Leopard Wrasse Primer - Page 88

Mike S · 03/21/2012, 07:06 PM

Thanks for the tip. I've always read that it suppresses their appetite.

Mike S · 03/21/2012, 07:23 PM

Skimmer off while treating with prazi pro right? I've only every used it in my QT.

jason2459 · 03/21/2012, 07:28 PM

Do you use some kind of carbon source to help drive up a bacteria population? Like vodka, vinegar, or bio-pellets? If so I would leave the Skimmer running but open up the gate valve almost all the way so it doesn't actually skim anything out but still provides air water mix to help with the O2 levels. It will foam like crazy so you may need to open it all the way up or take the collection cup off if its an insump skimmer. If you don't provide a carbon source then just take it offline completely and remove any carbon (GAC) .

Mike S · 03/21/2012, 07:34 PM

Thanks Jason yes I do use biopelets so I will just open it up as you suggested. Its a new skimmer and is just breaking in so I'll need to keep an eye on it over the next few days. The tank is treated. I should treat the tank once a week for a total of about 3 treatments right?

iamwrasseman · 03/21/2012, 07:36 PM

the prazi pro also produces micro bubbles so there will be plenty of oxygen but thats a great idea jason . good stress reduction for sure .

Mike S · 03/21/2012, 07:39 PM

You guys aren't kidding about the microbubbles lol. The bipartitus could care less but is really making my carpenter flash.

jason2459 · 03/21/2012, 08:36 PM

I do three to be safe after reading through this thread a few times. Though twice would probably be enough. If the Skimmer is new then you're in for a double whammy of microbubbles as a Skimmer or most all new plumbing as well creates microbubbles until broken in. You can try and put a fine micron sock like 100micron or less over the Skimmer outlet or a big foam block to help reduce the micro bubbles. 200micon might be fine too and may be easier to find. Is this an in sump Skimmer?

You could also temporarily shove some of the polyfill type pads used for wetdry trickle filters between the baffles if they can't keep up with the microbubbles.

Mike S · 03/27/2012, 08:05 PM

Knock on wood it has been just about a week and my bipartitus is doing good. He's eating pe and hikari mysis and rods frozen between picking at my rocks. Hasn't taken any flakes yet but has nibbled at hikari freeze dried brine. He's also starting to get up earlier each day. Just did a second treatment of prazi tonight.

jason2459 · 03/27/2012, 10:47 PM

Sounds great Mike. good luck.

I'm getting close to getting my Kuiter's in my main tank and stressing out about what will happen. We'll see in a few more days. So far she's been doing great. Likes all types of mysis, the PE cyclopeeze and baby brine right up front. Picked up on the mixed frozen but doesn't really go for the pellets. Sleep cycle is on track with my main tank now.

gemini aquarius(t) · 03/30/2012, 12:56 AM

Bought a Macropharyngodon negrosensis from my LFS today, but decided to leave him in the store for a day or two to calm down from all the shipping/acclimation/handling stressors. My question is thinking into the future. Is it possible to keep a leopard wrasse (or a few) healthy and thriving off of cyclopeeze, PE mysis, and flakes/pellets? I know they pick on copepods almost constantly, but should I worry about them depleting the pod populations?

iamwrasseman · 03/30/2012, 06:47 AM

certainly it it ,the only "trick" is to feed them often enough . i feed mine six to eight times a day with no problems . yes i do a 25% waterchange every week and have no nitrates . mine only get cyclopeeze,PE and nutrimar ova which is prawn eggs and very small ,kind of like fish crack as they cannot resist it

reefjunkie42 · 03/30/2012, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamwrasseman

certainly it it ,the only "trick" is to feed them often enough . i feed mine six to eight times a day with no problems . yes i do a 25% waterchange every week and have no nitrates . mine only get cyclopeeze,PE and nutrimar ova which is prawn eggs and very small ,kind of like fish crack as they cannot resist it

the best thing to feed!

iamwrasseman · 03/30/2012, 08:23 PM

thats it in a nutshell !

SoCalDude · 03/30/2012, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemini aquarius(t)

Bought a Macropharyngodon negrosensis from my LFS today, but decided to leave him in the store for a day or two to calm down from all the shipping/acclimation/handling stressors. My question is thinking into the future. Is it possible to keep a leopard wrasse (or a few) healthy and thriving off of cyclopeeze, PE mysis, and flakes/pellets? I know they pick on copepods almost constantly, but should I worry about them depleting the pod populations?

I find that after getting mine to eat frozen and flake/pellets, they do not really spend as much time looking for pods.

Paramecium · 03/31/2012, 05:15 AM

When I got my Potter's I left him at the store for a month to hang out in the copper treated tanks. Brought it home and give it about a two hour acclimation. It was eating frozen mysis right off the bat and after about a week of throwing some pellets in with the frozen it started eating them. Now he fights for pellets with the rest of the fish, only feed once a day and he is fat and happy.

