help with this ID of this coral

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 11:15 AM

I'm curious what this coral is and finally have the time to post some pics of this coral. It was a hitch hiker on a gorgonian I got a few months ago.

Initially I was told it was a sun coral, but I question that because from what I've been told and read, they usually are not out or open up when the lights are on and this thing just doesn't seem to care. Plus, I have not found any pics of a sun coral that has a base like this one does.

The base seems to wrap around the branch of the gorgonian and the coral moves. Initially it would just spin around on the branch and face diffferent directions. But it also had moved up and down the branch and to other branches.

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 11:16 AM

This is an example of it spun around; if you not from the previuos pictures it was pointing the opposite direction and I couldn't get any clear pics of the front of the coral.

I had moved the gorgonian because it didn't look happy and a short time later this coral dissappeared and I figured it ended up dying because I had moved the gorgonian, but I wasn't sure, I just didn't know what had happened it it.

Then several days later it showed up again on a different gorgonian on the other side of the tank, in the front of the tank in direct light.

In researching this I learned there is a coral called a Dendrophyllia that is similar to a sun coral. I've looked at pics of these as well, but can't tell if what I have is one of them or not.

If anyone has any ideas I would definitely be interested in what I have in my tank.

Thanks!!!

PSam · 03/27/2007, 11:20 AM

Looks like a dendro. Considering it's on a gorgonian, would make sense. Two fer One! Score.

yupyup · 03/27/2007, 11:20 AM

yep...it looks like a dendro.

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PSam
Considering it's on a gorgonian, would make sense. Two fer One! Score.

Why is this? Why is the gorgonian important??

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 11:30 AM

Will this multiply? How does one take care of one(or more) of these?

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 11:31 AM

Anyone know much about gorgonians? I have a question about the one this came on.

PSam · 03/27/2007, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by medic29
Why is this? Why is the gorgonian important??

Because both can be ahermatypic (no zooxanthellae, deeper water / non-reef building). I'm assuming, that since the dendro is on the gorgonian, that the gorg is ahermatypic as well.

Feed them!

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 11:41 AM

Need more info!!! Feed them what? The gorgonian it came on I was told was a "blueberry" gorgonian. It was really cool. In the first couple of pics you can see it was a reddish brown, with these cool blue polyps that would come out. Now this gorgonian is almost completely blue and the reddish brown has dissappeared. I was thinking it was dying, but it appears to be growing; the tips seem longer and are very thin and it just seems bigger. I don't know what made it change.

Like I said previously, the unidentified coral moved to another gorgonian on the other side of the tank that is in the light and has obiviuos tissue on it and its polyps open for feeding.

PSam · 03/27/2007, 11:45 AM

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ides/index.php

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...002/toonen.htm

Pufferpunk · 03/27/2007, 11:53 AM

Is that dendro moving? You need to feed it meaty foods, it's not photosynthetic. It will grow baby polyps from the side.

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 12:24 PM

Should I target feed it mysis shrimp? Will it pick up cyclopeze out of the water column?

SaraB · 03/27/2007, 12:26 PM

Target feedings are the best as you will see it take in the food rather than trying to catch particles that float by. I target feed mine as well.

glassbox-design · 03/27/2007, 12:32 PM

looks like a wrapper gorg anemone to me. They hitch on gorgonians and mimic their polyps. Usually they are on simmilar colored anemones though. Nemanthus annamensis (sp?)

eric

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 12:44 PM

In this picture it looks very much like the base of the item I have.

so....

illcssd · 03/27/2007, 01:32 PM

Copied from your other thread.
Start with
Hormathiidae Nemanthus annamensis
Something along those lines. It is a gorgonian wrapping anemone. Not sun coral or dedro.
from what i read i think they are a pest for gorgonians, as they use them to get food and don't benefit the gorgonian host at all. But in the home aquaria i don't think it will do much harm. It's a pretty little guy ntl and if you can get him to possibly move off the gorgonian i think it is probably an easy anemone to keep as long as it's fed with small foods often.

PSam · 03/27/2007, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flint&Eric
looks like a wrapper gorg anemone to me. They hitch on gorgonians and mimic their polyps. Usually they are on simmilar colored anemones though. Nemanthus annamensis (sp?)

nice one! bad for the gorg? did it kill that tissue, or can it only adhere to dead tissue?

cschweitzer · 03/27/2007, 02:54 PM

Almost surely killed the tissue...That's what anems do.

glassbox-design · 03/27/2007, 04:13 PM

I'm not sure about how strong of a sting they have. Even if they do sting the gorg, I'd keep him. Unique little anemone. Maybe ask someone like fenner or borneman.

eric

medic29 · 03/27/2007, 04:38 PM

How do I get a hold of them??

glassbox-design · 03/27/2007, 04:41 PM

try wetwebmedia, fenner's website.

hth,

eric

Pufferpunk · 03/27/2007, 04:45 PM

You can contact him at crew@wetwebmedia.com

medic29 · 03/30/2007, 02:20 PM

If anyone is interested in this puppy, send me a PM and let me know!!!

