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Unread 01/17/2019, 09:50 AM   #1
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What are the best beginner coral to frag?

Hi, I am planning on making my first reef tank. What drawn me to reeffing was the coral more than the fish. Especially seeing elegance coral and bridnest. But, I just don't want to run a successful tank I also want to frag successfully too. I love aspect of conservation to this hobby. So, I want my first coral pieces to be good for fragging as well as being great for beginners.

So, can you give me suggestions please?

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Unread 01/17/2019, 11:28 AM   #2
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Most elegance corals don't survive long in captivity.
LPS frogspawn, hammers, and most of the SPS chain (especially Monti's) are easy to frag and grow well.

Any of the walls or just one big polyp, usually end in both pieces dying, or a stupid looking coral.


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Unread 01/17/2019, 11:31 AM   #3
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Most elegance corals don't survive long in captivity.
LPS frogspawn, hammers, Duncan's and most of the SPS chain is easy to frag.

Any of the walls or LPS (just one big polyp) usually end in both pieces dying.
Yeah I saw a video on Aussie elegance coral. The guy suggested not to frag those cause it take experience he said.

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Yeah I saw a video on Aussie elegance coral. The guy suggested not to frag those cause it take experience he said.

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They quite often just die without being Fragged
They absolutely would die if you cut them


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They quite often just die without being Fragged

They absolutely would die if you cut them
I heard the Indonesian is like that, but I heard the Australian is much hardier.

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yup, I have heard this too.
Don't no, but they all carry a strong sting so combined with poor survival rates, won't work in my DT.

Too bad, very nice colourful coral....


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yup, I have heard this too.
Don't no, but they all carry a strong sting so combined with poor survival rates, won't work in my DT.

Too bad, very nice colourful coral....
I know my friend has this beautiful pink tip one that she just got and warn me about the sting. Another one I am kind of worry about are Zoas cause of the toxin when fragging. Also, what is the difference between Zoas and Palys?

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Unread 01/18/2019, 12:27 AM   #8
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Also what about mushroom corals like ricordea Florida and yuma? I saw a few mushroom fragging videos but not sure about the subspecies?

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mushrooms basically frag themselves. They multiply and then when the rock gets crowded the release into the water column and start growing wherever they land. For this reason, I find them to be kind of invasive. zoanthids and palys are easy, you just set some small pieces of rock rubble beside the growing colony and they will eventually grow onto them.


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mushrooms basically frag themselves. They multiply and then when the rock gets crowded the release into the water column and start growing wherever they land. For this reason, I find them to be kind of invasive. zoanthids and palys are easy, you just set some small pieces of rock rubble beside the growing colony and they will eventually grow onto them.
So, no cutting involved with Zoas and palys?

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So, no cutting involved with Zoas and palys?

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I don't, if they are fast growing ones they will be over on the rock in a week or two. I know people will remove a polyp and glue it to a plug, but I never bothered. I don't really deal in high end zoas to worry about that.


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Leathers are a good choice for beginner fragging.

The large lobed leather in the lower center of this picture was trimmed way back, and the trimmings cut in to cubes.


The mother colony after trimming.


A frag.


The group of frags.



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Oooooo, nice

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How you mount them to plugs

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Some mushrooms that were fragged by slicing into quarters, then allowed to attach to the shell substrate on their own, then the shells glued to frag plugs.




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For the leathers I used a needle and thread. I threaded them on the thread, then glued the ends of the thread to the plugs.



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Amazing! I'm getting ideas what to pick. I already picked what kind of Zoas I wanted to get. (They so pretty even though they could kill me)

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I know my friend has this beautiful pink tip one that she just got and warn me about the sting. Another one I am kind of worry about are Zoas cause of the toxin when fragging. Also, what is the difference between Zoas and Palys?

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It is sometimes difficult to discern the difference but Paly incorporates some substrate in their stalks and are usually slightly longer, they also usually react to feeding opportunities. Where as Zoa is usually shorter stalk, tighter packed, and usually don't react to feedings.

Palys are not dangerous provided you do not boil them, eat them, or get their juice in you eyes or in your bloodstream, then yes, Palytoxin is dangerous to you.

Now if your going to frag palys, take great care or wear gloves and goggles.


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It is sometimes difficult to discern the difference but Paly incorporates some substrate in their stalks and are usually slightly longer, they also usually react to feeding opportunities. Where as Zoa is usually shorter stalk, tighter packed, and usually don't react to feedings.

Palys are not dangerous provided you do not boil them, eat them, or get their juice in you eyes or in your bloodstream, then yes, Palytoxin is dangerous to you.

Now if your going to frag palys, take great care or wear gloves and goggles.
I pick 4 zoa frags that I want. I am probably going to wear pp while handling my coral just incase. But, fragging Zoas someone said just place a rock next to them and they migrate to it. Is there another way?

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I pick 4 zoa frags that I want. I am probably going to wear pp while handling my coral just incase. But, fragging Zoas someone said just place a rock next to them and they migrate to it. Is there another way?

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Cut one polyp at base and crazy glue to plug.


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Thank you

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Be careful when handling Zoa's. they have the second most toxin known to man.


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If you are local to the SF Bay Area, I would be happy to give you some easy corals.
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