tissue burning on sps tips

[stormclipper]

my system is 100 gallon total
parameters

alk 8.3
cal ?
mag ?
salinity 35
po4 0.00 hanna
no3 0.00 salifert not sure the accuracy of this test.

using red sea coral pro for salt

i've been dosing nopox for three weeks

week one 8mls
week 2 4mls then reduced to 2ml
week three 1ml
today stopped

at the start my po4 was at 0.10
no3 2pp i was also using rowa from the start and haven't replaced the media and still have it going as i will remove it completly as it exhausts>

positives

my cyano disappeared
the tank is crystal clear
the glass stays clean with out cleaning it daily'
the skimmers are pulling more and more

negitives

hair algae growing on the rocks and the dead stops on sps
today i noticed a couple corals turning brown
and my large acro has burning on tips

i've been feeding heavy for the past week
polyp lab amino acids
polyp lab reef food and vitamins
polyp lag reef roids
and pyto plankton

i will purchase reef energy as soon as i finish these purducts.

my tank always struggled with po4 nitrates where never a major issue i've realized that i feed fish alot and the water coming from the house had high p04 coming through and if my filters where exhausted that it would be sending the r/o water in with po4. i am on top of that and decided to with red sea program using nopox

what should i do to stop the tissue ression? let the nutrients build up again?
reduce alk?
feed more?
less light?
why are my acros turning brown with very little nutrient in the system?
where is the hair algae coming from?

i was hoping someone from red sea could help?

[RedSea Aviad]

Hi,
In order to give you a complete answer I need more information.
Who often do you do a the water change, how much each time?
What are the Ca and Mg levels?
In order to eradicate the GHA you need to keep using NOPOX with a dose that causes the GHA to reduce.
(8-12ml a day)
Once the nutrients are at 0 ppm you need to feed the corals heavily, as you did, in order to compensate the lack of Zoox nutrients.
With Reef Energy the dose is 16ml a day under similar conditions.

There are two issues we need to attend to:
Burnt tips- I guess due to Alk swings, your Alk is at 8.3dKH, while Coral Pro’s Alk @ 35ppt is around 12.5dKh.
Browning of corals and GHA- indicate excess nutrients (NO3 and PO4), the 0ppm readings might indicate that the GHA is using all of it.
If everything would have happened as expected you would have seen coral losing color rather than browning, and GHA reduction.
I guess you fed too much.
Keep me posted and I’ll try to help you balance your tank.

Have a great week,
Aviad

[stormclipper]

Thank you for the response

Tested cal 450ppm
Tested mag 1300ppm

I change aprox 10-15 gallons a week with a salinity of 35

My mushrooms show signs of low nutrient as they are pale but slowly getter back color

I've changed over salt approx one month ago

Should I keep dosing nopox at 8mls a day even with low nutrients in the tank by nopox and algae?

Should I change salt?

Should I go ahead and feed the. Reef energy?

Please advise.

[RedSea Aviad]

Hi,
Your nutrients are low due to algae growth.
The point of keeping high NOPOX dose is to compete with the algae over the nutrients, after the algae vanishes you can reduce the dose and bring your nutrients to the desired levels.

Bring the alkalinity up to around 12 dKH and Mg to 1400ppm, if you’re aiming for growth, or bring the Ca down to 420ppm if you’re aiming for coloration.

Keep using the salt.

I can only relay to Reef Energy doses since I’m not familiar with the rest of the foods.

What do you supplement?
(try to include all the supplements maybe there is something I’m missing that might cause bleaching)
Did you test Iodine?

Please consider reading this, it would provide you more information about the RCP:
http://redseafish.com/uploadimages/9...A2011%204W.pdf

Let me know.

All the best,
Aviad

[stormclipper]

I noticed that my salinity was a bit high at 37

I dosed just food supplements for my corals doubled the amount of food today

I dosed iodide

Other than that I have a calcium reactor dosing keeping my alk stable

I corrected my salinity at 34

I'm seeing more tissue burning on some of the corals

I'm dosing 1ml of nopox algae seems to decreasing daily I want to keep my system at low nutrient as red sea advises but want to get my system under control without loss at that point move slowly to accelerated growth

[RedSea Aviad]

Hi,
Now the picture is getting clearer....
Test for Iodine!
What’s the product’s concentration and how much do you add?
Let me know.
Aviad

[stormclipper]

i added 20ml of iodide

im using kent it doesn't specify the quantity of iodide on the label just one teaspoon per 50 gallons

i purchased reef energy a and B I dosed 16 mls of each today

my sps tips and burned on one coral seems no more progress on the burning wich is good but the coral that turned brown the it started tn from the base from what i read its lack of food but is mind boggling cause it turned brown?

so can i move to accelerated growth when dosing reef energy safely without making more problems im still dosing nopox at 2mls per day and bump up my parameters?

what should i do?

