Pond Foam

chopsuey · 07/28/2007, 06:24 PM

Anyone have an idea as to what kind of Pond Foam is being used for this:

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What the name of the product is and where you can get it? By the name of the product I 'assume' that its used for ponds. What is it used for in a pond? Just curious as I want to do this on my new tank. Thanks in advance.

ReefJunkieOK · 07/28/2007, 07:02 PM

I would also like to know about this one.

pdhenderson · 07/28/2007, 08:15 PM

beckett

smcnally · 07/29/2007, 06:54 AM

Here you go http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/...11715/cid/3029

steveo32 · 07/29/2007, 08:05 AM

This foam is used to seal some rocks toget her or its used in hidding things for the pond so that it blends with the natural rock. I used it as my backround on my 180 gal. I'll try and get some pics up tonight. If you go slow with it and take your time you can get a natural look and blend some lr in there. It also picked up coraline pretty quick.

chopsuey · 07/29/2007, 08:52 AM

Right on guys thanks for the help.

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Originally posted by steveo32
This foam is used to seal some rocks toget her or its used in hidding things for the pond so that it blends with the natural rock. I used it as my backround on my 180 gal. I'll try and get some pics up tonight. If you go slow with it and take your time you can get a natural look and blend some lr in there. It also picked up coraline pretty quick.

Can wait to see those pics.

customcolor · 07/29/2007, 04:44 PM

I USED beckett also in my build also with crystal salt on it to give some texture (check out page 2 after clicking my red house). BTW u can get beckett at HD in the out door area by the pond stuff on a shelf. $12 a can

smcnally · 07/29/2007, 08:15 PM

The HDs around me don't seem to carry it. I had to get mine at a local farm store and it wasn't cheap...It took me 2 cans to build this at $18.99 per can. You can see the type I got in the first picture on the right.

customcolor · 07/29/2007, 08:45 PM

that looks good, but how r u going to keep it down in the tank. are u going to put rock ontop or u going to silacone it to the tank?

IPT · 07/30/2007, 01:52 AM

Anything special about this "pond foam", or the great suff regarding reef use? Like does it need to cure a certain time, be sealed, etc? Or, can you just spray it, let it dry and put it into a tank with inhabitants?

smcnally · 07/30/2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by customcolor
that looks good, but how r u going to keep it down in the tank. are u going to put rock ontop or u going to silacone it to the tank?

It will have some rock on it, but not enough to hold it down. I was thinking of filling the PVC legs up with sand and capping them and if that isn't enough weight, then I will silicone the whole unit to the bottom of the tank before I fill it.

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Originally posted by IPT
Anything special about this "pond foam", or the great suff regarding reef use? Like does it need to cure a certain time, be sealed, etc? Or, can you just spray it, let it dry and put it into a tank with inhabitants?

According to the can, it is fully cured in 24 hours. I haven't heard of anyone recommending waiting any longer before putting it in a tank.

customcolor · 07/30/2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IPT
Anything special about this "pond foam", or the great suff regarding reef use? Like does it need to cure a certain time, be sealed, etc? Or, can you just spray it, let it dry and put it into a tank with inhabitants?

the only thing that sucks about pond foam and great stuff is that it floats to well. even though they are the same thing i think its worth paying 3 times the amount for the pond foam cuz it has a more apealing color of black or dark grey. u know not every side gets covered with coraline. so i realy dont think yellow will look good in my tank unless it was a tang.

IPT · 07/30/2007, 06:34 PM

cool, I may use some when I expand my tank. Seems like a good filler, or even to "bond" some rocks more seemlessly and not have P Ties and acrylic dowels everywhere. I do like the look.

32flavors · 08/03/2007, 12:35 PM

Could it be used on the back wall of a tank with LR rubble embedded in it for an in-tank background?

Delta_zeta · 08/06/2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by 32flavors
Could it be used on the back wall of a tank with LR rubble embedded in it for an in-tank background?

I basically did this but rather than putting it directly on the tank I put it on eggcrate and cut it to fit. That way I can remove it if I don't like the look of it in the future. And, this is purely speculative, but because it's on eggcrate and thus there's room for water to flow behind, along with bacteria to grow and some debris to collect, I think I may get some of the benefits of having a plenum almost.

32flavors · 08/06/2007, 12:18 AM

Delta,

Did you put anything else on the fixture to weigh it down or secure it?

Delta_zeta · 08/06/2007, 12:37 AM

In my particular situation I'm not going to have to secure it w/ anything. I cut the eggcrate to fit snugly in place before I put the foam on it. Then I removed the eggcrate from the tank, put the foam over it and let it dry. When it dried, it expanded over the edges of the eggcrate. I then started to slowly cut away the foam and it now fits VERY tightly. I left a little bit of foam around all of the edges and I have to push down pretty firmly to get it all the way back against the back of the tank. But because of the fit I highly doubt I'm going to need anything else to weigh it down.

smcnally · 08/06/2007, 06:40 AM

I siliconed mine in and it seems to be holding well. I put end caps on the PVC legs and then a big glob of silicone on each and let it sit for 2 days before filling the tank. I'm sure it will really suck if I need to pull it out though

I'm really surprised with how real it looks in water...please excuse the cloudy water. Everything was placed in there shorty before the picture was taken.

