Treating with Vitamin C - Page 27

getoyute · 03/28/2010, 10:49 PM

I've been adding it on the other end of my sump lately where my skimmer output is. The negative reaction from my SPS have not been as bad so maybe after a few days I'll bump up the ppm.

Pufferpunk · 03/28/2010, 10:54 PM

Maybe it wasn't getting dissolved well enough? I'd try dissolving in some RO water, before pouring in your sump.

Reeefer · 03/28/2010, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pufferpunk

I always dose my alk/ca/VC at night & then if I remember again in the morning, I'll dose VC again in my DT.

Just reread a few pages and was curious why you do your 2 part at night. I read that it was better to do it with lights on bc of stability issues. I usually dose my 2 part and vc in the am and mag, iodine, and vc in the late afternoon. I'll start mixing the vc in the sump.

Pufferpunk · 03/28/2010, 11:43 PM

Heh, because I'm usually running around in the morning getting ready for work & forget! Seems to be working for me.

Reeefer · 03/28/2010, 11:48 PM

Yepper, I always deal with the tank for 5 minutes in the morning, feed my Labs, get my daughter her milk and vitamin and get myself out the door for work.

Pufferpunk · 03/28/2010, 11:56 PM

Yep--lucky I remember to feed the dog! Good thing I don't have kids.

au01st · 03/30/2010, 10:07 AM

Alright, all hornets are now open! Purple hornet has 2 babies, Blue hornet has 1 baby, Spiderman has 6 babies!

Water has been crystal clear since about 2 days into dosing, but I am getting 2 patches of cyano appx. 2"x4" on each side of the tank on the bottom. No biggie, nothing down there anyways.

SPS: Montipora Undata has had better polyp extension and better polyp color. Mind Trick Monti has produced measurable growth since the start of dosing (it's grown more since I started dosing than it has since I got it 2 months ago...). Pokerstar monti now has shades of pink, which looks bad a$$ IMHO. Setosa has turned from orange to pinkish, which my girlfriend approves of.

All in all, great results that AFAIK can be attributed to the VC dosing.

Pufferpunk · 03/30/2010, 12:33 PM

My Alien Eye chalice has developed pink in it too, which is really cool. I also have a bit of cyano but I attest that to older bulbs.

au01st · 03/30/2010, 02:07 PM

I've got a 150w Phoenix that's about 2 months old...

Pufferpunk · 03/30/2010, 02:31 PM

It still is normal to see some cyano when 1st dosing. So glad to hear of your success with it!

Reeefer · 03/30/2010, 10:24 PM

Well I can't report that I see better coloration from my Zoos, LPS, or SPS, but my phosphates and nitrates are 0! Ladies and gentlemen those two parameters have never been zero......ever. What's also interesting is that although Ive upped my Ca and Mg 5ml and 2 ml respectively daily in response to the last tests 2 weeks ago where they had dropped, my Ca and Mg still dropped. Maybe this is due to more growth as I haven't added anything to my system. Not really sure.

toeside · 04/06/2010, 10:14 AM

Been following the thread for a while... and just wanted to report results of VC treatment on my own tank. I run a 10g/10g with PCs hosting soft and LPS corals.

Maybe two months ago, virtually every zoanthid in my tank was unhappy. All were either closed or partially closed and some were even receding. Everything else in the tank, frogspawn, GSP, xenia, mushrooms, etc. looked good. The green hair algae covering my rock and zoa frags also looked very healthy.

For the zoa problem, I had tried different lighting, moving to quarantine, medication, changing salt mix (to Reef Crystals from IO)... you name it... nothing seemed to help. Finally, I ran across your VC dosing system here, and gave it a go.

I dosed what I thought to be 10ppm twice a day for two weeks. I dissolved 1/8 teaspoon of sodium ascorbate powder into a bit of RO and added to my sump. For my system and the powder I was using, that may have been too much, because towards the end, I started seeing some clouding and whitish growth on my glass and my xenia started to get really skinny. At that point, I stopped dosing.

