Adding Fish all at once? - Page 2

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 09:25 AM

Thanks. Ok, I get that they are territorial and I get that they need space. From what I have seen, watchman/pistols hang out in their holes not sure if I am correct on this? Is what I am asking to do impossible? If it is, please tell me instead of beating around the bush.
Green Clown Goby (Gobiodon atrangulatus)
Citrinis Clown Goby (Gobiodon citrinus)
Yellow Watchman Goby/Tiger Pistol
Orange Stripe Prawn Goby/Randal Pistol

With the stock list above, what is the more likely scenario?

Scenario 1:

I add the gobies together and they fight, and keep fighting. They fight until two are dead. I am left with one or two fish.

Scenario 2:
I add the gobies together, and their is maybe some fighting as they establish territory and hierarchy (sort of like my African cichlids). Once hierarchy and territories are established, I have a peaceful tank.

I know there is no definite answer because each fish has a different personality, but was just wondering what is the most likely scenario.

tjm9331 · 09/15/2017, 10:18 AM

I don't have any experience with gobies but I think the most likely scenario would be they fight a bit to establish territories and then go about their business.

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 11:41 AM

I know gobies are territorial, and I know they need their space.

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 11:48 AM

What I am wondering is, which scenario is more likely with the stocking below:

Green Clown Goby (Gobiodon atrangulatus)
Citrinis Clown Goby (Gobiodon citrinus)
Yellow Watchman Goby/Tiger Pistol
Orange Stripe Prawn Goby/Randal Pistol

Scenario 1: I add the fish, the gobies are too territorial and end up pestering and killing each other until there are only maybe one or two fish left.

Scenarion 2: I add the fish, there is maybe some fighting over territory and hierarchy (sort of like my African cichlids), but once this is over I have a peaceful tank.

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 11:49 AM

I know that there is no definite answer since each fish has its own personality, but was hoping to figure out the more likely scenario

tjm9331 · 09/15/2017, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tjm9331

I don't have any experience with gobies but I think the most likely scenario would be they fight a bit to establish territories and then go about their business.

I thought I was giving you the most likely scenario...perhaps I should have just said Scenario 2

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 02:15 PM

tjm9331, sorry about that. It told me that the post had failed. I didn't to say it twice. Again, sorry about that. I think I will try this stock list. I was going to introduce a clean up crew in a short while because my tank finally cycled. I was thinking 2-3 weeks with CUC and then add the gobies. Would this be good? Also, LA has a good track record right? I was going to order everything from them.

heathlindner25 · 09/15/2017, 02:43 PM

Imo ,one of the pistol shrimp will definitely kill the other .....If money was on it the tiger will win ,And the watchman goby will probably take out the orange stripe.hth

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 03:25 PM

Even if added small, and together?

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 03:40 PM

I have doing some research on the pistols and what I have found is they usually guard their burrows. Is this true or am I getting misinformed? Are the yellow watchmen that aggressive? I know they are crabby but LA says that they are peaceful (I know it says they might fight with their own kind, (assuming that means other yellow watchmen), but will be territorial.

mikem101 · 09/15/2017, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shrimpinator123

I have doing some research on the pistols and what I have found is they usually guard their burrows. Is this true or am I getting misinformed? Are the yellow watchmen that aggressive? I know they are crabby but LA says that they are peaceful (I know it says they might fight with their own kind, (assuming that means other yellow watchmen), but will be territorial.

so your wanting to push all the limits with that tiny tank man, What you SHOULD keep is a 1 pistol shrimp and 1 watchmen goby with a clown goby and thats really it! ANYTHING more than that you are pushing it and its probably a bad idea. If you want more fish and more inverts that simply start with a bigger tank! i that small of a tank you are VERY limited to stock!

