T5 lamp PAR readings - Page 11

hahnmeister · 12/16/2006, 01:05 PM

Well, the reviews are all graphical/pictoral, and Im sure with the Google translation device, you can muddle through.

Bebo77 · 12/16/2006, 01:13 PM

just google this

www.meerwasserforum.com

The Grim Reefer · 12/16/2006, 04:30 PM

It;s actually the .net site I believe but even translated I'll be damned if I can figure out how to register.

grandp10 · 12/16/2006, 09:34 PM

I actually got registered but I only have access to some of the stuff. When I try to go to the ATI posts it only gives the option to log off, actually everything in the lighting and technology will not let me go into it.

pjf · 03/13/2007, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Grim Reefer
A sun or daylight, ATI aquablue and blueplus and UVL super actinic seems to be the way to go.

Grim,

I'm looking at T5 fixtures (ATI?) since T6 bulb & fixture selections are so sparse today. Is the above bulb combination still your recommendation for a 4x54-watt T5HO fixture?

How would you pair these bulbs with the two power cords for a dawn-dusk lighting scheme?

If I decide not to use an actinic bulb, what would you replace the UVL SA with? I prefer a full spectrum of colors with a blue tint.

Thanks!

The Grim Reefer · 03/13/2007, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pjf
Grim,

I'm looking at T5 fixtures (ATI?) since T6 bulb & fixture selections are so sparse today. Is the above bulb combination still your recommendation for a 4x54-watt T5HO fixture?

How would you pair these bulbs with the two power cords for a dawn-dusk lighting scheme?

If I decide not to use an actinic bulb, what would you replace the UVL SA with? I prefer a full spectrum of colors with a blue tint.

Thanks!

That should be a good mix. I had a ATI Sun Pro, ATI Aquablue, ATI Blue Plus, ATI Actinic in a 39 watt power module and it looked pretty good and had a ton of PAR. It was just slightly blue. I would use the Blue Plus and Actinic for dusk/dawn. If you drop the actinic I would get a Blue Plus for a more blue look and a Aquablue for more white.

thriceanangel · 03/13/2007, 01:05 PM

Anyone ever do PAR readings on a T6ho fixture compared to T5HO?

The Grim Reefer · 03/13/2007, 02:04 PM

Something like a Tek fixture will be close lamp for lamp. The high end German fixtures will kill the T6's.

thriceanangel · 03/13/2007, 06:53 PM

So bulb for bulb the T5's are better? I mean if you put T6's in the same fixture, wouldn't they out perform the T5?

The Grim Reefer · 03/13/2007, 07:08 PM

You would lose if you put T6 in most T5 reflectors. Lamp for lamp the Fauna Marin T5 I have right now is way more intense and I have an ATI unit on the way that is supposed to be even better. More intensity with less wattage is hard to beat. I will try to get a reading on a T6 in a reflector vs a T5 once I am set up in the garage for some decent testing.

zachtos · 03/14/2007, 01:59 PM

Can I get a reccomendation on T5 bulb selection for my new 240 gallon tank? I'm setting it up next month (thread coming soon!) 84"Lx28"Wx24"D, the hole in the top is only 76"x18", so I was thinking of both sides having 6-36" T5s, for a total of 12 bulbs all on overdriven icecap660 ballasts (3 of those total, the bulbs will be retrofitted into two wood boxes with glass shield, 2 fans, the ballasts will have some sort of quick disconnect for easy maintenance and removal) This will be an SPS/clam tank for the majority. I personally prefer the 12-14K color temperature and dislike 20K (too blue for me), I prefer good par values on a NEW tank for growth.

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The Grim Reefer · 03/14/2007, 02:43 PM

Front

Blue Plus
Aquablue
GE 6500K
Blue Plus
Aquasun
Blue Plus

That should be bright. Once the tank matures the Aquablue could be changed to super actinic but for initial growth the Aquablue will be the way to go.

thriceanangel · 03/14/2007, 06:43 PM

What makes you say that the T6's are less intense? I have both and I'd have to say that with my naked eye, (I know not really an accurate way of measuring) that the T6 is brighter. Is there any data supporting this?

The Grim Reefer · 03/14/2007, 07:55 PM

PAR meter.

thriceanangel · 03/15/2007, 05:05 AM

What were the values?

joroscoe · 03/15/2007, 06:34 AM

Hi, I am currently planning a canopy for a 29G mostly LPS tank and I want to try a T5 solution. I am looking at two options:
1. Icecap 24" Retrofit: 4-24W T5 HO Fluorescents, or
2. Tek 24" Retrofit: 6-24W T5 HO Fluorescents

The Tek retro is more expensive and appears to produce more light. However, the Icecap comes with that 660 ballast which overdrives, correct? What solution do you think is better?