Delta_zeta · 08/06/2007, 09:21 AM

that actually looks pretty nice. I imagine it'll look amazing once it's covered in coralline

TitusvileSurfer · 08/06/2007, 06:30 PM

Its nice to see that 70 up and running, that just blows my mind.

smcnally · 08/07/2007, 03:57 AM

Thanks guys, I really am liking the way the pond foam looks under water. Here's a picture after the water cleared. I would definitely recommend that anyone that does this spend the extra money on the actual pond foam instead of the "Great-Stuff" because the color looks so much better and you don't have to worry about painting it. I was worried it wouldn't look that well because up close, when not in water, it looks almost like graphite...kind of blackish gray with tiny tiny spots that are almost sparkley. But it looks so much more like real rock when it is in the water.

30mini · 08/07/2007, 06:04 AM

Quick question...did you put the emspon salt in the pond foam right after you covered your structure with it? I'm guessing that the epsom salts is what created the cavities that may be needed for the porosity?
I am setting up a 30 gal work tank, and at the current moment, the 15 that I have has about 20 lbs or so of LR, but I wanted to do this to fill it out a little more. Any harm in doing a little bit, salting it, doing a little more, salting it, finishing it, salting it? Or is that what everyone is doing?

smcnally · 08/12/2007, 10:28 AM

If anyone does what I did, make sure you come up with a plan to anchor it down well. I siliconed mine to the bottom (which held), but the foam let go of the PVC and I came home to this today.

Delta_zeta · 08/12/2007, 10:35 AM

wow, that really stinks. Let us know what you do to resolve it...because I was going to do pretty much the same thing you did.

smcnally · 08/12/2007, 10:36 AM

There's nothing I can do unless I drain the tank. I'll have to replace it with real rock.

07/28/2007, 06:24 PM	#1
chopsuey Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 374	Pond Foam Anyone have an idea as to what kind of Pond Foam is being used for this: [/B][/QUOTE] What the name of the product is and where you can get it? By the name of the product I 'assume' that its used for ponds. What is it used for in a pond? Just curious as I want to do this on my new tank. Thanks in advance.

07/28/2007, 07:02 PM	#2
ReefJunkieOK Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Catoosa, Ok Posts: 367	I would also like to know about this one. __________________ John Current Tank Info: 120 gallon SPS dominated reef. 2x250watt XM 10K MH with 4x110 VHO actinic. 5000g koi pond.

07/28/2007, 08:15 PM	#3
pdhenderson Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: mississauga, ont, canada Posts: 135	beckett __________________ Canadian summers are short, but hockey season is year round!! Current Tank Info: 75 gallon, 20 g sump 20 g fuge, 2x175 w 14000k mh, 50 lbs diy rock 40 lbs lr, 25 lbs aragonite 1" SSB bed, sps dominant

07/29/2007, 04:44 PM	#7
customcolor Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: kaukauna, wi. Posts: 3,879	I USED beckett also in my build also with crystal salt on it to give some texture (check out page 2 after clicking my red house). BTW u can get beckett at HD in the out door area by the pond stuff on a shelf. $12 a can __________________ PLEASE DONT USE GREAT STUFF (THE YELLOW STUFF) IN YOUR TANK........USE POND FOAM (THE BLACK STUFF).. I BEG YOU! Great stuff====$5 a can 24-48 hour cure Epoxy to cover it====little as $5 for small projects or up to $100+ for larger projects and another 24-48 hour cure I hope you covered it well cuz if you didnt it will start to break down in a few months sand is another added cost to cover up the yellow. Pond foams====$9-$15 a can 24-48 hour cure DONE! You can cover it with sand if you want to (YOU DONT HAVE TO) though but thats added cost again Current Tank Info: 75 gal under way

07/29/2007, 08:45 PM	#9
customcolor Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: kaukauna, wi. Posts: 3,879	that looks good, but how r u going to keep it down in the tank. are u going to put rock ontop or u going to silacone it to the tank? __________________ PLEASE DONT USE GREAT STUFF (THE YELLOW STUFF) IN YOUR TANK........USE POND FOAM (THE BLACK STUFF).. I BEG YOU! Great stuff====$5 a can 24-48 hour cure Epoxy to cover it====little as $5 for small projects or up to $100+ for larger projects and another 24-48 hour cure I hope you covered it well cuz if you didnt it will start to break down in a few months sand is another added cost to cover up the yellow. Pond foams====$9-$15 a can 24-48 hour cure DONE! You can cover it with sand if you want to (YOU DONT HAVE TO) though but thats added cost again Current Tank Info: 75 gal under way

07/29/2007, 06:54 AM	#4
smcnally Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 1,181	Here you go http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/...11715/cid/3029

07/29/2007, 08:05 AM	#5
steveo32 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: new york Posts: 344	This foam is used to seal some rocks toget her or its used in hidding things for the pond so that it blends with the natural rock. I used it as my backround on my 180 gal. I'll try and get some pics up tonight. If you go slow with it and take your time you can get a natural look and blend some lr in there. It also picked up coraline pretty quick.