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 07:09 PM

Look, I am 13. Sorry to make you so mad. I think I will just do what you said. It is not like I can just go buy something huge. I am thinking about maybe go up to a 50 gal in the future.

shrimpinator123 · 09/15/2017, 10:35 PM

Would this guy be okay in a newly set up tank?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/divers-de.../hasselts-goby

WYA123 · 09/16/2017, 03:24 AM

Oh hello, I am 13 too. From what I have read and seen, the goby pistol pair will guard their burrow, but sometimes they tend to move to another burrowing site and once they do and cross paths, it ain't gonna be pretty. But there is a way(I think this is a possible way) to have two gobies and two pistols and that is to get a mated pair of both species, but you can only have one species of goby and one species of shrimp.

mikem101 · 09/16/2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shrimpinator123

Look, I am 13. Sorry to make you so mad. I think I will just do what you said. It is not like I can just go buy something huge. I am thinking about maybe go up to a 50 gal in the future.

Not getting mad bud, just letting you know that you want to look out for the best interest of the fish ya know. So when you are talking about a smaller tank that you are really limited to fish selection! Start with 2 little fish and some inverts and if you like it and want to do more, couple months a year whatever get a 20 gallon. Then you can add another fish and keep adding from there. Just keep the fish in mind and make sure they are happy not always stressed from over populating your tank!

shrimpinator123 · 09/16/2017, 06:26 PM

Yeah, probably going to be a year or two before I upgrade. Would I be ok with a pair of YWG and a tiger pistol or would that be overstocked? I am guessing I woud take the clown goby out then, if it would work? Thanks for your help.

TangingOut · 09/16/2017, 11:53 PM

I think if you can find a mated pair of ywg with a pistol shrimp plus the clown goby, you should be good there. That's the most I would do.

shrimpinator123 · 09/17/2017, 10:58 AM

I think I want to try the pair. Now just to find a pair of YWG. Is there a place online that sells them?

shrimpinator123 · 09/17/2017, 11:05 AM

Would the clown goby be ok? I really don't want to stress any of the fish out.

shrimpinator123 · 09/17/2017, 11:07 AM

Just wondering because mikem101 said to stick with 2 fish, not sure about adding a third into the mix.

devildog999 · 09/17/2017, 01:20 PM

Check out blue zoo https://www.bluezooaquatics.com/prod...pid=560&cid=18 or live aquaria http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...28&pcatid=3428. Liveaquaria is offering captive bred as well (link I provided) so that's always a good way to go. I would email both of them and ask if you can get a pair and go from there.

shrimpinator123 · 09/17/2017, 02:45 PM

I was thinking about using them, I will try to email them. Could I just order two and let them pair? Was wondering if they could change their sex?

bcb577 · 09/17/2017, 10:33 PM

Not tryi g to discourage you but I ran a 10 gallon standard for 2 years before slighting uograding to a biocube 14.in my 10 gallon I had 2 fish a yellow watchman goby. And 1 clownfish,and I had to religiously keep up with husbandry, its amazing how just the 2 fish were hard let alone 4-5 fish I do wish you luck however id encourage you to consider how the fish will ferl and I think you have done some consideration for the inhabitants,

tjm9331 · 09/18/2017, 06:31 AM

I'll be honest if it were me and I was 13 again, I'd most likely be so itching to get a system up and running that I wouldn't even be asking these questions so first I'd like to give you kudos for checking with this forum first to see what the best course of action is or should be.

As far as your situation goes, if you have the patience I'd actually wait for another Petco $1 per gallon sale, which should be coming soon...I think. That way you can get yourself a nice 20 gallon long for $20 or a even a 40g breeder for $40. I'm willing to bet that most if not all your equipment you have would work with a 20 long. If you get the 40 breeder you might need to upgrade some equipment which may not be in your budget.

But if you're really dead set on getting 4-5 gobies then I'd either wait for the sale and go with a bigger tank or start with the 10 now with say a clown goby and 1 goby/pistol pair and then next spring go up the 20 long and add another clown goby and goby/pistol pair, which was already suggested. If you decide to do that though just make sure that when you upgrade to the new tank that you add all the fish at the same time (existing and new) at the same time so you'll have to have the new fish in quarantine before getting the new tank set up.

shrimpinator123 · 09/18/2017, 12:10 PM

That is what I was going to do. The ultimate goal with saltwater is to upgrade to a 55 to 75 predator tank. The 10 gallon that I finally got cycled (took 7 weeks) is ultimately a trial run. I am trying to make sure I can keep up with the maintenance of a 125 gal African cichlid tank and a saltwater tank (upgrading from a 30 gal cichlid tank to a 125 gal cichlid tank near Christmas). Was hoping I could get a bigger tank off of craigslist. Any guidelines on this? I think I will do a yellow watchmen goby and tiger pistol, and a clown goby. Was wondering if there was a guideline for how many gobies or goby pistol pairs I could have in the size tank mentioned above? Also, how do puffers, lionfish, and pistol shrimp mix? Guessing not good, but wondered if it could work? Sorry for the off topic questions. Thanks for the help!

