white film and holes in fin

warlord239 · 07/23/2012, 09:53 PM

My coral beauty who was supposedly qt before being sold to me now all of a sudden has what likes like dead skin peeling or sort of like he was rolled in powder and has little holes in his back fin, i tried to get a picture but the holes are small and the white on the skin doesn't show up...anyone have any ideas

Ammonia and nitrite 0 nitrate around 5 ppm .sg is 1.025

This all started 3 days ago after i added a zoa colony with mushrooms on it

warlord239 · 07/23/2012, 10:13 PM

The more I'm researching and seeing the other symptoms it looks like velvet, is there anything i can do to avoid leaving my tank fallow for 8 weeks? I'm setting up hospital tank now. And i can't dose copper either btw

snorvich · 07/24/2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by warlord239

The more I'm researching and seeing the other symptoms it looks like velvet, is there anything i can do to avoid leaving my tank fallow for 8 weeks? I'm setting up hospital tank now. And i can't dose copper either btw

Velvet is very serious stuff. While ich fallow period is 9 weeks, velvet fallow period is less: 6 weeks. If YOU did not quarantine it for parasites, it was not quarantined.

MrTuskfish · 07/24/2012, 08:02 AM

Sounds like velvet to me too. Assuming it is: ALL of your fish must be treated with copper in a HT ASAP. There is no way to treat velvet in your DT and all the fish have been exposed. Never let a LFS quarantine fish for you, that's your job. Velvet can really hide in fish that are "quarantined' with a low level of copper.

warlord239 · 07/24/2012, 08:26 AM

I'm not trusting the lfs anymore and deffinatly qting my fish myself from now on...today his color looks dull and back fin is half gone. Does velvet do that? All the stuff i read about it doesn't say anything about rotting fins away

Could it be HLLE? My clown that was in the same tank isn't showing any symptoms of anything

MrTuskfish · 07/24/2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by warlord239

I'm not trusting the las anymore and defiantly qting my fish myself from now on...today his color looks dull and back fin is half gone. Does velvet do that? All the stuff i read about it doesn't say anything about rotting fins away

I believe velvet can destroy fins and other tissue. The main symptom of velvet is a sheen or velvety coating to parts, or most, of the fish. When a fish has velvet, its obviously very sick. lethargic, poor (if any) appetite, hangs around water flow, etc. If this is velvet, other fish should be showing signs soon, if not...it could be something else. There are lots of diseases that really get after the fins, most are very hard to diagnose online. But the dead skin and powder you describe sure sound like velvet; or even brooklynella----just as nasty & contagious as velvet. A pic would really help.

warlord239 · 07/24/2012, 08:54 AM

I keep trying to get a pic but i can't get one that you can see anything, the only other fish that was with angel was the clown, the angel is obviously sick and acting it. The clown is just hanging out in little cave in the rock work and then at night swims up to the corner of the tank for the whole night like he's done since the day i got him

MrTuskfish · 07/24/2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by warlord239

I keep trying to get a pic but i can't get one that you can see anything, the only other fish that was with angel was the clown, the angel is obviously sick and acting it. The clown is just hanging out in little cave in the rock work and then at night swims up to the corner of the tank for the whole night like he's done since the day i got him

How long have you had the clown? Clowns, especially wild caught, are the main carriers of brooklynella.

warlord239 · 07/24/2012, 09:19 AM

Since July 10th

warlord239 · 07/24/2012, 09:22 AM

I've learned my lesson of using a qt for sure...can't believe i made such a stupid mistake

Now that I'm reading about brook it sounds li.ke that a little more than velvet...how long is the fallow period for brooklynella?

warlord239 · 07/24/2012, 12:35 PM

Would it be normail for the clown to show no signs of it while the angel does?

snorvich · 07/24/2012, 01:15 PM

Just for the record, using an LFS to "quarantine" is about the worst thing you can do. Fish systems share water which means that every fish in the system can provide parasites to your "quarantined" fish. Hard to say if you have brook or velvet, but in any case the tank now has it and it must remain fallow.

warlord239 · 07/24/2012, 03:11 PM

Yea i know that how long should remain fallow, can the corals stay in or should intake them out 2?

MrTuskfish · 07/25/2012, 09:34 AM

Brooklynella is gone after 6 weeks; but you could easily have some ich too. I'd go 9 weeks. Corals and other inverts can stay in the DT.
The fish (symptoms or not) need to be treated in the QT too. if you're sure this is brook, formalin is the only cure I'd use.

warlord239 · 07/25/2012, 10:14 AM

im not sure what it is...the angel died this morning, is it possible that the clown is a carrier of brook and wont show any symptoms because i havent treated for anything and the clown is still fine

MrTuskfish · 07/25/2012, 01:10 PM

The way you describe the Clown in post #7 doesn't sound like normal clown behavior---unless something is harassing him. Fish can carry parasites into a rank while they remain unaffected; at least aren't showing visible signs. There just isn't enough info for me to do much more than guess what's going on. But my gut feeling is brooklynella. Any other fish in the tank/symptoms?

