Lionfish Venom question

saltyj · 02/09/2010, 12:01 PM

I have several spot fin lions and one recently died from not eating and I couldn't find the body for a few days. Last night I saw the yellow tang picking off the remains of it. I know the venom is only in the spines, but will this affect the fish in anyway other than water quality issues?

namxas · 02/09/2010, 12:24 PM

nope...the venom must be injected into the bloodstream/tissue.

sorry about your antenatta...

saltyj · 02/09/2010, 12:53 PM

Greg,
Thanks for the response and the condolences. I have to say it was his own fault though. I have had him for a year and I have two others who acclimated very quickly to frozen and this one would only eat live ghosts and I just didn't have them readily available to keep him going. It is sad, but I tried everything to acclimate him to frozen he was just stubborn.

Brandon1652 · 02/09/2010, 01:51 PM

You mean that a fish that ate live food in the ocean where he was from died because you didn't make food he would eat readily available because it was an inconvenience? Totally his fault, darn fish and their stubbornness.

sanchoy · 02/09/2010, 02:03 PM

i guess the moral of the story is:

If you want a fish that accept frozen. have the lfs feed it for you to see. Most fishes that do not accept frozen at the store will not accept frozen.

saltyj · 02/09/2010, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon1652

You mean that a fish that ate live food in the ocean where he was from died because you didn't make food he would eat readily available because it was an inconvenience? Totally his fault, darn fish and their stubbornness.

Thanks for your 2 cents. I'm sure you're the best fish keeper on the board and have never lost a fish before.

Otherwise my fish are very fat and healthy, but keep up the good work in OK Brandon

FMarini · 02/09/2010, 05:18 PM

saltyJ-
sorry as well.
My experience has been you have to add only weaned new fish into the established group of fish otherwise they will NOT successfully compete. I use the weaning basket concept (see here http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-11/fm/feature/ )

As for venom-- by definition venom must be injected into a tissue to work- lionfish are venomous fish, not poisonous. Poisons by definition are absorbed or ingested

saltyj · 02/09/2010, 07:31 PM

Thanks Frank I had great success with the other two within a month, but this one was just the odd ball I guess. Thanks for the link I'll check it out. I didn't add him to an established community all fish in tank were added at the same time. Any thoughts on why the one was being stubborn. I thought maybe he'd learn from his friends, but no go

Brandon1652 · 02/09/2010, 10:56 PM

I never claimed to be the best fish keeper on the boards, but I do make sure to go out of my way in order to meet the needs of the fish I do have. I am glad that your other fish aren't as stubborn, and as such are very fat and healthy.

02/09/2010, 12:01 PM	#1
saltyj Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 502	Lionfish Venom question I have several spot fin lions and one recently died from not eating and I couldn't find the body for a few days. Last night I saw the yellow tang picking off the remains of it. I know the venom is only in the spines, but will this affect the fish in anyway other than water quality issues?

02/09/2010, 12:24 PM	#2
namxas Things With Stings R Us! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Carson, CA Posts: 5,087	nope...the venom must be injected into the bloodstream/tissue. sorry about your antenatta... __________________ Greg Current Tank Info: too many to describe, but i think the count is up to "lucky 13"!

02/09/2010, 01:51 PM	#4
Brandon1652 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 262	You mean that a fish that ate live food in the ocean where he was from died because you didn't make food he would eat readily available because it was an inconvenience? Totally his fault, darn fish and their stubbornness. __________________ ~Brandon. Current Tank Info: 120 Rimless Reef 36 Column Anemone

02/09/2010, 02:03 PM	#5
sanchoy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Close to the ocean Posts: 1,026	i guess the moral of the story is: If you want a fish that accept frozen. have the lfs feed it for you to see. Most fishes that do not accept frozen at the store will not accept frozen. __________________ 250 gallon.. tangs are the best.. the po po is not. Current Tank Info: 250 reef

02/09/2010, 05:18 PM	#7
FMarini 10 & Over Club Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 5,260	saltyJ- sorry as well. My experience has been you have to add only weaned new fish into the established group of fish otherwise they will NOT successfully compete. I use the weaning basket concept (see here http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-11/fm/feature/ ) As for venom-- by definition venom must be injected into a tissue to work- lionfish are venomous fish, not poisonous. Poisons by definition are absorbed or ingested __________________ Fish die belly-up and float to the surface: its their way of falling- Andre Gide

02/09/2010, 12:53 PM	#3
saltyj Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 502	Greg, Thanks for the response and the condolences. I have to say it was his own fault though. I have had him for a year and I have two others who acclimated very quickly to frozen and this one would only eat live ghosts and I just didn't have them readily available to keep him going. It is sad, but I tried everything to acclimate him to frozen he was just stubborn.

02/09/2010, 07:31 PM	#8
saltyj Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 502	Thanks Frank I had great success with the other two within a month, but this one was just the odd ball I guess. Thanks for the link I'll check it out. I didn't add him to an established community all fish in tank were added at the same time. Any thoughts on why the one was being stubborn. I thought maybe he'd learn from his friends, but no go

02/09/2010, 10:56 PM	#9
Brandon1652 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 262	I never claimed to be the best fish keeper on the boards, but I do make sure to go out of my way in order to meet the needs of the fish I do have. I am glad that your other fish aren't as stubborn, and as such are very fat and healthy. __________________ ~Brandon. Current Tank Info: 120 Rimless Reef 36 Column Anemone