400 Gallon super tank, north of the border! - Page 2

wintercool97 · 10/24/2007, 08:01 PM

Never mind I got it, this is to cool!

conjuay · 11/29/2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MusMusculus
If the "mystery coral" is the one directly behind the tangs head, that looks to be a hydroid. It looks similar to a Eudindrium sp., but Eudindrium is northeast atlantic in distribution from what I can find.

http://www.uwphoto.no/shopexd.asp?id=5110
Pic of Eudendrium rameum.

I received some of that with my rock, but I'm afraid it didn't survive.
I had a couple of yellow/orange nematodes (looked like tiny sea slugs, but very fast) that ate all the polyps. I removed them, but I think I was too late.
I am waiting to see if the coral recovers, but I'm not really optimistic
that it will...

Untamed12 · 11/29/2007, 04:05 PM

Yes, mine was also covered with those nudibranchs and they were very efficient at eating those polyps. I removed them individually using tweezers.

In spite of my efforts, I also eventually lost that particular colony. In my case, it was unable to defend itself from hair algae.

Fortunately, I have many, many other colonies of that are growing quickly.

purebullet417 · 12/02/2007, 02:05 PM

your from was excelnt at siphoning stuff out lol. doesent it creep you out seeing the camra follow you around wile you work lol

mattb71 · 12/02/2007, 02:44 PM

awesome looking tank.

Diatome · 12/03/2007, 10:01 AM

In one of the photos on the original thread you had a small "pod" that hung onto a perch and moved itself around in teh water column (picture was with a better pic of the sea spider). Those were skeleton shrimp, one of my all time favorite hitchikers. Probably fish food now, like mine, but they are interesting.

Untamed12 · 12/03/2007, 03:19 PM

Hey, I have an arm that looks just like that.

In that shot, I've got a siphon running down into the sump, through a filter bag. I pull some hair algae...and the siphon takes it away and traps it in the filter. That way, I can siphon for as long as I want without removing any water.

If you hit the camera icon just above the video, you can capture a still image without capturing the entire screen. Here's an example.

Untamed12 · 12/03/2007, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diatome
In one of the photos on the original thread you had a small "pod" that hung onto a perch and moved itself around in teh water column (picture was with a better pic of the sea spider). Those were skeleton shrimp, one of my all time favorite hitchikers. Probably fish food now, like mine, but they are interesting.

Thanks! I always wondered what those were.

wintercool97 · 12/04/2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Untamed12
Hey, I have an arm that looks just like that.

In that shot, I've got a siphon running down into the sump, through a filter bag. I pull some hair algae...and the siphon takes it away and traps it in the filter. That way, I can siphon for as long as I want without removing any water.

Thank you that's a great tip, wish I would have thought of that before!

Timbor · 12/08/2007, 08:33 AM

Hi there,

Nice looking tank!

I thought that you couldn't take florida aquacultured rock into canada because it usually contains CITES listed corals growing on it.

Did you need special permits to bring it through customs?

Thanks,

Tim

Untamed12 · 12/08/2007, 11:11 PM

No, I didn't have any special permits. I made three separate trips and was always completely honest at the border. I just called it "Aquarium Rock" in order that I avoid getting them all worked up.

Remember.."Live Rock" is a term we use. Its not a term that a border person should be expected to understand.

Timbor · 12/09/2007, 07:57 AM

Interesting, but I guess technically speaking we aren't supposed to be able to bring it across though, since it may contain CITES animals?

That's always been my big hesitation to purchase TBS rock and drive it across.

I guess, however, that we aren't guaranteed to have CITES animals on the rock, so it is the rock that we are importing...

What kinds of questions did the border folk ask you?

Tim

Untamed12 · 12/09/2007, 09:49 AM

They wanted to know how much it was worth so they could collec their taxes. Once inside, the accountants need to know the country of origin (US - so there is no duty), and the "import classification code". We went with "Limestone - crude or roughly trimmed..."

Timbor · 12/09/2007, 11:28 AM

Interesting. I guess it is mined limestone...

Did they need to look in the boxes? If they did, what did they say about the rocks being in water and having stuff growing on them?

Untamed12 · 12/09/2007, 11:34 PM

Not once did they express any interest in looking in the boxes, or even looking AT the boxes. (which were piled right to the roof of the car each time)

That was my experience, anyway. There's no telling how any particular border control person will behave. Maybe I was lucky.

I carried with me as much info as I could on TBS...about the company...about the history of the live rock business...I was prepared to spend hours explaining the entire thing to anyone who wanted to know...but no one was interested.

Timbor · 12/10/2007, 08:47 AM

Interesting...

Well, that gives me some confidence for trying a TBS tank sometime in the future.

