therapeutic copper

Joe0813 · 10/21/2018, 05:56 PM

will therapeutic copper treatment of 1.5-2.0ppm of copper power still kill ich? and how long can you leave a fish in at that level? I've read a few threads but all I could find is cuppermine

Louis Z · 10/22/2018, 09:05 PM

I am responding so as to give you a bump. I only have used cupramine. Although reading other websites 2.0 is good for ick and chelated copper . Which test kit are u using?

Joe0813 · 10/23/2018, 11:59 AM

I'm using the Hanna high range copper tester

Louis Z · 10/24/2018, 12:24 AM

Some reading http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa164. 3 to 6 weeks is recommendation . I am using the TTM in addition to the copper . So prior to every 3 rd day transfer to a new tank, I dip in FW for 5 min. And keep the copper dosage the same for each new tank . I avoid ammonia toxicity that way in addition to leaving any protomonts or tomonts behind .
. The F W dips are there to dislodge velvet and flukes not the ick . If flukes persist I use Paraguard conc Dip instructions. I try not to mix copper with any other meds . I hate to use formalin but will use that as a dip if needed . I also use General Cure after each new tank transfer if not in copper treatment. Sorry to sound confusing but depending on signs and symptoms, I use a variety of treatment combinations. If the fish are sensitive to copper you can use chloroquine phosphate . I asked about your test kit because that is often an issue depending which copper you are using . Some will not be compatible with the different formulations of copper. But from what I read The Hanna checker can be used regardless of copper formulation. I Have not tried the Hanna unit but it is on my wish list .

Louis Z · 10/24/2018, 02:28 AM

Copper https://agrilifecdn.tamu.edu/fisheri...um-Systems.pdf. Has a lot of info some not directly related

Joe0813 · 10/24/2018, 08:18 PM

thanks for the info... I highly recommend the hanna copper checker... it has been easy to use and is spot on

lagatbezan · 10/25/2018, 01:32 PM

Hanna checker hands down is the best tool to use! makes copper reading extremely easy.
the minimum recommended copper level you want to maintain (for copper power) is 1.5ppm. Its best to shoot for 1.75-2ppm this way you have some wiggle room in case it dips lower you are still protected. I believe 1.04ml/g of copper power will get you close to 1.75PPM.
Minimum treatment should be 30 days. However you can do 14 days if you have another sterile qt that you can setup at least 10' away to transfer the fish to. you need to make sure that the copper levels have been at the therapeutic level for the whole duration of the 14 days and only the fish should be transferred with as little water as possible to prevent cross contamination; nothing from qt1 should be used for qt2.
I personally prefer transferring the fish to a new qt before removing copper since it will protect you in case you are dealing with a strain of ich that has a 30+ day of cyst life cycle.

lagatbezan · 10/25/2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis Z

I Have not tried the Hanna unit but it is on my wish list .

definitely recommend it, I think its one of the best investments I have made to my qt arsenal.

Louis Z · 10/26/2018, 02:52 PM

I am always open to having a secret Santa . I’ll pm the address of my chimney .

Joe0813 · 11/18/2018, 04:53 PM

Quick update: I did 14 days of 2.3ppm of copper power and then did a 16 day of 1.8ppm of copper power in the 75 gallon QT. And then I used a new net to transfer the fish to a 40qt until the DT is fishless for 90 days

HumbleFish · 11/18/2018, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe0813

Quick update: I did 14 days of 2.3ppm of copper power and then did a 16 day of 1.8ppm of copper power in the 75 gallon QT. And then I used a new net to transfer the fish to a 40qt until the DT is fishless for 90 days

FWIW; 14 days of Copper Power @ 1.75ppm, and then transfer to a clean, sterile QT is usually sufficient for ich + velvet.

The therapeutic range for chelated copper is 1.5 - 2.0ppm, so 1.75 is a nice middle point.

Joe0813 · 11/19/2018, 09:17 AM

Ooh I was always under the impression that some eggs might last longer than 14 days so I got nervous

HumbleFish · 11/19/2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe0813

Ooh I was always under the impression that some eggs might last longer than 14 days so I got nervous

Ich tomonts can last up to 72 days (according to one study), but by transferring the fish away from the danger they cannot be reinfected by the free swimmers those tomonts release. However, it is absolutely imperative for the copper level to remain at full therapeutic for the entire time during this 14 day treatment period. You even transfer the fish from full therapeutic copper into another (non-medicated) QT at least 10 feet away. Reuse nothing from QT1 for QT2.