I know that they can be tricky fish but if you wait for a good healthy specimen your chances of them surviving go up exponentially.

iamwrasseman · 03/31/2012, 05:37 AM

so cal dude , in no way am i doubting you but mine are fed six to eight times a day and still all they do is pick on the rock work in the hopes of finding pods . i have always found this to be true but you may have some that don't have that ultra high metabolism as most do .
Paramecium , you should tell your LFS that most of the time they will be killing their wrasses with a copper treatment as wrasses do not tolerate copper very well at all.the leopards are especially effected by copper in a negative way as they are extremely sensitive to it and rarely make it through a copper treatment

jason2459 · 03/31/2012, 08:45 AM

Mine eats constantly all day including feeding 6x. Feed pellets on a timer 4 times a day then feed a cube of frozen when I get home and another cube a couple hours later. I still see them picking at the rocks and the corners.

BTW, it's done the Kuiter's is in the main display... She's an early riser and got her in before the rooster got up. Hope all goes well when he gets up.

jason2459 · 03/31/2012, 09:47 AM

Potter's has been out for a while now and looks like they are not only are doing OK but seem to actually like each other. They have been swimming around with each other like the Potter's is showing the new girl around town.

jason2459 · 04/01/2012, 12:07 PM

Kuiter's and Potter's are doing absolutely great together but the Potter's has decided he now HATES the smaller bipart that I have left.

Just can't win and seems like the Potter's will have nothing to do with more then one other Leopard in the tank. I'm going to just try and remove the bipart and see my LFS will trade in. Sucks I had to get an aggressive one. Don't know if all Porter's are like this or just this one. He is growing really well and looks awesome so decided to keep him and just the Kuiter's.

Postal · 04/01/2012, 09:14 PM

You can add me to the list of addicts.

I have a pair of negrosensis and a female meleagris sharing a tank with my orange-spotted filefish.
And next weekend I am picking up another female meleagris along with a female bipartitus from a fellow reefer who is moving cross country and needs to find homes for his livestock.
The new meleagris will go with my current one in hopes of getting one to change to male. The bipartitus will go in another tank and hopefully have a girlfriend or two added eventually.

Here's a trio you probably don't see very often.

jason2459 · 04/02/2012, 10:40 AM

Very nice looking Postal. I would love to get a negrosensis but seems like my Potter's wont allow more then one other leopard in my tank.

jason2459 · 04/02/2012, 09:17 PM

Patience pays sometimes. Decided to give it at least a couple days and see what happens today since the bipartitus was scared into the sand pretty quickly yesterday.

Watching today the Potter's, Kuiter's, and bipart were all out and swimming around. The Kuiter's and Potter's almost seem like mates the way they have been swimming around together. The Bipart is still a bit skittish and every so often the Potter's darts after her but it's not a constant charging like he did with the larger bipart I had and like he was yesterday. Hope it settles down some more but it's a better sign then it looked yesterday. I still would be scared to add anymore like I would like to but just don't want to chance it anymore.

jason2459 · 04/03/2012, 06:41 PM

Looks like there is some what of a peace agreement. The Potter's and Kuiter's still swimming around all over the tank like mates. But it looks like the bipart is only hanging around the right half of the tank and is not venturing over to the left side at all. There is still the quick dashes every so often from both the Kuiter's and the Potters. They are quick and over with when it happens and seems like just their way of showing their dominance. It will be interesting to see if the bipart will continue to keep turning male. The face is greener and has been slighting changing since I got him. Maybe one of those natural born males?

jason2459 · 04/04/2012, 09:30 AM

Here's a video I took last night. It finally uploaded and processed. The Kuiter's is still camera shy but you can see her come out of hiding to warn the bipart to stay on his side of the tank. Then the Potter's goes over and flashes him and does a short little dash to say I'm the rooster of the tank. This is much better then the I'm going to kill you mad chasing that was happening. Excuse the algae out break as my pukani dry rock is in the process of leaching PO4. It's already starting to die off.

HD video link: http://youtu.be/QyNO5p8eHtM?hd=1

aandfsoccr04 · 04/04/2012, 06:43 PM

Can't view your video. It says it's private and the owner must grant me access.