The very good news is that just a few days into it, the positive results began. First, the zoas were clearly more colorful... the centers of the partially open ones fluoresced beautifully. Then slowly but surely, the polyps on each different variety began to relax and open. And each day they seemed to look better. The improvement has continued to this day, even though I stopped dosing over a month ago. I can say these corals even look better than the day I got them home from the store.

And it gets better. My GHA problem has completely disappeared. I mean it is g-o-n-e gone. I wasn't counting on the VC to help with that, but it has. I am literally thrilled with the results. I can't say enough about how much it has helped. THANK YOU for all your help!

Pufferpunk · 04/06/2010, 12:03 PM

Yippee, another great rebound! Yes, the VC will starve your algae. My cheato disappeared too.

Handofdume · 04/10/2010, 02:37 PM

Hi im aware that this is more expensive then then the other you linked but its available locally. Would you consider it the same
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Sodiu...227-g/795?at=0

ludnix · 04/10/2010, 02:41 PM

That looks right to me, you might try double checking the ingredients before purchasing though. Some forms of vitamin c had copper or other undesirable chemicals but it should say on the bottle.

Pufferpunk · 04/10/2010, 03:03 PM

Exact same thing, just 1/2 the amount of the 16oz.

Handofdume · 04/10/2010, 04:11 PM

thanks for the fast reply i have read this thread from start to finish and i am going to give this a shot. I looked back but couldnt find it. Did someone say 5 salifert test spoons = 1/4 tspn? thanks

Pufferpunk · 04/10/2010, 04:38 PM

Yes, you are correct. You started at the very 1st split of this thread???

Handofdume · 04/10/2010, 05:37 PM

Thanks. Yup i started on page 1 of the first part of this and read every post as well as every post or article linked off of it. I like to read lol. On a side not the C i bought from a health food store. It was in the Pet section. I asked the clerk why and was told because most people who buy it either use it in their fish tank or for their dog

Pufferpunk · 04/10/2010, 06:08 PM

Ingredients? Lots of great info on VC in the Reef Chemistry forum too.

HiroPro · 04/10/2010, 07:54 PM

After reading this thread, I've decided to give it a try. A lot of my zoas have been unhappy the past month or so. No real change in any of the tank parameters. The only thing different is that I've been dosing Mg for bryopsis.
Most zoas appear to be healthy except they have really lost a lot of color. One colony of them (can't remember name right now) isn't opening. Just started my first dose tonight. I'll try to post some before and after pics.

Handofdume · 04/11/2010, 01:37 AM

If you mean me the only ingredients are vit c and sodium

Pufferpunk · 04/11/2010, 09:25 AM

You mean ascorbic acid? How much per tsp or 1/4 tsp? Be sure to compare against the amounts used in our chart for ppm dosing.

Handofdume · 04/11/2010, 10:43 AM

I should of been clearer its Vitamin C from Sodium Ascorbate and Sodium from Sodium Ascorbate. It is 1690mg per 1/2 tsp. My tank is a 65g with a sump. I figure with live rock etc my total water is pretty close to 65 so im basing it off of that. I am mostly doing this because this seems like a safer way to dose for N/P reduction.

I started this morning by dosing 1 salifert spoon (approx 169mg or .7ppm). I will do this twice a day adding a spoon every 3-5 days untill i get to a 1/4tsp.

Assuming i get the same results as others have posted i will be getting the nutribiotics version that you use and up to a 1/4 tsp of that which will leave me at around 4.5ppm which from what i understand will be a good maintenance dose.

Thanks alot for the effort you put into this.

Pufferpunk · 04/11/2010, 10:50 AM

1690 mg of ascorbic acid??? Should be ascorbic acid mixed with sodium.

I think you can safely start out with a 1/4 tsp. I started at that for my 40g (way less water volume in this tank with rocks too). Since the I-herb stuff contains 1112 mg per 1/4 tsp, you're getting even less value.

