My new mag
 

After rethinking my previous nem purchase I opted to take it to the lfs ane have them order me a mag. It was a bday present to myself. I picked it up 10/4 on my birthday and it looked very healthy overall. It was attached to the glass, almost all the tents were inflated but I assumed the ones that weren't were due to the clowns it was hosting already after just arriving that morning.

I hoped maybe I got lucky so I put it straight into the display after temp acclimating and checking salinity. Here it is that first day.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cd7ae221d0.jpg

It looked pretty good up until the second day and then it started to look pretty unhappy. Here it is 10/6https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...46cdc36188.jpg

By 10/7 it had gone completely down hill so I removed it to QT for cipro treatment.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a39892f397.jpg The hospital tank consists of a 10g with an older reef breeder light, korallia 425 power head, and heater all protected by egg crate. I immediately added a 250mg cipro to the tank.

Here it is 10/8
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Here is a photo of some of the crude it's been expelling. It's been mostly a whitish slim with a few small black flakes. It has been doing this daily.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5ea8ac4dc7.jpg

10/11
It has really started to improve.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...65eaa8bd12.jpg

Here it is today after a full week of cipro treatment.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...33965721cd.jpg

It still continues to do this every night but hasnt been expelling as much.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...aa42546589.jpg

Every night after lights out I siphoned out the crude and replaced 2g of water with fresh cipro added. I am fairly confident it will make a full recovery but will continue to monitor it over the next week and slowly ramp up light intensity before adding to the DT.

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Sorry guys I have no idea why the pics are rotated like that and have no clue how to fix it either.

Looking pretty good. It is recommended to do daily 100% waterchanges during treatment though. Seems like what you are doing is working but the last pic that shows some of the tentacles deflated is slightly concerning.

I tried 100% water changes at first but just wasn't able to change that much at once, I wanted to use a smaller tank but 10g was the smallest I could get my hands on. During the day it stays fully inflated. It's only after lights out it does that.

After you are done with treatment I’d try to do waterchanges for a couple of days with your display tank water and see how it looks. I’d definitely do at least 5 gal changes during treatment. I know it’s said that most of the dose is not effective after the 24 hours but with only doing 2 gal a day there may be some build up.

I just finished up a 7 day treatment with cipro on the 14th, was only able to acquire enough for a week. I do have septra on hand if necessary. I still have it in qt to monitor it and acclimate it to higher light.

I can definitely do a couple of 5g wc changes with DT water. I suppose it's possible some built up, after reading through the sticky and a few other threads it was my understanding that most or all would break down during lights on. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give it a shot.

Looking promising. Keep up the good work.

I've heard 100% WC is important. Without experience, I wouldn't say one way or another. Looks like it's working though! Good luck, and happy belated birthday.

I agree 100% is pretty important, and I think it's due to what it expels, you want that gone, and no amonia build up.

I know every time I treated the water got cloudy and cruddied up after a few days and just by looks it needed to be changed heavily.

It's good you had cipro on hand for fast treat, hopefully you were able to go long enough.
It seemed to be responding well, hopefully that continues.

Thank you Kinetic

The plan was to use a smaller tank so I would be able to do as close to 100% as possible but i didnt trust the tank i was offered. This left me with the 10g I have on hand for QT of new fish. I figured I could fill it half way and use it that way. Unfortunately the heater I have for qt cant be fully submerged(fluval) so there went that idea. I went from I got everything to do this right to what am I going to do now.

It is and was less than ideal and not what I initially planned so all I could do was adjust. I admit I could have done atleast 4g wc and the first couple were. The water didnt become cloudy even with the meds, or atleast not that I could tell. Every night I would syphon out all the little chunks it had expelled and anything else that was free floating.

I can certainly say it has been a huge learning experience overall. Dont become complacent and just assume you have everything. Had I completely checked my equipment before starting I'd have known my plan was flawed.

Thank you everyone for the suggestions and input, I definitely appreciate it. Currently I'm mixing up some water to start changing the qt with dt water.

It's now been roughly 48hrs since the last treatment with cipro, I turned the blues down and added more white this time.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5696bf15b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...631e00ddba.jpg

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Looks wonderful in those pics, hoping it works out for you.

Thank you!

During the day it looks amazing, it's always fully inflated, mouth closed tight, and extremely responsive. When siphoning out the expell if I would accidentally touch it with the hose it would immediately react. I haven't checked for stickiness yet though. It's only after lights out it doesnt look as good. It stays fully inflated and at times looks like an overinflated balloon. Some of the tentacles, maybe half a dozen or so will deflate slightly but it doesnt last long. I assume it does this to help it expel whatever it's trying to get rid of.

The healing process goes back and forth, good to horrible, back to good.

Retracting w/ lights out or when touched is normal, hopefully that is all you are seeing

So far whatever it's been doing has been fairly consistent from day to night. I really wanna this guy get healthy and make it to the display.

When I decided to share my journey with my new mag I knew that meant good or bad.