Additionally, since the canopy is going to be about 30" long, do you suggest staggering the lights? Finally, can you suggest a bulb combo for whichever retro is better? Thank you so very much for helping me, and for helping all of us in general!

The Grim Reefer · 03/15/2007, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thriceanangel
What were the values?

2 Blue and 2 10K VHO T6 and 1 Super Actinic T5 was good for 117 at the sand. 2 Blues, 1 Actinic and 1 Super Actinic in a Fauna Marin T5 fixture is good for 146

The Grim Reefer · 03/15/2007, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by joroscoe
Hi, I am currently planning a canopy for a 29G mostly LPS tank and I want to try a T5 solution. I am looking at two options:
1. Icecap 24" Retrofit: 4-24W T5 HO Fluorescents, or
2. Tek 24" Retrofit: 6-24W T5 HO Fluorescents

The Tek retro is more expensive and appears to produce more light. However, the Icecap comes with that 660 ballast which overdrives, correct? What solution do you think is better?

Additionally, since the canopy is going to be about 30" long, do you suggest staggering the lights? Finally, can you suggest a bulb combo for whichever retro is better? Thank you so very much for helping me, and for helping all of us in general!

Isn't the 29 like 20" tall? Don't need to overdive lamps for that. You need 2 1/2" inches per lamp so you will only fit 4 in there. I would get the Tek retro and maybe upgrade it to IC reflectors. I would run 1 UVL aquasun, 1 Super Actinic, 1 Aquablue and 1 Blue Plus.

hahnmeister · 03/15/2007, 12:22 PM

Reefgeek has the Tek2 reflectors in... I have a couple on the way to see how they are. They are supposed to have a record number of bends/facets, and be made out of a corrosion resistant material like the IC SLRs now. The downside is that they are wider than the Icecaps now.. 2.75" across. Ill post pics when I get mine next week (waiting on back-ordered ATI blue+ bulbs before the order ships).

The Grim Reefer · 03/15/2007, 12:50 PM

I hear they are sorta a mini version of a reef optix reflector. Could be time for Ice Cap to go back to the drawing board

danskim · 03/15/2007, 01:32 PM

Ooh... that sounds pretty impressive.

thriceanangel · 03/15/2007, 03:28 PM

What type of fixture was used for the T6?

The Grim Reefer · 03/15/2007, 05:39 PM

Retrofits with pretty good reflectors and an Ice Cap 660 ballast.

thriceanangel · 03/15/2007, 05:44 PM

Thanks!

markush · 03/16/2007, 02:18 PM

ok guys don't laugh to hard but i need a some help. 90 AGA 48x18x24 with a Nova extreme 8x54 fixture....my budget won't allow for a whole new light setup so i'm stuck with the single reflector Nova. My ultimate goal is clams...is it even possible for me? Even if it isn't i want to at least switch out the bulbs which are the Current 4 daylight and 4 blue. I'd like a look more on the blue side but not excessively so. What would be the best bulb combination for me?

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03/13/2007, 02:04 PM	#258
The Grim Reefer Ready for some NOBALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingman Az Posts: 25,259	Something like a Tek fixture will be close lamp for lamp. The high end German fixtures will kill the T6's. __________________ America, the way it outta be! Current Tank Info: 120 Starphire with Illudium Q-288 Photon Regurgitator DIY LED lighting

03/13/2007, 07:08 PM	#260
The Grim Reefer Ready for some NOBALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingman Az Posts: 25,259	You would lose if you put T6 in most T5 reflectors. Lamp for lamp the Fauna Marin T5 I have right now is way more intense and I have an ATI unit on the way that is supposed to be even better. More intensity with less wattage is hard to beat. I will try to get a reading on a T6 in a reflector vs a T5 once I am set up in the garage for some decent testing. __________________ America, the way it outta be! Current Tank Info: 120 Starphire with Illudium Q-288 Photon Regurgitator DIY LED lighting

03/14/2007, 01:59 PM	#261
zachtos Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,161	Can I get a reccomendation on T5 bulb selection for my new 240 gallon tank? I'm setting it up next month (thread coming soon!) 84"Lx28"Wx24"D, the hole in the top is only 76"x18", so I was thinking of both sides having 6-36" T5s, for a total of 12 bulbs all on overdriven icecap660 ballasts (3 of those total, the bulbs will be retrofitted into two wood boxes with glass shield, 2 fans, the ballasts will have some sort of quick disconnect for easy maintenance and removal) This will be an SPS/clam tank for the majority. I personally prefer the 12-14K color temperature and dislike 20K (too blue for me), I prefer good par values on a NEW tank for growth. 1left 1right 2left 2right 3left 3right 4left 4right 5left 5right 6left 6right __________________ 300G SPS reef build in progress Current Tank Info: 300G reef under construction

12/16/2006, 01:05 PM	#251
hahnmeister Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brew City, WI Posts: 10,156	Well, the reviews are all graphical/pictoral, and Im sure with the Google translation device, you can muddle through.