03/28/2010, 11:48 PM	#655
Reeefer Zookeeper Join Date: May 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,144	Yepper, I always deal with the tank for 5 minutes in the morning, feed my Labs, get my daughter her milk and vitamin and get myself out the door for work. __________________ RedSeaE260wSump-Vectra M1-2 Hydra26HD-2 MP40wQD-Vtech Battery Backup-Bubble Magus Curve 5 Skimmer-Bubble Magus Mini 80 Reactor-Tunze 3155 ATO Bio Cube 29-Prime HD-MP10wQD-Tunze 9001 Skimmer-InTank Me Current Tank Info: Not Enough

03/30/2010, 10:07 AM	#657
au01st Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Auburn, AL Posts: 160	Alright, all hornets are now open! Purple hornet has 2 babies, Blue hornet has 1 baby, Spiderman has 6 babies! Water has been crystal clear since about 2 days into dosing, but I am getting 2 patches of cyano appx. 2"x4" on each side of the tank on the bottom. No biggie, nothing down there anyways. SPS: Montipora Undata has had better polyp extension and better polyp color. Mind Trick Monti has produced measurable growth since the start of dosing (it's grown more since I started dosing than it has since I got it 2 months ago...). Pokerstar monti now has shades of pink, which looks bad a$$ IMHO. Setosa has turned from orange to pinkish, which my girlfriend approves of. All in all, great results that AFAIK can be attributed to the VC dosing. __________________ Ask me where to get reasonably priced 1/4" clear netting for DIY screen tops! Current Tank Info: 90g Reef, 120 Rimless Starfire in the works

03/30/2010, 02:07 PM	#659
au01st Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Auburn, AL Posts: 160	I've got a 150w Phoenix that's about 2 months old... __________________ Ask me where to get reasonably priced 1/4" clear netting for DIY screen tops! Current Tank Info: 90g Reef, 120 Rimless Starfire in the works

04/10/2010, 02:41 PM	#665
ludnix Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,037	That looks right to me, you might try double checking the ingredients before purchasing though. Some forms of vitamin c had copper or other undesirable chemicals but it should say on the bottle. __________________ -Eric Sutter Current Tank Info: 14g Biocube

04/10/2010, 07:54 PM	#671
HiroPro Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bella Vista, AR Posts: 139	After reading this thread, I've decided to give it a try. A lot of my zoas have been unhappy the past month or so. No real change in any of the tank parameters. The only thing different is that I've been dosing Mg for bryopsis. Most zoas appear to be healthy except they have really lost a lot of color. One colony of them (can't remember name right now) isn't opening. Just started my first dose tonight. I'll try to post some before and after pics. __________________ Ryan \| In2Deep.org "Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination." Current Tank Info: 40G Breeder - 120 In progress

03/28/2010, 10:49 PM	#651
getoyute Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 91	I've been adding it on the other end of my sump lately where my skimmer output is. The negative reaction from my SPS have not been as bad so maybe after a few days I'll bump up the ppm.

03/28/2010, 10:54 PM	#652
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	Maybe it wasn't getting dissolved well enough? I'd try dissolving in some RO water, before pouring in your sump.

03/28/2010, 11:43 PM	#654
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	Heh, because I'm usually running around in the morning getting ready for work & forget! Seems to be working for me.

03/28/2010, 11:56 PM	#656
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	Yep--lucky I remember to feed the dog! Good thing I don't have kids.

03/30/2010, 12:33 PM	#658
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	My Alien Eye chalice has developed pink in it too, which is really cool. I also have a bit of cyano but I attest that to older bulbs.

03/30/2010, 02:31 PM	#660
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	It still is normal to see some cyano when 1st dosing. So glad to hear of your success with it!

03/30/2010, 10:24 PM	#661
Reeefer Zookeeper Join Date: May 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,144	Well I can't report that I see better coloration from my Zoos, LPS, or SPS, but my phosphates and nitrates are 0! Ladies and gentlemen those two parameters have never been zero......ever. What's also interesting is that although Ive upped my Ca and Mg 5ml and 2 ml respectively daily in response to the last tests 2 weeks ago where they had dropped, my Ca and Mg still dropped. Maybe this is due to more growth as I haven't added anything to my system. Not really sure.