Do you know offhand if any other organisms (other than stony corals) that are included with TBS stuff could be listed under CITES? I'm thinking more along the lines of getting a "package" and all the extra stuff that tends to be included with the rock and sand.

figuerres · 12/10/2007, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timbor
Interesting...

Well, that gives me some confidence for trying a TBS tank sometime in the future.

Do you know offhand if any other organisms (other than stony corals) that are included with TBS stuff could be listed under CITES? I'm thinking more along the lines of getting a "package" and all the extra stuff that tends to be included with the rock and sand.

I'd say ask richard, just drop him an email, I am sure he can give you a good heads up on what his rock has that may be on the list.

also ask him about the fact that his rock is "Cultured" not wild, I would think that also makes a diff in how it wuld be viewed.

Timbor · 12/10/2007, 11:41 AM

Yeah,

It should be viewed differently, since it is cultured, as far as I know there is no protocol in place to exempt "cultured" species. If there were, then I assume Richard would be able to ship to Canada no problem. As it stands, one would need all the right permits to ship to Canada, despite the fact that the rock is cultured.

Hence why TBS has decided not to ship internationally.

But hey, I would be all for some sort of exemption for cultured live rock that contains stony corals. The main question though, is how do you police the cultivators? How do you certify whether an unscrupulous dealer has cultivated rock or "borrowed" some from elsewhere in order to increase supply/quality?

Kinda off topic, but good to discuss!

Tim

Untamed12 · 12/10/2007, 06:00 PM

...and yet you can go to any aquarium shop and purchase live rock that has entered the country from all over the place. Is any of this LR aquacultured? I don't think so.

So my conclusion was that the more environmentally responsible product can't officially come into the country, yet it is OK to bring in stuff they rip from the reefs in Vaanuatu or Fiji.

Timbor · 12/10/2007, 06:15 PM

Agreed!

Hopefully in the future they will change the legislation to make the hobby a bit more reef-friendly in this regard.

Untamed12 · 12/30/2007, 12:17 PM

http://brads-aquarium.viewnetcam.com:50000

chriscobb · 12/30/2007, 12:54 PM

Very cool setup!!!!!

figuerres · 12/30/2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timbor
Agreed!

Hopefully in the future they will change the legislation to make the hobby a bit more reef-friendly in this regard.

I guess the hobby needs some "Lobbiests" (sp?)
to talk to the lawmakers and agencies to "educate" them about what many of us want to do and what we want to promote etc...

conjuay · 01/24/2008, 10:05 AM

I spent my entire lunch break trying to find out if that mystery Gorgonian was ever named. I also ended up with one in my TBS rock and believed it hadn't survived.
We left it sit in the tank because it looked so interesting, even though it was "DEAD".

It took two months, but I'm seeing little pink polyps!
It LIVES!!!!

Was anyone able to ID it?

Untamed12 · 01/25/2008, 10:08 AM

Somebody identified that coral on my tank build thread....but as that thread is now 45+ pages long, I can't find the reference!

Mine died back to the rock due to attack by hair algae. It is now regrowing. I expect it might be a few years before it reaches the size it was.

12/02/2007, 02:05 PM	#29
purebullet417 Lepoard Wrase Pro Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: long island ny Posts: 1,510	your from was excelnt at siphoning stuff out lol. doesent it creep you out seeing the camra follow you around wile you work lol __________________ SUNY ALBANY 2013 Current Tank Info: 330 gallon reef

12/08/2007, 08:33 AM	#35
Timbor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 554	Hi there, Nice looking tank! I thought that you couldn't take florida aquacultured rock into canada because it usually contains CITES listed corals growing on it. Did you need special permits to bring it through customs? Thanks, Tim __________________ "I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is; while you're in midair you still hit those brakes... Hey, better try the emergency brake! - J.H." Current Tank Info: None currently

12/09/2007, 07:57 AM	#37
Timbor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 554	Interesting, but I guess technically speaking we aren't supposed to be able to bring it across though, since it may contain CITES animals? That's always been my big hesitation to purchase TBS rock and drive it across. I guess, however, that we aren't guaranteed to have CITES animals on the rock, so it is the rock that we are importing... What kinds of questions did the border folk ask you? Tim __________________ "I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is; while you're in midair you still hit those brakes... Hey, better try the emergency brake! - J.H." Current Tank Info: None currently

12/09/2007, 11:28 AM	#39
Timbor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 554	Interesting. I guess it is mined limestone... Did they need to look in the boxes? If they did, what did they say about the rocks being in water and having stuff growing on them? __________________ "I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is; while you're in midair you still hit those brakes... Hey, better try the emergency brake! - J.H." Current Tank Info: None currently

12/10/2007, 08:47 AM	#41
Timbor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 554	Interesting... Well, that gives me some confidence for trying a TBS tank sometime in the future. Do you know offhand if any other organisms (other than stony corals) that are included with TBS stuff could be listed under CITES? I'm thinking more along the lines of getting a "package" and all the extra stuff that tends to be included with the rock and sand. __________________ "I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is; while you're in midair you still hit those brakes... Hey, better try the emergency brake! - J.H." Current Tank Info: None currently

10/24/2007, 08:01 PM	#26
wintercool97 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 167	Never mind I got it, this is to cool!