View Poll Results: Indicate those species you keep in your tank
Macropharyngodon bipartitus	5	26.32%
Macropharyngodon choati	1	5.26%
Macropharyngodon geoffroy	1	5.26%
Macropharyngodon meleagris	6	31.58%
Macropharyngodon negrosensis	5	26.32%
Other	1	5.26%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

03/21/2012, 07:28 PM	#2178
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Do you use some kind of carbon source to help drive up a bacteria population? Like vodka, vinegar, or bio-pellets? If so I would leave the Skimmer running but open up the gate valve almost all the way so it doesn't actually skim anything out but still provides air water mix to help with the O2 levels. It will foam like crazy so you may need to open it all the way up or take the collection cup off if its an insump skimmer. If you don't provide a carbon source then just take it offline completely and remove any carbon (GAC) . __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

03/21/2012, 07:36 PM	#2180
iamwrasseman Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: syracuse Posts: 6,976	the prazi pro also produces micro bubbles so there will be plenty of oxygen but thats a great idea jason . good stress reduction for sure . __________________ This hobby certainly can put you in some weird positions ! Dave Current Tank Info: 40 freshwater,25saltwater 2000 gallons ,enough tanks for an army ?

03/21/2012, 08:36 PM	#2182
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	I do three to be safe after reading through this thread a few times. Though twice would probably be enough. If the Skimmer is new then you're in for a double whammy of microbubbles as a Skimmer or most all new plumbing as well creates microbubbles until broken in. You can try and put a fine micron sock like 100micron or less over the Skimmer outlet or a big foam block to help reduce the micro bubbles. 200micon might be fine too and may be easier to find. Is this an in sump Skimmer? You could also temporarily shove some of the polyfill type pads used for wetdry trickle filters between the baffles if they can't keep up with the microbubbles. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank Last edited by jason2459; 03/21/2012 at 08:42 PM.

03/27/2012, 10:47 PM	#2184
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Sounds great Mike. good luck. I'm getting close to getting my Kuiter's in my main tank and stressing out about what will happen. We'll see in a few more days. So far she's been doing great. Likes all types of mysis, the PE cyclopeeze and baby brine right up front. Picked up on the mixed frozen but doesn't really go for the pellets. Sleep cycle is on track with my main tank now. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

03/21/2012, 07:06 PM	#2176
Mike S Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 109	Thanks for the tip. I've always read that it suppresses their appetite.

03/21/2012, 07:23 PM	#2177
Mike S Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 109	Skimmer off while treating with prazi pro right? I've only every used it in my QT.

03/21/2012, 07:34 PM	#2179
Mike S Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 109	Thanks Jason yes I do use biopelets so I will just open it up as you suggested. Its a new skimmer and is just breaking in so I'll need to keep an eye on it over the next few days. The tank is treated. I should treat the tank once a week for a total of about 3 treatments right?

03/21/2012, 07:39 PM	#2181
Mike S Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 109	You guys aren't kidding about the microbubbles lol. The bipartitus could care less but is really making my carpenter flash.

03/27/2012, 08:05 PM	#2183
Mike S Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 109	Knock on wood it has been just about a week and my bipartitus is doing good. He's eating pe and hikari mysis and rods frozen between picking at my rocks. Hasn't taken any flakes yet but has nibbled at hikari freeze dried brine. He's also starting to get up earlier each day. Just did a second treatment of prazi tonight.

03/30/2012, 12:56 AM	#2185
gemini aquarius(t) Always Learning Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 4,486	Bought a Macropharyngodon negrosensis from my LFS today, but decided to leave him in the store for a day or two to calm down from all the shipping/acclimation/handling stressors. My question is thinking into the future. Is it possible to keep a leopard wrasse (or a few) healthy and thriving off of cyclopeeze, PE mysis, and flakes/pellets? I know they pick on copepods almost constantly, but should I worry about them depleting the pod populations? __________________ -Xavier 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers Current Tank Info: 180 Mixed Reef: 3x250watt MH, Mag 9.5, 2x Tunze 6025, 2x Koralia 4, 2x Skimmers

03/30/2012, 06:47 AM	#2186
iamwrasseman Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: syracuse Posts: 6,976	certainly it it ,the only "trick" is to feed them often enough . i feed mine six to eight times a day with no problems . yes i do a 25% waterchange every week and have no nitrates . mine only get cyclopeeze,PE and nutrimar ova which is prawn eggs and very small ,kind of like fish crack as they cannot resist it __________________ This hobby certainly can put you in some weird positions ! Dave Current Tank Info: 40 freshwater,25saltwater 2000 gallons ,enough tanks for an army ? Last edited by iamwrasseman; 03/30/2012 at 06:49 AM. Reason: because

03/30/2012, 08:23 PM	#2188
iamwrasseman Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: syracuse Posts: 6,976	thats it in a nutshell ! __________________ This hobby certainly can put you in some weird positions ! Dave Current Tank Info: 40 freshwater,25saltwater 2000 gallons ,enough tanks for an army ?