03/27/2007, 11:15 AM	#1
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	help with this ID of this coral I'm curious what this coral is and finally have the time to post some pics of this coral. It was a hitch hiker on a gorgonian I got a few months ago. Initially I was told it was a sun coral, but I question that because from what I've been told and read, they usually are not out or open up when the lights are on and this thing just doesn't seem to care. Plus, I have not found any pics of a sun coral that has a base like this one does. The base seems to wrap around the branch of the gorgonian and the coral moves. Initially it would just spin around on the branch and face diffferent directions. But it also had moved up and down the branch and to other branches. __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 11:16 AM	#2
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	more This is an example of it spun around; if you not from the previuos pictures it was pointing the opposite direction and I couldn't get any clear pics of the front of the coral. I had moved the gorgonian because it didn't look happy and a short time later this coral dissappeared and I figured it ended up dying because I had moved the gorgonian, but I wasn't sure, I just didn't know what had happened it it. Then several days later it showed up again on a different gorgonian on the other side of the tank, in the front of the tank in direct light. In researching this I learned there is a coral called a Dendrophyllia that is similar to a sun coral. I've looked at pics of these as well, but can't tell if what I have is one of them or not. If anyone has any ideas I would definitely be interested in what I have in my tank. Thanks!!! __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 11:20 AM	#3
PSam Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,849	Looks like a dendro. Considering it's on a gorgonian, would make sense. Two fer One! Score. __________________ ..no vemos las cosas como son las vemos como somos nosotros...

03/27/2007, 11:30 AM	#6
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	Will this multiply? How does one take care of one(or more) of these? __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 11:31 AM	#7
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	Anyone know much about gorgonians? I have a question about the one this came on. __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 11:20 AM	#4
yupyup Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Elgin Posts: 45	yep...it looks like a dendro.

03/27/2007, 11:41 AM	#9
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	Need more info!!! Feed them what? The gorgonian it came on I was told was a "blueberry" gorgonian. It was really cool. In the first couple of pics you can see it was a reddish brown, with these cool blue polyps that would come out. Now this gorgonian is almost completely blue and the reddish brown has dissappeared. I was thinking it was dying, but it appears to be growing; the tips seem longer and are very thin and it just seems bigger. I don't know what made it change. Like I said previously, the unidentified coral moved to another gorgonian on the other side of the tank that is in the light and has obiviuos tissue on it and its polyps open for feeding. __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 11:45 AM	#10
PSam Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,849	http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ides/index.php http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...002/toonen.htm __________________ ..no vemos las cosas como son las vemos como somos nosotros...

03/27/2007, 11:53 AM	#11
Pufferpunk Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 17,361	Is that dendro moving? You need to feed it meaty foods, it's not photosynthetic. It will grow baby polyps from the side. __________________ "Dosing the ocean, one orange rind at a time....."

03/27/2007, 12:24 PM	#12
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	Should I target feed it mysis shrimp? Will it pick up cyclopeze out of the water column? __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 12:26 PM	#13
SaraB Premium Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hampshire, IL Posts: 3,168	Target feedings are the best as you will see it take in the food rather than trying to catch particles that float by. I target feed mine as well. __________________ Sara Current Tank Info: 109G Rimless Lookdown Now For Sale, 268G w/75G Fuge, 100+G Sump, Sequence Super Dart, H&S A250 Skimmer, Deltec CA & Kalk Reactor & 29G Biocube

03/27/2007, 12:32 PM	#14
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,095	looks like a wrapper gorg anemone to me. They hitch on gorgonians and mimic their polyps. Usually they are on simmilar colored anemones though. Nemanthus annamensis (sp?) eric __________________ eric michael glassbox-design @ red house Current Tank Info: starphire rimless \| VSV \| MH+LED Spots \| Vortech \| ATB External Cone \| Aqua Driver \| Balling Full via Profilux Doser

03/27/2007, 12:44 PM	#15
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	I agree In this picture it looks very much like the base of the item I have. so.... __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 01:32 PM	#16
illcssd Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: vancouver, washington Posts: 1,107	Copied from your other thread. Start with Hormathiidae Nemanthus annamensis Something along those lines. It is a gorgonian wrapping anemone. Not sun coral or dedro. from what i read i think they are a pest for gorgonians, as they use them to get food and don't benefit the gorgonian host at all. But in the home aquaria i don't think it will do much harm. It's a pretty little guy ntl and if you can get him to possibly move off the gorgonian i think it is probably an easy anemone to keep as long as it's fed with small foods often. __________________ --Austin

03/27/2007, 02:54 PM	#18
cschweitzer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UCF area, Orlando, Fl Posts: 3,162	Almost surely killed the tissue...That's what anems do. __________________ Two fish are sitting in a tank...one looks over to the other and says, "I hope you know how to drive this thing!" Current Tank Info: 180G display, AquaC EV180, Solaris G3 72", 2XHydor Koralia4, 3 tangs, 2 rabbitfish, mandarin dragonette, 2 wrasses, pair of cardinalfish; I have 6 other systems up and running also with more clownfish than I know what to do with

03/27/2007, 04:13 PM	#19
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,095	I'm not sure about how strong of a sting they have. Even if they do sting the gorg, I'd keep him. Unique little anemone. Maybe ask someone like fenner or borneman. eric __________________ eric michael glassbox-design @ red house Current Tank Info: starphire rimless \| VSV \| MH+LED Spots \| Vortech \| ATB External Cone \| Aqua Driver \| Balling Full via Profilux Doser

03/27/2007, 04:38 PM	#20
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	How do I get a hold of them?? __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!

03/27/2007, 04:41 PM	#21
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,095	try wetwebmedia, fenner's website. hth, eric __________________ eric michael glassbox-design @ red house Current Tank Info: starphire rimless \| VSV \| MH+LED Spots \| Vortech \| ATB External Cone \| Aqua Driver \| Balling Full via Profilux Doser

03/27/2007, 04:45 PM	#22
Pufferpunk Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 17,361	You can contact him at crew@wetwebmedia.com __________________ "Dosing the ocean, one orange rind at a time....."

03/30/2007, 02:20 PM	#23
medic29 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,979	If anyone is interested in this puppy, send me a PM and let me know!!! __________________ Rick Current Tank Info: 120 gal display with a 40 gal sump, Oct NW200 skimmer, Modded Hydor K4s, not enough live rock, a bunch of live sand; variety of corals including SPS, LPS, Leathers and other various softies & some fish!!