Anthia in a 40 Breeder?

Charley Diesing · 06/09/2012, 11:51 PM

Are there any anthias suitable for a 40 breeder?

Also how do they react to Ich?

LobsterOfJustice · 06/10/2012, 08:13 AM

The only type I would even consider would be the sunburst because they are not as active swimmers as the others. However, apparently they can get up to 5" which would not be appropriate. I've always seen them in the 1-2" range though.

MrTuskfish · 06/10/2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LobsterOfJustice

The only type I would even consider would be the sunburst because they are not as active swimmers as the others. However, apparently they can get up to 5" which would not be appropriate. I've always seen them in the 1-2" range though.

+1 Some hardier anthis may LIVE in a small tank; but never thrive. They really need the swimming space.
On the ich question: Like all fish, if they are exposed to ich, they will probably get it. If they aren't, they can't. Some fish may take longer to catch ich; but no fish has permanent immunity. I've seen and cured lots of anthias with it. BTW, ich is just one of many reasons to always use a QT. Ich is usually quite easy to cure there.

LobsterOfJustice · 06/10/2012, 10:53 AM

I lost several anthias when I hypo'd them treating a tank with ich (out of ~20 fish the only other fish I lost was a hogfish). I dont know if it was the salinity itself, the drop in pH, or if a little ammonia popped up that they were more sensitive to, but I won't be hypoing anthias again. I've treated them with copper just fine before.

bellis31 · 06/10/2012, 10:58 AM

I have a Resplendent Anthias in my 40breeder hes the perfect size, he hangs out with my Blenny. I agree most other Anthias just wont work in a smaller tank, the Resplendent Anthias is smaller and seems to be a perfect fit.

I checked with Snorvich before I bought him, I didnt want to put a fish in the tank that was gonna be stressed or unhappy.

Charley Diesing · 06/10/2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTuskfish

+1 Some hardier anthis may LIVE in a small tank; but never thrive. They really need the swimming space.
On the ich question: Like all fish, if they are exposed to ich, they will probably get it. If they aren't, they can't. Some fish may take longer to catch ich; but no fish has permanent immunity. I've seen and cured lots of anthias with it. BTW, ich is just one of many reasons to always use a QT. Ich is usually quite easy to cure there.

LOL! I didnt mean to say Ich. I meant to say Copper. I dont like doing hypo... I find it annoying... How do they react to copper?

My bad guys,

thanks a lot!

Charley

Zoasman · 06/10/2012, 04:20 PM

Anthis love to jump. Make sure your tank is covered.

Charley Diesing · 06/10/2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoasman

Anthis love to jump. Make sure your tank is covered.

It is... Double covered. Canopy + screen lol...

burnah · 06/11/2012, 06:45 AM

i did it, had 3 lyretail in a 50g tank. they have somekind of hacking order within their species, the largest hits on all smaller ones, the second largest on all smaller ones, etc. so the smallest always gets it all. first one to die. the others were hard to keep up because they need food 5 times a day, hard to do in a tank this small (filtration).

MrTuskfish · 06/11/2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Charley Diesing

LOL! I didnt mean to say Ich. I meant to say Copper. I dont like doing hypo... I find it annoying... How do they react to copper?

My bad guys,

thanks a lot!

Charley

IME&IMO, they are fine with copper. I always use cupramine, raise level slowly, keep at .35-.40ppm, and get them feeding before treating. This level and time-frame are a bit different than the bottle instructions; but SeaChem (maker of Cupramine) tech support seems to approve

Charley Diesing · 06/11/2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrTuskfish

IME&IMO, they are fine with copper. I always use cupramine, raise level slowly, keep at .35-.40ppm, and get them feeding before treating. This level and time-frame are a bit different than the bottle instructions; but SeaChem (maker of Cupramine) tech support seems to approve

right on I use cupermine too... First time I used it I went from .0 to .5 in the first day like the bottle instructs... Killed my wrasse, and my Neon Goby... Kinda sucked, but live and learn I guess.

gweston · 06/11/2012, 11:30 AM

A dwarf angel or a small(er) wrasse such as a carpenter's flasher seem to be good for a 40b.

Like others say, Anthias need some room, but I'd think you'd be fine with a single or a pair in a 40b. Especially if you have a bunch of swimming room and aren't too stocked. I'd choose a smaller and hardier species.

As mentioned by Burnah, some species are planktonic feeders, and some suggest feeding numerous times a day. There are other 'hardier' species that are fine feeding twice per day and will more readily take foods such as mysis or small pellets.

I will be putting a male and 3 female Bartlett Anthias into my 125 long tank soon. Most likely my next addition. I am on the lookout for them at my LFS.

06/09/2012, 11:51 PM	#1
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06/10/2012, 08:13 AM	#2
LobsterOfJustice Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 6,329	The only type I would even consider would be the sunburst because they are not as active swimmers as the others. However, apparently they can get up to 5" which would not be appropriate. I've always seen them in the 1-2" range though. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. Current Tank Info: 29g & 90g reefs

06/10/2012, 10:53 AM	#4
LobsterOfJustice Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 6,329	I lost several anthias when I hypo'd them treating a tank with ich (out of ~20 fish the only other fish I lost was a hogfish). I dont know if it was the salinity itself, the drop in pH, or if a little ammonia popped up that they were more sensitive to, but I won't be hypoing anthias again. I've treated them with copper just fine before. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. Current Tank Info: 29g & 90g reefs

06/10/2012, 10:58 AM	#5
bellis31 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 747	I have a Resplendent Anthias in my 40breeder hes the perfect size, he hangs out with my Blenny. I agree most other Anthias just wont work in a smaller tank, the Resplendent Anthias is smaller and seems to be a perfect fit. I checked with Snorvich before I bought him, I didnt want to put a fish in the tank that was gonna be stressed or unhappy. __________________ 40g Breeder + 29g Sump GH 700 Overflow and Return + SC-150 Skimmer Eheim 1260 Return Pump + 2 Vortech MP10es 36inch 6 Bulb TEK Elite T5 Lighting + Apex Jr Controller

06/11/2012, 11:30 AM	#12
gweston Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Gardner, MA Posts: 961	A dwarf angel or a small(er) wrasse such as a carpenter's flasher seem to be good for a 40b. Like others say, Anthias need some room, but I'd think you'd be fine with a single or a pair in a 40b. Especially if you have a bunch of swimming room and aren't too stocked. I'd choose a smaller and hardier species. As mentioned by Burnah, some species are planktonic feeders, and some suggest feeding numerous times a day. There are other 'hardier' species that are fine feeding twice per day and will more readily take foods such as mysis or small pellets. I will be putting a male and 3 female Bartlett Anthias into my 125 long tank soon. Most likely my next addition. I am on the lookout for them at my LFS. __________________ 245 gals*: <Displays>: 125g 6' + 40breeder <Sump>: 80g combined (60g sump+20g fuge) <May2012-Present> RETIRED - 29g, 80+# LR, 2" SB ~15g sump <Jan2010-May2012>

06/10/2012, 04:20 PM	#7
Zoasman Moved On Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 210	Anthis love to jump. Make sure your tank is covered.

06/11/2012, 06:45 AM	#9
burnah Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: eisenstadt - austria Posts: 583	i did it, had 3 lyretail in a 50g tank. they have somekind of hacking order within their species, the largest hits on all smaller ones, the second largest on all smaller ones, etc. so the smallest always gets it all. first one to die. the others were hard to keep up because they need food 5 times a day, hard to do in a tank this small (filtration).