03/31/2012, 05:15 AM	#2190
Paramecium One man wolf pack. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Beach, Ca Posts: 726	When I got my Potter's I left him at the store for a month to hang out in the copper treated tanks. Brought it home and give it about a two hour acclimation. It was eating frozen mysis right off the bat and after about a week of throwing some pellets in with the frozen it started eating them. Now he fights for pellets with the rest of the fish, only feed once a day and he is fat and happy. I know that they can be tricky fish but if you wait for a good healthy specimen your chances of them surviving go up exponentially. __________________ ~Danny Current tank info: 70 Gal Oceanic Tech Tank. Softies and lps. Just running t5's on my outer orbit, super simple and super easy.

03/31/2012, 05:37 AM	#2191
iamwrasseman Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: syracuse Posts: 6,976	so cal dude , in no way am i doubting you but mine are fed six to eight times a day and still all they do is pick on the rock work in the hopes of finding pods . i have always found this to be true but you may have some that don't have that ultra high metabolism as most do . Paramecium , you should tell your LFS that most of the time they will be killing their wrasses with a copper treatment as wrasses do not tolerate copper very well at all.the leopards are especially effected by copper in a negative way as they are extremely sensitive to it and rarely make it through a copper treatment __________________ This hobby certainly can put you in some weird positions ! Dave Current Tank Info: 40 freshwater,25saltwater 2000 gallons ,enough tanks for an army ?

03/31/2012, 08:45 AM	#2192
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Mine eats constantly all day including feeding 6x. Feed pellets on a timer 4 times a day then feed a cube of frozen when I get home and another cube a couple hours later. I still see them picking at the rocks and the corners. BTW, it's done the Kuiter's is in the main display... She's an early riser and got her in before the rooster got up. Hope all goes well when he gets up. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

03/31/2012, 09:47 AM	#2193
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Potter's has been out for a while now and looks like they are not only are doing OK but seem to actually like each other. They have been swimming around with each other like the Potter's is showing the new girl around town. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/01/2012, 12:07 PM	#2194
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Kuiter's and Potter's are doing absolutely great together but the Potter's has decided he now HATES the smaller bipart that I have left. Just can't win and seems like the Potter's will have nothing to do with more then one other Leopard in the tank. I'm going to just try and remove the bipart and see my LFS will trade in. Sucks I had to get an aggressive one. Don't know if all Porter's are like this or just this one. He is growing really well and looks awesome so decided to keep him and just the Kuiter's. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/01/2012, 09:14 PM	#2195
Postal Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL Posts: 1,929	You can add me to the list of addicts. I have a pair of negrosensis and a female meleagris sharing a tank with my orange-spotted filefish. And next weekend I am picking up another female meleagris along with a female bipartitus from a fellow reefer who is moving cross country and needs to find homes for his livestock. The new meleagris will go with my current one in hopes of getting one to change to male. The bipartitus will go in another tank and hopefully have a girlfriend or two added eventually. Here's a trio you probably don't see very often.

04/02/2012, 10:40 AM	#2196
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Very nice looking Postal. I would love to get a negrosensis but seems like my Potter's wont allow more then one other leopard in my tank. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/02/2012, 09:17 PM	#2197
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Patience pays sometimes. Decided to give it at least a couple days and see what happens today since the bipartitus was scared into the sand pretty quickly yesterday. Watching today the Potter's, Kuiter's, and bipart were all out and swimming around. The Kuiter's and Potter's almost seem like mates the way they have been swimming around together. The Bipart is still a bit skittish and every so often the Potter's darts after her but it's not a constant charging like he did with the larger bipart I had and like he was yesterday. Hope it settles down some more but it's a better sign then it looked yesterday. I still would be scared to add anymore like I would like to but just don't want to chance it anymore. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/03/2012, 06:41 PM	#2198
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Looks like there is some what of a peace agreement. The Potter's and Kuiter's still swimming around all over the tank like mates. But it looks like the bipart is only hanging around the right half of the tank and is not venturing over to the left side at all. There is still the quick dashes every so often from both the Kuiter's and the Potters. They are quick and over with when it happens and seems like just their way of showing their dominance. It will be interesting to see if the bipart will continue to keep turning male. The face is greener and has been slighting changing since I got him. Maybe one of those natural born males? __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/04/2012, 09:30 AM	#2199
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,900	Here's a video I took last night. It finally uploaded and processed. The Kuiter's is still camera shy but you can see her come out of hiding to warn the bipart to stay on his side of the tank. Then the Potter's goes over and flashes him and does a short little dash to say I'm the rooster of the tank. This is much better then the I'm going to kill you mad chasing that was happening. Excuse the algae out break as my pukani dry rock is in the process of leaching PO4. It's already starting to die off. HD video link: http://youtu.be/QyNO5p8eHtM?hd=1 __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g w/ 150lbs of rock and beananimal's drain to a dolomite RRUGF. 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/04/2012, 06:43 PM	#2200
aandfsoccr04 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 2,920	Can't view your video. It says it's private and the owner must grant me access. __________________ 120 gallon mixed reef