Question about Mardel Copper...

OTOWN78 · 05/14/2012, 10:19 PM

Im pretty sure this is ICH.. I have a 16 Gallon BowFront QT tank. Question how often do you dose with the Mardel Copper. 5ML per 4 Gallons is all it says on the Bottle..

Yes, he's a little ****ed off in the picture... Hes been like this for awhile, it comes and goes.. And hes been hanging around the Fireshrimp like its a drive thru.

MrTuskfish · 05/15/2012, 08:37 AM

I'm 99% sure this is ich. You need a copper test kit that is compatible with the brand of copper you are using. There are no specific guidelines for how often to dose, Cu just has to be kept at the proper level. Also, unless the fish is really distressed, get him eating in the QT before GRADUALLY( over several days) adding Cu. Expect ammonia to be a problem, unless you have a seeded filter sponge ready. I'd read the sticky on tank transfer before you decide on copper, I'm convinced that its the best way to treat ich. Especially just one fish in a fairly small QT/HT. BTW, was this fish ever in your DT or with other fish you have? If so, they need to be treated as well.

OTOWN78 · 05/15/2012, 12:30 PM

Interesting, I am researching the tank transfer.. The only thing is, these spots on him look to be under the skin, kind of hard to explain.

MrTuskfish · 05/16/2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OTOWN78

Interesting, I am researching the tank transfer.. The only thing is, these spots on him look to be under the skin, kind of hard to explain.

The spots aren't the actual parasite; they are scar tissue, parasite secretions, or whatever---depending on the source. The spots generally are beneath the skin, but emerge at the surface. The actual parasite is buried well out of sight. This is why dips and other treatments can't kill the ich while its in the fish and why a fish can still be loaded with ich and still be ''spot-free".

Chicago · 06/16/2012, 01:46 PM

What is prow copper level.

Chicago · 06/16/2012, 01:49 PM

Spelling mistake. Sorry. Proper copper level.?

snorvich · 06/16/2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago

Spelling mistake. Sorry. Proper copper level.?

Depends on the brand of copper.

smaug1 · 06/16/2012, 02:00 PM

Ditch the coppersafe and go with cupramine,it is a much better cu treatment and does not take near as much to reach proper levels,get the seachem cu test kit to have the correct one. Avoid the api cu kit as it is faulty and misleading. I have used this in the past but do not know the numbers to keep right now.

snorvich · 06/16/2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smaug1

Ditch the coppersafe and go with cupramine,it is a much better cu treatment and does not take near as much to reach proper levels,get the seachem cu test kit to have the correct one. Avoid the api cu kit as it is faulty and misleading. I have used this in the past but do not know the numbers to keep right now.

Good advice.

Chicago · 06/16/2012, 05:21 PM

Thanks. I was using both of these products. API and copper safe

05/15/2012, 08:37 AM	#2
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 7,292	I'm 99% sure this is ich. You need a copper test kit that is compatible with the brand of copper you are using. There are no specific guidelines for how often to dose, Cu just has to be kept at the proper level. Also, unless the fish is really distressed, get him eating in the QT before GRADUALLY( over several days) adding Cu. Expect ammonia to be a problem, unless you have a seeded filter sponge ready. I'd read the sticky on tank transfer before you decide on copper, I'm convinced that its the best way to treat ich. Especially just one fish in a fairly small QT/HT. BTW, was this fish ever in your DT or with other fish you have? If so, they need to be treated as well. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. "Extremism in the pursuit of ich-free tanks is no vice".........with apologies to Barry Goldwater, 1964 Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

05/15/2012, 12:30 PM	#3
OTOWN78 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 58	Interesting, I am researching the tank transfer.. The only thing is, these spots on him look to be under the skin, kind of hard to explain. __________________ 75gal Reef Aquarium, Sump, Skimmer, Deep Blue T5 Lighting. Plans are in place to replace the divider wall between the Dinning Room and Kitchen with a 300 gallon aquarium. (Just dont tell the wife!)

06/16/2012, 01:46 PM	#5
Chicago Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: earth Posts: 2,526	What is prow copper level. __________________ "If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" ..famous poet.. Current Tank Info: 500 gal starphire, reef sps dominated, 40 plus fish, 300 gallon sump in basement below, reeftek calcium reactor, reeftek kalkwasser reactor, lifeguard fluidized filter for rowaphose, 4 400MH 10k xm, 2 160 vho super attinic, DYI 50 gallon denitrator

06/16/2012, 01:49 PM	#6
Chicago Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: earth Posts: 2,526	Spelling mistake. Sorry. Proper copper level.? __________________ "If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" ..famous poet.. Current Tank Info: 500 gal starphire, reef sps dominated, 40 plus fish, 300 gallon sump in basement below, reeftek calcium reactor, reeftek kalkwasser reactor, lifeguard fluidized filter for rowaphose, 4 400MH 10k xm, 2 160 vho super attinic, DYI 50 gallon denitrator

06/16/2012, 05:21 PM	#10
Chicago Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: earth Posts: 2,526	Thanks. I was using both of these products. API and copper safe __________________ "If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" ..famous poet.. Current Tank Info: 500 gal starphire, reef sps dominated, 40 plus fish, 300 gallon sump in basement below, reeftek calcium reactor, reeftek kalkwasser reactor, lifeguard fluidized filter for rowaphose, 4 400MH 10k xm, 2 160 vho super attinic, DYI 50 gallon denitrator

06/16/2012, 02:00 PM	#8
smaug1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: usa Posts: 217	Ditch the coppersafe and go with cupramine,it is a much better cu treatment and does not take near as much to reach proper levels,get the seachem cu test kit to have the correct one. Avoid the api cu kit as it is faulty and misleading. I have used this in the past but do not know the numbers to keep right now.