04/06/2010, 10:14 AM	#662
toeside Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Marietta, Georgia Posts: 42	Been following the thread for a while... and just wanted to report results of VC treatment on my own tank. I run a 10g/10g with PCs hosting soft and LPS corals. Maybe two months ago, virtually every zoanthid in my tank was unhappy. All were either closed or partially closed and some were even receding. Everything else in the tank, frogspawn, GSP, xenia, mushrooms, etc. looked good. The green hair algae covering my rock and zoa frags also looked very healthy. For the zoa problem, I had tried different lighting, moving to quarantine, medication, changing salt mix (to Reef Crystals from IO)... you name it... nothing seemed to help. Finally, I ran across your VC dosing system here, and gave it a go. I dosed what I thought to be 10ppm twice a day for two weeks. I dissolved 1/8 teaspoon of sodium ascorbate powder into a bit of RO and added to my sump. For my system and the powder I was using, that may have been too much, because towards the end, I started seeing some clouding and whitish growth on my glass and my xenia started to get really skinny. At that point, I stopped dosing. The very good news is that just a few days into it, the positive results began. First, the zoas were clearly more colorful... the centers of the partially open ones fluoresced beautifully. Then slowly but surely, the polyps on each different variety began to relax and open. And each day they seemed to look better. The improvement has continued to this day, even though I stopped dosing over a month ago. I can say these corals even look better than the day I got them home from the store. And it gets better. My GHA problem has completely disappeared. I mean it is g-o-n-e gone. I wasn't counting on the VC to help with that, but it has. I am literally thrilled with the results. I can't say enough about how much it has helped. THANK YOU for all your help!

04/06/2010, 12:03 PM	#663
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	Yippee, another great rebound! Yes, the VC will starve your algae. My cheato disappeared too.

04/10/2010, 02:37 PM	#664
Handofdume Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19	Hi im aware that this is more expensive then then the other you linked but its available locally. Would you consider it the same http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Sodiu...227-g/795?at=0

04/10/2010, 03:03 PM	#666
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	Exact same thing, just 1/2 the amount of the 16oz.

04/10/2010, 04:11 PM	#667
Handofdume Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19	thanks for the fast reply i have read this thread from start to finish and i am going to give this a shot. I looked back but couldnt find it. Did someone say 5 salifert test spoons = 1/4 tspn? thanks

04/10/2010, 04:38 PM	#668
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	Yes, you are correct. You started at the very 1st split of this thread???

04/10/2010, 05:37 PM	#669
Handofdume Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19	Thanks. Yup i started on page 1 of the first part of this and read every post as well as every post or article linked off of it. I like to read lol. On a side not the C i bought from a health food store. It was in the Pet section. I asked the clerk why and was told because most people who buy it either use it in their fish tank or for their dog

04/10/2010, 06:08 PM	#670
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	Ingredients? Lots of great info on VC in the Reef Chemistry forum too.

04/11/2010, 01:37 AM	#672
Handofdume Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19	If you mean me the only ingredients are vit c and sodium

04/11/2010, 09:25 AM	#673
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	You mean ascorbic acid? How much per tsp or 1/4 tsp? Be sure to compare against the amounts used in our chart for ppm dosing.

04/11/2010, 10:43 AM	#674
Handofdume Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19	I should of been clearer its Vitamin C from Sodium Ascorbate and Sodium from Sodium Ascorbate. It is 1690mg per 1/2 tsp. My tank is a 65g with a sump. I figure with live rock etc my total water is pretty close to 65 so im basing it off of that. I am mostly doing this because this seems like a safer way to dose for N/P reduction. I started this morning by dosing 1 salifert spoon (approx 169mg or .7ppm). I will do this twice a day adding a spoon every 3-5 days untill i get to a 1/4tsp. Assuming i get the same results as others have posted i will be getting the nutribiotics version that you use and up to a 1/4 tsp of that which will leave me at around 4.5ppm which from what i understand will be a good maintenance dose. Thanks alot for the effort you put into this.

04/11/2010, 10:50 AM	#675
Pufferpunk Moved On Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 21,048	1690 mg of ascorbic acid??? Should be ascorbic acid mixed with sodium. I think you can safely start out with a 1/4 tsp. I started at that for my 40g (way less water volume in this tank with rocks too). Since the I-herb stuff contains 1112 mg per 1/4 tsp, you're getting even less value.