Dinoflagellates. - Page 72

Billybatz9 · 09/10/2015, 10:28 AM

Green hair algae seems to be out competing the dinoflagellates in my gfs tank. I saw a huge reduction yesterday. Hair algae is all along the sandbed and is starting to grow on rocks. If this works, I will grab the hair algae and grow it in my tank.

karimwassef · 09/10/2015, 11:16 AM

I think UV is pretty basic technology. I think most people don't run UV properly regardless of their cost.

Billybatz9 · 09/11/2015, 07:25 PM

Does anyone have any 10 micron filters they want to sell me

I don't want to buy 25 of them..

cal_stir · 09/11/2015, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

Does anyone have any 10 micron filters they want to sell me

I don't want to buy 25 of them..

What's your location?

Billybatz9 · 09/11/2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cal_stir

what's your location?

33029 florida. You are in canada. A bit far. Lol

Billybatz9 · 09/11/2015, 08:52 PM

When you have dinoflagellates, I know you aren't supposed to do water changes, but does adding calcium supplements defeat the purpose? Or is it okay to add calcium supplements. The two little fishies two part calcium to be exact.

bertoni · 09/11/2015, 09:02 PM

Any supplement will add some trace elements, but dosing calcium and alkalinity should be fine. The volumes are very small compared to the tank volume.

DNA · 09/12/2015, 05:31 AM

DNA made very interesting posts a few days ago on the reason why water changes make dinos bloom.

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Originally Posted by DNA

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The square is still there.

Last year I did jet another of my brilliant tests.
I siphoned off the top layer of sand into a bucket and let it dry out killing loads of dinos.
Some months later I dumped all the sand back into the tank, knowing there were lots of toxins going in with it.
A Royal Gramma and a pair of Mandarins died in the days that followed.
Much of the dino population disappeared as well.

The square test and the dead dino tests are virtually the same.
I'm theorizing that Ostreopsis dinoflagellates can't tolerate their own toxins.
This is the limiting factor on dino densities I've been looking for since day one.
In the ocean dino blooms get much denser than in reef tanks because the vast ocean carries and dilutes the toxins from the dead dinos.

Did we just reach another milestone?

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Originally Posted by DNA

Not convinced yet?

Many of us have seen their dinos bloom right after water changes.
The toxins got dilluted.

The dirty method: Turn off the skimmer and filters and let the toxins build up.
The clean method: Kill the dinos with UV and let the toxins build up.

karimwassef · 09/12/2015, 09:21 AM

DNA - if it's a toxin ppm that limits them, then adding more carbon would drive a dino explosion...

garygonzales · 09/12/2015, 09:46 AM

its funny you should say that ...i recently add more carbon,.then normal...and now have a dino explosion...hmmm.....maybe

karimwassef · 09/12/2015, 11:35 AM

So dinos cultivate their own brand of bacteria that feeds them and they are limited by their own toxins... Two interesting theses.

Adrnalnrsh · 09/12/2015, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by garygonzales

its funny you should say that ...i recently add more carbon,.then normal...and now have a dino explosion...hmmm.....maybe

What kind of carbon?

garygonzales · 09/12/2015, 01:25 PM

its called api activated carbon...

Quiet_Ivy · 09/12/2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybatz9

33029 florida. You are in canada. A bit far. Lol

https://utahbiodieselsupply.com/bagfilters.php has every kind of sock
You will need a pump or powerhead to drive water through the sock. In my tank anything below 100 clogs up hopelessly within an hour or two. I believe Ostreopsis is the smallest dino at 40 microns? Some of them are huge.

Good news re hair algae, although I doubt your gf was impressed with your gift of dinos.

Adding Ca/Mg/Alk probably does help the dinos. But I lost a frogspawn due to alk swings (dinos cause wild alk drop, has anyone else experienced this?) so I'm hesitant to stop. High pH is supposed to be bad for dinos..

Haven't updated because tank's going all to heck. Hoping friend will drop off microscope this weekend.

ivy

Adrnalnrsh · 09/12/2015, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by garygonzales

its called api activated carbon...

He may have been referring to carbon dosing like vodka or biopellets

karimwassef · 09/12/2015, 07:26 PM

carbon dosing accelerates dinos too. Did we ever figure out why that is?

Adrnalnrsh · 09/12/2015, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by karimwassef

carbon dosing accelerates dinos too. Did we ever figure out why that is?

I was running activated carbon too and stopped

garygonzales · 09/12/2015, 09:10 PM

why did you stop activated carbon....

Billybatz9 · 09/12/2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet_Ivy

https://utahbiodieselsupply.com/bagfilters.php has every kind of sock
You will need a pump or powerhead to drive water through the sock. In my tank anything below 100 clogs up hopelessly within an hour or two. I believe Ostreopsis is the smallest dino at 40 microns? Some of them are huge.

Good news re hair algae, although I doubt your gf was impressed with your gift of dinos.

Adding Ca/Mg/Alk probably does help the dinos. But I lost a frogspawn due to alk swings (dinos cause wild alk drop, has anyone else experienced this?) so I'm hesitant to stop. High pH is supposed to be bad for dinos..

