NEW Tunze 9004 Skimmer- Unboxing and Initial Review - Page 2

Flatlander · 01/30/2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by arc eye

Any updates on performance? I am planning on using one for an ADA 90p build.

Since it appears to skim on the wet side, how long does it take to fill the collection cup?

Mine is running just fine. I can run it dryer or wet. Can make several days on dry. Made almost a week once. I just turned it up to run a more wet skimmate. So far I like and one think that did is eliminate most bubbles from the water exit.

It collects about a 1/2 or a bit more collection cup per day. I dump it once a day but only clean the cup once per week. Seems to be fine. That way, just takes a few secs to take it out and dump it.

Tron_954 · 02/05/2013, 08:04 AM

Would you all recommend I swap my 9002 for this new design?

I find the 9002 inconsistent and the elbow on the airline to pump always clogs

rvitko · 02/05/2013, 10:08 AM

Only if it would fit, the 9002 fits the back compartment of most all in ones, the 9004 does not. In general if the elbow of a 9002 is clogging repeatedly the install is the issue, if it is under a canopy or submerged too deeply saltwater or salty moist air are drawn in and the elbow clogs rapidly, this won't happen when the depth is correct and the skimmer is able to get fresh air that is not so laden with salt and moisture. In general it should be able to go 9-12 months between the elbow clogging, if it clogs more rapidly, I would change up the installation if possible to remedy this.

Tron_954 · 02/05/2013, 10:14 AM

cant be too deep, i have it at the recommended line marker 1/2-3/4" raised past waterline... and i have an open rear chamber, and yes the 9004 can fit... but will it improve my performance... lol. if i can get this elbow working better, i would prefer to stay with the 9002

Tron_954 · 02/05/2013, 10:27 AM

this helps with showing how its setup somewhat... it also has the airline modded, and runs to a C02 scrubber air filter...

Untitled by J.L Photography, on Flickr

rvitko · 02/05/2013, 10:35 AM

That does look fine, I am puzzled by why it would clog so quickly unless the CO2 scrubber is getting moist and some of the media is getting drawn in.

The 9004 is stronger, it uses a needle wheel so the bubbles are finer and more of them. Also it actively surface skims so it draws in a more concentrated protein laden water to begin with compared to the passive diffusion of the 9002 which works more slowly. It does not have an elbow it instead just has an airline nipple on a volute cap for the needlewheel. I am not sure though how it would work with any sort of CO2 scrubber as this might overly restrict the air, it does not have the level of suction that the venturi would have.

Tron_954 · 02/05/2013, 10:57 AM

so in your tunze opinion, would i get stronger skimming from the 9004? keep in mind i have mostly sps... and prefer UNLS

MikeyUU · 02/05/2013, 11:11 AM

Roger, are there any chances of a needlewheel upgrade for the 9002?

rvitko · 02/05/2013, 11:57 AM

The 9002 is a venturi skimmer, air is added after the pump, so the needlewheel would do no good. No change is planned for the 9002.

The 9004 is definitely a stronger skimmer, it reacts faster and will remove more.

E.intheC · 02/05/2013, 12:48 PM

Roger, I'm very interested in this skimmer for my new Solana tank. Do you know if it will fit in the back? Are the magnets easily placed on different sides of the skimmer? Is there a bracket sold in case the magnets don't work? Thanks!

rvitko · 02/05/2013, 02:29 PM

It measures 4.3 by 3.5, the magnets only fit into recesses in the back and cannot be moved to another side. There is no other mounting option.

E.intheC · 02/05/2013, 04:37 PM

Thanks Roger. So the 4.3 inches includes the magnet?

rvitko · 02/05/2013, 05:41 PM

Yes

rhogeo · 04/18/2013, 12:45 PM

does anyone know if the 9004 will fit in the back of a Red Sea Max 130? I know the 9002 will, but wondering if the 9004 will also?

Thanks!

