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03/07/2009, 06:17 PM | #1 |
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Plans for a 55gal sump/refugium
Im turning my current 55 into a sump/refugium for my 180 that is being setup currently.
This is a 20 long that I had set up for my 55. Will the same basic design be good for a 55? I think there might be a few little things I might tweak. Just curious if anyone else had some pics of 55 gal sump/refugiums. See if im in the right ball park. |
03/07/2009, 06:25 PM | #2 |
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i personally like the idea of having the return pump in the middle and splitting your drain to the fuge and skimmer areas. will baffles between the skimmer-->return area
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03/07/2009, 06:28 PM | #3 |
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Hmm, got any pics or diagrams of that?
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03/07/2009, 08:40 PM | #4 |
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here's my 55 sump/refugium that I run on my 120
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Look at this, and then look at yours, the solution will be obvious. In this sump, the skimmer to the left, the refugium to the right, return in the center. HTH, Jim |
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Why do you have a bubble trap coming out of your refugium and not out of your skimmer section? Regards, Jim |
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SO do you have one return going into the skimmer section and the other going into the refugium section?
Why no baffles coming out of the refugium section? Im a tad confused on the layout.
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Generally there is no need for a bubble trap out of the fuge because it is generally a lower flow and bubbles are not created so they are of no concern.
How a fuge turns into a garbage dump if you split the drain water to feed the fuge. It's real easy: Your drain water is DIRTY. Filled with detritus. The dirty water hits the fuge area that generally has a lower flow. The detritus settles out of the water column IN YOUR FUGE. It sits there and rots and becomes a nitrate factory instead of the nitrate removal mechanism that you had planned your fuge to be. It is better IMO to feed the fuge by T'ing off your return water (the cleanest water possible). Since your skimmer will not remove the nitrates/phosphates from the water it will still be present in your return water. It is the nitrates/phosphates that will be "food" for your fuge - not detritus.
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So that seems kinda odd to me. There would be no real flow through the fuge. Except when you topped off. Doesnt that kinda defeat the purpose of the fuge?
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Huh? What do you mean there would be no flow.
You set up flow through the fuge are either with a small pump/powerhead OR you T off of your return pump to send some water to the fuge area. Yes - you want flow going to the fuge other than topping off. "How" you feed the fuge is up to you and several options are available.
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There is a bubble trap on both sides. The bubble trap on the skimmer side is hidden by the top of the Ca Reactor. Todd |
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hmm, seems Im dont get your layout. It sounded to me as if nothing but top off went into the fuge, which is why im confused.
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thanks coralfragger you saved me a lot of typing.
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All drains from the tank, whether there are 1, 2, or 3, go to the skimmer section. that is the section on the left in my drawing, and what you have labeled as the return section in you photo. Water goes back to the tank from the return section, (obviously) you tee the return line, with a valve, to the fuge. The fuge fills up, and overflows into the return area. A) this way the "cleanest" water flows in your fuge. B) You have better flow control C) add to this coralfraggers comments. And before someone comes up with the all too common: "Doesn't the skimmer skim out the nutrients you need to feed your fuge?" NO it does not. That is not an opinion. Skimming pulls out dissolved organic compounds, not Nitrates, and others, that are not organic compounds, that are assimilated by macro algeas in your fuge, and converted to free Nitrogen by bacteria in low oxygen areas in your system. The statement I made above "the solution will be obvious" means change the fucntions of the sections in your current sump, remove the redundant baffles, and you have "my" design-- actually it is a melev design. http://www.melevsreef.com/allmysumps.html HTH, Jim Last edited by uncleof6; 03/08/2009 at 01:54 PM. |
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i think the only recommendation would be to make. the last baflle going to the refugium a little taller so you can have a deeper sand bed. i split my output from tank to fuge and one to skimmer with sock filters on both ends. it is far from a dump.
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I never have said that anyone's tank would crash or anything like that if they feed their fuge with overflow water. There are always a hundred ways to skin a cat.
Padgett: You are using filter socks on the overflow water which goes to your fuge and if your maintenance program includes frequent cleaning of these socks, then I'm sure your system will be fine (in that respect anyway). In your case, you are manually removing the big organics that could have settled into your fuge before they get a chance to settle out. So you ARE cleaning the water prior to it going into the fuge. The problem arises with those that simply split their overflow water and feed the fuge with the raw water. I just like to lessen the chances of bad things happening as much as I can. I filter sock my incoming water to my sump already. I just think it's easier to feed the fuge with the return water than to set up more filter socks or some other means of filtration just to feed the fuge when the clean water is already there in the return area. BUT - The bottom line: Same goal - we've just taken different roads.
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So bottom line, the same set up I have above on my 20 long, will work in a 55, just modified a bit.
I got my plans from melevsreefs.
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Exactly.
Others: For me, the filter socks are just a plain pita--at either end. What I am seeing here, between the lines, is that people are being blasted with "a pump that flows x gph is all you need not that bigger pump." With that line of thought, you have no room to play with, and far fewer options without getting that bigger pump on top of the too small pump that you where told was all that was needed. Regards, Jim Last edited by uncleof6; 03/08/2009 at 05:02 PM. |
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Thank you all for the advice. Much appriciated.
Now, lets see your sumps.
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Your water level seems too high, doesn't it? make sure you have enough volume left for your overflow when power down
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Mate,i would make a multi level plenum and an algae scrubber over the top of that.
Reduce the skimmer area and place a dry scetion at the start. You will get constant perfect PH,no nitrate,no phosphate and fewer water changes and a failsafe system. The algae scrubbber should be shallow and run it on a mix of t8s run for 16 to 18 hours a day and trim it once a week and a barrier after it. No water probs with these. All,easy as! |
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You got me wanting to make another fuge just like my old one :-/ So in summary since there seems to be a lot of confusion going on, all tank returns > skimmer section > all flow goes through refugium > return section. Just like it appeared to be set up in the original pic.
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