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Old 09/24/2007, 07:02 PM   #1
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Deltec AP600...any good?

Hey,
I am looking into a skimmer for my 45g. SPS tank and was wondering if any of you guys have this skimmer? I want a skimmer that is totally plug and play... no mesh mods or any of that crap.. just a skimmer that skims decently out of the box.
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Old 09/25/2007, 02:15 PM   #2
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Old 09/25/2007, 02:39 PM   #3
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Look into the DAS EX-1, it is a clone of the APF-600 and costs 250 dollars. So it would actually be a step above the AP-600 and much cheaper.

I use one and love it. It is plug and play.

There is a thread on it here and it has gotten great reviews.


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Old 09/25/2007, 02:49 PM   #4
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the deltecs are newer versions so to speak. DAS are still great skimmers out of the box... but you have to go through pet-o-rama and receive no customer service. Check the deltec forums and you will see how great they treat their customers.

if you're trying to save money, DAS is the way to go. if you dont want any issues and/or headaches, i'd go with deltec.

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Old 09/25/2007, 02:55 PM   #5
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Or H&S... A110 or A150. FWIW, its a dead easy skimmer to have made as well. ORCA (www.protein-skimmer.com) is a cost effective means of doing so.


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Old 09/25/2007, 02:57 PM   #6
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the deltecs are newer versions so to speak. DAS are still great skimmers out of the box... but you have to go through pet-o-rama and receive no customer service. Check the deltec forums and you will see how great they treat their customers.

if you're trying to save money, DAS is the way to go. if you dont want any issues and/or headaches, i'd go with deltec.

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It seems from recent reviews they have resolved many of the previous concerns.

I think stating that someone should expect issues/headaches is not correct.

In fact, just check out the DAS thread, I have not seen a single complaint in a long time, and if so it was not beyond not recieving an e-mail with tracking information or pet-o-rama being out of stock due to the increased demand.

As for "no customer service", Well as I said above, it seems no one has had an issue great enough to even demand seeking it out. And in an old thread in another forum, the one issue I have seen was resolved and the person was sent a new skimmer. It just took a long time, and was before they seemingly improved their standards for shipping etc.. but that is still far beyond "no customer service". Yopu can also get the EX-1 at Orca, and they responed to every question I had etc..

Just my observations as I have watched this skimmer become much more popular. It seems the original concerns I even had have dissapeared, even with many more people using them.

Anyways, I do agree that Deltec has better customer service if needed, but I guess I just think a well made product really should not need it to begin with.... And really in both cases is should not be a huge factor in the decision.



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Old 09/25/2007, 04:05 PM   #7
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Old 09/25/2007, 04:50 PM   #8
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DAS EX1 for sure can you bet this skimmer for $250? NO way!

I ordered my DAS on tuesday from petorama and chose 2 day air it was here thursday!


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Old 09/25/2007, 07:02 PM   #9
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any more opinions?


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Old 09/25/2007, 08:40 PM   #10
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for the money I would go with the EX-1. but if cost is not a prob then go deltec they are very nice skimmers. the H&S are nice too But I like the Deltec but I do have a EX-3 under my tank..lol


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Old 09/26/2007, 02:28 PM   #11
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thanks treny
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Old 09/26/2007, 03:05 PM   #12
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I would go with the DAS ex-1 also.

I would even get the H&S with the single AB2001 before the deltec.


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Old 09/26/2007, 04:02 PM   #13
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I would go with the AP600. I had one for a year running without any issues always pulling out dark crap all the time. The deltec pumps are modified beyond what DAS does to there aquabee pumps. The deltec pumps are matched with the body of there skimmer for top performance. Doug's awesome customer service is top notch from Deltec I highly recommend deltec.

I like to skim wet






Try reading this thread about DAS skimmers.
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/...er-thread.html


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Old 09/26/2007, 06:03 PM   #14
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thanks for that thread!! wow thats alot of skimmate


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Old 09/26/2007, 06:19 PM   #15
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I thought the performance between the das pump and deltec pump were the same, that's what I've read on here multiple times...


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Acutally the club thread here is much better, that manhattanreefs thread is way out of date and has evidence of the only manufacturing defect I have ever seen with DAS skimmers. "DeltecRULES" loves to point it out in every DAS thread

I think he seems to be just a little threatened by the DAS "deltec clones" I wonder why?? lol

Here is the much better thread:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...&highlight=DAS

Oh, and here is my DAS EX-1 in action (skimming wet of course, all one day or less, first pic was only hours If I remember, last pic was around a day or so) I was not scared to use the flash and good lighting either









I never noticed, but comapring the sets of pictures side to side, the DAS even looks BETTER built to me...


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Both the DAS and Deltec pumps pull 500lph of air. If there is a difference, its with the amount of water or the wattage... and its not that much. The only thing I can think of is that the Deltec Aquabees process the same air with less water turbulence... to know for sure, one could compare the VA and wattages from both pumps... the one with a higher wattage/VA is moving more water.

FWIW, I like the DAS because you can mesh/threadwheel mod it and get 700+lph from it easily with even less water turbulence. Now, I dont know about you, but Id rather play around with modding the $100 DAS than the $250 Deltec, esp if my end result is the same.


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Old 09/26/2007, 08:16 PM   #19
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I used to own an AP600. I liked it a lot as a skimmer, but I would never buy another one. Don't get me wrong, it is an excellent skimmer, I just think it is way overpriced, especially for a 45g tank. As you get into the larger tanks 250-500 gallons, the economics of a Deltec make more sense, but for the smaller tanks I think there are skimmers that will perform close to the same for a much much lower price point. Look into the DAS as others have mentioned, Tunze 9010 is a good bet as well, and also some of the Octopus skimmers.


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Old 09/26/2007, 08:47 PM   #20
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"I used to own an AP600. I liked it a lot as a skimmer, but I would never buy another one."

ditto....


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Is the pump and impeller for the Deltec that much more superior? How do they justify the cost difference?


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Old 09/27/2007, 05:11 AM   #22
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Is the pump and impeller for the Deltec that much more superior? How do they justify the cost difference?
I don't think so.. looks about the same. the deltec cuts out the inside of the pump so noone else can use their needle wheel. the NW it self is only trimed alittle more then the H&S and DAS NW. I have seen both run and can't tell the diff beteen the euro reef and the deltec or DAS skimmers. The only thing I like about the deltec is it's plug up and go skimming, not alot of adjusting to do on it.


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Old 09/27/2007, 05:12 AM   #23
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How do they justify the cost difference? [/B][/QUOTE]

It's German!lol


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"How do they justify the cost difference?"

Elf Magic.... they have mini elves that magically change the stock Aquabee pumps to be superior to regular AB pump


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Old 09/27/2007, 09:04 AM   #25
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Guys he was asking about the deltec AP600...It does not use the AB 2001 like the DAS EX-1. It uses the smaller AB 2000.


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