- geoff

rvitko · 04/22/2013, 09:02 AM

Unfortunately, I cannot confirm this, we had one report from France that it fit and one from the US that it did not.

r.d.m · 05/04/2013, 06:21 PM

the 9004 wont fit in the back of the RSM 130,its a few mm too wide

it seems absolutely incredible to me that tunze would supersede a popular skimmer then alienate 90% of their market share by making its replacement too big for most (if not all) the AIO's

Roger,how long is the 9002 going to be available for? we have been told by the Australian wholesaler that its being discontinued,whether this is true or they are trying to get people panic buying i'm not sure,do you have the correct information?

rvitko · 05/06/2013, 09:43 AM

9004 for now is just an additional skimmer in the range, by mid 2014 you will see where it fits in. It was never intended to replace the 9002, though the 9002 will be replaced very soon, by early next year. The replacement for it will be even smaller. All of the older Comline skimmers are being redesigned, the 9004 was just the first one to be finished as it shared a body with many other new products. 9002, 9006, 9011, 9016, 9021 are all being replaced and the replacement will be unveiled at Interzoo 2014 and should be available by fall of 2014 with the 9002 replacement being first and likely available by early 2014.

Orion120 · 06/18/2013, 05:52 AM

Will this fit in the back of a Nuvo 30 gallon? Not impressed with IM's Skimmer as it is loud.

http://innovative-marine.com/nuvo-aq...spec-sheet.pdf

rvitko · 06/18/2013, 08:59 AM

It looks like it could fit if you were able to place it in the intake sections and that is assuming the dotted line (media baskets?) are removable. The skimmer measures 4.3 * 3.5 * 12 and roughly 9" are submerged. It seems it would fit best oriented side ways in the largest compartment. You might try a google search for Nuvo 30 Tunze 9004 and see if anyone has done it and what issues they encountered.

MaximusZA · 06/25/2013, 02:35 AM

Hi guys sorry to hijack this thread, quick question. I would really like to replace my stock skimmer in a boyu TL550 and was wondering if this would fit the back of the boyu with the lid closed? thanks!

MaximusZA

rvitko · 06/25/2013, 09:00 AM

I would either google the tank and skimmer and see if anyone else has done it, or get me the dimensions of the back compartment and we can see how it matches up.

E.intheC · 09/19/2013, 10:50 AM

Any further updates on this skimmer? OP, are you still happy with it?

jameshongth · 10/13/2013, 09:17 PM

Hi Roger,

Can 9004 work fine in 8" water level in the sump?

rvitko · 10/14/2013, 10:35 AM

It must be submerged 8.86-9.65" but 9" is generally the ideal.

jameshongth · 10/18/2013, 06:26 PM

Heard that there are micro-bubbles leaking from the side body of the T9004. Any solution on it?

Hope to get one soon.

02/05/2013, 10:08 AM	#28
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Only if it would fit, the 9002 fits the back compartment of most all in ones, the 9004 does not. In general if the elbow of a 9002 is clogging repeatedly the install is the issue, if it is under a canopy or submerged too deeply saltwater or salty moist air are drawn in and the elbow clogs rapidly, this won't happen when the depth is correct and the skimmer is able to get fresh air that is not so laden with salt and moisture. In general it should be able to go 9-12 months between the elbow clogging, if it clogs more rapidly, I would change up the installation if possible to remedy this. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

02/05/2013, 10:35 AM	#31
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	That does look fine, I am puzzled by why it would clog so quickly unless the CO2 scrubber is getting moist and some of the media is getting drawn in. The 9004 is stronger, it uses a needle wheel so the bubbles are finer and more of them. Also it actively surface skims so it draws in a more concentrated protein laden water to begin with compared to the passive diffusion of the 9002 which works more slowly. It does not have an elbow it instead just has an airline nipple on a volute cap for the needlewheel. I am not sure though how it would work with any sort of CO2 scrubber as this might overly restrict the air, it does not have the level of suction that the venturi would have. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

02/05/2013, 11:57 AM	#34
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	The 9002 is a venturi skimmer, air is added after the pump, so the needlewheel would do no good. No change is planned for the 9002. The 9004 is definitely a stronger skimmer, it reacts faster and will remove more. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

02/05/2013, 12:48 PM	#35
E.intheC Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 5,373	Roger, I'm very interested in this skimmer for my new Solana tank. Do you know if it will fit in the back? Are the magnets easily placed on different sides of the skimmer? Is there a bracket sold in case the magnets don't work? Thanks! __________________ -Eric

02/05/2013, 02:29 PM	#36
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	It measures 4.3 by 3.5, the magnets only fit into recesses in the back and cannot be moved to another side. There is no other mounting option. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

02/05/2013, 08:04 AM	#27
Tron_954 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 940	Would you all recommend I swap my 9002 for this new design? I find the 9002 inconsistent and the elbow on the airline to pump always clogs