I was pretty confident and then this happend.
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Close up shots.
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I know they will expel all sorts of things during treatment and up until now it's only been little globs of clear/white slime. This seems pretty excessive though. Does explain why it's been so upset every night. It appears to be regaining itself slowly but it's pretty evident that poop took a lot of effort.



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I actually don’t think what you are seeing there is a big deal. It looks like it’s just expelling waste. I’d siphon it out and I’m sure it will look fine tomorrow. Mine, that I’ve had for around 2 years, looks way worse than that when it’s expelling waste.

I got out all of what I could and now it looks fairly well back to normal. I've dealt with bta in the past doing it and they usually look pretty worse for wear as well. Just got freaked out a little this time as it's my first mag and I'm not totally sure what to expect. Thank you for the reassurance pfan.

I am picking up a different heater tomorrow that can be fully submerged. Then I am going to remove half the water completely and change out the rest for DT water for a 100% wc. After that I am going to do 100% every other day with water from the DT while I adjust it to higher light.

I've actually seen this happen quite a few times when treating mags. It's almost like they are constipated and have one final big push to purge the remaining dead zoox and/or waste. It's really the make it or break it point for the nem. If they're strong enough to do a complete purge, then they're fine after that.

I tried to read all I could before finally committing but i guess i must have missed that part. I read the treatment threads on mags in the sticky but it never really mentioned that. Just that they will expel some zoox and other waste during treatment. Howver today i think this is the best it's ever looked since starting. The tents appear to be getting some length back to them again.

Appears to even be gaining some color back. Looks like a nice purple starting to come in. I turned blues completely off and whites up a little.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...adb9581f01.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...33cda4f015.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...05ff6d5ede.jpg

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Yea I think you are pretty in the clear. My well established one does something similar but actually looks way worse. Mine totally deflates and looks dead. Does it as it’s getting rid of waste every time. I’ve stopped feeding mine totally to avoid it.

He looks well to me. Best of luck.

Thank you both for the words of encouragement��

I just did a 50/50 with display water and turned the lights up a little more on each channel. Its really hard to not just put it in the display at this point but patience and going slowly has gotten me this far so I know a few more days will be more beneficial. I'm going to do one more wc in 2 days with tank water and go from there.

It looks like you saved it. Well done. I guess I got lucky with the 3 mags I have. They came in looking fantastic and never needed treatment. This is my first success with the species. Previous ones have just fallen apart. I filter my water with carbon in a Diatom filter about once per week. Turbulent water currents and powerful LEDS I believe are key to keeping mags.

I was hoping I would get lucky so I put it in the display but unfortunately after that it was all down hill. I'll consider it a success though when it's been in the main tank for about a month.

Between the 2 mp10's and my maxspect razr w/t5 supplements I think I should have enough of both to keep it happy and healthy.

Figured I'd do an update. Last night after lights out I decided to move it from quarantine to the display tank.

After the transfer.
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FTS
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This morning after the lights started to ramp up with the right side mp10 on. He already started to move 6in to the right.
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After all the lights had come on, turned t5's of for the photo, and both mp10's running. It seems to have stopped here.
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Looking good. Hopefully it will stay there for you. I think it may wander over to the other side of the rock pile though.

It takes awhile for them to settle down. Mine used to move every morning, coming back to the same spot. Finally it did an entire tour of the tank and settled down, hasn't moved for months.

Thank you! Really glad I decided to swap out.

It's been slowly moving to the highest point on the right side but I knew that would be a good possibility. The tank is pretty well devoid of corals except for a few pieces just to see what I could support so it can pretty well go where it wants without harm. Once its settled for a bit I'll begin to add more.

What's a good amount of time to wait before trying to add clowns? I want to add a small pair of percula but want to make sure its fully settled and healthy enough. I figured a month might be enough but open to other suggestions.

I don’t really think you have to wait for percs. The anemone is big enough that they can’t really do much to bother it. Especially if you are going with small ones.

That's definitely good to know. With all the deformities and duller colors from cb clowns I want to try and locate some wild caught ones.

Looks beautiful!
I agree, no need to wait, get some clowns

Good luck. Wild ones are nice. I still prefer CB ones direct from the breeder since they are pretty bullet proof. I agree with the deformities obviously but I’m not sure I agree that well bred CB ones are duller.

Thanks davocean and pfan, I'm hoping it gets some nice lavender or purple color to it. It looks like it has the potential. I'll be on the look out and see what I can find for clowns.

I'll agree with you on that though pfan, the cb are pretty solid. Unfortunately I don't know where I could get any direct from a breeder. The clowns and nem were to be the center piece of the tank so I really want a pair of clowns that will stand out out.

One thing I like about cb is they seem less aggressive to ME

Many see the hand as a host or at least friendly, especially if you get them very young, so my present and past percs I got young were super cool to me, even if I'm grabbing eggs they don't bite me.

It's a pretty big plus for me

I searched for perfect clowns for nearly a year, and actually found mine on ebay of all places.

I follow a fb page called clownfish marketplace, lots of breeders on there, be picky and observe closely in vid and pics would be my advice if you go that route.