Joe0813 · 11/19/2018, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HumbleFish

Ich tomonts can last up to 72 days (according to one study), but by transferring the fish away from the danger they cannot be reinfected by the free swimmers those tomonts release. However, it is absolutely imperative for the copper level to remain at full therapeutic for the entire time during this 14 day treatment period. You even transfer the fish from full therapeutic copper into another (non-medicated) QT at least 10 feet away. Reuse nothing from QT1 for QT2.

Awesome thanks for clearing that up.

10/21/2018, 05:56 PM	#1
Joe0813 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boston strong Posts: 2,766	therapeutic copper will therapeutic copper treatment of 1.5-2.0ppm of copper power still kill ich? and how long can you leave a fish in at that level? I've read a few threads but all I could find is cuppermine __________________ Joe and Jenny Current Tank Info: 180 reef

10/23/2018, 11:59 AM	#3
Joe0813 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boston strong Posts: 2,766	I'm using the Hanna high range copper tester __________________ Joe and Jenny Current Tank Info: 180 reef

10/24/2018, 08:18 PM	#6
Joe0813 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boston strong Posts: 2,766	thanks for the info... I highly recommend the hanna copper checker... it has been easy to use and is spot on __________________ Joe and Jenny Current Tank Info: 180 reef

10/25/2018, 01:32 PM	#7
lagatbezan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,109	Hanna checker hands down is the best tool to use! makes copper reading extremely easy. the minimum recommended copper level you want to maintain (for copper power) is 1.5ppm. Its best to shoot for 1.75-2ppm this way you have some wiggle room in case it dips lower you are still protected. I believe 1.04ml/g of copper power will get you close to 1.75PPM. Minimum treatment should be 30 days. However you can do 14 days if you have another sterile qt that you can setup at least 10' away to transfer the fish to. you need to make sure that the copper levels have been at the therapeutic level for the whole duration of the 14 days and only the fish should be transferred with as little water as possible to prevent cross contamination; nothing from qt1 should be used for qt2. I personally prefer transferring the fish to a new qt before removing copper since it will protect you in case you are dealing with a strain of ich that has a 30+ day of cyst life cycle. __________________ Ryan. 300g with velocity t4 for return and a Reflo dart on a closed loop, T5 lights & SRO3000 skimmer. Current Tank Info: 300g

11/18/2018, 04:53 PM	#10
Joe0813 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boston strong Posts: 2,766	Quick update: I did 14 days of 2.3ppm of copper power and then did a 16 day of 1.8ppm of copper power in the 75 gallon QT. And then I used a new net to transfer the fish to a 40qt until the DT is fishless for 90 days __________________ Joe and Jenny Current Tank Info: 180 reef

10/22/2018, 09:05 PM	#2
Louis Z Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montgomery Posts: 1,257	I am responding so as to give you a bump. I only have used cupramine. Although reading other websites 2.0 is good for ick and chelated copper . Which test kit are u using?

10/24/2018, 12:24 AM	#4
Louis Z Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montgomery Posts: 1,257	Some reading http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa164. 3 to 6 weeks is recommendation . I am using the TTM in addition to the copper . So prior to every 3 rd day transfer to a new tank, I dip in FW for 5 min. And keep the copper dosage the same for each new tank . I avoid ammonia toxicity that way in addition to leaving any protomonts or tomonts behind . . The F W dips are there to dislodge velvet and flukes not the ick . If flukes persist I use Paraguard conc Dip instructions. I try not to mix copper with any other meds . I hate to use formalin but will use that as a dip if needed . I also use General Cure after each new tank transfer if not in copper treatment. Sorry to sound confusing but depending on signs and symptoms, I use a variety of treatment combinations. If the fish are sensitive to copper you can use chloroquine phosphate . I asked about your test kit because that is often an issue depending which copper you are using . Some will not be compatible with the different formulations of copper. But from what I read The Hanna checker can be used regardless of copper formulation. I Have not tried the Hanna unit but it is on my wish list .

10/24/2018, 02:28 AM	#5
Louis Z Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montgomery Posts: 1,257	Copper https://agrilifecdn.tamu.edu/fisheri...um-Systems.pdf. Has a lot of info some not directly related

10/26/2018, 02:52 PM	#9
Louis Z Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montgomery Posts: 1,257	I am always open to having a secret Santa . I’ll pm the address of my chimney .

11/19/2018, 09:17 AM	#12
Joe0813 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boston strong Posts: 2,766	Ooh I was always under the impression that some eggs might last longer than 14 days so I got nervous __________________ Joe and Jenny Current Tank Info: 180 reef