02/05/2013, 10:14 AM	#29
Tron_954 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 940	cant be too deep, i have it at the recommended line marker 1/2-3/4" raised past waterline... and i have an open rear chamber, and yes the 9004 can fit... but will it improve my performance... lol. if i can get this elbow working better, i would prefer to stay with the 9002

02/05/2013, 10:27 AM	#30
Tron_954 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 940	this helps with showing how its setup somewhat... it also has the airline modded, and runs to a C02 scrubber air filter... Untitled by J.L Photography, on Flickr

02/05/2013, 10:57 AM	#32
Tron_954 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 940	so in your tunze opinion, would i get stronger skimming from the 9004? keep in mind i have mostly sps... and prefer UNLS

02/05/2013, 11:11 AM	#33
MikeyUU Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Northern California Posts: 45	Roger, are there any chances of a needlewheel upgrade for the 9002?

02/05/2013, 04:37 PM	#37
E.intheC Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 5,373	Thanks Roger. So the 4.3 inches includes the magnet? __________________ -Eric

02/05/2013, 05:41 PM	#38
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Yes __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

04/18/2013, 12:45 PM	#39
rhogeo Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9	9004 does anyone know if the 9004 will fit in the back of a Red Sea Max 130? I know the 9002 will, but wondering if the 9004 will also? Thanks! - geoff

04/22/2013, 09:02 AM	#40
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	Unfortunately, I cannot confirm this, we had one report from France that it fit and one from the US that it did not. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

05/04/2013, 06:21 PM	#41
r.d.m Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 97	the 9004 wont fit in the back of the RSM 130,its a few mm too wide it seems absolutely incredible to me that tunze would supersede a popular skimmer then alienate 90% of their market share by making its replacement too big for most (if not all) the AIO's Roger,how long is the 9002 going to be available for? we have been told by the Australian wholesaler that its being discontinued,whether this is true or they are trying to get people panic buying i'm not sure,do you have the correct information?

05/06/2013, 09:43 AM	#42
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	9004 for now is just an additional skimmer in the range, by mid 2014 you will see where it fits in. It was never intended to replace the 9002, though the 9002 will be replaced very soon, by early next year. The replacement for it will be even smaller. All of the older Comline skimmers are being redesigned, the 9004 was just the first one to be finished as it shared a body with many other new products. 9002, 9006, 9011, 9016, 9021 are all being replaced and the replacement will be unveiled at Interzoo 2014 and should be available by fall of 2014 with the 9002 replacement being first and likely available by early 2014. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

06/18/2013, 05:52 AM	#43
Orion120 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 80	Will this fit in the back of a Nuvo 30 gallon? Not impressed with IM's Skimmer as it is loud. http://innovative-marine.com/nuvo-aq...spec-sheet.pdf

06/18/2013, 08:59 AM	#44
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	It looks like it could fit if you were able to place it in the intake sections and that is assuming the dotted line (media baskets?) are removable. The skimmer measures 4.3 * 3.5 * 12 and roughly 9" are submerged. It seems it would fit best oriented side ways in the largest compartment. You might try a google search for Nuvo 30 Tunze 9004 and see if anyone has done it and what issues they encountered. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

06/25/2013, 02:35 AM	#45
MaximusZA Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 1	Hi guys sorry to hijack this thread, quick question. I would really like to replace my stock skimmer in a boyu TL550 and was wondering if this would fit the back of the boyu with the lid closed? thanks! MaximusZA

06/25/2013, 09:00 AM	#46
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	I would either google the tank and skimmer and see if anyone else has done it, or get me the dimensions of the back compartment and we can see how it matches up. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

09/19/2013, 10:50 AM	#47
E.intheC Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 5,373	Any further updates on this skimmer? OP, are you still happy with it? __________________ -Eric

10/13/2013, 09:17 PM	#48
jameshongth Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ASIA Posts: 461	Hi Roger, Can 9004 work fine in 8" water level in the sump?

10/14/2013, 10:35 AM	#49
rvitko RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Austin Texas USA Posts: 35,785	It must be submerged 8.86-9.65" but 9" is generally the ideal. __________________ Roger Vitko Tunze USA "He's for every one of us, stands for every one of us, he'll save every man, woman and child in a mighty Flash!" Current Tank Info: 210 gallon planted tank with Altum Angelfish

10/18/2013, 06:26 PM	#50
jameshongth Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ASIA Posts: 461	Heard that there are micro-bubbles leaking from the side body of the T9004. Any solution on it? Hope to get one soon.