09/16/2017, 03:24 AM	#39
WYA123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Singapore Posts: 34	Oh hello, I am 13 too. From what I have read and seen, the goby pistol pair will guard their burrow, but sometimes they tend to move to another burrowing site and once they do and cross paths, it ain't gonna be pretty. But there is a way(I think this is a possible way) to have two gobies and two pistols and that is to get a mated pair of both species, but you can only have one species of goby and one species of shrimp. __________________ Fishes are friends, not food, except if you are another fish.

09/18/2017, 06:31 AM	#49
tjm9331 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 340	I'll be honest if it were me and I was 13 again, I'd most likely be so itching to get a system up and running that I wouldn't even be asking these questions so first I'd like to give you kudos for checking with this forum first to see what the best course of action is or should be. As far as your situation goes, if you have the patience I'd actually wait for another Petco $1 per gallon sale, which should be coming soon...I think. That way you can get yourself a nice 20 gallon long for $20 or a even a 40g breeder for $40. I'm willing to bet that most if not all your equipment you have would work with a 20 long. If you get the 40 breeder you might need to upgrade some equipment which may not be in your budget. But if you're really dead set on getting 4-5 gobies then I'd either wait for the sale and go with a bigger tank or start with the 10 now with say a clown goby and 1 goby/pistol pair and then next spring go up the 20 long and add another clown goby and goby/pistol pair, which was already suggested. If you decide to do that though just make sure that when you upgrade to the new tank that you add all the fish at the same time (existing and new) at the same time so you'll have to have the new fish in quarantine before getting the new tank set up. Last edited by tjm9331; 09/18/2017 at 06:38 AM.

09/15/2017, 09:25 AM	#26
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	Thanks. Ok, I get that they are territorial and I get that they need space. From what I have seen, watchman/pistols hang out in their holes not sure if I am correct on this? Is what I am asking to do impossible? If it is, please tell me instead of beating around the bush. Green Clown Goby (Gobiodon atrangulatus) Citrinis Clown Goby (Gobiodon citrinus) Yellow Watchman Goby/Tiger Pistol Orange Stripe Prawn Goby/Randal Pistol With the stock list above, what is the more likely scenario? Scenario 1: I add the gobies together and they fight, and keep fighting. They fight until two are dead. I am left with one or two fish. Scenario 2: I add the gobies together, and their is maybe some fighting as they establish territory and hierarchy (sort of like my African cichlids). Once hierarchy and territories are established, I have a peaceful tank. I know there is no definite answer because each fish has a different personality, but was just wondering what is the most likely scenario.

09/15/2017, 10:18 AM	#27
tjm9331 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 340	I don't have any experience with gobies but I think the most likely scenario would be they fight a bit to establish territories and then go about their business.

09/15/2017, 11:41 AM	#28
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	I know gobies are territorial, and I know they need their space.

09/15/2017, 11:48 AM	#29
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	What I am wondering is, which scenario is more likely with the stocking below: Green Clown Goby (Gobiodon atrangulatus) Citrinis Clown Goby (Gobiodon citrinus) Yellow Watchman Goby/Tiger Pistol Orange Stripe Prawn Goby/Randal Pistol Scenario 1: I add the fish, the gobies are too territorial and end up pestering and killing each other until there are only maybe one or two fish left. Scenarion 2: I add the fish, there is maybe some fighting over territory and hierarchy (sort of like my African cichlids), but once this is over I have a peaceful tank.