Try not to have shipped during harsh weather, but other than that shipping fish is pretty well down most of the time

I have heard a few stories of clowns nipping and drawing blood, doesnt sound pleasant. I try to keep my hands out whenever possible.

Thanks for the heads up and advice, I'll definitely have to look into that.

Your hands will be in tank, whether or not to wear gloves or not up to you, but you will most likely be gluing frags or scrubbing glass or rearranging things.

I used to have a nasty maroon, and I broke so many corals from her sneak attacks that would always surprise and startle me, and I'm not a small sissy guy, I'm a carpenter and I don't even acknowledge most splinters or cuts these days I'm so used to it, but that dang maroon...

Anyway, it's SO nice knowing I can put my hand in tank and not have blood drawn, not only from that maroon, but sometimes I'd get bit by her AND jabbed by the coral I just broke just from flinching!

I admit I dont nor have I ever worn gloves. I know it's highly recommended by some, I guess it's just faster and easier not to. Knock on wood I dont eat those words.

That would be my biggest worry is breaking corals, after the amount of work and effort that goes in to grow a colony out. My monti used to be bigger till I broke it. Was a sad day.

Oh I broke a huge purple monti thanks to that maroon, have a pic somewhere.

Not only did she bite me, but if I stuck a coral what she considered too close to her area she would literally bite and lift it w/ her mouth and carry it away, and if she could not lift it, she would actually head butt it to pieces.
I so do not miss that maroon!

I don't wear gloves either, lazy I guess.

I did start wearing a shiny watch back then as I realized she would bite at her reflection in that watch instead of me!

Maroon memories...

My mo ti has been my fastest grower so far but I can already see new growth and it doesnt look like it will disturb the growth pattern too much.

I decided long ago maroons weren't for me. To many horror stories and just never was a big fan. I know some love them though. I wanted either true percs or onyx pervs but finally decided on true. I do recall reading one of your posts not that long ago where you recommended wearing a watch to distract from your hand. Sounds like a great idea to me! Might just have to buy one if theres issues. Any recommendations on a specific watch that you don't have to worry about being in the tank? I know even most plastic ones use different metals in them.

Lol, anything waterproof and shiny, even a wide bracelet would do, and I know it sounds kinda goofy but it works.

I would not do that unless a clown is giving issues, it's my opinion aggressiveness can be brought out and set a pattern, a passive clown seeing a reflection may spark up.

Long ago maroons were such the rage, they look great in photos, many of us wanted GSM's, ...at first!

They are still pretty, but I'm over keeping them.

Goofy or not if it works it works. Still better than being constantly bit haha

Have you noticed more or less aggression from clowns when provided with a nem?

I like the plain old clowns, cant say as I much care for all these new "designer" clowns either. Then again most of the fish I have picked have been based off fish that I saw as a kid at the lfs and none of those existed then that I can recall.

Well it's been about 48hrs or so now and the mag still hasnt seemed to settle in. Came home this morning and its on the front left corner of the rock work smothering the monti frag on the sand bed. I'm sure I kiss that piece good bye lol Really glad I waited to add more frags till after nem was in.

The position is fine. Do you turn to MP10 off at night? You May does not have enough flow and is hunting for more row is my guess. Can you post a video of the amount of cow it is getting?

My mp10's run 24/7 with different schedules throughout the day. At night they run in constant at the lowest setting which is 15% I believe. I think you could be right about the flow as 2 different times now it has set up right in front of one or the other. I dont have any videos at the moment but can certainly try and post one after work tonight.

This is where it was when I came home this morning to get ready for work.
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I have noticed it is impossible to get a fts without my reflection or something else reflecting of the front glass.

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Wow, well it was looking for something, less light or more flow, going on last comments could be flow.

I know my mag is pretty close to my MP40 which is set at about 90% on reef crest mode, aimed just below the rock it sits on so it's slightly diffused, but still getting pretty good flow.

Maybe as lights are on it will climb back up.

I think Minh is probably right given twice it has positioned itself in front of one or the other. They're hard to see in photo's but they're both on the back glass about 3/4 up with on unobstructed shot at the front. I can turn them up if need be. Just looked to be blowing the tents to hard to mr. I can post a photo of my schedule to look at.

Both mp10's run the same schedule and percentages with the slave sometimes being synced sometimes not.
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Looks like you are turning your flow way down at night if I'm reading right, no need, and in actuality our small contained systems benefit from keeping flow up, if anything during lights out we'd really be better off turning up rather than down.

Ocean currents do not relax at night, only surface looks calm as winds usually die down.

I do run reefcrest mode as I like random flow, and I don't even sinc my vorts, but other than that they remain constant

Most of my pics of my nem and clowns I'm trying not to show PH, so this FTS before I got my mag shows my placement just to give you an idea how much flow they can handle.

I purposely placed my vorts so it hits the rock just below where my mag was placed so it is not a straight on harsh hit, but rather diffused, but it's still getting flow a plenty.

Of course we have to be a little careful to not put too close, especially a new not yet settled nem, but mags I've had seem to like having a good amount of flow and stay put w/ maybe just minor adjustments.

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