11/29/2007, 04:05 PM	#28
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	Yes, mine was also covered with those nudibranchs and they were very efficient at eating those polyps. I removed them individually using tweezers. In spite of my efforts, I also eventually lost that particular colony. In my case, it was unable to defend itself from hair algae. Fortunately, I have many, many other colonies of that are growing quickly.

12/02/2007, 02:44 PM	#30
mattb71 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Peters, MO Posts: 57	awesome looking tank.

12/03/2007, 10:01 AM	#31
Diatome Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 216	In one of the photos on the original thread you had a small "pod" that hung onto a perch and moved itself around in teh water column (picture was with a better pic of the sea spider). Those were skeleton shrimp, one of my all time favorite hitchikers. Probably fish food now, like mine, but they are interesting.

12/03/2007, 03:19 PM	#32
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	Hey, I have an arm that looks just like that. In that shot, I've got a siphon running down into the sump, through a filter bag. I pull some hair algae...and the siphon takes it away and traps it in the filter. That way, I can siphon for as long as I want without removing any water. If you hit the camera icon just above the video, you can capture a still image without capturing the entire screen. Here's an example.

12/08/2007, 11:11 PM	#36
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	No, I didn't have any special permits. I made three separate trips and was always completely honest at the border. I just called it "Aquarium Rock" in order that I avoid getting them all worked up. Remember.."Live Rock" is a term we use. Its not a term that a border person should be expected to understand.

12/09/2007, 09:49 AM	#38
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	They wanted to know how much it was worth so they could collec their taxes. Once inside, the accountants need to know the country of origin (US - so there is no duty), and the "import classification code". We went with "Limestone - crude or roughly trimmed..."

12/09/2007, 11:34 PM	#40
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	Not once did they express any interest in looking in the boxes, or even looking AT the boxes. (which were piled right to the roof of the car each time) That was my experience, anyway. There's no telling how any particular border control person will behave. Maybe I was lucky. I carried with me as much info as I could on TBS...about the company...about the history of the live rock business...I was prepared to spend hours explaining the entire thing to anyone who wanted to know...but no one was interested.

12/10/2007, 11:41 AM	#43
Timbor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 554	Yeah, It should be viewed differently, since it is cultured, as far as I know there is no protocol in place to exempt "cultured" species. If there were, then I assume Richard would be able to ship to Canada no problem. As it stands, one would need all the right permits to ship to Canada, despite the fact that the rock is cultured. Hence why TBS has decided not to ship internationally. But hey, I would be all for some sort of exemption for cultured live rock that contains stony corals. The main question though, is how do you police the cultivators? How do you certify whether an unscrupulous dealer has cultivated rock or "borrowed" some from elsewhere in order to increase supply/quality? Kinda off topic, but good to discuss! Tim __________________ "I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is; while you're in midair you still hit those brakes... Hey, better try the emergency brake! - J.H." Current Tank Info: None currently

12/10/2007, 06:00 PM	#44
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	...and yet you can go to any aquarium shop and purchase live rock that has entered the country from all over the place. Is any of this LR aquacultured? I don't think so. So my conclusion was that the more environmentally responsible product can't officially come into the country, yet it is OK to bring in stuff they rip from the reefs in Vaanuatu or Fiji.

12/10/2007, 06:15 PM	#45
Timbor Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 554	Agreed! Hopefully in the future they will change the legislation to make the hobby a bit more reef-friendly in this regard. __________________ "I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is; while you're in midair you still hit those brakes... Hey, better try the emergency brake! - J.H." Current Tank Info: None currently

12/30/2007, 12:17 PM	#46
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	http://brads-aquarium.viewnetcam.com:50000

12/30/2007, 12:54 PM	#47
chriscobb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,169	Very cool setup!!!!!

01/24/2008, 10:05 AM	#49
conjuay Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Baja Georgia (Florida) Posts: 131	ever ID that one coral? I spent my entire lunch break trying to find out if that mystery Gorgonian was ever named. I also ended up with one in my TBS rock and believed it hadn't survived. We left it sit in the tank because it looked so interesting, even though it was "DEAD". It took two months, but I'm seeing little pink polyps! It LIVES!!!! Was anyone able to ID it?

01/25/2008, 10:08 AM	#50
Untamed12 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,799	Somebody identified that coral on my tank build thread....but as that thread is now 45+ pages long, I can't find the reference! Mine died back to the rock due to attack by hair algae. It is now regrowing. I expect it might be a few years before it reaches the size it was.