09/15/2017, 11:49 AM	#30
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	I know that there is no definite answer since each fish has its own personality, but was hoping to figure out the more likely scenario

09/15/2017, 02:15 PM	#32
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	tjm9331, sorry about that. It told me that the post had failed. I didn't to say it twice. Again, sorry about that. I think I will try this stock list. I was going to introduce a clean up crew in a short while because my tank finally cycled. I was thinking 2-3 weeks with CUC and then add the gobies. Would this be good? Also, LA has a good track record right? I was going to order everything from them.

09/15/2017, 02:43 PM	#33
heathlindner25 Moved On Join Date: May 2012 Location: flowery branch georgia Posts: 3,644	Imo ,one of the pistol shrimp will definitely kill the other .....If money was on it the tiger will win ,And the watchman goby will probably take out the orange stripe.hth

09/15/2017, 03:25 PM	#34
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	Even if added small, and together?

09/15/2017, 03:40 PM	#35
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	I have doing some research on the pistols and what I have found is they usually guard their burrows. Is this true or am I getting misinformed? Are the yellow watchmen that aggressive? I know they are crabby but LA says that they are peaceful (I know it says they might fight with their own kind, (assuming that means other yellow watchmen), but will be territorial.

09/15/2017, 07:09 PM	#37
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	Look, I am 13. Sorry to make you so mad. I think I will just do what you said. It is not like I can just go buy something huge. I am thinking about maybe go up to a 50 gal in the future.

09/15/2017, 10:35 PM	#38
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	Would this guy be okay in a newly set up tank? http://www.liveaquaria.com/divers-de.../hasselts-goby

09/16/2017, 06:26 PM	#41
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	Yeah, probably going to be a year or two before I upgrade. Would I be ok with a pair of YWG and a tiger pistol or would that be overstocked? I am guessing I woud take the clown goby out then, if it would work? Thanks for your help.

09/16/2017, 11:53 PM	#42
TangingOut Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,511	I think if you can find a mated pair of ywg with a pistol shrimp plus the clown goby, you should be good there. That's the most I would do.

09/17/2017, 10:58 AM	#43
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	I think I want to try the pair. Now just to find a pair of YWG. Is there a place online that sells them?

09/17/2017, 11:05 AM	#44
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	Would the clown goby be ok? I really don't want to stress any of the fish out.

09/17/2017, 11:07 AM	#45
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	Just wondering because mikem101 said to stick with 2 fish, not sure about adding a third into the mix.

09/17/2017, 01:20 PM	#46
devildog999 That Guy Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Braunfels, TX Posts: 457	Check out blue zoo https://www.bluezooaquatics.com/prod...pid=560&cid=18 or live aquaria http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...28&pcatid=3428. Liveaquaria is offering captive bred as well (link I provided) so that's always a good way to go. I would email both of them and ask if you can get a pair and go from there.

09/17/2017, 02:45 PM	#47
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	I was thinking about using them, I will try to email them. Could I just order two and let them pair? Was wondering if they could change their sex?

09/17/2017, 10:33 PM	#48
bcb577 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Whitehall ohio Posts: 219	Not tryi g to discourage you but I ran a 10 gallon standard for 2 years before slighting uograding to a biocube 14.in my 10 gallon I had 2 fish a yellow watchman goby. And 1 clownfish,and I had to religiously keep up with husbandry, its amazing how just the 2 fish were hard let alone 4-5 fish I do wish you luck however id encourage you to consider how the fish will ferl and I think you have done some consideration for the inhabitants,

09/18/2017, 12:10 PM	#50
shrimpinator123 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Posts: 189	That is what I was going to do. The ultimate goal with saltwater is to upgrade to a 55 to 75 predator tank. The 10 gallon that I finally got cycled (took 7 weeks) is ultimately a trial run. I am trying to make sure I can keep up with the maintenance of a 125 gal African cichlid tank and a saltwater tank (upgrading from a 30 gal cichlid tank to a 125 gal cichlid tank near Christmas). Was hoping I could get a bigger tank off of craigslist. Any guidelines on this? I think I will do a yellow watchmen goby and tiger pistol, and a clown goby. Was wondering if there was a guideline for how many gobies or goby pistol pairs I could have in the size tank mentioned above? Also, how do puffers, lionfish, and pistol shrimp mix? Guessing not good, but wondered if it could work? Sorry for the off topic questions. Thanks for the help!