07/29/2007, 08:15 PM	#8
smcnally Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 1,181	The HDs around me don't seem to carry it. I had to get mine at a local farm store and it wasn't cheap...It took me 2 cans to build this at $18.99 per can. You can see the type I got in the first picture on the right.

07/30/2007, 01:52 AM	#10
IPT Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 3,197	Anything special about this "pond foam", or the great suff regarding reef use? Like does it need to cure a certain time, be sealed, etc? Or, can you just spray it, let it dry and put it into a tank with inhabitants?

07/30/2007, 06:34 PM	#13
IPT Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 3,197	cool, I may use some when I expand my tank. Seems like a good filler, or even to "bond" some rocks more seemlessly and not have P Ties and acrylic dowels everywhere. I do like the look.

08/03/2007, 12:35 PM	#14
32flavors Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kearney, NE Posts: 456	Could it be used on the back wall of a tank with LR rubble embedded in it for an in-tank background? __________________ Cheree "Inside of me there are 2 dogs. 1 of the dogs is mean & evil. The other is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." "Which dog wins?" "The one I feed the most." Native Amer Current Tank Info: Have had several- nano, 25, 65 & 75. Currently have Evo 13.5 and 40B, both mixed reefs.

08/06/2007, 12:18 AM	#16
32flavors Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kearney, NE Posts: 456	Delta, Did you put anything else on the fixture to weigh it down or secure it? __________________ Cheree "Inside of me there are 2 dogs. 1 of the dogs is mean & evil. The other is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." "Which dog wins?" "The one I feed the most." Native Amer Current Tank Info: Have had several- nano, 25, 65 & 75. Currently have Evo 13.5 and 40B, both mixed reefs.

08/06/2007, 12:37 AM	#17
Delta_zeta Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 560	In my particular situation I'm not going to have to secure it w/ anything. I cut the eggcrate to fit snugly in place before I put the foam on it. Then I removed the eggcrate from the tank, put the foam over it and let it dry. When it dried, it expanded over the edges of the eggcrate. I then started to slowly cut away the foam and it now fits VERY tightly. I left a little bit of foam around all of the edges and I have to push down pretty firmly to get it all the way back against the back of the tank. But because of the fit I highly doubt I'm going to need anything else to weigh it down.

08/06/2007, 06:40 AM	#18
smcnally Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 1,181	I siliconed mine in and it seems to be holding well. I put end caps on the PVC legs and then a big glob of silicone on each and let it sit for 2 days before filling the tank. I'm sure it will really suck if I need to pull it out though I'm really surprised with how real it looks in water...please excuse the cloudy water. Everything was placed in there shorty before the picture was taken.

08/06/2007, 09:21 AM	#19
Delta_zeta Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 560	that actually looks pretty nice. I imagine it'll look amazing once it's covered in coralline

08/06/2007, 06:30 PM	#20
TitusvileSurfer Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Titusville, FL Posts: 3,227	Its nice to see that 70 up and running, that just blows my mind. __________________ The ocean is the pinnacle of reef tanks. Someone up there is keeping up with his PH and Phosphates to.

08/07/2007, 03:57 AM	#21
smcnally Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 1,181	Thanks guys, I really am liking the way the pond foam looks under water. Here's a picture after the water cleared. I would definitely recommend that anyone that does this spend the extra money on the actual pond foam instead of the "Great-Stuff" because the color looks so much better and you don't have to worry about painting it. I was worried it wouldn't look that well because up close, when not in water, it looks almost like graphite...kind of blackish gray with tiny tiny spots that are almost sparkley. But it looks so much more like real rock when it is in the water.

08/07/2007, 06:04 AM	#22
30mini Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cincinnati, Oh Posts: 10,773	Quick question...did you put the emspon salt in the pond foam right after you covered your structure with it? I'm guessing that the epsom salts is what created the cavities that may be needed for the porosity? I am setting up a 30 gal work tank, and at the current moment, the 15 that I have has about 20 lbs or so of LR, but I wanted to do this to fill it out a little more. Any harm in doing a little bit, salting it, doing a little more, salting it, finishing it, salting it? Or is that what everyone is doing? __________________ Click the red house for my aqua notes page. Username: guest, password: 1234 Current Tank Info: 24x24x18 SPS reef

08/12/2007, 10:28 AM	#23
smcnally Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 1,181	If anyone does what I did, make sure you come up with a plan to anchor it down well. I siliconed mine to the bottom (which held), but the foam let go of the PVC and I came home to this today.

08/12/2007, 10:35 AM	#24
Delta_zeta Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 560	wow, that really stinks. Let us know what you do to resolve it...because I was going to do pretty much the same thing you did.

08/12/2007, 10:36 AM	#25
smcnally Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 1,181	There's nothing I can do unless I drain the tank. I'll have to replace it with real rock.