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01/23/2006, 02:02 PM | #1 |
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Amphiprion ocellaris variegata - "Snowflake" Ocellaris Clownfish
Here's a picture of what I found (I don't know how to insert it into the post):
"Snowflake" Ocellaris ClownfishPair I wanted to start this forum to talk about these rare amazing fish, their husbandry, breeding, and anatomical reasons for variegation. To start this off, I'd like some input from some aquariasts that have or had these. What are these things worth? Are they worth the $450 for the pair that Live Aquaria is selling them for? What are the success rates for breeding? Is it difficult to breed these things? Where do they come from? Why are they so rare? Just start talking about them!
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i think its not as rare as it is breeding for a genetic trait.
when i see rare i think omansis and mcc clowns.
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I'm assuming then that their fry will have that same genetic variegation in their color?
What are those clowns that you mentioned? Any pics?
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http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=305127
above has pictures of the mccolluchi clown and the omansis clown those 2 are the hardest to get ahold of the mcc because they are on the GBR in australia and the omansis because the sultan of oman refuses to let anyone collect fish.
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i talked to the wholesaler and he, said they get 6 pair every 2 or 3 mounths. breed in europ somewhere.
and they are very good looking .. ive seen prices higher. put id like a few pairs of mcc or oman tooo
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Any intrepid breeder could probably produce something like this rather easily.
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They arn't rare or special. IMO they are just junk geneticly inbred fish. Do some basic research, call up ORA, all the information is out there. Look for it.
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What's ORA?
What's an intrepid breeder?
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B. I seriously doubt that they are inbred. C. TMK, the offspring (what you find in the market place) have never spawned. So, where is the inbreeding occurring? D. ORA does NOT breed them, produce them or even sell them. So, calling them will only waste yours and theirs time.
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A. Where did I say anythign about being induced? B/C. How do you think they get morphs like that, they jsut don't spring up out of the ocean like that D. S far I can only find the Picasso ones on ORA's site and their office is currently closed. |
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Wiggawam: if you have this information, would you share it with us? I and others are surely curious... I would trust oama on ORA not having these For Saipin: ORA information can be found here: http://www.orafarm.com/clownfish.html Quote:
As far as I know, these are currently being produced in England by TMC: http://www.tmc-ltd.co.uk/index.htm and are available through quality marine (thus their availability through LA -Matt |
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When suggesting ORA as a source the poster may have the seen this page below...posted as picasso
http://www.orafarm.com/newspecies.html
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B/C. As a matter of FACT, these morphs can and DO just spring from the ocean. Case in point, ORA Picasso clownfish are F1 from a Wild Caught male A. percula that is pictured on their website. He is mated to a WC female A. percula that boarders on being "onyx". (Hopefully, no one will accuse "Onyx Percula" as being inbred). D. This thread, if you look at the title, is about "Snowflake" Ocellaris clownfish. Not "Picasso" A. percula clownfish. Two different species, as well as two different variants. I think I know what I have in my hatchery and what I am producing.
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PS How do you "Induce" a fish... |
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Wiggawam no one is picking a fight. Just a healthy debate and no need to get out of line with oama. It is ok when corrected. If these fish were being bred why arent they flooded all over the net. Id have a pair by now if they were that easy to get. But honestly facts are always more reliable and correct than an opinion. |
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this i just my opinion. but wiggawam, u are a rude idiot.
let me run down to petco and grab some snowflake clowns. some of those ones with 3 eyes and 2 tails . lol ora dose not produce these snowflake clowns , so y call them about it. duuu but realy these dude in here have bin doing this for a long time and know what they are talking about . good luck trying to learn about clown fish . ps it all ways good to be nice to the people that could help and teach u. ps i have a pair of those , juck snow flakes and they are the best junk i ever had
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Yes, but even the intrepid breeder would need to have fish with the trait(s) from the beginning...somewhere to start from...the production of more fish is actually the easy part (I understand genetics too, but as Oama will say, clownfish don't always follow the rules
If selecting for the trait means buying a pair, then that can be done too, but it will take time, and I don't believe they've been available long enough to have produced offspring.
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I guess I don't find these things all that special. Are clownfish going to be the next discus or bettas or goldfish? I suppose it's inevitable, but I hope not. I would rather see hybrids of two different species. |
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Dude man, you're hillarious!!! that's cool to hear you got a pair of junk snowflakes. how much did you pay for that junk? Does your junk pair spawn? I love that I started this forum to learn about these interesting var of ocellaris, and I get entertainment at the same time. argue on...
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Oama sorry for being a jackass, it was a rough monday. Hope you understand. |
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We all have bad days.
I was just trying to get the correct information out there to dispell wild speculations.
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Glad you were because I had the wrong information but I stand corrected.
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here they are. i have had them for a few weeks . they take some getting used too. but they are fun. they swimm all over all the time. ,, sorry my pics are so bad. the glass need some cleaning.
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