Bout time...

hahnmeister · 11/05/2006, 11:25 PM

Its about time someone did an article on the Ilyanassa obsoleta. My hats off to Mike Greenemeier for it.

Now someone just needs to do one on the bumblebee snail... that little whelk bugger is peddled by too many LFS's and online retailers as a detrivore. Well, the only thing its trying to find under the sand is a snail or two to eat.

greenbean36191 · 11/06/2006, 11:34 AM

Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'd been planning to write about this for about 3 years, but didn't get around to putting it into article form until recently.

Now I'm just waiting for the backlash from the vendors and collectors.

FWIW, I do agree with you about the bumblebee snails, but I don't think there is enough to write about them to justify an entire article.

hahnmeister · 11/06/2006, 11:59 AM

perhaps if someone did a study to catch them in the act... but I get what you mean. Its a simple species reclassification, not alot to say about it.

MiddletonMark · 11/06/2006, 06:41 PM

Nice article, glad to see you writing

nacre · 11/07/2006, 03:16 PM

Mike, great article! I did my master's thesis on Ilyanassa and you're dead on target.

Skipper · 11/07/2006, 06:50 PM

Heya Mike. Never realized you were greenbean here on RC. Pleasant surprise...

Agu · 11/07/2006, 08:48 PM

Great article

You mentioned the Ebay and other online vendors that collect wild caught Ilyanassa and sell them online. Is there any evidence that these snails are getting sold to retail stores or getting into the distribution chain that also supply vibex ?

IE if I buy snails through my LFS or a major online vendor will I have to confirm the species ?

greenbean36191 · 11/07/2006, 09:38 PM

Thanks for the kind words guys.

I know there are a few retailers selling them, but they don't seem to be nearly as numerous as the Ebay sources and I haven't seen most of them make the same claims about them. All of the retailers I've seen either have them listed as Ilyanassa or at least show a picture of them. As long as you recognize Ilyanassa from a picture you should be ok. I don't think I've heard of anyone who was expecting a species of true Nassarius and actually ended up with Ilyanassa. Of course that's not to say it doesn't happen. Some people just might not notice the difference, so they don't complain.

I have seen them at the LFS as well, but again if you make yourself familiar enough with this species, it's fairly easy not to be fooled.

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Never realized you were greenbean here on RC.

I guessed that by the last email.

dc · 11/07/2006, 09:57 PM

I didn't realize you had a real name.

Jamesurq · 11/08/2006, 12:56 PM

Mad props Mike.

Great article.

nUgZ · 11/10/2006, 08:56 AM

I have a question regarding the trematode flukes that these snails carry. I happen to live in NC and at one of our local club meetings a member brought a large amount of these snails and distributed them to all of us. I was happy to accept and currently have about 50 of them in 3 tanks here at home. After doing a good bit of transfering rock/livestock from tank to tank the past 2 days, I have developed this rash you refer to in the article on almost every finger on the hand I use in the tank. I couldn't sleep for close to an hour last night after waking up at one point because of the extreme itch. My question is if I remove all of these snails, how long will the flukes survive in the tank without the snails as hosts??

greenbean36191 · 11/10/2006, 11:41 AM

Once the cercaria are released from the snail they shouldn't last much longer than a day or two in the tank.

farmer john · 11/17/2006, 02:43 PM

Great article, as in most of the world price will determine which one you"l get NC> lowprice Pacific> high price

Azurel · 12/03/2006, 09:46 AM

Great article!
Thank you for sharing and clearing up things that might other wise go un-noticed.....

brettcollectibles · 09/17/2007, 12:51 PM

where and how could i go about reading this article everyone is talking about?

Jamesurq · 09/17/2007, 03:44 PM

It's an old episode of the reefkeeping magazine. Go to reefkeeping.com and look for past issues. Probably November 2006.

Skipper · 09/17/2007, 07:33 PM

Here's the article:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-11/mg/index.php

inwall75 · 10/06/2007, 10:59 PM

Great article Mike and Brian!!! Thank you very much.

11/05/2006, 11:25 PM	#1
hahnmeister Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brew City, WI Posts: 10,156	Bout time... Its about time someone did an article on the Ilyanassa obsoleta. My hats off to Mike Greenemeier for it. Now someone just needs to do one on the bumblebee snail... that little whelk bugger is peddled by too many LFS's and online retailers as a detrivore. Well, the only thing its trying to find under the sand is a snail or two to eat.

