ran that over night with the hose at the bottom of the tub so its getting out as much crap as possible. Then ran some RO through.

BIGD0G 02/24/2014 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bif24701 (Post 22470230)
Me too, I'm thinking I'll need about 20-30 pounds but I'm going to wait and see.

If you need more let me know. I have a full 30# bag of Tropic Eden Aragonite that I did not use. I'm sure we can work something out.

bif24701 02/25/2014 03:11 PM

I actually went to Matts and got 40 pounds of pink Fiji, now I'm think it might be to much. I have about 50 pounds in there now and it's at 1" so only need 40 more pounds or so. I'll have some left over.

bif24701 02/25/2014 05:40 PM

Created two full siphon drains with valves and a back up drain.

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...0933BBEF64.jpg

bif24701 02/26/2014 10:17 PM

Has anyone installed this type of full siphon silent over flow drain design? I could use some input.

BIGD0G 02/27/2014 08:12 AM

Hey bif24701 I have a dual herbie setup on my 180. I have 2 full siphon drains and 2 emergency overflows. It is very quiet. What type of issue are you having? If it is adjustment issues one thing I would recommend is changing the ball valves to gate valves. You get much finer adjustment with the gate valves.

Also if you want to come take a look at mine and see them in action you are more than welcome to swing by and look I am in Shalimar.

bif24701 02/27/2014 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGD0G (Post 22486311)
Hey bif24701 I have a dual herbie setup on my 180. I have 2 full siphon drains and 2 emergency overflows. It is very quiet. What type of issue are you having? If it is adjustment issues one thing I would recommend is changing the ball valves to gate valves. You get much finer adjustment with the gate valves.



Also if you want to come take a look at mine and see them in action you are more than welcome to swing by and look I am in Shalimar.


No water yet so no problems yet. Just looking for input. I would love to see your system. I'll message you. I have one emergency drain. Still putting it together though

bif24701 02/27/2014 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGD0G (Post 22486311)
Hey bif24701 I have a dual herbie setup on my 180. I have 2 full siphon drains and 2 emergency overflows. It is very quiet. What type of issue are you having? If it is adjustment issues one thing I would recommend is changing the ball valves to gate valves. You get much finer adjustment with the gate valves.



Also if you want to come take a look at mine and see them in action you are more than welcome to swing by and look I am in Shalimar.


I would hate to have to replace the ball valves because I just bought them. I'm just looking for and tips, tricks, and advice as you already provided. Anything else you think of please help.

GrndHog 02/27/2014 08:57 AM

Big Dog, when I get to that point in my build, I'd like to see what you have. I was going to do a durso but have read good things on the herbie

bif24701 02/27/2014 09:18 AM

What is the difference between a durso and a herbie?

BIGD0G 02/27/2014 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrndHog (Post 22486464)
Big Dog, when I get to that point in my build, I'd like to see what you have. I was going to do a durso but have read good things on the herbie

No problem. Ping me anytime and stop by to take a look. I would be happy to share my setup and what I have done. You don't have to wait till you get to that point of your build tough come anytime.

BIGD0G 02/27/2014 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bif24701 (Post 22486535)
What is the difference between a durso and a herbie?

While both designs should be quiet there are 2 main differences between them.

1. Air - The durso has a small hole at the top of the pipe in the overflow to let air in. While only a small amount of air you are still introducing air into the drain that could result in air bubbles in the sump. While not a huge issue in addition to having a quiet drain I wanted to limit air bubbles to reduce any chance of them ending up in the display tank. I realize you can use bubble trap in the sump and you should even with a Herbie but why introduce any more bubbles to have to deal with.

2. Flow - The herbie is a true full siphon meaning no air introduced thus allows for greater flow rates. Depending on the amount of flow you need through your sump could dictate which direction to go. If I recall correctly a 1" herbie will flow about 200 gallons more per hour than a 1' durso. If you return pump returns more water than a durso can handle you end up needing to throttle down the return side. I wanted to be able to use the full capacity of my return pump and thus would rather throttle the drain side vs. the return side.

The other benefit to me was no need for tees or elbow in the tank overflows just a straight pipe. The space in there is limited already so I did not want to camp it even more with elbows.

hope this helps.

bif24701 02/27/2014 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGD0G (Post 22486760)
While both designs should be quiet there are 2 main differences between them.



1. Air - The durso has a small hole at the top of the pipe in the overflow to let air in. While only a small amount of air you are still introducing air into the drain that could result in air bubbles in the sump. While not a huge issue in addition to having a quiet drain I wanted to limit air bubbles to reduce any chance of them ending up in the display tank. I realize you can use bubble trap in the sump and you should even with a Herbie but why introduce any more bubbles to have to deal with.