12/16/2006, 09:34 PM	#254
grandp10 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 516	I actually got registered but I only have access to some of the stuff. When I try to go to the ATI posts it only gives the option to log off, actually everything in the lighting and technology will not let me go into it.

03/13/2007, 01:05 PM	#257
thriceanangel Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Livonia, NY Posts: 1,729	Anyone ever do PAR readings on a T6ho fixture compared to T5HO?

03/13/2007, 06:53 PM	#259
thriceanangel Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Livonia, NY Posts: 1,729	So bulb for bulb the T5's are better? I mean if you put T6's in the same fixture, wouldn't they out perform the T5?

03/14/2007, 02:43 PM	#262
The Grim Reefer Ready for some NOBALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingman Az Posts: 25,259	Front Blue Plus Aquablue GE 6500K Blue Plus Aquasun Blue Plus That should be bright. Once the tank matures the Aquablue could be changed to super actinic but for initial growth the Aquablue will be the way to go. __________________ America, the way it outta be! Current Tank Info: 120 Starphire with Illudium Q-288 Photon Regurgitator DIY LED lighting

03/14/2007, 06:43 PM	#263
thriceanangel Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Livonia, NY Posts: 1,729	What makes you say that the T6's are less intense? I have both and I'd have to say that with my naked eye, (I know not really an accurate way of measuring) that the T6 is brighter. Is there any data supporting this?

03/14/2007, 07:55 PM	#264
The Grim Reefer Ready for some NOBALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingman Az Posts: 25,259	PAR meter. __________________ America, the way it outta be! Current Tank Info: 120 Starphire with Illudium Q-288 Photon Regurgitator DIY LED lighting

03/15/2007, 05:05 AM	#265
thriceanangel Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Livonia, NY Posts: 1,729	What were the values?

03/15/2007, 06:34 AM	#266
joroscoe Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago 60618 Posts: 456	Hi, I am currently planning a canopy for a 29G mostly LPS tank and I want to try a T5 solution. I am looking at two options: 1. Icecap 24" Retrofit: 4-24W T5 HO Fluorescents, or 2. Tek 24" Retrofit: 6-24W T5 HO Fluorescents The Tek retro is more expensive and appears to produce more light. However, the Icecap comes with that 660 ballast which overdrives, correct? What solution do you think is better? Additionally, since the canopy is going to be about 30" long, do you suggest staggering the lights? Finally, can you suggest a bulb combo for whichever retro is better? Thank you so very much for helping me, and for helping all of us in general!

03/15/2007, 12:22 PM	#269
hahnmeister Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brew City, WI Posts: 10,156	Reefgeek has the Tek2 reflectors in... I have a couple on the way to see how they are. They are supposed to have a record number of bends/facets, and be made out of a corrosion resistant material like the IC SLRs now. The downside is that they are wider than the Icecaps now.. 2.75" across. Ill post pics when I get mine next week (waiting on back-ordered ATI blue+ bulbs before the order ships).

03/15/2007, 12:50 PM	#270
The Grim Reefer Ready for some NOBALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingman Az Posts: 25,259	I hear they are sorta a mini version of a reef optix reflector. Could be time for Ice Cap to go back to the drawing board __________________ America, the way it outta be! Current Tank Info: 120 Starphire with Illudium Q-288 Photon Regurgitator DIY LED lighting

03/15/2007, 01:32 PM	#271
danskim Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 1,639	Ooh... that sounds pretty impressive. __________________ Dan The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever. -Jacques Cousteau

03/15/2007, 03:28 PM	#272
thriceanangel Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Livonia, NY Posts: 1,729	What type of fixture was used for the T6?

03/15/2007, 05:39 PM	#273
The Grim Reefer Ready for some NOBALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kingman Az Posts: 25,259	Retrofits with pretty good reflectors and an Ice Cap 660 ballast. __________________ America, the way it outta be! Current Tank Info: 120 Starphire with Illudium Q-288 Photon Regurgitator DIY LED lighting

03/15/2007, 05:44 PM	#274
thriceanangel Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Livonia, NY Posts: 1,729	Thanks!

03/16/2007, 02:18 PM	#275
markush Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 77	ok guys don't laugh to hard but i need a some help. 90 AGA 48x18x24 with a Nova extreme 8x54 fixture....my budget won't allow for a whole new light setup so i'm stuck with the single reflector Nova. My ultimate goal is clams...is it even possible for me? Even if it isn't i want to at least switch out the bulbs which are the Current 4 daylight and 4 blue. I'd like a look more on the blue side but not excessively so. What would be the best bulb combination for me?