[RedSea Aviad]

Hi,
There is a difference between 50 gal heavily stoked with SPS\LPS\Softies and a low density tank...
How can one dose fit all?
Please test your Iodine levels.
*before starting with the program balance your tank and get rid of the nuisance algae.

As for coral browning, usually it’s due to Zooxanthellae(Zoox) proliferation caused by sufficient algae nutrients. (mostly NO3 and PO4)
In Accelerated Growth “mode” that’s what we are aiming for.
Corals get 80-90% of their nutrition from the Zoox, having a healthy population of Zoox, will give the coral the extra energy required for growth, but on the other hand can give the coral c brownish greenish tint.
Keeping the water parameters balanced in line is the most important thing.
If you want to accelerate growth, the water parameters should be:

Algae nutrient levels of 1 – 2 ppm nitrate and 0.1 ppm phosphate; to maintain a relatively high
population of Zooxanthellae that will provide enough energy to the corals for growth.
• Boosted and balanced levels of the Foundation Elements [Alkalinity 12.6dKH / 4.5meq/L, Ca 465ppm, Mg 1390ppm] to properly utilize all of the extra energy.
• Availability of the minor and trace elements (Coral Colors) taken up by the corals during growth [I2 0.06ppm, K 410ppm, Fe 0.15ppm]
• Sufficient coral nutrients (Reef Energy) to supplement the energy supplied by the Zooxanthellae [2ml of Reef Energy A & B per 100Liter/25gal]

For more information please read this PDF:
http://www.redseafish.com/uploadimag...A2011%204W.pdf

Have a great weekend,
Aviad

[stormclipper]

Hi Aviad

here is my update

lost one of my sps to RTN
All other corals stopped STN and are showing signs of growth again and polyp extension

still haven"t tested for iodine but dosing 5mls weekly along with a higher water change at 20 gallons a week

decided to go with accelerated growth since im using coral pro salt


my parameters are slowly moving up to red sea parameters

alk 150-160 ppm
calcium 450
magnesium 1350

dosing nopox at 1ml a day
po4 0.11
no3 3ppm

increased nopox to 2mls a day- trying to get the balance???

the GHL is growing slowler than before but its still there

what amount do you think I should be dosing with the nopox?

Also dosing 12mls of reef energy A&B every other day because im noticing brown type diatom looking algae on top of the GHL

Another note keeping nopox at 1ml a day gave my system a chance to recoup a bit before stripping all of the zoox nutrients

Am I on the right path here?

[RedSea Aviad]

Hello,
My apologies for the late response, I was on the roads in the last few week.

Not testing is one thing, but not testing and supplementing….
Bring your Alk. to at least 4.2mEq\l, 11.8dKH which is around 200ppm if I’m not mistaken.

With 100gal of water 2ml NOPOX a day is an under-dose, you can go up to 5ml a day and work your way up if needed.
Energy A&B- drop to 4ml a day each until the NO3 drops to 1ppm and then double it.
You are not going to strip your system from nutrients you need a healthy dense population of Zoox in order to provide energy for the coral growth.
Please read about it here:
http://redseafish.com/uploadimages/9...A2011%204W.pdf

Good luck with your project, take some before pictures…

All the best,
Aviad

[stormclipper]

thanks for the response

here' is my latest

nitrate 2-3ppm salifert
po4 0.08 hanna

hair algae growing at a very fast pace and and all live rocks covered with brown algae.

stoped dosing reef energy daily
cleaned all live rock with tooth brush and blew off as much of the rock debris with a power head

some new sps showing signs of stress burning tips and tissue narcosissome sps seem to be accelerating

still trying to get the parameters up to accelerated growth "making my way there

increased water change with red sea coral pro to 30gallons per week

what do you think is going on with the hair algae?

should I keep nopox at 8ml daily to compete with hair algae cause it seems like the hair algae is consumping the nopox? is that possible? are my nutrient levels depleting cause of the algae?

please advise

[stormclipper]

seem to getting a brown hair like diatom bloom on the rocks also
sand seems to getting the same bloom greenish brown film growing everywhere

what could this be?

dosing 8mls of nopox daily could the nopox be fueling this stuff?

is the the bacterial flocks from the nopox?

please advise?

[stormclipper]

added without testing iodide for kent marine 20ml
on monday

finally got a red sea iodide test kit and tested thursday my system is 0.03ppm shocking!

i put the iodide on the dosing pump at 1ml a day and will be testing regularly and try to get it at 0.06ppm

what happens when iodide is too low? stn?

[RedSea Aviad]

Hello,
The most important thing is to stabilize your tank.
One all your parameters would be in line you should succeed.
Keep dosing NOPOX to compete with the GHA.
There are a few threads here we dealt with exactly what your describing and prevailed.
Run a search.

All the best,

Aviad