Haven't updated because tank's going all to heck. Hoping friend will drop off microscope this weekend.

ivy

Thanks for the info.

bertoni · 09/12/2015, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by karimwassef

carbon dosing accelerates dinos too. Did we ever figure out why that is?

Dinoflagellates are mixotrophic, or at least some are, so they might be feeding directly on the organic carbon, or perhaps on bacteria that are consuming the carbon.

karimwassef · 09/12/2015, 09:49 PM

So in the battle of good bacteria to bad bacteria - carbon just helps the bad guys?

bertoni · 09/12/2015, 11:23 PM

Maybe in some cases.

Billybatz9 · 09/13/2015, 07:23 AM

Update on gfs tank...

Green hair algae won!! I did not perform a water change on her tank for 3 weeks either. Just saying.

I was going to add her green hair algae onto my tank but then discovered she has a few Flatworms in her tank. Not doing that!

This is about 3/4 of the amount of green hair algae in her tank. I had already started cleaning it up.

garygonzales · 09/13/2015, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrnalnrsh

He may have been referring to carbon dosing like vodka or biopellets

o...ok...well i have a soties tank only so thats why i use activated carbon..but was putting more than before ..and got the outbreak....

Billybatz9 · 09/13/2015, 11:19 AM

Here is my Game Plan

- Will be running lights on for 5 hours a day
- Will be dosing hydrogen peroxide for 5 - 7 days at night (3 ml for biocube 29)
- Will only be running filter floss

Here are my questions:
1. Should I do lights out for 3 days when I dose hydrogen peroxide? I did 3 days lights out about a week ago, but the dinos came back.
2. Do I have to take account for the rock work and really only dose like 2ml of hydrogen peroxide?
3. How long should I dose for (how many days)?
4. When should I do water change to get rid of hydrogen peroxide? Or does it become like pure water after a few days and lose its effectiveness?

09/10/2015, 11:16 AM	#1777
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	I think UV is pretty basic technology. I think most people don't run UV properly regardless of their cost. __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/11/2015, 09:02 PM	#1782
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Any supplement will add some trace elements, but dosing calcium and alkalinity should be fine. The volumes are very small compared to the tank volume. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/12/2015, 09:21 AM	#1784
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	DNA - if it's a toxin ppm that limits them, then adding more carbon would drive a dino explosion... __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/12/2015, 11:35 AM	#1786
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	So dinos cultivate their own brand of bacteria that feeds them and they are limited by their own toxins... Two interesting theses. __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/12/2015, 07:26 PM	#1791
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	carbon dosing accelerates dinos too. Did we ever figure out why that is? __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/10/2015, 10:28 AM	#1776
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	Green hair algae seems to be out competing the dinoflagellates in my gfs tank. I saw a huge reduction yesterday. Hair algae is all along the sandbed and is starting to grow on rocks. If this works, I will grab the hair algae and grow it in my tank.

09/11/2015, 07:25 PM	#1778
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	Does anyone have any 10 micron filters they want to sell me I don't want to buy 25 of them..

09/11/2015, 08:52 PM	#1781
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	When you have dinoflagellates, I know you aren't supposed to do water changes, but does adding calcium supplements defeat the purpose? Or is it okay to add calcium supplements. The two little fishies two part calcium to be exact.

09/12/2015, 09:46 AM	#1785
garygonzales Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: WEST ALLIS ,WI Posts: 922	its funny you should say that ...i recently add more carbon,.then normal...and now have a dino explosion...hmmm.....maybe

09/12/2015, 01:25 PM	#1788
garygonzales Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: WEST ALLIS ,WI Posts: 922	its called api activated carbon...

09/12/2015, 09:10 PM	#1793
garygonzales Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: WEST ALLIS ,WI Posts: 922	why did you stop activated carbon....

09/12/2015, 09:49 PM	#1796
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	So in the battle of good bacteria to bad bacteria - carbon just helps the bad guys? __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/12/2015, 11:23 PM	#1797
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Maybe in some cases. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/13/2015, 07:23 AM	#1798
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	Update on gfs tank... Green hair algae won!! I did not perform a water change on her tank for 3 weeks either. Just saying. I was going to add her green hair algae onto my tank but then discovered she has a few Flatworms in her tank. Not doing that! This is about 3/4 of the amount of green hair algae in her tank. I had already started cleaning it up.

09/13/2015, 11:19 AM	#1800
Billybatz9 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 557	Here is my Game Plan - Will be running lights on for 5 hours a day - Will be dosing hydrogen peroxide for 5 - 7 days at night (3 ml for biocube 29) - Will only be running filter floss Here are my questions: 1. Should I do lights out for 3 days when I dose hydrogen peroxide? I did 3 days lights out about a week ago, but the dinos came back. 2. Do I have to take account for the rock work and really only dose like 2ml of hydrogen peroxide? 3. How long should I dose for (how many days)? 4. When should I do water change to get rid of hydrogen peroxide? Or does it become like pure water after a few days and lose its effectiveness?