2. Flow - The herbie is a true full siphon meaning no air introduced thus allows for greater flow rates. Depending on the amount of flow you need through your sump could dictate which direction to go. If I recall correctly a 1" herbie will flow about 200 gallons more per hour than a 1' durso. If you return pump returns more water than a durso can handle you end up needing to throttle down the return side. I wanted to be able to use the full capacity of my return pump and thus would rather throttle the drain side vs. the return side.



The other benefit to me was no need for tees or elbow in the tank overflows just a straight pipe. The space in there is limited already so I did not want to camp it even more with elbows.



hope this helps.


Ok, thanks. I had two durso in my tank before. It work well when it worked but still the loudest part of the system when it would start to gurgle. I kept the holes small to minimize sound that created a partial siphon.

Now I want to do the full siphon and make as silent as possible.

BIGD0G 02/27/2014 04:47 PM

Yeah then go with the herbie. It is dead silent. I hear no sound from it at all and no gurgling. My tank is in a family room as well so we did not want to hear any gurgling noise from the tank.

bif24701 02/27/2014 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGD0G (Post 22488228)
Yeah then go with the herbie. It is dead silent. I hear no sound from it at all and no gurgling. My tank is in a family room as well so we did not want to hear any gurgling noise from the tank.


Right! I love looking at my corals and fish but nobody wants to hear noisy pumps, fans, and drains.

Replacing the MH with the LEDs and this drain system is sure to make a very pleasing difference.

bif24701 02/27/2014 06:27 PM

RO/DI arrived from BRS on time, very well packed and easy to install. Flushed for one hour as instructed and now collecting water in 29 gallon Brute trash can. @ 75 gpd it will take about three days to collect enough for my system including turning it all off at night to prevent a flood.

My other stuff arrived:
Mag 7
Refractometer
BRS 2 part
GFO
Carbon
And more filter socks. I ordered smaller ones than I have already by mistake. I may not even use them because I'm sure they will clog very quick then again I like having many socks so I can wash a ton at a time in the wash machine for conveyance.


http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...0C46CDAAF3.jpg

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...DC7D79211E.jpg

I also got 40 pounds of this Pink Fiji from Matts and added it to finish off the sand bed.
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...5502C22D12.jpg

Found the goose neck mounts for the Kessils at Petland. Lights will be here tomorrow!!!
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...DBCA89AA82.jpg

bif24701 02/27/2014 06:28 PM

Now collecting RO/DI. http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...EF22AE6FAA.jpg

BIGD0G 02/27/2014 10:16 PM

Nice. Looks like Christmas morning for you! I bought the same RODI from BRS as while back. It has been great so far. I think it is about time to replace the filter in mine. I was looking at them the other day and the first one looks very dirty.

I got a BRS shipment today myself. Needed another Apex energy bar 8 and VDM for the controller. Hoping to be able to finish wiring up the canopy this weekend so I can get the lights and powerheads running in the tank.

I keep thinking I need to go back and do a build thread for my tank like you have as well.

bif24701 02/27/2014 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGD0G (Post 22489391)
Nice. Looks like Christmas morning for you! I bought the same RODI from BRS as while back. It has been great so far. I think it is about time to replace the filter in mine. I was looking at them the other day and the first one looks very dirty.



I got a BRS shipment today myself. Needed another Apex energy bar 8 and VDM for the controller. Hoping to be able to finish wiring up the canopy this weekend so I can get the lights and powerheads running in the tank.



I keep thinking I need to go back and do a build thread for my tank like you have as well.



Haha! Just found about 15 feet of 1/4 tubing in the unpacking of garage!!


http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...CD80707AE5.jpg


Well, didn't intend on making a complete build thread but then thought it could help others and myself one day.

bif24701 02/28/2014 07:51 PM

Lights are on! Took about 10 mins to get everything hooked up and done! Looks great but water is cloudy until I get the system filled and pumps going.

bif24701 02/28/2014 07:54 PM

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...5A7DCC7AA8.jpg

Here it is.

bif24701 02/28/2014 11:40 PM

Unpacking the lights

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...ECFCF5B5A4.jpg

bif24701 03/01/2014 01:37 PM

Some amateur cable management! Haha. Easily could be worse but keeps all power supplies and connection up and away from any possible water spills. High and dry.

I like this heavy duty power strip, it secured to the wood via to strong wood screws. If I'm in a hurry to pull a plug I don't risk pulling everything down with it. They also have 300 joules surge protection and built in circuit breaker. Each plug is tight and secure as well, I've actually had a pump come disconnected simple by the weight of the cord once because of a cheap power strip.
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...6977F9ABF0.jpg

bif24701 03/02/2014 12:45 PM

Video of my 120 made with iPhone showing the shimmer.

http://youtu.be/mqFDj8ZpvmE

BIGD0G 03/02/2014 05:58 PM

Those look good. Can't wait to get mine running. I wanted to get it done this weekend but worked on a project for my wife this weekend.


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