warlord239 · 07/25/2012, 02:14 PM

no other fish in the tank just the clown and angel...i think im just goin to treat for brook and in the HT and leave te tank falow for 6-10 weeks just to be sure
the way i describe in post 7 is what he has always done so maybe hes just not showing external signs of brooklynella

07/23/2012, 09:53 PM	#1
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	white film and holes in fin My coral beauty who was supposedly qt before being sold to me now all of a sudden has what likes like dead skin peeling or sort of like he was rolled in powder and has little holes in his back fin, i tried to get a picture but the holes are small and the white on the skin doesn't show up...anyone have any ideas Ammonia and nitrite 0 nitrate around 5 ppm .sg is 1.025 This all started 3 days ago after i added a zoa colony with mushrooms on it

07/24/2012, 08:02 AM	#4
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 7,254	Sounds like velvet to me too. Assuming it is: ALL of your fish must be treated with copper in a HT ASAP. There is no way to treat velvet in your DT and all the fish have been exposed. Never let a LFS quarantine fish for you, that's your job. Velvet can really hide in fish that are "quarantined' with a low level of copper. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. "Extremism in the pursuit of ich-free tanks is no vice".........with apologies to Barry Goldwater, 1964 Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

07/24/2012, 08:26 AM	#5
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	I'm not trusting the lfs anymore and deffinatly qting my fish myself from now on...today his color looks dull and back fin is half gone. Does velvet do that? All the stuff i read about it doesn't say anything about rotting fins away Could it be HLLE? My clown that was in the same tank isn't showing any symptoms of anything Last edited by warlord239; 07/24/2012 at 08:45 AM.

07/24/2012, 09:22 AM	#10
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	I've learned my lesson of using a qt for sure...can't believe i made such a stupid mistake Now that I'm reading about brook it sounds li.ke that a little more than velvet...how long is the fallow period for brooklynella? Last edited by warlord239; 07/24/2012 at 10:08 AM.

07/24/2012, 01:15 PM	#12
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Flatlander Posts: 25,955 Blog Entries: 27	Just for the record, using an LFS to "quarantine" is about the worst thing you can do. Fish systems share water which means that every fish in the system can provide parasites to your "quarantined" fish. Hard to say if you have brook or velvet, but in any case the tank now has it and it must remain fallow. __________________ Warmest regards and best wishes, ~Steve~ It is my policy to not respond to those who ask questions not to learn but to be bellicose. Life is a series of decisions serially executed but collectively judged. "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer than others." - Anthony Calfo

07/23/2012, 10:13 PM	#2
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	The more I'm researching and seeing the other symptoms it looks like velvet, is there anything i can do to avoid leaving my tank fallow for 8 weeks? I'm setting up hospital tank now. And i can't dose copper either btw

07/24/2012, 08:54 AM	#7
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	I keep trying to get a pic but i can't get one that you can see anything, the only other fish that was with angel was the clown, the angel is obviously sick and acting it. The clown is just hanging out in little cave in the rock work and then at night swims up to the corner of the tank for the whole night like he's done since the day i got him

07/24/2012, 09:19 AM	#9
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	Since July 10th

07/24/2012, 12:35 PM	#11
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	Would it be normail for the clown to show no signs of it while the angel does?

07/24/2012, 03:11 PM	#13
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	Yea i know that how long should remain fallow, can the corals stay in or should intake them out 2?

07/25/2012, 09:34 AM	#14
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 7,254	Brooklynella is gone after 6 weeks; but you could easily have some ich too. I'd go 9 weeks. Corals and other inverts can stay in the DT. The fish (symptoms or not) need to be treated in the QT too. if you're sure this is brook, formalin is the only cure I'd use. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. "Extremism in the pursuit of ich-free tanks is no vice".........with apologies to Barry Goldwater, 1964 Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

07/25/2012, 10:14 AM	#15
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	im not sure what it is...the angel died this morning, is it possible that the clown is a carrier of brook and wont show any symptoms because i havent treated for anything and the clown is still fine

07/25/2012, 01:10 PM	#16
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 7,254	The way you describe the Clown in post #7 doesn't sound like normal clown behavior---unless something is harassing him. Fish can carry parasites into a rank while they remain unaffected; at least aren't showing visible signs. There just isn't enough info for me to do much more than guess what's going on. But my gut feeling is brooklynella. Any other fish in the tank/symptoms? __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. "Extremism in the pursuit of ich-free tanks is no vice".........with apologies to Barry Goldwater, 1964 Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

07/25/2012, 02:14 PM	#17
warlord239 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 334	no other fish in the tank just the clown and angel...i think im just goin to treat for brook and in the HT and leave te tank falow for 6-10 weeks just to be sure the way i describe in post 7 is what he has always done so maybe hes just not showing external signs of brooklynella