11/06/2006, 11:34 AM	#2
greenbean36191 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 10,598	Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'd been planning to write about this for about 3 years, but didn't get around to putting it into article form until recently. Now I'm just waiting for the backlash from the vendors and collectors. FWIW, I do agree with you about the bumblebee snails, but I don't think there is enough to write about them to justify an entire article. __________________ Some say the sun rises in the East. Some say it rises in the West. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. Current Tank Info: tore them down to move and haven't had the time or money to set them back up

11/06/2006, 06:41 PM	#4
MiddletonMark Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 14,441	Nice article, glad to see you writing __________________ read a lot, think for yourself Current Tank Info: 58g stony reef [250w10k, 250w 20k MH, 2x vho act, Octopus150, 6060 + 6000] ; 60g mixed tub

11/07/2006, 03:16 PM	#5
nacre Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: S. Carolina Posts: 16	Mike, great article! I did my master's thesis on Ilyanassa and you're dead on target. __________________ you mean the water's NOT supposed to be pea-green?? Current Tank Info: 75 gal with tidal creek species; 50 gal reef

11/07/2006, 06:50 PM	#6
Skipper Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 18,271	Heya Mike. Never realized you were greenbean here on RC. Pleasant surprise... __________________ Skip Attix Former Editor of Reefkeeping Magazine

11/06/2006, 11:59 AM	#3
hahnmeister Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brew City, WI Posts: 10,156	perhaps if someone did a study to catch them in the act... but I get what you mean. Its a simple species reclassification, not alot to say about it.

11/07/2006, 08:48 PM	#7
Agu Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 30,279	Great article You mentioned the Ebay and other online vendors that collect wild caught Ilyanassa and sell them online. Is there any evidence that these snails are getting sold to retail stores or getting into the distribution chain that also supply vibex ? IE if I buy snails through my LFS or a major online vendor will I have to confirm the species ? __________________ Less technology , more biology . Current Tank Info: 30 gallon half cube and 5.5, both reef tanks

11/07/2006, 09:57 PM	#9
dc Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wyoming Posts: 44,684	I didn't realize you had a real name. __________________ Debi ~60 Cube~ Why? Because I said so of course. -Sent via Tapatalk Smoke Signals-

11/08/2006, 12:56 PM	#10
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Mad props Mike. Great article.

11/10/2006, 08:56 AM	#11
nUgZ Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NC Posts: 1,566	I have a question regarding the trematode flukes that these snails carry. I happen to live in NC and at one of our local club meetings a member brought a large amount of these snails and distributed them to all of us. I was happy to accept and currently have about 50 of them in 3 tanks here at home. After doing a good bit of transfering rock/livestock from tank to tank the past 2 days, I have developed this rash you refer to in the article on almost every finger on the hand I use in the tank. I couldn't sleep for close to an hour last night after waking up at one point because of the extreme itch. My question is if I remove all of these snails, how long will the flukes survive in the tank without the snails as hosts??

11/10/2006, 11:41 AM	#12
greenbean36191 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 10,598	Once the cercaria are released from the snail they shouldn't last much longer than a day or two in the tank. __________________ Some say the sun rises in the East. Some say it rises in the West. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. Current Tank Info: tore them down to move and haven't had the time or money to set them back up

11/17/2006, 02:43 PM	#13
farmer john Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ct. Posts: 177	Great article, as in most of the world price will determine which one you"l get NC> lowprice Pacific> high price __________________ Trodding through creation in an irie meditation - Hon. Robert Nesta Marley

12/03/2006, 09:46 AM	#14
Azurel Registered Member. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kalamazoo,MI Posts: 2,854	Great article! Thank you for sharing and clearing up things that might other wise go un-noticed..... __________________ Official soldier of the Zoa patrol/ The Zoa Patrol does not exist in public or privet....

09/17/2007, 12:51 PM	#15
brettcollectibles Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: chalmette Posts: 15	where and how could i go about reading this article everyone is talking about? __________________ brettcollectibles Current Tank Info: 800 gal salt reef 96x48x40

09/17/2007, 03:44 PM	#16
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	It's an old episode of the reefkeeping magazine. Go to reefkeeping.com and look for past issues. Probably November 2006.

09/17/2007, 07:33 PM	#17
Skipper Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 18,271	Here's the article: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-11/mg/index.php __________________ Skip Attix Former Editor of Reefkeeping Magazine

10/06/2007, 10:59 PM	#18
inwall75 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,877	Great article Mike and Brian!!! Thank you very much. __________________ Curt If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. Current Tank Info: 7.5g nano, 75g Inwall, 18g nano, 12g nano, 200g prop tank